Fire Don Nelson Now
by gswLLBatman on Dec 1, 2008 10:44 PM PST
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I seven game losing streak is more then enough proof we need a new coach/system.
I can think of two reasons to fire him.
1) Flip Saunders and Avery Johnson are available and better coaches then Don Nelson.
2) If the 49ers, Raiders, Wizards, etc can fire their coaches early in the season why can't the Warriors.
What we paid Don Nelson too much money? WHO CARES we've wasted more money on worst things (Dunleavy, Foyle, Fisher etc)
SOMEONE START THE AVERY JOHNSON MOVEMENT OR FIRE DON NELSON MOVEMENT OR SOMETHING THIS IS CRAZY NOW
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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you really
think rowell the money man is going to fire nelson and lose money?
by saintdee on Dec 1, 2008 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
not gonna happen.....
but i wish it would!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 2, 2008 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your an Idiot
Don’t fire Nelly. Flip Saunders is a bum. No other coach will be able to get the as much out of this team as Nelly.
Bite your tongue… or think real hard.
Maggette killed us. Stupid Stupid Stupid plays. Stupid blocking foul. No hand in the Face on the tying 3.
Guy is an idiot
by Gurthy on Dec 1, 2008 10:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
^2
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
by StSaints408 on Dec 1, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
he did well tonight…
except for those plays. the blocking foul was the worst thing ive ever seen.
by HoLdEmUP on Dec 1, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
would you really grade the Maggette signing any higher than a D so far?
by sam23 on Dec 1, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you're trippin!
Nelly is not getting nothing out of this team! his rotations are terrible! if anything, he’s getting the worst from this team. he lets Jack run the show. what coach in their right mind would let Jackson run the show. Nelson kills the morale of his players when he either doesn’t play them at all, or he starts them for the first quarter then pulls them out for the rest of the entire game. no player on this roster besides Jack, Crawford, and Maggs can really expect to get consistent minutes on any given night (Biedrins included) i’ve seen him screw up out there and get killed on boards a couple of times and seen him get yanked out of the game for long stretches! Azubuike has been a starter, bench captain, and also a pine rider! the rookies, everyone knows the whole situation with the rookies. i’m always surprised when i see them in the game. every single time because i never expect to see them play. Where’s anthony morrow now? he doesn’t even come off the bench! Marcus Williams is basically getting the Stephon Marburry treatment..which is absolutely ridiculous because he’s our only “pass first” ball handler that we have! but he can’t get comfortable in the system because NELSON won’t let him see the light of day! Nelson is burying this team with his whacky lineups, stupid rotations and his stubborness to teach and groom the young guys. B Wright is only like 20 years old, Randolph 19, Belinelli (maybe 22), and he expects that when he puts either one of these guys in the game to produce right away, even after not playing 1 single minute in the previous games! terrible!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 2, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's nothing against you personally
but once again, loads of absurd comments. not playing marcus williams has more to do with him being awful than nellie hating him. and he is not a pass first point guard, he’s a point guard who loves his own shot and can’t hit it. i hope he continues to get the stephon marbury treatment.
and i don’t know if you were referring to tonight about azubuike sitting on the bench, but he was hurt.
of course nelson has screwed around with the lineups, we haven’t had a consistently healthy roster this year. that also explains why kaz was ever starting. he has not played particularly well this year, but injuries brought him into the lineup.
i do think wright should be playing more. i’m with you there, but marco has not shown that he has what it takes to make it in the league. if you want to talk about stubborn, it’s the GSoMers who think that he’s manu ginobili and insist on minutes for even after seeing him sputter and suck (and generally be a vastly different player, but i’m not attributing that remark to you). randolph has been interesting, but has no hoops iq yet. let him learn the game before he gets big minutes.
that’s all i’ve got for you. i’m sorry that don nelson punched you as a child or stole your wallet last week, i am, but this vandetta you have against him is getting old.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 2, 2008 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those days of me being a huge Don Nelson fan are long gone!
