Duncan?
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 9, 2008 5:04 PM PST
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The post about the 2010 Free Agency made me realize that a superstar will only come our way through trade and considering all the superstars the one we might have the best chance of getting is Duncan. In my opinion the Spurs are done and will never contend for a championship without getting rid of one of their Big 3. With both Manu and Parker out indefinitely, they are currently quite possibly the worst team in the West. Besides Duncan everyone else on that team is either well past their prime or just not good. I think it is quite likely that this team doesn't make the playoffs, let alone contend for a championship. If I were the Spurs, I would learn from the Kings who are still suffering for not getting rid of Webber while he still had some value. Therefore, I think if we provide enough young talent getting Duncan might be quite possible. I would try something along the lines of Harrington, Jackson, Wright, Randolph, and Belinelli for Duncan and Udoka (It works on the trade machine). Our lineup would be
PG: Monta/Watson/Nelson
SG: Azubuike/Udoka
SF: Maggette/???
PF: Duncan/Hendrix/???
C: Biedrins/Turiaf
The bench looks somewhat weak but we would still have money to sign a solid swingman to back up the SF/PF spots and you know everyone would be knocking on our door to play with a starting lineup like that. Our starting lineup is easily one of the top five in the league with three border line all-stars and one superstar. I think this makes us title contenders for two or three years until Duncan becomes old after which we will return to being mediocre but after so many years of failure that's a tradeoff I am fine with. Don't tell me that starting lineup doesn't make you salivate. Just for comparison see how this matches up with the 2007 champions:
Monta is a quicker version of Parker (though he may have worse court vision) - EQUAL
Azubuike is admittedly not as good Ginobili (though he is probably a better rebounder)- SPURS
Maggette is better offensively than Bowen is defensively - WARRIORS
Duncan=Duncan - EQUAL
Biedrins is easily better than whoever the Spurs started at center - WARRIORS
Bench is probably not as deep as the Spurs - SPURS
All in all, this would be quite a big lineup with excellent rebounding and multiple scoring threats and is about on par with the 2007 Spurs talentwise. I am not saying this will guarantee us a championship but we will most certainly contend and the thought of the Warriors actually contending for a championship even if its only for two years is definitely appealing and is more than we can say about the last few decades. .
OK I am ready for all the comments ripping this as another stupid trade proposal.
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OK I am ready for all the comments ripping this as another stupid trade proposal.
This is another stupid trade proposal.
haha now that's a good one lol
i can’t wait for the next proposal. it’s going to be tough to top this one
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this is one of the best ever,
trade half of our team for tim duncan
one of those crazy trades that makes sense for neither team involved….
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 9, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
some thoughts
-I think the weakest part of your argument is the Duncan=Duncan. Because the Duncan in 2007 is not Duncan today and in the next couple years.
-But, I will say there is some logic to the idea of making a play for Duncan. He is a star player that would give us legit bulk up front. Monta-Duncan-Maggette-Biedrins is the best 4 player combo in the West. But he is not a Dubs-type player. Not a runner, and so that worries me.
-I would be ok with this trade though if we could keep either Randolph or Wright. If that’s the case, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Giving up both seems to be mortgaging the future a bit too much.
Duke grad student missing the Bay but holding it down for the Dubs from afar.
5:46 pm
No: 36
Yes: 3
Apparently, there are 3 people who visit this site that aren’t warriors fans and would like to see them implode with this horrible trade
Thank you, Dubs.
I'll admit it.
I’m one of the three dumbasses (nine now).
Though I’d feel more confident about it if I knew Monta were going to come back 100%.
Monta/Azubuike/Maggette/Biedrins/Duncan … with Turiaf and Udoka coming off the bench, likely supplemented by a cheap, crafty vet or two on board to go after a ring? (Robert Horry, PJ Brown, et al.) Sorry, but I fail to see how that isn’t a championship contender.
There’s no reason the Spurs would ever do it, so from that angle it deserves to be ridiculed, but I’m actually disappointed the margin against is so overwhelming. Two total question marks (Wright + Rudolph), one washout (Belinelli), one crappy vet (TMNT) and one solid vet (Jack) for a 32 year-old franchise player with at least a couple of prime seasons left? Where do I sign?
