RECAP: Warriors 98, Kings 115: It’s Garbage Time Baby!
by YaoButtaMing on Nov 9, 2008 10:51 PM PST
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This is what swirls in our players' heads when it comes to defense.
This game could have been seen on an And 1 Mix Tape if you ask me. Why? Because there was no defense played AT ALL (and no crowd?). In fact I'm still a little surprised how the Kings only scored 115 points. I'd hate to think what the final score would have been had we played oh I don't know ... anyone else.
In the end our favorite Warrior's TV announcers said it best tonight on TV:
"Nellie is in full experimental and developmental mode ..."
See why after the jump.
Defense on both ends was mostly about looking at the pretty shot.
The Game
With the start of the fourth quarter, the Warriors were already down 74 to 90. Don't believe for a second that the Kings were playing awesome defense against us, we just didn't make most of our shots. Shooting 41% to the Kings 48% clearly shows what kind of game it was if you didn't get to see it. Our point guard weakness led to a stalled offense (in my mind) which resorted to one on one plays.
The bottom line is that our defense pressed the snooze button tonight. Transition defense, lack of knowing who to guard and most of all our inexperience led to a Kings simple victory tonight. Kevin Martin was a stud. Only playing 31 minutes he scored 27 points making me ask once again "how does this guy always have our number?" Oh that's right ... we don't play defense.
It was a run and gun type of game which is always fun to watch, but as the Kings broke to a double digit lead, Nellie had to experiment and try anything. With Maggette and Harrington out with day to day injuries, aside from Jax, it was under 25 night for the Warriors. We'll get to see the young guys play for better or worse. I'd like to highlight the following:
The Young
It's amazing to think that Beans is only 22. Can you imagine? One of our leaders on the floor with more experience than 85% of the team, he really impressed me tonight. I have to give it to him, in my preview I didn't think he was going to have a good game tonight, but from the get go he was awesome. Beans displayed some sweet dribbling ability with a couple spin moves and aggressive plays that would even make "The Janitor" blush. By his normal standards, he didn't shoot particularly well tonight, so you'd have to see the game to understand how he got his 16 points. Pushing between defenders, Andris was able to attack the basket and create so many more opportunities with putbacks and assists. He ended the night only playing 31 minutes but had 18 rebounds and 2 blocks to go with his 4 assists. I'm beginning to believe he might be a very good player in this league soon enough. If he keeps playing like this, he better watch out because he might be an All-Star sooner than about 99% of us thought.
The Younger
As painful as it is losing, it's somewhat entertaining to watch our young guys play. It's like rooting for your high school JV team. You know all your friends are on it and they have no chance in hell, but you root anyways. You forget about the miss shots and the ugly passes and tripped up plays, because you shout for the one that actually works out of 12 attempts. That's how I feel when I see Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph on the floor. I think to myself, wow we couldn't have drafted anyone better? But then I see them hustle and show some small sign of potential and I get giddy. Both put up respective numbers with 10 and 11 points (on a ton of shots) and Randolph had 7 rebounds to Wright's 4.
Tonight's game also gave us a chance to see Rob Kurz (who?) and Anthony Morrow. 2 players I can't see ever getting back on the floor once Maggette and Harrington are back, but with the loss inevitable, it was fun to watch.
This was an easy pick tonight. If you had a chance to see Beans play the first 5 minutes I think you'd agree. Great game for Andris. Another double double served.
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I had no problems with Nellie playing the young kids. At this point, I’m not looking at wins/losses any more. I’m looking for growth, gelling together, and teamwork. I want to see them trust each other, make plays for each other, instead of trying to force themselves against the other team to score. I want to see them get comfortable with NBA basketball game speed, instead of just practice speed.
I also thought Stephen Jackson got a little better with trusting his teammates. He made a couple of nice looking point guard-like passes, instead of trying to do everything himself.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 9, 2008 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i was there tonight
and i was getting extremely mad at how long kurz was playing. I dont want to beat a dead horse but Marco looked pretty good out there, he hustled, rebounded, had a steal and made some descent shots. I have no problem playing belli, wright, and randolph, but Kurz doesnt need to play that long, ever. And Williams looked pretty good too, maybe not much of a scorer, but he can pass, no doubt about that.
