The Rise of Belinelli?
by JustSomeName on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 AM PST
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PrintLike most of you Warrior fans out there, I was really excited when the Warriors drafted Marco Belinelli in 2007 with the 18th pick. We got even more excited when he went crazy in the past two Summer Leagues, dominating the box score and some people were saying that he was the coming of the next Manu Ginobili. But during this season, Marco had a very slow start and we all were thinking that he'd be a bust. But he has shown signs of brilliance in the past two games. Against the Thunder he went 6-7 for 13 points and 2 rebounds in 18 minutes of play, and last night against the Bucks, he went 5-7 with 15 points, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists in 20 minutes of play with that spectacular shot from behind the backboard the brought the house down. Even Don Nelson was quoted saying, "I thought he came in and played the way I pictured him playing when we drafted him." So what do you guys think, will we keep or trade him? Is this the beginning of a blossoming career for Marco or is he still considered a bust?
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It’s so tempting to excited about the young players when they put 2 good games together (Morrow). What i liked most is his ball handling and passing skills. Now’s the time to give him some time (and Maggette time to rest his hamstring), before Monta comes back.
It may be early..but I like what I've seen from Marco in the past 2 games
Marco played brilliantly during his extended time on the floor in the past 2 games. Granted, they were against 2 lowly teams, but you gotta give him credit for the way he played defense against Kevin Durant. Although Durant scored 40+, Belinelli locked him down for a good amount of time. He frustrated KD and stuck with him wherever he went. He also played a nice floor game. In the past 2 games alone, he combined for close to 30 points and missed maybe like 5 shots in between. He also is passing the ball nicely and making it look easy. It looks like the game has slowed down for him significantly and he’s just picking his spots to make things happen rather than forcing it. Marco’s playing with poise and control and that’s keeping him on the floor longer. This is probably the only real shot that I have seen him get to prove himself to Nelly and he’s taken full advantage of it. I hope he can continue to play with confidence and continue to play at a high level. I like this kid and I hated to see people give up on him when no one really has ever actually seen him play extensively in this league. We base our judgement of him on what Nelson thinks, which i stopped doing a long time ago. I think he’ll continue to grow more comfortable in his role and will be a nice asset for us in the future as a driver, disher and dead eye shooter. The true test will come when we play better teams but i’m optomistic about this kid.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 11, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
+1
"Maybe I need somebody that can save me from the parts of myself that keep making me crazy" -Slug-
by drizztismoneybaby on Dec 11, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I mentioned this in the open thread
he must be improving defensively enough to satisy Nellie tossing him out there. Before we jump the gun, I’d like to see him prove himself against a better team.
He is...
Dare i say the best perimeter defender right now?
Watching Belli play notice how much effort he exorts on the defensive end of the court. He’s constantly trying to fight through screens and recovering on his man. This is something no other perimeter warrior defender seems to be doing. CJ, Jamal, Stephen, Kelenna, and Corey all seem content to go under the screen half-heartedly, or switch. Switching sets the offensive player for an advantage. I think our interior defense has fared pretty well, except they get caught out of position. Defensive rebounds do not totally fall on the frontcourt’s shoulders. Thats a team effort right there.
So yes, i do think his defense is improved, but if Belli is our best defensive player, that says more about the effort of our other players than his talent as a defensive stopper. But that shot behind the backboard was just incredible.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
lmao!
lets not jump the gun here homie!!
by IndubitableBayAreaGM on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
He is definately
A better defender than Watson or Azabuke. I wish Belinelli would get more of CJ minutes, its great Watson has been shooting good, but it doesnt compensate for his horrible defense and lack of anything else good on the court. More Belli!!!!!!!!!
really though
defence was his worst skill, by far
so it makes sence he’d put inextra work there to improve
I must agree, his defense has looked like it’s gotten better and is the reason why Nelson’s been keeping him in the games. Also, he’s defended the likes of Michael Redd and Kevin Durant, not superstars, but quite good players in their own accord. And being able to defend Second Teir stars like that says something about him and his defense.
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by JustSomeName on Dec 11, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Nelson’s quote means nothing. Belinelli will be back on the bench demanding a trade in no time. Wait until Maggette gets back.