OBAMA AMABO
Haha
I’ll be honest I didn’t really read the entire post or the poll question. I voted no as a protest to the entire idea.
After reading your comment I actually can’t argue with your reasoning.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
yep,
i might do it for the warriors,
but its so ludircrious that i voted no…
lets trade for tim duncan…. wow….how do you even think of that….
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 9, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
my main concern
is that stupid trade proposals never have ANY meaning to them
and that duncan will only be effective for a few more years.
im also really optimistic on both wright and randolph, so im hoping for the best with them
Thank you, Dubs.
oh, and as your name implies
GO BACK TO SOCAL
these stupid ideas don’t belong here, did u really think the one trade idea would actually have any important impact on any of us? all u’ve done is wasted our time, keep these to urself
Thank you, Dubs.
give me a break
This trade proposal is so ridiculous that it inspired me to finally post a comment.
by annoyingtradeproposal on Nov 9, 2008 5:52 PM PST reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HOW MUCH TIME DID U SPEND ON THIS. THIS IS ABSURD.
honestly?
that’s quite possibly more absurd than the proposal itself.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
lol
this post is hilarious…
we’re talking about Tim Duncan here…. he was willing to take a pay cut so he could help his team… why would the Spurs backstab their rock and foundation for anything?
Im speechless
That leaves Monta and Duncan playing 2 on 5 or something lol
I see the future, and it is Pablo
Er
Azubuike/Maggette/Biedrins would be better than 75% of the 2-3-4 combos in the league.
What am I missing? How is that hypothetical Ws starting lineup not one of the Top 3 in the NBA, with LA’s and Boston’s? The only real question marks would be (a) Monta’s health; (b) the bench; and © whether they could gel in time for the playoffs.
Did Tim Duncan catch ebola today or something? Seriously, help me out here.
OBAMA AMABO
i was exaggerating
By 2010, Duncan will be 34. He wont be worth all that in 2 more years. It will be those 5 and a bunch of rookies on the bench.
I see the future, and it is Pablo
Kevin Garnett will be 34 in two years
He won’t be worth all that, either. You think the Celtics give a rat’s?
OBAMA AMABO
Kevin Garnett will be 34 in two years
Ok, If we got Pierce and Rayray along with Duncan it might work but otherwise we’d have a young tweaked ankle tweener and an older slow big plus an assortment of mediocre’s?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 9, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
"Assortment of mediocres."
Hardy har. Biedrins is currently a 17/14 man. He leads the NBA in rebounding. By PER, he’s the third ranked center in the NBA, after Howard and Shaq. Your irrational hatred of him is comical at this point.
Talent-wise, Monta+Buki+Maggette+Biedrins = Rondo+Allen+Pierce+Perkins. More or less. They might lack the Celtics’ UBUNTU, winning attitude and commitment to D, but man-for-man, they’d have the talent to compete with them.
Realism aside, are you saying you wouldn’t make the proposed trade? If so, your constant whining about JRich and Baron (and Iverson) is even more ridiculous than I imagined. Duncan is worth more than JRich, Baron, and Iverson combined. It’s not even close.
OBAMA AMABO
Your irrational hatred
I don’t have hatred for him , just don’t think he’s as good as you think he is.
Look at tonights game, Sacto out rebounded us by about 10 rebounds . Dris got what? 18? how many did our next highest player get? I bet Sacto had more players splitting the rebounds, Miller, Hawes, Moore, etc. Dris has little competition for rebounds cause our other players are so bad at rebounding , if Dris don’t get them no one will. Put him on another team with a different style of play and his totals might drop? He doesn’t have a strong post up game, can’t shoot as good as the typical high schooler, and plays a lot of hands up planted giant redwood tree defense instead of timing his jumps to meet he ball. He gets good results from his narrow range of skills but he’s no young shaq or dwight howard. or not even a ringless Karl Malone.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 9, 2008 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hatred is overstating it
But I think you’re morbidly obsessed with what he can’t do, and you rarely give him a lick of credit for the what he can do. Your dubious “next highest rebounder” metric sounds very much like the latest of many, may attempts to discredit him. Do you have anything at all to support the relevance of that number"?
AB’s no Shaq or Howard, but he may well be a taller version of Dennis Rodman with a more refined offensive game. Paired with a true post presence like Duncan, he’d be an absolute beast. I mean, he is already a beast, but an AB/Duncan combo up front would guarantee your team about 45-50 wins even with a mediocre 1-2-3.