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by drizztismoneybaby on Nov 9, 2008 11:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
know
what that means looks like nellie was trying to show him off to other teams. i think he might of been doing that with all the other players the more i think of it. Like why all of a sudden he played people he would never play and the game was not even that far yet. I think its all for trade bait for harrington like teams wanted to see what else we had and that was it.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 10, 2008 1:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
according to Nellie
“"I liked Rob on the floor a lot," Nelson said. "I know his numbers weren’t real good, (but) there’s a guy who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes and moves it. This was his first game. He probably was a little tight on a couple of his shots, but we know he can make that shot. I felt real good about his performance and his presence on the floor."”
by saintdee on Nov 9, 2008 11:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WTF he likes him and if messed
With other playes he’ll say just because is played well doesn’t mean he’s a good player WTF.
Nellie has dementia or something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by goldenstatewarriors on Nov 10, 2008 1:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well
he is old, and drinks a lot.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 10, 2008 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And likes to spout off...
When are people actually going to reference their memory banks before processing anything Don Nelson says?
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 5:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wretched Kurz
23 minutes
4 points
2 rebounds
0 blocks
0 steals
Wright and Rudolf combined
38 minutes
21 points
11 rebounds
4 blocks
2 steals
Saying Wretched Kurz even gave a “performance” or had a “presence on the floor” is putting it way too generously.
I’m going with 24K’s “Nellie’s old and drinks a lot” explanation.
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I
am guessing nellie plays drinking games like he takes a shot for every bad shot someone makes. somebody gotta check that gatorade if its spiked
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 10, 2008 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i know turiaf is offensively limited but how or why does he only play one minute (and get basically straight zeros across the box score) and rob kurz gets the second most minutes off the bench shooting 1 for 6, four points and only two rebounds?
why does kurz get 22 minutes and turiaf get one?
does kurz even have a roster spot on this team once ellis returns? and EITHER way, why does he get more minutes when his offense was clearly lacking?
i’m actually really disgusted by that quote from nellie. i think we all should expect to see kurz getting about 20+ minutes a game hence forth.
i know nelson has a reputation of being a good defender, but in a game with absolutely no defense, his 24 minutes on the court, six points, two assists and two turns can’t be compensated for by this alleged “defense.”
in only eight minutes williams managed three assists and no turns. and while they both have a lacking offense, from the small minutes i see williams get, and understanding the glaring hole at the one on the warriors, i think williams could stand to move up on the depth chart above kurz and nelson. funny, williams is the only person with a + +/-
granted i did stop watching the game, but i don’t know why morrow doesn’t get some of those “belinelli” minutes when this team can’t hit a jumper – which is about every other quarter. belinelli must get more burn simply so this team doesn’t come across like they’ve wasted another draft pick. granted, belienelli had a decent night. but morrow had a comparable night in comparable minutes. they were actually both 3 for 5 but belinelli got some good rebounds.
by so ill so d0pe on Nov 9, 2008 11:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i mean, wright played the same minutes as kurz and at least got four rebounds and scored ten.
this kurz situation is going to gross me out if he gets serious burn against the t’wolves.
by so ill so d0pe on Nov 9, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kurz
from what i saw he had a lot of open looks but just couldn’t knock em down. Nellie probably liked the way he got himself in position to take open shots and the way he hustled and kept his spacing. but he definitely needs to knock those down to deserve more pt.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 10, 2008 3:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nellie being nellie
people are telling him to “play the young guys” so he plays kurz to prove a point….this is why nellie (even though i love him) has to go. he’s way too stubborn to be effective. and then we lose to griz and kings back to back
right now the 8 man rotation should be
cj watson
azubuike
stax jax
wright
biedrins
& Turiaf, Bellinelli, Randolph coming off the bench
Instead he’s “playing the young guys” and we got Kurz/Nelson/Morrow playing for 58 Min
by cazzuno on Nov 10, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes cause we all know Nellie is famous
for listening to people
by SFzig on Nov 10, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
From reading on this board I thought we’d kill the Kings, the freaking Kings!!! With juggernauts like Belinelli, Brandan Wright, and Anthony Randolph on the floor we should be competing with the Lakers & Celtics! WTF guys? You didn’t tell me these guys sucked.
