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RECAP: Warriors 129, Heat 130 - That One Hurt. Not Gonna Lie.

 

Oh man. That was no good for anyone involved. There aren't very many times where I end up thinking, "Damn, I wish they had just blown us away instead" but this might be one of them. Tonight the Warriors interspersed random moments of good basketball with the appropriate amount of mediocrity, allowing us to gift wrap and hand this much needed win away at the last second. Of overtime.

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth..

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Even D-Wade was disgusted by how we blew this game.

Sure, I've seen the Warriors play worse than this. But any game that finds us in the lead with 13 seconds left in an overtime that we should have never been in, only to blow it all up by allowing a miracle 3 pointer, turning over the ball, and fouling a shot with 3 seconds left is...

Well. It's about as bad as it gets. Hey is that a cliff? JUMP!

Star-divide

This game came down to one major fatal flaw. Rebounding. I can't stress that enough. We can go through the game over and over and certainly come up with other contributing factors, but the fact remains that the Heat got way too many 2nd and 3rd chances. All said and done, the Heat had 21 offensive boards to our 11, with 13 of them coming from Udonis and Marion. Add to this point that each of them put down 21 points and I'd say we did a pretty poor job of containing Miami's bigs.

I'd go on a rant about not containing D-Wade, but honestly, what can you do about this guy? Some of the dunks that he raised up on tonight (under the hoop no less) were downright nasty. After losing 6 games, it's an unfortunate truth that a percentage of Oracle-goers were going tonight to watch Wade play in person. And with 37 points, 13 dimes, they got their money's worth.

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Awwww. You blinked!

Ignoring the terrible finish to the 4th quarter that led to overtime and the terrible finish to overtime that led to me weeping like a baby on my couch, there were some moments of brilliance in this game from the Warriors. Much of it came in the form of Jamal Crawford, who made a serious statement on the Oracle floor; the aforementioned statement being (and I quote) "Swish!"

Jamal was one of the few reasons that we were able to keep our minor lead throughout the better part of the game. Every time the Heat seemed to get close or tie it up, there was Jamal with a ridiculous drive or a deep three. 40 points and 7 dimes later it wasn't quite enough, but it's tough to rest the blame on the guy that had the buckets when we needed them.

In fact, it's really tough to rest the blame on any of the Warriors out on the floor tonight. They're failure came more as a team than as individuals. When I look at all 8 Warriors who stepped on the court tonight, I can think of a positive notes on how they all played tonight.

CJ was all over the floor in the 4th gaining us possesions. Beans brought the double double train back to the station with a smooth 7-10 shooting. Crawford and Maggette ran offensive clinics tonight. Randolph looked like he belonged on that floor with three boards and 6 points in only 7 minutes. Jack has some dishes that broke my ankles all the way from my couch. Wright had some excellent takes with 15 points on 7-13 shooting. Turiaf was a force in the paint with 5 swats including that monster one that almost landed in the Smirnoff lounge...

...which ironically landed in the hands of the Heat...

...and ended up as a 3 pointer...

...in a game that we lost by one...

But let's not talk about that. I'm attempting to go to my happy place right now and that little tidbit of information is not allowed in. (Seriously, you'd dig my happy place. It has a cotton candy machine.)

Bottom line. We should have won this game. In more ways than one. Yes, we are going to give away games in the course of the season; every team does. But tonight's game, a game that could have ended this losing streak, was not the time to blow it.

It seems like we are seeing more and more games where we are but one small aspect away from getting ourselves the win. Today our failures truly caught up with us in the end. Our lack of boarding throughout the game culminated with the layup that took us to overtime. Our irresponsibility with the ball culminated with the turnover that gave the Heat the ball back with 9 seconds left, followed by the inbound pass that allowed them to get the final lead.

Man. I sure hope we figure this out pretty soon. Cuz this one hurt.