I didn’t get your answer, Skep — would you support the trade, or are you going all in on Wright and Rudolf?
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 9, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
would you support the trade, or are you going all in on Wright and Rudolf?
I din’t think the trade had any serious chance of happening so I din’t read it all, too many words not enough pictures ;>) But what the hell, An old duncan, Boom, sheed, ronron, that tall skinny shooter guy than used to be on the sonics, and a few more old guys couldn’t be any more painful than watching Bellineli, Rudolf, Kurtz, et al . learning the basics. Hell, I’d even like to have shaq now.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 9, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Rudolf The reindeer?
This whole post didnt seem to be serious. I wouldnt do that trade anyway.
I see the future, and it is Pablo
ok,
thats true that KG won’t be as good as he used to be in 2 years, but by then, he’ll b one small aspect of a complete team system that has more pieces than just him.
if we pulled this trade (which would NEVER happen) then we would solely rely on Duncan to lift us up to the more wins, which he wouldnt be able to do anymore. all he would do is provide some vet leadership and draw some double teams.
Thank you, Dubs.
With both Manu and Parker out indefinitely, they are currently quite possibly the worst team in the West.
i stopped reading after that
Let me reiterate
Let me ask a few questions to make my logic clearer:
Is a line up of Monta/Azubuike/Maggette/Duncan/Biedrins better than what we have now?
Obviously yes so we definitely benefit in the short term.
Long term:
Will Wright ever be as good as Duncan (even a 32 year old Duncan)?
Obviously not
Will Randolph ever be as good as Maggette?
Possibly, but that is a gamble and the chance is much less than 50%.
So what makes everyone think that keeping Wright and Randolph (who would replace Maggette and Duncan in this hypoethical case) will ever lead us to being better than the lineup with the Duncan trade. The two options are basically two to three years of definite title contention followed by mediocrity or two to three years of mediocrity followed by a very small chance of title contention. If we have learned anything from the last 15 years I think it is clear which choice is better.
I will admit that calling the Spurs the worst team in the West without Manu and Parker was probably an exaggeration and the Spurs willingness to give up Duncan despite the team’s seemingly imminent decline is highly debatable but if the Spurs were willing to make the trade I would most definitely make it.
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 9, 2008 8:11 PM PST reply actions
Wright = Sophomore
Marco = Sophomore
AR = Freshman
Are you really serious with this trade proposal? Give em what, 2 years max, to develop them under a coach who sucks at developing players? then trade em?
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
Are you really serious with this trade proposal?
No, I don’t think the Spurs would readily agree to this without them being out of playoff contention come December (which isn’t entirely unlikely) and without some serious sweet talking between Nellie and his buddy Poppovich. But if somebody had postulated the Gasol trade sometime the last year I would have asked them the same thing: “Are you really serious with this trade proposal?” so stranger things have definitely happened. But if the Spurs agree we should do this trade for sure. We need to stop having delusional ideas that somehow two totally unproven youngsters (Wright and Randolph) are going to somehow make us contenders. That strategy hasn’t worked the past the last 15 years has it? If have the chance to contend for a championship, even if it’s for only two or three years, we should pounce on it.
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 9, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
i agree
with pursuing a championship if ever it emerges and the Gasol trade point.
but…i strongly disagree that duncan is the solution to our problem.
we could maybe win a few more games, end the season above .500, and get a legit low post theat, but realize that the dude’s old and we’re giving away wat i consider to be a great portion of our team.
and of course, it would take time for the thin twins to develop, but give them a chance and maybe we’ll have ourselves some type of future
Thank you, Dubs.
but give them a chance and maybe we’ll have ourselves some type of future
Isn’t that what we have been saying the past 15 years? What about Wright and Randolph makes you believe things will change now? Our only departure from mediocrity in recent memory (the We Believe playoff run) was catalyzed by trades (first Baron, then Jack + Al). Boston and Miami both won championships because of trades for dominant big men coming out of their prime. Once again, I know this trade is probably not going to happen unless the Spurs season goes completely down the drain because of injuries and their need to rebuild and cut losses trumps their loyalty to Duncan. But if they are willing, our probability of a championship in the next five years is definitely greater with the trade than without it.