This is what happens when the youngsters play. End of story. Now, get Al moved, get Corey & Monta back, and let’s actually throw out a real team. Hopefully after a few more games like this people will stop clammoring for Belinelli & co. to get PT.
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 12:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and the poll question isn't fair
It should have a third option: “Our roster only has 6 guys with more than a year of NBA experience, and three of them are injured, so we have to play the youngsters!”
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Old warriors ways
seven man rotation 35-47 record no playoffs, mid first round pick, no experience for the youngsters, another 13 years of misery.Is that what you really want?
by buky on Nov 10, 2008 6:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...
It’s different when you actually have 7 players that are worthy of making the playoffs. Those old “JRich & a bunch of nobodies” lineups don’t count has having 7 real, live NBA players. With Monta, Beans, Jax, and Maggette, we have 4 solid NBA starters. Al is a solid 6th man type, Turiaf and Buke are solid guys coming off the bench. We need a starting caliber big man, Monta to show he can play the point, and we’re set.
What do you want? A perpetually “potential” laded group of rookies who’ll always encourage the fan base but never turn into something while the team is constantly in a rebuilding mode? Is that what you want?
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A perpetually "potential" laded group of rookies who’ll always encourage the fan base
Shouldn’t that be Dis-courage ? Nothing is worse than watching the 30th crop of rookies come in and screw up things all over again. Encouragement is when we finally put together a team like the 07 playoff boys.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 10, 2008 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
… who only made the playoffs by the grace of a totally fluky late-season loss by the Clippers.
And who made the second round thanks to a supremely favorable matchup against an overrated team that was soft when it counted.
If the Clips had beaten the Blazers in that one game, we’d have a totally different impression of that magical ‘07 team. Personally, I want a team that’s bigger, more efficient, and better than than group — a perennial playoff contender that doesn’t have to rely on divine intervention to sneak into the playoffs.
It’s true we might well have been a game or two better last season with JRich starting and Monta coming off the bench. But, like your pet theory that the FO blew up the team out of “fear of being good,” that’s pure conjecture. What we can say with more certainty is that if we hadn’t traded JRich we’d have had to let either Monta or Biedrins walk this offseason. I’m still glad we had the foresight not to let that happen.
Damnit, are we talking about this again? Just when I thought I was out … you pull me back in! Seriously, let it go. It’s like every conversation topic here is an excuse for you to regurgitate the same tired talking points about JRich and the 06/07 team. On any other topic, you’re one of the funniest dudes on the board; on this particular one, you’re a total turd in the punchbowl. Do you have any ideas to improve the the team, or would you rather keep crying over spilt milk? Is there really no expiration date on said spilt milk?
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any ideas to improve the the team,
Get an owner like Cuban or the maloofs who are in it for the sport as well as the money then set the goal of winning at any cost. don’t worry about matchups worry about scores. If big slow players win games then get some.If expensive superstars win games then get some, keep a core of JRich types for heart.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 11, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
I have zero love for the current guys in charge (Cohan/Rowell). I think there’s every chance that, given the opportunity to go for a championship, these clowns would totally flub it. Still, I think (a) the JRich trade was basically a good one; (b) there was a sincere effort to land KG that fell apart because the Celtics simply had a better package to offer (yeah, I’m more inclined to trust JAE than Tim K on this); and © that a long-term deal for BD, given his age, injury history, and body type, was a scary proposition.
Beyond those three things, there’s really not a lot in recent years we could or should have done differently. If you want to devote your posting to finding new ownership for the Ws, that’s totally cool, but yeah, let’s try to look forward rather than back. How do we get Larry Ellison here? Or better yet, how does GSoM all pitch in and buy the team? How fun would it be to sit on the same Board of Directors as me, Atma, Fantasy, JAE, Sam, Olympicmike, DFiB, OptionZero and Coma?
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey yao
what happened to you putting in the hang time vid?! I really think it would be appropriate for this since Reggie Theus Coached the Kings to an awesome Hang Time style win.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 10, 2008 1:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Randolph
So now we know what Nellie meant when he said that he didn’t want Randolph embarrassing himself out there. He has a looong way to go. The kid is barely NBA ready from what i saw tonight. And i know, i know… he needs experience and time to make mistakes and learn blah blah blah. But for all those out there cursing Nellie to get him out on the floor: i hope you realized from that showing that Nellie knows more about where his development currently is than the rest of us.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 10, 2008 3:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother.