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It can be none other than Jamal Crawford tonight. As stated before, he was a defining factor of why we were even able to compete in tonight's game. His 40 points will serve as a consolation prize to this game. There's no joke about how he played tonight; it looks like he's starting to settle into Nellie's system. Cross your fingers here.

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by sloth11 on Dec 1, 2008 11:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With the way we played...

… a win in the end would have greatly boosted the team’s confidence. Maybe this loss will be like the loss we had against the wizards in 06-07 that sparked the Warriors into playing some amazing basketball.

Even though we lost, it’s still good to know that it was only because of little mistakes that are fixable. It’s not like we sucked at all, we just couldn’t get one last rebound, and we were a little lazy on the inbounds play. I think it will be very easy for this team to bounce back from that loss. The team knows that they played good, it’ll make them even more hungry for a win next time.

by Five Ten Entertainment on Dec 1, 2008 11:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lottery

hope we win that :(

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup.

I’m half-glad we didn’t luck into the #1 pick in last year’s draft, as if we had I’m 95% sure we would have picked Beasley — out of “need” — rather than Rose. Based on what I’ve seen, I’ll bet my left nut Rose has the better NBA career. Beasley’s a nice enough player; he’ll probably top out somewhere between David West and Elton Brand. Derrick Rose is just scary: he already looks to me like a franchise, once-every-five-years type-talent. Among PGs, I’d group him with CP3 and … no one else (sorry, Deron). Nice-going, Bulls: way to parlay your longshot 1.5% lotto chance into a Rosy future. That was just about as savvy as the Jedi mind-trick you played on the Blazers to make them pick Sam Bowie ahead of you. Mr. Blog-a-Bull is …. pleased.

Meanwhile, who do you think our vaunted braintrust would have chosen in 2004 between the projectable Okafor and the risky Dwight Howard…? Do we really trust Rowell and Mulson with the #1 pick?

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 2, 2008 12:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nelson

should have intentionally fouled Miami when we had the 4point lead and make it a free throw game!

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 1, 2008 11:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Hurt

But helped. We know we can win and we now know what we need to do to win. There is no way we should have lost this game but the little mistakes killed us. Not rebounding, And for that matter, not having the right personal on the floor, you know what forget this.

Nellie knows DAMN well there should have been Turiaf & Beans in at the end. Turiaf played a hell of a game not to be in at the end and Crawford gave the best debut in years for the W’s. Not getting the rebounds and letting them get all the offensive rebounds killed us. This hurt way too much but hopefully Nelson learns how to go with what is going well in the game. We were leading with an actual foward and Center in the game but of course Nelson plays small ball…. Especially when REBOUNDING is necessary. And with that said, we lose by one…. But my question is…..

WHY WAS BEANS INBOUNDING THE PASS IN THE FIRST PLACE??

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by YayArea510 on Dec 1, 2008 11:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jackson

tonight was probably his best game of the season, and perhaps of his warrior career, and yes i’m saying that about a game where 2-11 for 8 points. he only had maybe 3 of his patented forced drives, and was spectacular in keeping the ball moving around, and ended up with 11 assists. he finally showed some leadership on the floor. i’d love if he played every game the rest of the season shooting the ball only 11 times. i hope this wasn’t just a flash in the pan.

also, gotta beat a dead horse and say the coaching at the end of regulation was….questionable. to put it nicely

by AJC3317 on Dec 1, 2008 11:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd have been a lot more impressed if he'd shown the slightest effort to grab a rebound or loose ball

He had 1 rebound in 49 minutes. What’s worse, he seemed completely indifferent every time a shot went up or there was a loose ball, not would he make any effort to box out opposing players.

Early on, he missed a three-pointer and the rebound bounced back in his direction. While he was the closest one to the ball, he just stood there while to Heat players ran it down and started a fast break.

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by Goofus on Dec 2, 2008 12:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good points

i’ll ammend to my statement to best floor game of the season. i do remember one play where the heat were on a 2 on 1 fast break, and jackson was right there to possibly make it a 2 on 2 but he simply jogged lazily back on d.

by AJC3317 on Dec 2, 2008 9:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Golden State Warriors keep finding new ways to lose.....