Remember the first year Nelson was here when the system was a meritocracy?
agrred, i prefer him to morrow and buke though… they make so many dumb mistakes…. then again marco tends to float out alot. I wished nellie would just show him confidence and give him 20 mins a night for 5-7 games while mags is out see how he plays
by Warriors510 on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
You must be joking
I was at the game last night, I’ve seen every televised game this year, and in the last 3 seasons, I’ve probably only missed between 25-35 games. If I had to choose between keeping buike or keeping Morrow and Bellinelli, I keep the two. They are better combined than buike. Morrow is a better scorer with a better jump shot, Bellinelli has more dimensions to his game. He’s looking like a pretty good defender, he clearly has offensive skills, and he moves the ball around better than any of our “Point Guards.” Buike is becoming a black hole in the form of Maggette. He is only looking to get the ball and drive to the hoop. Sure he’s a better rebounder, but that’s all he’s better at. It was really frustrating last night watching Buike continually recieve the ball and just go to the hoop. Azubuike is starting to look like Maggette Jr….
yeah, you’re right.
but you shouldn’t exaggerate to make your point.
outside of rebounding – buike’s a better man, post, and team defender, he’s a better shot blocker, he finishes inside better, and (if you watch the weakside movement on offense, you’ll see) he’s better at setting screens.
to add, up to now, he has hustled more, been more clutch, he’s tough, and he makes less mistakes assignment wise.
i say all this despite buike being one of my least favorite guys on the team. still, it’s weird to me how many of us see only the positives in the guys we like and only the negatives within the guys we don’t.
by the evil monkey on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
it’s weird to me how many of us see only the positives in the guys we like and only the negatives within the guys we don’t.
Aren’t the positives and the negatives the things that make us like or dislike players?
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
yeah, but i’m talking about ignoring one side of the player and strictly focusing on what’s wrong or right about him.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
yes but buke has also cost us ALOT. How many times does he get ball and try to isolate….. How much better did we look as a team w/o maggette and buke’s minutes limited. I loved buke last year, and still think he has a roll but its reminding me of matt barnes, where he starts thinking too highly of himself and gets away from what made him successfull. Neither barnes nor buke r ever going to be star or go to guy, they r roll players, and when they accept there roles they r both VERY useful to teams and good players.
That comes from good coaching, player rotation and assignments, something nellie can be hit or miss with.
by Warriors510 on Dec 12, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, i agree w/ your assessment and to some extent myk’s – like i said, buike’s one of my least favorite guys (2nd to the “actor” on our team) – but you still won’t see me making asinine statements like buike’s only better than morrow & belinelli at rebounding.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
BUST
well, maybe not a bust considering he was the 17th pick. But compared to the ridiculous hype and expectations surrounding him from around these parts he’s a total bust.
hahah yes!
why milwaukee gave him that contract is beyond me
Bellinelli
Actually looked good! Does this mean an end to all the Belli jokes and trash talking ? Hopefully, because that would mean that he stays consistent and provides some help off the bench as a pg. His handles are looking pretty clean, he can drive a little, looks for his teamates, and can shoot. Not to mention that his Defense has drastically improved. Having Bellinelli and Morrow fight it out for minutes can only help the Dubs
by Pearlsofwisdom on Dec 11, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions
Does this mean an end to all the Belli jokes and trash talking ?
Not untill he gets better than Dunleavey. Dun put together two adequate games too at times. Right now I’d take Dun over Marco so that tells you how far he has to go to stop the jokes.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 11, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
If he puts together a string of good games, like over the span of 20 games, then maybe the jokes will stop.
by Fantasy Junkie on Dec 11, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Belinelli/Morrow combo >> Steven Jackson
I would much rather have a combo of these 2 guys jacking up 8-12 3’s a game than Steve Jack. If all Steve Jackson is going to do on offense is sit on 3 point line and demand the ball, why don’t we replace him with these 2 guys who can actually shoot. They also are both better rebounders than Jackson is because despite his size he never crashes the boards. Bench Jackson he’s just a smaller version of Antoine Walker without the rebounding.
Belinelli and Morrow and different types of players.(Belinelli Second best playmaker on the Team? Behind Crawford)
Everybody thinks that Morrow and Belinelli are both just shooters but we were finally able to see belinelli’s complete package. Besides Crawford, belinelli might be the best playmaker on the team. While morrow is a better spot up belinelli is better off the dribble. By having both of them in there would be a good combo since belinelli can handle and is an outstanding passer. Will belinelli and morrow you can kind of see now why Belinelli was a first rounder and morrow was undrafted. Although dont uderstand how nobody took morrow in the second round.