They won’t get it until he gets booted from the NBA (see: people still believing in PoB), and even after. Just get it off your chest and move on. Prepare yourself emotionally not to lash out when he has a 14/7 game next week because Maggette is still injured and we still haven’t moved TMNT, so somebody needs to be on the floor and he happens to knock down a shot or two. It’ll happen, there’ll be a few “Randolph is ready!” and “Why doesn’t Nellie play Randolph more?!?!?” threads… just skip past them. For your own good.
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 5:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then there's basically nothing to read on GSOM
DF, props to you trying to hold down the sanity fort, but we’re getting overrun.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 10, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is an irrational discussion, and no
No one cares if he is ready. No one is ever ready when they first get here, but the psychological barrier to play on this level that every rookie needs to overcome. Garnett, Kobe and every other player that got to this league at such an early age needed playtime and expeience to overcome it.
Randolph is going to be a stud in this league, and what is the point of playing if you can’t develop the player that will get us to promise land. When Monta came over he didn’t get any playing time and he had aweful games, games where he could not pull through, but he had his chances. Randolph is a starter caliber and already now it is evident that he is going to be a lot better than Wright. Last year Nellie didn’t play Wright and he is playing Wright and Randolph now because of Al situation and lack of other options. Are we going to playoffs this year? Do you think we going to win championship this year? So why not let Randolph get confident and feel himself in real tough game situations. He is not going to embarrass himself, this is big time, this is NBA and he is a rookie. This is exactly why we lost Webber, old Nellie fits and tandrums and mind games no one cares about.
If Nellie does not play Randolph 25 min per game, and I can already see how he is not going to, since Rob Curtz “The Awful” was playing half damn game, this team is going to waste this season and Randolph will end up on the other team. Well at least I’ll definitely expect him to try to go somewhere else like Webber did.
by farid on Nov 10, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and must be crazy to compare Randolph to POB. Plain nuts.
by farid on Nov 10, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Webber played his rookie season and was a fine player at that
KG/Kobe… they all put up respectable numbers their rookie years and flourished already in their second season. Let’s look at the other side of the coin. Beans. He got no PT in his first year, some PT in his second, a little more in his third, and now he’s playing 35 minutes a night and LEADING THE LEAGUE IN REBOUNDING! There’s no “magic formula” of “player X has to play Y number of minutes or else they’ll suck”. He’ll play more when he’s shown he can handle the responsibility.
And your reading comprehension seems to be pretty poor… I was using the fact that people still expect PoB to flourish, even now, to illustrate that people will be infatuated with any rookie and expect the rookie to succeed as long as they want to believe, irrespective of evidence to the contrary. That is not to say that Randolph is a PoB clone, but he may turn out to be just as ineffective. He may also turn into the Tayshaun Prince/KG combo that people are hoping for, who knows.
If you’re advocating tanking, and playing rookies when you have better players on the bench is definitely tanking, then no thank you. It’s unethical and an insult to the fans who pay to see the games, the advertisers who pay good money for commercial spots, and bad business in general.
"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let me add
for youngsters minutes also come in a sort of strategy of rewards from the coach. you learn the system, know your positioning, stick to the defensive strategy, etc then you get rewarded with more minutes. these are their formative years. if you throw a rookie with a big head into a game because he just deserves it from his potential then you run the risk of nurturing an ego that will get in the way of his development.
i trust Nellie to give rooks not only the minutes they deserve todevelop but also the minutes that they earn on and off the court. not just because they can or can’t play or have truckloads of potential. but young minds and egos need to develop in ways that baptism by fire alone will not teach you. they have to learn lessons that will keep them in the league for longer than just their rookie years.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 10, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no magic formula, however, there’s some indication that Biedrins should have played more earlier. His contribution in limited time his first two years was pretty good. Yes, foul trouble made it hard for him to get extended minutes, but he could have played more.