This says it all really!..
http://www.nba.com/games/20081201/MIAGSW/recap.html

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 2, 2008 12:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man this sucks.

i was at the game, and when i saw quinn hit that three, i turned around. 3 seconds later i see beasley freakin going to the line. ahhh i almost hit another car driving back home because of my frustration!

by GSwarrior on Dec 2, 2008 12:05 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuse me while I.......

Go do something less painful than reliving this nightmare any further, by….oh ..lets say…gouging my eyeballs out with a blunt spoon!

Sorry Crawford….you did superbly for us tonight mate, a real shame the collective “Arsewittedness” of the team toward the end, took from you what should have been a night of celebration at a great performance…

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 2, 2008 12:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tough loss. we gave this one to them.

by phizz on Dec 2, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh great...and now I can see myself in that DWade picture...under his armpit.....

God damn this is by far and away the worst loss this year…..F Word!

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 2, 2008 12:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honorable mention to Stephen Jackson

Someone in the open thread mentioned that the hand/wrist injury was the best thing to happen. I think that’s true. When the injury forced Jackson to sit out against the Knicks, I think he got a “birds eye view” at watching how the Knicks moved the ball to find open men and score against us. And I think a light bulb went off in his head going, “Oh, so this is how I do it.” Except for his poor shooting, there was little to complain about in his performance tonight. He LED the team, he INVOLVED his teammates, he kept the FLOW going, he didn’t ball hog.

Now let’s see if this is for real, or if this is a one-game anomoly. 4 days before the next game. That’s a long wait.

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 2, 2008 12:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ELLIS!!!!! YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE!

THIS GAME SHOWS WHY WE NEED ELLIS…..8 of the 11 games we lost we DEFINITELY would have won with ellis (5 or less points games + NYK game)

if we had ellis we would have an excellent record

by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 12:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on pace

for my 15 win season prediction baby! lets go for an 0-for crawford record

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Dec 2, 2008 12:29 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

funny comment but owww.. breaking out the aloe

by freun989 on Dec 2, 2008 12:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

is there anymore ways to lose game.

by warriorfan4life on Dec 2, 2008 12:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

forefit?

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 2, 2008 2:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My TiVo didn’t record overtime, which is merciful, from the sounds of it.

I’ll say this: I LOVED how we played the first three quarters of this game, and was feeling better about all of our recent villains. Jackson was really leading, in a way he hadn’t led all year. Crawford was great. Maggette was quietly doing a great job too, getting us to the line early and often and showing a defensive energy we hadn’t yet seen from him. And Nellie, by sticking to a simple, common-sense rotation, was coaching better than he’d coached all season.

And then the fourth quarter started, and Nellie decided to go to smallball again.

It’s an absolute joke that we were able to stretch this thing into overtime, because we played HORRIBLY in the fourth… luckily the Heat did too, and the bounces and calls all went our way. Just look at how the offensive flow disappeared once Wright left, and look how comically overmatched our defense became. Yeah, we’d already been horrible on the defensive boards… that’s always going to be a weakness on this team. But when we went down to one big, the shot-blocking disappeared too, and the Heat could do whatever they wanted.

Brandan Wright made a number of mistakes in this game, on both offense and defense… this was not one of his better games. BUT LOOK AT HOW MUCH BETTER WE PLAY WHEN HE’S IN. The offense opens up, because he’s moving, setting picks and cutting to the basket, and the defense toughens up because we can at least protect the rim. And our defense flat-out soars when Turiaf’s in, though he’s not too helpful on offense.

This was heartbreaking, because I thought Nellie had finally figured it out. I thought he’d finally realized that a regular-sized lineup led to better play. Instead, once the Heat tied it up, he panicked, went back to smallball and lost us the game. I’m not even upset about the loss so much… sucks for the Oracle crowd, but there’s not much difference between 6-12 and 5-13, in the scheme of things. The sad thing here is that we played the game the right way for three quarters, with teamwork, energy and a lick of defense, and then reverted to our bad habits late, thanks primarily to an idiotic return to the strategy that’s been killing us.