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM PST reply actions
And yet...
Marco has a 1.4:1 Assist/TO ratio while Crawford has a 2.5:1 Assist/TO ratio. That court vision isn’t turning into good things very often.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 12, 2008 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
But it was a very productive 14 and a half minutes. Anytime you score more points than you have minutes, is a good night.
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by JustSomeName on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever
anything more than 10 minutes from Nelson’s dog house is like two hd tvs on Christmas for us.
I know the boxscore...
says that but it’s not possible. He played the entire 4th quarter and more that 2 minutes in the 1st half.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
Yeah, there was a problem with the box score at half time
and it listed Marco playing 0:00 minutes, so I’m not sure if the final minutes are correct.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
NEW LINE-UPS
Crawford
Belinelli
Morrow
Wright
Biedrins
Bench:
Watson
Jackson
Randolph
Maggette
Turiaf
YEAH BOY!! In my dreams.. haha
screw cohan, screw mullin, screw baron
Jackson would never come off the bench. Nellie never holds his veterans accountable on the defensive side of the floor. Jack can make as many mistakes as he wants (like complain about a non-call and not run back on defense) and still play the whole game. If Belli, Wright, Randolph did that, they probably wouldn’t see the floor for the rest of the game.
All i’m saying is that the best teams hold every player accountable and shouldn’t tolerate giving up. Look at the Spurs and Greg Popovich, he demands 100% effort whether its from Duncan to George Hill. No one is above accountability and that’s how it should be on any team.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
well, even Pop admits that Duncan’s that rare superstar. most of these guy’s egos are much bigger than any of us can imagine. phil never really held shaq or kobe accountable. nor did riley ewing. or larry brown iverson. adelman webber. if you’ve ever been in a locker room, it’s usually not the coach who can hold ppl accountable – it’s usually your best players. that’s what makes guys like Jordan & KG so valuable. even w/ kobe last yr, he finally held himself accountable.
on Jack – technically, he doesn’t make very many assignment mistakes. i can only think of one instance where i noticed he didn’t rotate where he was supposed to. and usually if you watch him on d, you can figure out what the game plan is for that night (or you can just look at Maggette and realize it’s probably the opposite of whatever he’s doing). but i’d say that easily over 95% of the time Jack is doing what he’s supposed to do and being where he’s supposed to be.
even his not running back is grossly exaggerated on this board. it’s probably happened like less than 3x this year. but it’s funny how ppl tend to see the negatives in the guys they hate and tend to notice the pluses in the guys they like.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll accept your assessment on superstars.
However Nellie should send a message to the whole team that lazy defense is not tolerated. I think the most frustrating part on defense is the lack of effort. You’ll hardly see Jack fighting through screens or closing out hard on a shooter. It drives me crazy when the guards constantly switch on defense. That is lazy and puts the defense at a disadvantage. It also leaves your teammates out to dry.
You add the lazy defense onto a night when jack shoots in the upper 30’s to low 40% area and you can see how we all get frustrated with our leader.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
fair points. i still think we have an even larger problem. outside of Turiaf, no one can defend their guy 1 on 1. it’s so rare when one of our guys stops dribble penetration w/o having to have half our team come over to help. outside of when Turiaf is guarding them, any big man posting up is guaranteed an easy shot unless a couple of guys help.
with Jack’s effort dropping off, Belinelli can be argued to be our 2nd best 1 on 1 defender. no offense to him, but that’s just pathetic.
agreed about the switching. last 2 year’s the team was built to switch, but this one isn’t. in terms of versatility, Jack and, to some extent, Kelenna is all that’s left.
by the evil monkey on Dec 14, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
You forgot somebody...
Starters:
Crawford
Monta
Morrow
Wright
Biedrins
2nd Team:
Belinelli
Azabuike
Maggette
Randolph
Turiaf
sorry Watson, Jackson… you guys get garbage time
I'd take
Bellinelli over Morrow. And I ain’t no bandwagon hopper either. I’ve like the kid for a long time.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
Maybe Belli over Crawford on the 1st team then...