What does appear reasonably clear is that playing time alone isn’t what makes a player. I think too many people try to justify their own urge to see someone play, largely with mostly blind hope that said player will miraculously be their team’s savior. Waiting to find out when the guy is on the bench is just too much to bear it seems. Whether or not this hope is warranted or is some long shot seems to take a back seat to the desire and reality gets pushed aside in favor of some rationalization that so and so needs to get PT to ‘develop.’
Right now, the savior-elect is Randolph, largely because he’s the new top-draft choice on the block. He’s also immensely talented. But to suggest that he’s “going to be a stud in this league” goes against most probability. Most #14 draft choices don’t become stars. Some do, but usually, there’s a reason someone slips that far. Most guys who didn’t shoot well in college don’t figure it out in the pros. Some do, but usually, they don’t. Most guys who have questionable decision making leading to low shooting percentage and high turnovers don’t figure it out as the competition gets harder. I hope he does become a star. You’d have to give me some real favorable odds for me to take that bet. It’s a long shot proposition based on the comparables.
There’s a word that describes most teams that hitch their wagons to long shot bets.
by jae on Nov 11, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for kicks
FG% of various College frosh
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.390 Allen Iverson (G’town)
.456 Scottie Pippen (CAU)
.458 Magic Johnson (MSU)
.464 Anthony Randolph (LSU)
.487 Dwyane Wade (Mar)*
.534 Michael Jordan (UNC)
.544 Larry Bird (ISU)*
.560 Chris Bosh (GTech)
*age 20
Not saying I’d take even 100:1 odds that AR will ever be mentioned in that group, but I’m not sure why his fg% alone would be such a red flag.
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also:
.473 Kevin Durant (UT)
Probably one of his closest comps, physically. I kinda see AR as Durant with a less deadly J but better rebounding, tighter handles, and better D. (Somewhere, Bill Simmons is pulling his hair out).
I know your low-ish opinion of Durant — if I twisted your arm to choose between him and Randolph, who would you take?
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Durant over Randolph. What Durant did in college suggests that he should be better in the pros. I wasn’t low on him coming out. I’m low on what he’s done so far in the pros which hasn’t been good. It doesn’t look like the early returns on this year are much better than last either.
Randolph’s college line didn’t suggest that he should be a better rebounder, better ball handler or better defender than Durant. It’s possible this is true, but that’s not what the numbers suggest. We also have to consider that Durant’s superior college shooting included far, far more threes. If it was only his FG% but there was evidence that Randolph did other things very, very well, I’d be less concerned. But there isn’t. Wade was a guard who shot much better. Johnson was clearly a superior ball handler who spent much more time on the wing.
by jae on Nov 11, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, Stephen needs the extension
so that he stays focused and keeps it about being a leader. He needs to bring this team along and help make the pieces fit, not be a malcontent.
by belli nellie on Nov 10, 2008 4:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes!!!
That’s the answer, it’s definitely not getting starters healthy and able to contribute. It’s not that we’re playing at least 2 rookies on the floor at all times. No, Jackson needs an extension!
I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 5:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jackson can’t stay focused without an extension, it is only a matter of time before something else derails his focus.
by jae on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wa-wa-warriors
Feels like old times doesnt it? Beaten by the grizzlies and kings in the span of a week (cue the bball ignorants “only 7 games in IDIOT!!!”). At least this time around our youngsters actually have potential to grow and get better, as opposed to trotting out Bimbo Coles & co.
I have just one note for Anthony Randolph: stop shooting jumpers. You’re 6’11. Don’t be the tallest dude on the floor taking top-of-the-key jumpers. You’re 6’11. All of your shots should be around the rim. Take a cue from Beindris and know your limitations. The tallest guy on the floor should never be lauching from long distance.
Ever.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Nov 10, 2008 7:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
With his quickness, he should be driving to the lane the majority of his floor time.
He needs to use his jumper to keep the defense honest, not as his main weapon. Obviously he has handles for a big man and I’d rather take the extra t/o’s than watch him pull consecutive jumpers with 20 on the clock. Something along Biedrins quick post moves would be better as well.
by yocballer on Nov 10, 2008 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
He should run to the post, get position, and use his length/quickness to either beat his guy to the hoop, or raise up for a jump hook. He does have handles, but why? What coach would permit him to waste time dribbling the ball? The only thing hat comes out of that is the awful turnover (I think it was the 3rd qtr) during the Kings game. A big man with handles and a jump shot is just not something the warriors need. We have “jump shooters.” We need bangers. Get the 6’11 guy and put him down there!