The rebounding was atrocious throughout, but we can win games while getting beaten on the boards… we did a bunch of that last year. We can’t win games playing smallball. I wish Nelson would just open his goddamned eyes.

by onlxn on Dec 2, 2008 12:46 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok

this is tough and this is painful and it hurts

but at least i saw some signs that those guys are playing basketball

and now -gimme some winning roadtrip

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Dec 2, 2008 2:25 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we're imploding
When Brandan Wright was pulled from the game for the final time after a brief forth quarter stint subbing for a banged up Maggette, he had an extensive talk with Keith Smart before hitting the bench. Wright walked past Smart clearly frustrated, Smart tried to tell him something but Wright’s body language suggested he wasn’t in the mood for it after sitting almost all of the crucial fourth quarter. Smart finally engaged Wright and talked to him for a good 30 seconds while Nelson worked on the refs at mid-court, reviewing an earlier Watson shot to see if it was a three pointer. Whatever Smart was telling Wright, it got Anthony Randolph’s attention as well, who went from giving Wright a casual pat to listening intently to the exchange.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2008/12/02/the-little-things-warriors-129-heat-130/#comment-82107

by centerre on Dec 2, 2008 2:40 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i caught that. when he was pulled out he looked really pissed.

by bogeydead4 on Dec 2, 2008 2:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you too?

here i thought i was the only one.

by ryogahibiki on Dec 2, 2008 8:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

As usual, all BWright did when he was in the game is hustle like a fiend, play active D, run the floor like a gazelle, and make almost every shot he took. Nellie responds by benching him for most of the second half and OT and bringing him in for like two nanoseconds before reinstating Maggs.

The look on young Brandan’s face was unmistakeable: “what the FVCK does a guy have to do to get PT around here???”

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 2, 2008 8:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey

i just got reminded after reading that we would of still tied the game if they never called that CJ shot a 2! and called it a 3

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 2, 2008 3:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nelson plays small and vets on the 4th

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Dec 2, 2008 8:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which is stupid…especially in all those situations where we needed a rebounder at the end of the 4th and end of OT…why would maggs and CJ be in…shoulda been runnin

jack
craw
turiaf
beans
wright

guarntee we woulda won

by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 9:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i

definitely saw this happen. wright deserves and deserved to get more PT the way he was playing last night. with all this commotion about a new warriors coach, i just say give smart a chance…

by gorillas on Dec 2, 2008 5:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say what you're gonna say...

….but Barnett was right tonight: If Mags just layed that one shot up instead of trying to dunk it, that would’ve been an additional point (given he makes the 3 point play) towards the final score. He should publish a coffee table book full of his barnett-isms. Haha.

I really hope we bounce back from this one soon. We ALMOST had it.

It was good to see CJ and Ronny being consistent.

by DubCurse on Dec 2, 2008 3:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you know...

…that Don Nelson, like internet viral videos, gets less and less enjoyable every time you watch?

by Zack Vank on Dec 2, 2008 6:16 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah this is gonna leave a big scar...

But atleast Mistah F.A.B. was at the game!

by Montizzle8 on Dec 2, 2008 7:41 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maggette is the problem

Maggette killed us all night. While he put up some scoring numbers early, and hist some free throws late, he was unable to keep Haslem out of the paint in the second half and overtime and he missed a free throw in overtime that would have given us another point. Plus, he was arguing and arguing and arguing the whole night. Plus, he refuses to pass the ball. Maggette stagnates the offense and is incredibly predictable on the defensive end: He’s going to get out hustled, out-rebounded and taken to the rack. The guy is simply a liability (except at the foul line). We need him coming off the bench for about 10 minutes a contest. I’d rather have Morrow in hoisting up the number of shots that Maggette shoots. Morrow at least, rebounds.