I just think he’s a good enough passer to run the point, so I had him on the 2nd team to control the tempo there
jesus christ we have some stupid people in these forums
i like bellinelli based off the last TWO games, but hes good coming off the bench. bellinelli scores 14 two games in a row and all of a sudden hes better than jackson and crawford. suddenly we forgot abou the 40 points crawford put up against the heat in which he single handedly kept us in the game, or the game against minnesota when jackson single handedlyl beat them. i know jackson and crawford have had their fair share of bad games. but what do you think morrow (who already has had some dreadful games) or bellinelli would have done in their place. and be logical
I didn't say he was
better than Crawford or Jackson. I said I like him more than Morrow. Which doesn’t mean I don’t like Morrow.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
Belinelli/Morrow
I am a huge Marco fan and I have enjoyed watching him being given more playing time to show how good he can be in shooting, playmaking and defensively. However, Morrow has also been good of late and I don’t believe they should be competing. As a combination, they can be effective at sharing the minutes with Morrow using his high shooting and free-throw % and Belinelli using his Shooting, Playmaking etc. effectively to help the team.
Therefore, it shouldn’t be a question of Belinelli OR Morrow, it should be both of them playing SG with one starting and the other coming of the bench but the minutes being shared quite evenly between them and not players like Jackson, who should play SF more, in my opinion.
I
heared it on the radio last night is why are people complaining about belinelli defensively if nobody else does. Good example was the Knick game Nelson only had him play 6 minutes and he said that was because he did not play D but um if he only played 6 and they were giving up 82 pts and he mostly had nothing to do with it.
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 11, 2008 1:08 PM PST reply actions
lol Nelson is a master of puppets...he should blame Marco for our bad start
because he didn’t play D in his previous loooooooong minutes spent on court
ha
he should blame him for not being like ronny on the bench all enthusiastic lol
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 12, 2008 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
um yeah. if you watched the game, he clearly sat Marco b/c he missed at least 3 assignments in a row on defense.
if you have league pass, go to nba.com and look in the archives and you’ll see Marco do WTF things like abandoning his man on the baseline to chase after an already covered guy and be one of two guys against two knicks players going for a defensive rebound and suddenly running down to the offensive end after the shot is missed leaving 1 warrior (andris) vs 2 knicks and a knick lay up.
i’d say Marco’s biggest problem is that Nellie has no idea what the hell he’ll do. it seems most NBA coaches are big on guys who they can trust (to do things like carry out the game plan). Nellie would probably live with some of Marco’s faults if Marco didn’t do things like “run after something shiny” as Lepper put it after the 1st Memphis game.
sometimes i wonder how dumb these guys are when i see things like Wright commit 3 3-second in the key penalties in a game (okc). it sure didn’t take DeMarcus Nelson & CJ & Kelenna & Kurz that long to pick up the offense & defensive sets. even Randolph seems to be picking it up fairly quickly. then i see guys like Wright, Beli, Morrow making obvious assignment mistakes… and based on his comments to the media, marcus williams is a vet and still couldn’t grasp it?
at least belinelli has the language excuse.
by the evil monkey on Dec 11, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
the problem is
we have too many shooting guards. a couple of nights morrow will explode another night buike then the next night belli, but no one is consistent, nor do they get consistent time to get comfortable on the court and get some game experience.
I have this gut feeling that belli may get a start and give us like 2 points in 20min, and then we will all go back to trade talks for belli while he gets thrown back into nellie’s doghouse. same story each week. just a different SG.
now if we could hire a GS physic who could predict which SG will explode each night…then we don’t need to trade anyone!
Has anybody else noticed....
CJ never ever passes to Marco, even when he is wide open. I think he is thinking the more touches Belinelli gets the more of his minutes he’ll end up taking when it becomes obvious how much better Marco is than CJ. I’m I paranoid, maybe so, but that’s the way I’ve seen it shake out when they are on the court together.
Yeah dude I was there last night,
CJ has a nice jumpshot, but not D, he’s a good rebounder for his size, but he’s a shooting guard not a pg. All he can do is score. Buike is becoming a ball hog, he just gets the ball and either shoots it or goes to the hoop, he has mediocre D, he’s a pretty good rebounder, mostly a scorer. Maggette, No D, ball hog, good at putting up #’s, not so great rebounder. Honestly, all three of those guys are serious ball hogs who are just good for scoring. I know Morrow is pretty much the same, but he is more efficient at scoring than those three, and he shoots better from the 3. Belli, and I know this is weird to say, was not the biggest Belli fan, but he is a decent rebounder, he plays solid hustle D, which is perfect for the Warriors and he is probably the best passer on the team. He also handles the ball well.