I’m hella bored at work so I’m gonna take this time to address all the points you’re trying to make. First of all, It’s no personal vendetta against Nellie himself, although I did say he was fat and he couldn’t even put on a decent outfit, it’s because I’m frustrated with him and I think he’s no good for the mold of our team! Don Nelson was one of my favorite coaches in the league when I first started watching the Warriors! I respected everything about the future hall of famer up until the beginning of last season to now. I don’t see the passion to want to win from this guy anymore. I look at the bench when he calls time outs and his players don’t respond to him any more because he’s bitter and always has the look of complete frustration. I understand it’s because he has young guys that are not yet capable of filling their roles and producing consistently on the court but he knew that coming into the season. Just imagine how his wacky rotations and expectations from the young guys has an effect on their self-esteem and morale. As a young player, it’s a given, you’re going to make mistakes, but the key is you have to continue to help your younger players and work with them and realize that they lack the experience necessary to make the right play. You don’t put them out there and expect them to produce and be the next savior of a drowning franchise and if they fail, bench them and put them on punishment. Everyone knows nelson has no patience when it comes to rookies and younger players but guess what! His team is pretty much all rookies and young inexperienced players! I can only imagine, but being locked in Don Nelson’s “dog house” must make you feel like a piece of shit because everyone can see it (ask al Harrington)! It causes separation amongst the team and throws the chemistry off. With a young squad like this, they need more encouragement rather than punishment. If you notice, all the young guys always talk about the veterans like Jack and even Al working with them and helping them progress. Even Baron used to help Monta and Biedrins develop. I haven’t heard anyone besides the vets themselves, attribute any sort of accomplishment to Nellie! The fact is Nellie puts a player out there and EXPECTS them to make something happen but when things start going wrong, that player gets thrown right into the doghouse. Nellie’s coaching method would most likely work for a much more experienced team, but for this team in particular, there’s not a chance in hell! I’m just trying to make everyone realize that Don Nelson has done great things but the magic is gone! It’s not gonna fly with this team, not now and probably not for the next couple of years! People just want to see Nellie break the record for most wins from an NBA coach as a Warrior! I’d like to see that but honestly I could care less about that, I accept the fact that we are continuing to build for the future, which is one of the reasons why I don’t agree with nelson on how he handles coaching the rookies. I can see in the future that it will wear on the youngsters and they just will eventually not continue to play motivated basketball because of nellies strain on them.
Just to make you aware, Marcus Williams IS in fact a pass first point guard. He’s a good set up man if there is an actual offense to run but there is only ball hogging and iso plays in the warriors playbook. He came from an offense that had a different tempo to it (NJ Nets) and was put into a wild style offense where it’s more like a streetball atmosphere and pretty much any shot is considered a good shot. And how can you really tell he’s awful from watching the couple of short minutes in which he made an appearance? Based on what Don Nelson says? If you believe everything from nelson’s mouth then you are blinder than I thought. This guy can rack up assists (which is what we need) if given a real chance. Jason Kidd (one of the leagues greatest point guards) probably taught him a whole lot when he played behind him don’t ya think? Maybe he just doesn’t fit in Nelson’s goofy system? Maybe he’s not unorthodox enough for Don Nelson? And just to let you know, I was not “nitpicking” at that brilliant we believe season! That was the best sporting event in my lifetime thus far! I was merely saying that Don Nelson had more at the end of his bench than he realized and just maybe it could have been better. Adonal Foyle is not a savior as you claimed I put it and I never said we were the better team, I made points that said we could have beaten that Utah jazz team! If you’re satisfied by just getting an upset and advancing past the 1st round then that’s fine, but I always want more and I believe we could have gotten further! Oh and if you need proof that Don Nelson gives up his guys when things are going bad, take a look at this post:
http://ken-berger.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/11979249
During the second half of that magical we believe season, he said it himself that we weren’t gonna make the playoffs and he meant it. Then the players proved him wrong and went on an amazing run to sneak into the 8th spot and pull an amazing upset! Point is, he quit…so I don’t credit him for that push. I credited the players. We were a much more talented roster than the one we have now and they responded well, so to read about nelson basically giving up hope publicly in such an early part of the season can’t be good for our team’s overall morale. Right now, after what this team has been through during the last rough stretch of games, they are a very fragile bunch. Realistically these young guys are just not mentally strong enough to get it together especially without having a real leader on the team.
As for Nelson and his lineups. I know we haven’t had a healthy roster at points in this early season. Maggs was out, Jack for 1 game, Al back strains (supposedly), and of course Monta Ellis. I’m not blind! As for his rotations though, they are terrible. 1 night he’ll start a player who hasn’t played at all and then he’ll pull him. Any given night you may see the most randomest starter. Who ever figured morrow was going to start a game after he hasn’t played but 5 minutes in like 2 of the previous games? Granted, he did produce great for us in 2 starts but since then, has anyone mentioned his name? No, because he became human and don nelson threw him back in a cage. I’m just waiting to see Rob Kurz start a game..then I’ll be laughing my ass off for real! I also noticed that when a player is rolling and doing pretty good things on the floor, Nelson decides to bench them (example: Brendan Wright last night against Miami was playing excellent and had a great Fg % but he was nowhere to be seen at all in the second half, I’ve seen him pull maggette out seconds after he begins to heat up,Turiaf is arguably our best defensive presence down low and he doesn’t see as much action as he should be seeing) I’ve seen a lot of head scratching things done by Don Nelson and I wonder why de does the things he does.