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The note for Randolph is one that he didn’t seem to hear last year either. His shot selection wasn’t good in college, hence the poor shooting percentage. He didn’t know his limitations, ergo he performed at a level where he slipped to the bottom of the lottery in a position where it’s real rare to find future stars. It’s also real, real rare for someone without good shot selection decision making to suddenly figure it out. I’d love for him to be the exception, but history doesn’t favor it. History favors him being an immensely talented athlete who never realizes the “potential”.
by jae on Nov 10, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is unfortunate
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Nov 10, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's 19
and you’re writing him off as someone who can’t learn
by believeW on Nov 10, 2008 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and you’re writing him off as someone who can’t learn
If he is good at learning he’d probably have stayed in school another year or two?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 10, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t “written him off.” I’ve looked at what usually happens to guys with his comparables vis a vis the questionable parts of his game coming into the league, vis a vis his draft position. Most guys don’t learn the things that he’s got to learn. Some do, but most don’t. It’s not a good bet that he’ll be a star. It could happen, but it’s not the smart bet. Blindly expecting events with long odds against to happen is poor strategy and poor strategy more often than not doesn’t result in wins. I’m using the information that’s available and concluding that if I had to bet money, I know how I’d bet it because the probabilities suggest one outcome is far more likely than another.
If you’d like to toss your hands up and say, “but we don’t really know what’s going to become of him”, you’re free to do so. You can go all-in with a 9 high. You might win. Can’t say conclusively that you won’t, but it’s not likely. Being smart about what is a good bet and what isn’t is not the same thing as “writing someone off.”
by jae on Nov 11, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so
dirk sucks than? well he does but he the biggest man on the floor and shoots shots. but i know what your saying but if he can play inside and out which i think he got potential to do he would be great but one its to early and 2 i think that would be with another team sadly :(
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 10, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Youngsters
I definitely think we should keep playing Wright a lot, Belli shoud get some minutes since he seems to be improving, and Marcus Wiliams definitely deserves more time. Even Morrow deserves a little time if he can hit threes for us. But Kurz? What a waste of time putting him out there! The guy is gone once Monta is back, but Nelson insists on playing him. WTF!
by Pearlsofwisdom on Nov 10, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I still don’t get why Kurz got 24 minutes of PT and Turiaf got one minute.
by so ill so d0pe on Nov 10, 2008 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is a little weird
Maybe he really is in full tank mode already.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the low low price on Maker’s Mark at Costco recently? It, as much as anything else answers this question.
by jae on Nov 10, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i have not, but this clears a lot of things up.
at least nellie likes some decent whisky.
by so ill so d0pe on Nov 10, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
unless i'm mistaken...?
this is a better start than last year, no?
by believeW on Nov 10, 2008 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you
can say that but it just does not have the same feeling.we went 1 and 6 last year witha team that was trying with the starters they had this team this year is sending out players with 5 mins of nba experience with a 9 pt deficit in the 3rd quarter. i dont know it just sounds strange. Hopefully we will be better but dam our team is making a d league team looks awesome right now :(
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 10, 2008 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya
but if keep seeing beans and brandon control the rim and cover each other’s backs on the tip ins, i think corey, jack, and monta have the skill to make the team better than it was last year. Buke as 6 man is not bad either. if they hang tough for another month, they may still have a shot! (plus the west is looking a bit softer this year)
by believeW on Nov 10, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember there being any hope in the first 6 games last year. It felt to me like it was going to be a long, painful season. Nothing was going right and there was no evidence from past seasons that Jackson would be enough to turn a team around.
by jae on Nov 11, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his is a better start than last year, no?
No, Last year we had hope.( and Boom Dizzle and were waitin for Jax to return)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it again and again
I’ve got no problems with Nellie playing our young guys, we lose games but I’m fine with that. We are headed to the lottery. However, we should play the right young guys. send the D Leaguers to the D League. Take out Kurz XD.
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on Nov 10, 2008 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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