Its really weird that Nellie doesnt play Belli. When he was on the court last night, he was playng Warriors basketball. He was hustling on the D, pushing the tempo, handling the ball crazy good, passing like a champ, involving his teamates better than anyone has this season, and scoring with efficiency. He looks like Nellie’s kinda player. Doesn’t make sense.
I would be so down to just dump Maggette for garbage and
have his playing time be split up by BWright Morrow and Belli. Seriously, we should trade him to OKC for Joe Smith and Desmond Mason. The salaries match and they both have one year left. Sounds great to me. You get veterans in the lokcer room to essentially coach the young talent on out team, we dont need to give them burn. Honestly, and I know I’ll catch heat for this, but Buike is becoming a ball hog, he plays really slfishly, I wouldn’t mind if we got rid of him, or he lost his minutes to Belli and Morrow. But whatever Monta will come back, we wont trade Maggs, and BWright ,Morrow, and Belli will be barried on the bench cuz Don is an Asshole…
yet marco passes to CJ
It seems that whenever one of them has the ball, the other goes into shooting mode and lets the other do the passing.
Though CJ tends to try to pass to the vets it seems, which makes some sense. But marco is the better passer.
If CJ was deliberately not passing to Marco
Either Nellie would notice it outright and call him out on it for not giving it to an open shooter, or Marco would call him out for it, or (worst case) Marco would go running to tell Nellie. I doubt that’s a problem.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 12, 2008 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
we all were thinking that he'd be a bust.
I never once said that. I always liked Marco. Speak for yourself.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
I could only watch part of Sportcenter today, was there any Bellineli sighting in the top 10 or anything?
Anybody else find it hilarious that they show and make big deals about Lebron James plays where he gets called for goal tending or a foul…. lol “It looked goo to me….” yet they dont show hella good plays by lesser know players. I still cant believe that Azubuike block on JR Smith wasnt even mentioned, and it was national tv
They are a joke that play was definetly a play of the day and I don't even have to see the others to say that
because when he did it i was starring at the sreen with my mouth wide open for a minute
But his name isn't LeBron
end of story. First you get the hype, then you get the top ten. How many blocks has Turiaf had that deserved to be on the Top 10 and/or block of the night that didn’t get there because Dwight Howard blocked some rookie PG careening down the lane?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 12, 2008 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
well
superstars definitely get more “top 10” highlights on sportscenter. a fair amount are lame attempts to get some name recognition in the top ten. but there are some good reasons (besides ratings) for that. lebron for one, looks like he’s floating when he plays basketball. they could fill that segment with lebron highlights (as they often do) and i am fine with it. the guy’s incredible to watch. it’s not every superstar that gets that treatment. duncan doesn’t, yao doesn’t. it’s the guys who have the physical tools to make plays that are kind of impressive look super impressive.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
+1
Couldn’t agree more – it is ridiculous how much they exaggerate plays from players like Lebron when someone like Belinelli doesn’t get enough credit for more amazing plays like the shot from behind the backboard or the assists to Turiaf and CJ.
+1
See above.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 12, 2008 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
thats it
this site is horrible. everybody who comments on this sight is so un-informed and everybody always jumps the gun on two games with who ever just had a decent game. marco got his points when the game was over.it was Garbage time points cmon!!!!..morrow is way more of an asset than marco will ever be.not to mention cory is hurt so that explains why marco is playing AT ALL.And Buike is a way better than marco will ever be he has had three years to prove that. And that as****e who said he would take morrow/marco over jack and buike im over this horrible site and these horribly un-informed fans!
by AP DIDDY on Dec 11, 2008 2:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Jackson is a cancer
He is the classic Antoine Walker type cancer, the ball movement stops every time he touches the ball. If I coached against him I’d want him to shoot 3’s everytime, like teams bait Marion into doing. He’s shooting +/-30% and leads the league in turnovers. He’ll look away after he passes the ball to make it seem like it was some awesome highlight pass, but most of the time it’s a turnover anyway. If he decided to post up smaller guards and play in the post, or just focus on defense and only shoot 6-7 times a game ala Bruce Bowen I’d love to have him, but his ego is way too big for that role.