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 9, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
NO
We could also bring back MJ and trade everyone for LBJ but thats not gonna happen and nether is this
by GoldenWarrior988 on Nov 9, 2008 8:28 PM PST reply actions
Foreal
3 Current 3 First Rounders for an aging Duncan and Udoka? This has to be the stupidest trade thread I’ve seen here.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
won't happen, but if it did
whoever’s coaching would be smart enough to change the style for the best player to shine
not sure who’s laughing loudest, but it might be some Spurs’ fans …
I don't really get why everyone is ripping this so bad
Even two years from now, any team with Duncan on it will be a definite playoff team, plus monta, Beans, and maggette, we should at least be a top 3 team in the west. Sure the Spurs probably won’t do it and we probably won’t do it, but so what. All of these proposed trades are 99% unlikely to happen.
Because
this a warriors fansite, and fans like to think about ridiculous trade scenarios. Don’t be a Nazi and ban all posts that aren’t about what exactly you want to hear.
Did u just compare me to a Nazi?
just as u are entitled to ur free opinion, the converse is true also; i’ll express my feelings how i want
but…ive looked beyond the incredulity of this trade and focused on whether or not this team will be successful or not depending on the trade.
dont take these comments the wrong way, theyre not supposed to be mean or anything
Thank you, Dubs.
I hope your being sarcastic! ;)
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by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 10, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'd do it
Duncan right now is guaranteed All-Star or near All-Star production level. I don’t think Wright or Randolph will get close to that. Duncan is better right now than both of them will ever be. And Udoka is a damn good bench player.
I just would hesitate because we have to give up Marco. I love that guy. He’s our next All-Star. Just because he’s a shooter that can’t shoot and he has BUST tattooed on his forehead, doesn’t mean anything to me. Nellie play him!
by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 9, 2008 9:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
any rational person would do it
people dont relize that wright and randolph have done nothing yet!
duncan, 4 championships, 3 mvp’s
the idea is one of the most ridiculuos of all time that we shouldnt spend to much time discussing it….
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 9, 2008 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
stoudemire
it would have to be some kind of package like that for amare not duncan. amare is a prototypical pf for the warriors, and duncan is the opposite.
a revised proposal
I am still not sure why this trade has been met with so much opposition. If it’s because the idea of the Spurs giving up their franchise player seems ludicrous then I can’t say I completely disagree with you. But if the Spurs season is lost by December/January and they’re left with the Big 3 and a bunch of scrubs they might just begin looking at offers for Duncan. Not likely but possible just like the Gasol trade. I can understand opposition on the basis of the plausibility of the trade. However, if the opposition is due to the fact that this wouldn’t benefit the Warriors I am completely befuddled. Counting on youngsters hasn’t worked for 15 years and I doubt Randolph and Wright are going to change that trend. A guaranteed championship contender for two to three years is definitely better than entrusting unproven youngsters like we have been doing for so long. So in case all of you were opposed to the improbable nature of the trade let me rephrase the question.
Would you trade a bulk of our team (eg Jackson, Wright, Randolph, Harrington + scrubs to make salaries match) while maintaining the core (Monta, Biedrins, Maggette) for any dominant big man (dominant = perennial allstar) if given the chance?
If not, refrain from writing unconstructive remarks, and tell me precisely why you think we will have a better chance at winning a championship in the next five years as currently constructed as opposed to with such a trade.
(If your argument is that there is no way we are getting a dominant big man I will point to Garnett, Shaq (to Heat not Suns), and Gasol as acquisitions of big men that were shocking to most and help turn teams from average or below average to champions and finalists.)