As for Marco, he sucks when we see him play because playing for Nelson makes him feel like he has to make something happen every time he’s in and he doesn’t just let the game come to him. That’s a lot of pressure! We don’t have an offense that he can play off of. It’s not hard to set off screens and create better shots and opportunities for people but it seems like all we do is play 1 on 1 basketball. Marco is not that type of player. Then the saga continues, he’s in for a minute, makes a mistake, and his ass is right back on that bench. Let me ask you, can you play like that? Being a player that was said by Nelson himself to be “NBA ready” and never knowing when you’re gonna be called upon. You never know where you stand with Don Nelson and it throws you off if you’re in that position. I feel we have enough talent on this team to make a name for ourselves in this league but the system is just not right! we have really terrific defenders on our squad in beans, turiaf, wright and randolph, jack as a nice wing defender (with the exception of last night!), buike and morrow play scrappy enough, watson picks his spots on D nicely. We’re a better team than what we’ve shown and what people perceive us to be but there is no order in warrior land. They need to get it together and stop playing so chaotic…and that chaos is credited to the coach…NELSON!! I think nelson’s fat ass is blocking your vision and you just can’t see! hahaha….digest that!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 2, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i see where you're coming from
and most of it we’ve argued through enough times where you won’t convince me and i won’t convince you. that’s fine. two things though:
williams- i’m not just going by what we’ve seen of him this year, in fact, i don’t have any memory of seeing him play this year. it was last year in jersey where i saw a guy who really didn’t get how to run the point and seemed out of place. he did sit behind kidd on that bench, he just didn’t develop any of his tendencies. he’s kind of a chucker. i was hoping that a new offense that was a little more freewheeling would work for him. the fact that he’s sitting on the bench while jack and cj fumble around at the point makes me assume that it wasn’t a good fit and he didn’t change his style of play. but if you want to assume he would be better than cj and jack, well maybe he would be, we haven’t seen much of him. it just seems really unlikely.
marco: if he can’t handle limited minutes as a rookie and thinks that garbage time in meaningless games is too much pressure, he’s got problems that we can’t solve. maybe that was williams’ problem in nj, too, but if that’s the issue, don’t let the door hit you on your way out of the league, buddy. rookies have to deal with fighting to earn minutes. he either didn’t fight or didn’t win. with our glut of shooting guards now, it’s time to face it, marco will never play on this team and will probably never get much playing time anywhere in the nba.
ps. i like tinkering with lineups on a team that isn’t winning. if it hasn’t shown that it’s going to work, you might as well change it. that’s all i’ve got.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also somewhat see your point of view
Marco should be playing way better in garbage time but I was referring to the rare times that he does get in there when it counts. He’s got to learn how to take advantage of every opportunity and make the most of his situation. Nelly has given him some shots and i understand why he pulled him out against the Knicks, He wasn’t playing no defense, although he was 1 for 2 from 3-point land. It’s a lot of pressure to have to deal with, in situations like that, because he so desperately wants to make his stamp on the game. that’s difficcult knowing that Nelson can pull you out at any moment. If he’s gonna take a chance on a guy, i think he should let him play through it a little bit. call a timeout and get the message across! don’t kill his spirit and banish him from the game. His greatest asset is his shot. i think he can be utilized in different ways and situations. i’d put him (also Morrow) in along side people that can get into the paint the best like Maggs, Crawford and Watson, so that they can penetrate and get him open shots. Marco cannot create for himself whatsoever right now, he always gets caught when he lowers his shoulder and it’s called a charge. for the most part though, i think Marco has played decent in garbage time. we’re so stocked at the guard position that I honestly could probably care less if he goes or stays but i’m just saying i that maybe if he was used differently, he might have been able to help out more. Same goes for Marcus Williams, i think that if Nelson tweaked his offensive system a bit, things might have worked out. I actually feel that way for majority of the squad but Nelson insists on playing the same way all the time and coaches, players and everyone around the league knows it. The thing with coach is that he doesn’t play to his players strengths. he forces them to be something that they are not (example: harrington/center, maggette/4,pietrus/4,Jackson/1,Azubuike/3,Turiaf/Center but he’s really a 4,Dunleavy/ 1, Barnes/4). there is an awesome post that i saw with all the numbers showing how innefective small ball really is.