Spree for three!!

by peteb24 on Dec 2, 2008 8:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bullshit. Maggette was a huge plus on offense. Not a huge plus on D — he’ll pretty rarely be there — but not a huge minus either, as he gave a lot of effort. Haslem made a lot of contested jumpers. And as much as I love BWright, he got beat by Haslem worse than Maggette did.

Maggette was fantastic until he was asked to play a position he’s not physically capable of playing. Calling him “the problem” because he missed one free throw late is ridiculous. It’s not his fault some fat guy thinks he’s 6’ 10".

by onlxn on Dec 2, 2008 9:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its a problem when every time he gets the ball it turns into an iso

by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 9:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not when he scores 29 points on 15 shots with only one turnover, it’s not. A lot of people here seem to hate the aesthetic of Maggette’s game, but the truth is, a gunner who scores efficiently and gets your team to the line a lot is a good offensive player.

by onlxn on Dec 2, 2008 9:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's also nice

When said player makes like every shot when he gets to the stripe. When this team starts to coalesce, the lights-out FT shooting of our primary creators (Craw, Maggs, Jack) is going to help us win a few games. We were 47-52 from the line last night — you don’t lose many games when you get to the line that much and make your shots that well.

Not that the difference between an 80-85% FT shooter and a 70% FT shooter (BD or JRich, e.g.) is that important, but for a team on the bubble like us, it sure helps. Even on a great team like the Celtics, I sometimes think the sweet FT shooting of Pierce/Allen/KG is an underrated X-factor in their success.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 2, 2008 10:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FT shooting, like many other things in basketball, cannot be ignored

If you simply look at the point spreads for +/- of NBA teams, most are between -4 and +4. If you shoot the NBA average of 25 FTs, improving from 70% to 80% nets you an extra 2.5 points. That’s the difference between Milwakee (7-12) and Detroit (10-6) or Golden State (5-13) and New Jersey (9-7). Sure there are other factors that will impact wins/losses, but FTs are a very important aspect of the game and they become even more important in the clutch moments of close games.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 2, 2008 11:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its like

maggettes playing his own game within the game. “try and get to 20 points” to keep his stats up.

by gorillas on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bru-tal.

Not sure I can remember a loss where we had that many gimme opportunities to salt the game away. One among many: how ’bout Crawfish at the end of OT, inexplicably not being able to corral a rebound with nobody near him? There had to have been at least a half-dozen loose balls late in the 4th and in OT that, had anyone bothered to pick them up, would have effectively ended the game. Ouch, ouch, ouch.

Pain aside, it’s hard to ignore the bright spots. Crawford in particular was eye-opening — not just the 40 points, but also the ease with which he broke down defenders off the dribble, the aggressiveness in taking it to the rack (right down to the last shot in OT, which nearly fell, and would have changed the suicidal tone of a much of the postgame analysis), the sweet foul shooting, the overall leadership and floor management. Anyone who thinks he’s just a shooting guard … rewatch the game. Also, all the big guys — when Nellie saw fit to put them in — were rock solid. When was the last time the Warriors had not one, not two, but four active, athletic, talented big men? Far cry from the days of Smoothie, Seikaly, Rozier, Damp, Adonalgland, POB et al. It was also fantastic to see Jack playing the complementary role we’ve all been clamoring for him to take. Only a couple times did he seem to force the action the way he’s been doing lately. Craw slipping in so smoothly at PG may have something to do with it.