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 9, 2008 11:14 PM PST reply actions
garnett, shaq, and gasol
all either wanted out or were forced out. the spurs and duncan aren’t splitting up anytime soon. the spurs aren’t the grizzlies. this is a team that could be out of it this year due to injuries, but next year is still set up fine. so, until i hear duncan demand a trade or manu decide he wants to win a title without him, those comparisons just don’t work.
and of course duncan makes the team better. i wouldn’t argue that the trade is a bad one for the warriors, it’s just an absurd one that will never happen. trade proposals for superstars only make sense if there is a legitimate reason for their team to deal him and if the trade proposed had any shot of being the best one. the spurs aren’t trading duncan for zero all-stars. it won’t happen.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Garnett didn't want out
They had to trade him or risk losing him for nothing. Is it guaranteed that he’d have left? I’d say no. He never officially demanded a trade. Shaq was a “me or Kobe” thing. Gasol… I don’t know. They brought in Navarro to appease him, but the new GM Chris Wallace probably wanted to make it “his team”, so he sold off the long term contracts so he could rebuild and call it his.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
garnett
did request a trade. it had been a long time coming, and the summer he was dealt garnett asked mchale to trade him. i’ve been living in minnesota for a while and remember the fan reaction to it pretty vividly. it was a matter of “god, we’ll miss him, but we can’t blame him for wanting off the sinking ship.” sort of a depressing state of affairs for wolves fans, and it isn’t much better now. though, a lot of them are talking themselves into the kevin love/al jefferson front court, which has its own problems, but at least some people have hope again.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Yeah...
OK, so he asked for a trade… but that was 5 years after everybody else would have demanded one. He asked McHale directly, not through the media. That’s the basketball equivalent of watching your buddy drink himself stupid and finally asking him for the keys after he’s puked on the steering wheel.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
huh
Timmy D isn’t going to leave the spurs. As much I hate them, he is going to retire a Spurs. But as for AR, if he get his pt and develop right, he could be a poorman pippen in 2 yrs. 19, 8, 7, and 1 blk and steal.
by warriorfan4life on Nov 10, 2008 3:13 AM PST reply actions
shaq? iverson?
How about these two trades. The warriors would be unbeatable:
We send Azubuike, Belinelli, Biedrins, Ellis, Harrington, and Jackson to the Pistons for A.I.!
Then…
We send Kurz , Maggette , Morrow, Nelson, Randolph, Turiaf , Watson, Williams , and Wright to the Suns for Shaq!
The 2008-2009 Golden State Warriors would probably go down in history as the greatest team ever. I mean Shaq and Iverson are two of the best players ever, and on the same team…it would be perfect!
by annoyingtradeproposal on Nov 10, 2008 3:37 AM PST reply actions
Shaq and Iverson are two of the best players ever, and on the same team…it would be perfect!
I like it , our personality index would be off the charts
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 10, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, with a lineup of
C – Shaq
PF- Who needs one!
SF- Who needs one!
SG – A.I.
PG- Demarcus Nelson.
Great trade. Unbeatable team.
Haha, i know that was a joke, but could you imagine that. lol. Watching Shaq and AI go against 5 people with a d-leaguer next to them. That would be hilarious to watch.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
Watching Shaq and AI go against 5 people with a d-leaguer next to them. That would be hilarious to watch.
And I’d bring back renaldo major and calert chaney to join in the fun.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 11, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
HAHAHA!
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
by StSaints408 on Nov 11, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Stupid trade, makes no sense....can we move on
269 votes against to 42 for….enough said!
Love democracy!
Also Sleepy……Dris is improving with every game, but he is not yet a BEAST! However from what I have seen of Randolph so far…he could become one VERY quickly!
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OK....
So, leading the league in rebounds and top 40 in scoring (ahead of the beloved JRich) doesn’t qualify someone as a “beast” but being a black hole, jacking up a shot a minute, and taking 20 footers when you can’t make them does? Something doesn’t add up. I think you need to revisit your definition here.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
WOW!!!!!
So I understand the people’s reaction on this trade as it has 0.000000000000000001% chance of happenning and that’s an understatement. But if you just factor the poll question by itself. 86% would not do that trade? WOW!!!! And you guys are riding our front office for not making good basketball decisions????
Let’s look at the PRESENT and what we’re giving up.
Harrington – Good as gone. He’s not likely to be any productive (to the Warriors) from this point on.
BWright and Randolph – They’re in the same category. There will be nights you’ll see them score 13pts 10reb and then they’ll go 2-14 the next. Maybe Wright moreso than Randolph but that’s what we’re gonna get more or less.
So between the three, we replace an inconsistent hardly athletic jump shooting forward for two even more inconsistent but more athletic forwards. The bottom line is BWright and Randolph gives us a different dimension at the PF spot (long, can change shots) but we’ll soon learn that they won’t be much of an improvement THIS SEASON, if any. Harrington is far from being my favorite player but I’ll doubt Hakim Warrick will own his ass all day.