As for Buike, I don’t know why he’s not finishing around the rim like he did last year, but he’s not, and it appears to have given him some kind of complex thats making him force attempts.
technically, if you do the math, 30% from 3 is like shooting 45% from 2. Jack’s also 2nd in turnovers to Wade – but he’s tied for 10th overall in turnovers per minute played and leads the team in assists.
i hate to even use the word – having had family members with this very serious disease, it’s just inappropriate imo. he is not a “cancer”. a ball stopper yes – but he’s not a black hole like KAz or Maggette. and he’s still one of our best and most versatile defenders. he’s always pumping the crowd at home and encouraging the young guys. he doesn’t always play smart, but he usually plays hard. all his faults are not new – and despite his faults and moments that aggravate us all, he’s still one of our better, tougher and more passionate players.
btw on buike. according to the stats, he’s finishing the same from last year. he hasn’t finished well at key points in the last two games – maybe that’s fresh in your mind and skewing your opinion there.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
everybody who comments on this sight is so un-informed and everybody always jumps the gun on two games with who ever just had a decent game.
or we are just fans… which is short for fanatic.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
it's somewhere in the middle of the two
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
dude.....
speaking of uninformed apparently u missed the garbage time that Marco played was not garbage time, he played the entire 4th and started the 4th in a close game. He was amazing, you are trippin dude!!
by bigshotbob05 on Dec 12, 2008 2:47 AM PST up reply actions
Then shut the f*ck up.
If you can’t write a grammatically correct sentence then you shouldn’t even comment. You’re an ignorant fool. If you don’t care do discuss basketball with true fans then don’t waste your time. Go be a bitter person some place else.
There are those of us who agree with your sentiment
We’re just few and far between. Come back if you find a more informed and patient blog, but this is really the best out there… You got your fools who jump up and down every time a rookie makes a FT during summer league (not calling out anyone in particular), and you’ve got your statheads, and guys like me who don’t think we should read too much into Marco’s recent performances for the reasons you cite (Cory being injured, Monta being injured, it being garbage time for half of the 4th quarter… though he did start the 4th in a close game… that’s gotta mean something, right?). Keep your head up.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 12, 2008 6:55 AM PST up reply actions
epic fail
AP DIDDY, you’re a moron.
everybody who comments on this sight is so un-informed and everybody always jumps the gun on two games with who ever just had a decent game.
Followed by
morrow is way more of an asset than marco will ever be.
And you’re basing Morrow being asset off of…wait for it…two great games he had. Here’s what I recommend: start your own blog, and stick to your “i’m over this horrible site” and never return. One less idiota.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
haha...
okay first of all in 14 games morrow is averaging 15 POINTS A GAME!.. in the SAME amount of games Marco has averaged 4points a game!..HAHAHA idiot..in 14 games he has showed waayy more consistentcy than marco has in TWO YEARS!.. you proved my point about this website IDIOTA!
AP DIDDY, If you are comparing Morrow and Belinelli by their points per game which I believe to be an inferior way of comparing players’ numbers to field goal %, you must take into account minutes played per game.
Morrow has played 22.4 Minutes per game this season and scored 11.1 points per game. This means he has scored 0.49 points per minute.
Belinelli, on the other hand has scored 4.5 points per game in 9.5 minutes per game. This means he has scored 0.47 points per minute.
These statistics show that the different in points per game in very marginal when considering minutes played.
Anyway, in terms of field goal percentage, Belinelli has shot 53% while Morrow has shot 46%. The difference between the two in that statistic is more than marginal, although it isn’t a very big sample size but then again, neither is points per game.
I thought you were over it?
35 points in game 1, 0 points in game 2 = HE IS AVERAGING 15 POINTS PER GAME!!!!!!!!!!
Please leave.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
I don't think...
…there are a ton of people who think Marco is going to outplay Jackson on a consistent basis. I have a feeling this proclamation may be the result of some frustration that this is just piling on top of.
I was pleasantly suprised...
…that Nellie did not remove Belinelli in the second half after missing two shots in a row. There was a timeout right after the misses, and I was surprised to see Marco returning to the floor. But considering everyone was hurt, and the outside shots were not falling, I’m not sure who else should have played. I just wonder if Marco still would have gotten minutes if Maggette was healthy.