Someone in the game thread likened the game that fateful, miserable game v. the Wiz in 06/07 where Agent Zero knocked down the three FTs after the final buzzer had sounded. This was right up there with that game in the canon of grotesquely unjust Warrior losses. Still, horrible as it was, that loss somehow galvanized the team: a synergy and talent that had been bubbling beneath the surface showed up the very next day, in a 111-93 stomping of a dominant Pistons team, and blossomed by season’s end into WE BELIEVE. The optimist in me thinks we’re on the cusp of something similar. It sucks and stings right now, but you have to be a total Grinch not see glimpses of hope and real reasons to be at least somewhat merry.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 2, 2008 8:18 AM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

tough loss

but i agree, i saw lots of positives in this game. its tough to assess what your best line up is so early in the season, especially when you’re dealing with a lot of up/down rookies and unknowns, not to mention missing your biggest piece in monta. that being said, beans/turiaf on the floor in the 4th qtr is a must. that much is obvious, and I think we’ll see a lot more of them on the floor together at the end of the game. those two guys, plus any three of the litany of scorers we have, are DANGEROUS in a close game.

I can’t wait to see Monta back. Then we can REALLY begin to see what kind of team we have for the next few years. The pieces are there..

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by GameSix on Dec 2, 2008 8:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pain aside, it’s hard to ignore the bright spots.

  For sure, It was a great game, We held Wade to a sub par night for him. We had a chance to beat a good team and came close, can’t ask for more than that. Give credit to the Heat and their young coach , their little guard and Beasley came thru big. They adjusted to the double teaming of wade and won, it’s as simple as that, and might give us some clue how to play in the long run? If we can put out this effort against everyone we’ll soon improve our record, not every team has a wade to anchor them,

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 2, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beasley

Was smooth, no doubt. Sweet handles, nose for the rim, gorgeous touch on the J. It’s rare to see such a polished big man coming out of the draft. Still, I wonder if his ceiling isn’t somewhat limited by his lack of crazy hops, lack of length (he doesn’t look nearly as long as Rudolph, e.g.), and seeming lack of aggression on D and on the glass. I dunno, somehow he seems more Derek Coleman than Kevin Garnett to me. I’d probably trade Rudolph for him (mostly because I don’t want to start another argument or provoke another JAE diary about "potential") but I think Rudolph’s (dreaded) “upside” is a bit higher.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 2, 2008 9:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops.

THIS caught my eye.

“CJ Watson, D-League call-up and "natural" back-up (as described by Nelson), had four steals, including crucial stops during the fourth quarter and overtime. The rest of the roster managed 5 for the entire game. Sometimes defense isn’t a matter of intelligence, natural ability, or coaching, but simply desire. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best defense is being played by guys struggling to snag 7 (Randolph), 18 (Turiaf), or 27 (Watson) minutes on the court. Meanwhile, those logging 50 (Crawford), 49 (Jackson) and 46 (Maggette) are repeatedly abused by their men with seemingly no consequences or dismay. For two months in 2006, we saw a Warriors team hungry to defend, run, and punish opponents. We haven’t seen anything close since. If we’re going to regain that desire, we should start by rewarding those providing the best effort and enforce a consistent standard across the roster, from Stephen Jackson and Corey Maggette to Richard Hendrix and DeMarcus Nelson. If our choice is now between varieties of losses, I’d rather see hard-fought than phoned-in.”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2008/12/02/the-little-things-warriors-129-heat-130/#comment-82107

If there’s anything that Don Nelson can learn from this game, it’s that CJ deserves his 25-30 minutes that he’s been getting lately and that Randolph, Turiaf, and Wright deserve a LOT more minutes than they have been getting.

by ryogahibiki on Dec 2, 2008 8:26 AM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I love CJ and am glad he’s getting minutes, but he was pretty bad on D last night. Managed some steals, sure, but he couldn’t stay in front of friggin’ Chris Quinn. There are a lot of reasons to go to CJ… defense isn’t one of them.

by onlxn on Dec 2, 2008 9:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t know why Nellie subbed Watson in for Turiaf to play defense while Miami was taking free throws in late OT.
Absolutely nonsensical there.

by so ill so d0pe on Dec 2, 2008 10:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait. for defense while the Warrios were taking free throws.
Yeah.

by so ill so d0pe on Dec 2, 2008 10:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's already morning

and I’m still hurting all over.