here it is : http://48minutes.net/2008/12/01/pre-game-snack-the-stark-difference-between-large-and-small/
it’s a pretty cool post that shows Nellies coachin strategy in numbers compared to playing Big (aka normal basketball). Anyways, i truly feel that we have a talented enough roster to be in a better position than we are in right now. things just have not come together but i think if Nelson was gone or if he got rid of some of his stubborn habbits we would have more success! just my opinion
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 3, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this again?!
do we really need one every day? actually it looks like 2 posts in a row about the same subject. You should have something new and hopefully interesting to say if you make a new fanpost.
by sam23 on Dec 1, 2008 10:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Call it what you will
But its a discussion about the game. This is just a place for us to chat or vent. It is what it is. No fanpost is a bad fanpost
by Gurthy on Dec 1, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it is if its the same exact fanpost as the previous one, this fanpost sucks, its NOT a discussion about the game.
by sam23 on Dec 1, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
say no to Avery.
he held Devin Harris back.
he ruined Dirk Nowitzki
he turned Jason Kidd into a spot up 3 pt shooter.
by the evil monkey on Dec 1, 2008 10:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow i never thought of it that way
but so true
Thank you, Dubs.
by misterho on Dec 1, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
those are two great reasons
both completely unrelated to his actual coaching and the performance of the team
Thank you, Dubs.
by misterho on Dec 1, 2008 11:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and
the first one is just completely false.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 2, 2008 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mags didnt kill us
when we were up by 2 in the last seconds of the 4th and we were getting killed all not on the boards nellie shoulda realized we needed REBOUNDING maybe if he woulda put ronny and dre in at the same time instead of jax and mags getting out rebounded by haslem of all ppl.
how did avery hold devin harris back when he made him so good that the nets traded jason kidd for him?
dirk is good but he was never that damn good. the mvp he won means nothing.
and kidd is old who cares his crap now
better coaches mean less losing and less situations like the one tonight. the only reason why we havent fired nellie yet is the money. the only thing nellie has changed from his coaching is his playing rookies and ppl think his changed his entire way of thinking b/c of that.
by gswLLBatman on Dec 1, 2008 11:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
1) thats not even a change. Nellie’s reputation for not playing rookies is totally unwarranted.
2) Better players means less losing, and the reason we havent fired Nellie is not the money, its that he’s coaching a bad team and is dealing with a roster marred with front office mistakes and key injuries. I dont get it. Since his return Nellie’s teams have vastly overachieved. He is a victim of his own success, so much of the fanbase has ridiculous expectations because we snuck into the playoffs and Nellie coached us to a round 1 victory. Now you want to fire him because this team, which has lost MOST of the significant pieces of that team, isnt successful? Totally ridiculous.
by sam23 on Dec 1, 2008 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not Nellie fault I dont believe but I question.....
Why when we are up by three in dying seconds and D Wade is driving the lane and you have fouls to give you dont either;
A: Clobber the guy and I do mean nail his ass to the floor type of foul, without being flagrant. Or
B: Let him have it and then control the inbound and the clock….but nooooooooooo
We go for option C, pussy up a soft challenge which you know out of all people he is still likely to make and the refs will always call against us.
What I dont understand is, when we called that last timeout, why oh why didnt he put the following on the court;
Biedrins
Turiaf
Randolph
Kurz
Wright &
Crawford
??? Go as bloody big as you can to defend the damn basket, inbound pass, etc etc, what the hell we were doing with CJ Watson scrambling for the ball across the end line is beyond belief.
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 1, 2008 11:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
See how mad I am..cant even count...drop Kurz from that lineup....
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 1, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
an then what ?
And say we fire Nelson …. what will happen ? Jackson will magically become jordan ? Our midget lineup will magically out rebound dwight howard ? our selfish players will magically turn into assist machines ? I most people expected too much, it isn’t nellie’s fault.
If ownership and management are shaky at best, it isn’t his fault.
There are a lot of things wrong with this organization , and it’s not because of Nelson’s few coaching mistakes. Nellie may call plays, but he isn’t responsible for the lack of hustle, he isn’t responsible for the lack on shot contesting and I’m quite sure he would rather have a Baron + Jrich rather than B Wright and Maggette……
The future seems tough…..maybe a change in ownership would help.
This tree is rotten at the top
beware of the 8
by nico26warriors on Dec 1, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it is his fault...
for not contesting shots, it is his fault for players not hustling.
he’s the coach, its his job to make sure players do what needs to be done. the dubs don’t run plays. they run isos. and when they share the ball, we get OPEN 3s, not shitty, contested, rushed 3s. If we ran plays with off-ball screening getting shooters(morrow, belinelli) open and let rebounders stay in the post, we’d get good shots and offensive boards.
and our defence is shitty. we gave up, what 138 to the Knicks? the KNICKS! how does that happen? Turiaf is a blocking machine, Beens gets blocks, wright can block, and randolph’s arms are way too long. there is no way we should give up as many points as we do. defensive scheems are planned and tought by the coach. Nellie needs to adjust his ‘system’ if he has one.
or bring in flip. he’ll teach defence and some plays
by jimmycaps on Dec 2, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really not that difficult to see...