Belinelli – He’s not a game changer by any means especially when you account the fact that even when he’s hitting his shots he’s still not getting the ball. On Popovich’s system he may do wonders when he’s on fire, but on a Nellie system he’s gonna need 3 straight flawless game to get Nellie to pay attention to him and get the other players to forcefeed the ball. In other words, we’re not missing much.
SJax – The only real value we’re losing RIGHT NOW. I can list a lot of things he brings to the table but then you look at the other side and we’re getting Tim Duncan for him. Seriously now, Tim Duncan for SJax?? NO?!?!?!?!
TD — 26pts 11reb 56FG 2.2TO
SJax – 22pts 6ast 38FG 28%3PT 4TO
STILL PRESENT TIME, what it means for the team…
Lineup would probably be Watson or Nelson/Buike/Maggette or Udoka/Duncan/Biedrins. Considering Nellie’s love for iso, I would be so much more comfortable feeding the ball to Duncan then get out of the way than I am for anybody on our current roster. And just think about Duncan and Biedrins sharing the paint, you’re crazy if that doesn’t make you wet your pants. Like Sleepy mentioned, if this were to happen the only real concern is the chemistry factor. But then again, just watch how our current team is playing with all this young guys suddenly getting the bulk of minutes and you’ll realize we’re not missing much. The only thing we’re really taking out is the SJax/Biedrins chemistry. But I’m pretty sure a Duncan/Biedrins one won’t be hard to make.
NOW, what does it mean for the FUTURE….
First, I’ll cater the “BWright and Randolph are so young and sky is the limit for their potential” argument. I’d like you to talk to two groups of people. The first consists of Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, Olowokandi… you know where I’m going, full of potential….and the conversation stopped there. The second group consists of Grant Hill, Allan Houston, Penny Hardaway, Antonio McDyess. Good players but could have been great players if it wasn’t for injuries.
Bottom line is, you’re being reluctant to receive a HOF for a bunch of guys who you have no idea how their career will pan out. Sure they may be greatness in the making but we’re receiving a bonafide Hall of Famer in return. So he’s got 3-4 years left on the tank, I’ll take a ’ship or two he can possibly give within those 3-4 years, or at least an exceptional run in the playoffs than waiting the same amount to realize Randolph is more Tim Thomas than Chris Bosh.
Now, as for the more general “We’re trading away our future” argument. Last I check, Biedrins is only 22yrs old and Monta 23yrs old. That’s a bucket full of future right there. And what’s best? Biedrins is currently averaging 17 and 14 and Monta is only a year, one moped accident removed from a 20pt 5reb 53% shooting season. That means, we already know what they’re capable of, they can already produce even at this age. And just think how much they’ll benefit with a guy like Duncan getting most of the attention. When Duncan hits the end of his contract, Ellis and Biedrins would’ve developed to the fullest.
I don’t know what’s more sad….. that this trade will have no chance of happening or that most of you guys, if in control of the team, would not do it if the opportunity presented.
Nah.
The saddest part is that a totally legit, well-argued, well-spelled diary has been subject to such ridicule. And, as lightz0ut says, that such a meager percentage of us would be excited about a team led by Monta, AB, and Tim Freaking Duncan.
As for the “realism” of the proposal: it’s unrealistic mostly because the Spurs are still a still very good team, with vague championship aspirations once Manu returns. If the Spurs had fallen on Wolves-style hard times, Duncan would be exactly the type of player a team like us, with a solid core, young talent to burn, and soon-to-expire contracts, should try to target.
To say, “maybe if Duncan were 24 rather than 32” is ridiculous. True studs in their mid-20s — Paul, LeBron, Howard, Amare, e.g. — do not come available. It’s preceisely the age 32 — together with the fact that we have real young talent (BW, AR) and two solid vets with soon-to-expire contracts (SJ, AH) — that makes it remotely realistic.
Honestly, amid the sea of silly trade proposals you get on this site, ranging from the utterly inconsequential (Harrington for Marbury, woohoooo!) to the utterly absurd (Harrington for LeBron, woohoooo!) this is one of the very few that stands out. Props from the silent minority, W.G.B.T.S.C.H.
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
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