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Dec 2, 2008 8:29 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need to play Wright

on the 4th quarter

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Dec 2, 2008 8:32 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

completely agree….why have cj and craw and maggs in at the same time when we need a rebounder…cmon

by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 9:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TO's were way down

Love that improvement.

But man, when CJ gets crucial rebounds you know something is wrong.

Another inbounds play that got stolen from us, though this time we lost.

by mosdl on Dec 2, 2008 8:41 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If only Turiaf could rebound...

…that’s the only missing thing on the puzzle, because he bangs w/o fear, tosses his weight around, contest shots and gets his share of blocks but SOMEHOW, I mean SOMEHOW (how????) he just doesn’t rebound the ball well…

My opinion is that if he can get 10 boards/night he would reduce the rebounds difference and be able to finish games

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Dec 2, 2008 9:13 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Werd.

Turiaf gets a lot of (deserved) love for his majestic swats, but not enough heat for his mediocre rebounding. On the season, he’s got 41 blocks … and 49 boards (or 5.3 and 6.4 per 36 minutes, respectively). That’s pretty insane. I’m not sure the numbers are unrelated: he’s certainly aggressive enough to be a good rebounder, but way too often he flies out and contests when he needs to stay home and box out. Last night he was responsible for more than of few of those maddening second-chance buckets that absolutely killed us.

Career he’s 8.0 boards per 36 minutes, so he should improve a bit, but at this point in his career it’s pretty clear that mediocre rebounding is his Achilles heel. It’s puzzling, given his good hands, quickness, tenacity, and non-stop motor.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 2, 2008 9:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's been stated...

that our poor perimeter D is a major contributor to our poor rebounding. Dribble penetration leads to rotation and being out of place – all this leads to offensive rebounds and second chance points. That and none of our smalls go after the ball, they just watch and hope that a big grabs it.

I remember Barnett saying last night (on the one occasion that we did box out) that the Warriors just watched the ball hit the floor and then a Miami player grabbed it. we had them boxed out and the ball should have never hit the floor.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 2, 2008 12:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for me, that's the season right there

i’m not saying the warriors have no shot of making the playoffs. the optimist and sports fan in me can never really say that, no matter how hard i try. but after that loss, i don’t think i can afford (emotionally) to approach games anything more than a “rebuilding game”. this is not last year’s team, and i need to realize that. and i finally am, i think.

it’s not that last night’s loss was a must win or anything, but it was such a hard loss, that my hope for this season needs to die down a bit, for my sake. and i think that for the first time this season, it is starting to, for better or for worse.

by Run Dubz on Dec 2, 2008 9:19 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Watson

Why was Watson subbed in twice for defense in the final moments of OT? While I understand wanting your best free throw shooters in the game in the case of a foul after a rebound/made shot, other than a steal here and there, Watson continues to get picked on screens and let his man run right past him – leading to mismatches, other Warriors compensating and ending up out of position, which then leaves opponents with wide open jumpers and easy pick and roll points in the paint.

Watson simply cannot keep his man in front of him. Yes, he has been great on the offensive end, but if he cannot guarantee 2 points on every offensive possession, he is costing us by being a defensive liability, allowing opponents to score at will.

I would have much rather seen Wright and Randolph in there to defend both the paint and the perimeter (we’ve seen them both block their share of 3 pointers) than CJ’s man losing him and getting a wide open shot. Or get Turiaf back in for defense (isn’t that his specialty) in hopes of altering a shot or grabbing the rebound.

by NKDN8 on Dec 2, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Worst Part:

Ok, so I get ESPN Mobile text message updates for Warriors games just in case I’m not near a TV to actually watch the game.

And what message did i receive last night?

Warriors Win!
MIA:113
GS:115

Imagine my surprise when i flip on ESPN to see that Miami was the actual winner.

Fuck you ESPN Mobile.