It’s not all Nellie’s fault. We’re simply a mediocre team with inexperienced talent. I just hope we keep the key young players for a strong foundation to build a solid playoff team in the future. And yes… accept it or not, we’re rebuilding once again.
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by JonDoe on Dec 1, 2008 11:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dude
nellie is coaching the youngest team in the league. keyword = youngest. we are not going to make the post season this year, hell, we probably won’t even make it next year. the man even said it himself that this season will be more about teaching rather than winning. get used to it man, he’s not going anywhere. the franchise wants him to break the record for the most wins as a head coach.
by LETS GO WARRIORS on Dec 2, 2008 12:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
btw
what makes flip saunders a better coach than nellie? flip was lucky enough to inherit a very good team and still couldn’t bring them back to the promised land! at least nellie can get a lot out of production out of no name players/d-league stand outs.
by LETS GO WARRIORS on Dec 2, 2008 12:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
putang ina mo
if flip saunders and avery are the two coaches you can come up to replace nellie with. Flip who couldnt do jack shit with the arguably the best player in the NBA a few years back and who couldnt do crap with a talent laden chemistry solidified Piston team?
And avery who got his ass handed to him in a platter by Don Nelson in the we believe playoffs?
you gotta be kidding me
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Dec 2, 2008 12:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
vote COACH K for Warriors coach ..... and lets all kick nelly's butt away to hawaii
by goldenboywarrior on Dec 2, 2008 1:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
its not nellys fault...
that ellis is injured…
if ellis wasnt injured, i guarntee we would be at least 13-5 (all the <5 point differential games + knicks game)
by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 2:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
…it will be Nellie’s fault when Brandan Wright refuses to resign with us in a couple years cuz he never got real burn, and he goes off to slam and jam for the Suns or something.
by Zack Vank on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im glad you dont run the team
Explain exactly what Avery Johnson would do differently, you know with his WORLDS of experience over Don Nelson. How long has Don been in the NBA? 45 years? Avery 20? 4 as a coach? Yeah……..
Dont misunderstand taking over a championship contender ( that Nelly handed to him which he ran into the ground ) into good coaching.
Flip Saunders is another guy who did little to NOTHING with ALOT of talent in Detroit and KG in Minnesotta.
You people need to start excepting this team for what it is, struggling without its superstar, but COMPETING every night.
Look at the Wizards, 2 – 12 and getting blown out every game. Sure they beat the Warriors but were just a bad team currently that is in transition.
So to review no they wont fire him because no one is better fit for the job than Don Nelson. Its also NOT coaching thats killing the Warriors its the players. WAtching last night, DON NELSON was yelling for a timeout, but Andris Biedrins threw the ball away and they lost the game.
It was Corey Maggette that gave Chris “Im Slower and smaller then Dunleavy” Quinn a WIDE OPEN 3 point shot.
It was the players who FOULED Dwyane Wade while shooting when they had a foul to give.
It was the players who couldnt secure the defensive boards.
Uhmm….. rebounding and defense and shot selection. Sounds like a young team to me.
People in Portland ate alot of losses before their young squad came together. Again, give it time people, stop acting like spoiled, bandwagon LA fans. Dont be an LA FAN. PLEASE
by sjboy on Dec 2, 2008 8:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Avery Johnson stinks and Flip Saunders isn't
both are much WORST coaches than Nelson
=Gaucho=
by Gaucho! on Dec 2, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
JIM BARNETT
I want Jim Barnett. See how he was calling out plays from the 2 minute mark to the end of the OT. Would be a great fit.
BD-FOR-P!
by BDForPresident on Dec 2, 2008 12:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dude
i already wrote a post about nelson needing to leave like 3 days ago. lol
by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Dec 2, 2008 3:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HOW THE FUCK can you blame Nellie,
He was very passionate in this game and you say fire someone who is trying to help the team? When he said Warriors not making playoffs, he used that to motivate the team.
Last night’s game was so painful, but I HOPE the Warriors can get over it and be stronger with this experience.. I can’t imagine how because this lost was EXTREMELY PAINFUL
If it was painful for the FANS, HOW PAINFUL WOULD IT BE FOR THE TEAM!!!
by AlbinoWhale on Dec 2, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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