Monta! Montaye! Montae!

by Baked Biedrins on Dec 2, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not trying to turn this into a Nelson bashing....but

Everyone keeps saying this was not Nelsons Fault, it was the lack of rebounding. Well why the feezy do yall think we had no rebounding!!!!

by THIZZ-A-LOT on Dec 2, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously…people are dumb…its nelsons fault for not keeping wright/turiaf in when we are on D and need the rebounding in possibly the last possession that Miami had..instead they rebound it like twice and end up finally gettin a bucket, which was very preventable…why would you have cj + jack + magg + crawford in all at the same time when rebounding is gunna be key?? WTF

coulda just put in beans+turiaf + wright + jack + craw…woulda been way better

by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 1:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love cotton candy too

Sorry you guys lost that game. Good luck on the next one. – Elgin

He who life can no longer surprise raises his eyes, beholds a planet unknown. - Peter Gabriel

by 22baylor on Dec 2, 2008 2:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know why this game was so sick...

I actually thought we had the win when the Free Throws were made with the 3 point lead.
Then a rebound(OUT OF BOUNDS) then Heat gets a Three.
It wasn’t the Three pointer that was the mistake.
BIEDRINS threw it away, shoulda called timeout and it woulda been Double OT.
So many shoulda, woulda , couldas… This lost is one of the worst ever..but too many mistakes and the end. Shoulda Never been a OT if they BOXED OUT HASLEM!!
A loss is a loss..I don’t think anyone can forgot about this one..

by AlbinoWhale on Dec 2, 2008 4:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm enthused

Generally good play. Lost the game in the final minutes with stupid mistakes (their average age is 23 for cryin out loud!) – bummer, but to be expected.

This is a young team. They really coalesced in this game and starting playing like a team, rather than 5 players on the court at the same time.

Ronny (my boy!) came in with some vicious swats.
Watson handled well when he needed, and shot the ball pretty well.
Wright was a hustle machine.
Maggette did what he does: gets to the line
Captain Jack realized he wasn’t shooting well, and passed the ball.
And Jamal Crawford, from my lovely hometown of Seattle, made an Oracle debut something to be appreciated. He was on fire, and he doesn’t even know the W’s system yet.

Let’s step back from an admittedly painful loss and appreciate how close we came to beating a team that is, frankly, better than we are (now), although that won’t last.

Biedrins needs to find his pick and roll skillz – not sure whether it’s his rotation after the pick or if our guards are flubbing (which seems more likely, to me), but Beens can get to the hoop fast with great hands. A well placed pass and 2 pts easy. Needs practice (watch Stockton and Malone do it over and over).

Boxing out and rebounding clearly need work.

On the flip side, the Dubs really progressed on defending the pick and roll. Still needs practice, but much improvement over the last couple games.

Basically, I’m not a fan that gets too worked up or too down on the win/loss column. I’m as pumped as the next guy when the game goes our way, but it’s helpful to remember (for those dying after this loss), that we’re a young team still developing. I think Nellie ball is fun as hell, and would hate to see Nellie kicked off the Warriors – they make basketball fun. Something Chris Paul (altho I love his skills and ability) cannot do. This style of play may never win us a championship – though I hope it does – but it certainly makes me a fan, and makes me want to get out there and shoot hoops myself, and yell “RONNY!” every time I swat my 5’ 6" opponent and “MORROW!” everytime I hit that crazy jumper from the side of the key.

by tvargs on Dec 2, 2008 4:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

your like Nellie you forgot all about Randolph!

He played a couple ofminites and was active as usual. rebounds, blocks and yet he sniffs the bench the entire second half. Nellie needs to wake up and play the players with + minutes.

by smearthebeard on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right

randolph was effective in few minutes.

by tvargs on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wish Jack had the awareness to recognize that he wasnt shooting well, so he decided to play team ball

He had a great game, but i think it was just cause his hand was hurt honestly, cause ive never seen poor shooting affect his shot selection before.

by THIZZ-A-LOT on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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