I was very close to calling Marco a ‘bust’ but his recent play has been encouraging. Those who are only commenting on the last two games have not seen his marked improvement the past month or so, even when it did not translate into the score sheet. The game seems to have slowed down for Marco, and he is a much better ball handler and passer than anyone has given him credit for. His D the past two games has been solid, but let’s wait a few more before putting him on the all-defensive team.
This is
What he looked like against the in the preseason game I went to. Great ball handling and calm the whole time he’s doing no look passes and hitting open jumpers. He might be most improved if he gets more pt.
The pop ups on this site are starting to piss me off.
i've always been a fan
i’m glad that it looks like he’ll be able to get some more playing time soon. his passing skills have impressed me, and his defense has really impressed me. i’d really love to see him get some minutes at pg
It's only been two games,
Don’t get your hopes up. I like Belinelli’s talent and heart, but he has been extremely inconsistent. All of a sudden when someone has a breakout performance, somebody HAS to make a post explaining why they all along were supporting that certain player, this means nothing. It shows Belinelli has more confidence, and I hope he continues to play like this, but he will still be a bench warmer until he can consistently prove himself, even if that is in garbage time.
You can't be inconsistent when you don't get consistent minutes...
That being said, it’s still only two games. I have been a big Marco supporter (see signature) but I’ll wait a few more games, or even a month, to say “told ya so!”
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 11, 2008 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
keep Marco!!!!!!!
keeep Marco! he is better than Morrow, can pass, handle,and has a better b-ball game over all. Please trade maggete i dont think we need him trade his ass for gerald wallace.
marco is very good he handles the ball better than everyone on the team!!
by Golden state ''warrior'' on Dec 11, 2008 6:27 PM PST reply actions
why would the bobcats want to do that?
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
because the bobcats dont kmow what their doind they trafed richardson for two chumps
by Golden state ''warrior'' on Dec 11, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
i'm not saying i wouldn't like a maggette for wallace deal
i think wallace is the better player. but so does everyone else in the league, so the warriors would probably have to throw in another player or a pick as well, and not someone who’s buried on the bench like marcus williams, or someone who is not very projectable, like kurz. gonna have to be someone like belinelli (but they have morrison and carroll who do the same things as his), wright (who they traded to the warriors in the first place, so who knows how they feel about him), or randolph (i would not trade him under like 90% of circumstances).
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Marco is a team player and has good defense
and as bob said “Marco is more than a catch and shoot player”
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
actually, what’s funny is he’s pretty bad at catching and shooting which is more Morrow’s forte. he’s good at that off balance stuff, but good at off balance jumpers over a course of 82 games is probably 40% shooting. notice how he’s a below average (for a 2 guard) from the FT line… which is more catch and shoot than it is off balance jumper.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
marco is going to be very good!!! you have to remember Marco was already a pro when he got drafted!! he has more expirience than all the young guys!!! he can creat his own shot! I say trade maggete and Brandan for a real PF like carlos Bozer
by Golden state ''warrior'' on Dec 11, 2008 7:13 PM PST reply actions
I'd keep Wright
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
yeah, but he was an average pro (in Italy). below average if you consider he did nothing else but score.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
why would the jazz want to do that?
they wouldn’t. stop proposing unrealistic trades.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
realistic would be theyd do it for kirilenko, to get rid of his mosnter contract… i like kirilenko but i hate his contract
i would trade b wright and maggs for kirilenko
i think you would need to add another player for the dollars to match and i dont think that maggs is asloan kind of player.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
sounds more accurate
but i agree with rach, it would probably be more like maggette, wright and someone like belinelli. i haven’t looked at the dollar figures specifically, however, just a guess.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
i got the trade machine to do mags, bwright, buke, marcus williams 4 kirilenko/millsap
for whats its worth lol.
im honestly more for dumping mags for expiring contracts these days…. best ive heard (thats realistic) is to oklahoma city 4 joe msith (or wilcox), desmond mason. you may ask y the thunder want it, but when u see how bad they r, they could use anything. They have no scoring behind durant, they wont get a marquee free agent in 2010, and have lots of cap space. westbrook, mags, durant, green, wilcox looks like a respectable nba lineup and 1 capabl of not the worst record in nba history lol.
this will give us cap room to get a free agent we NEED not another swing man…. boozer would be a dream but he wont come here (he’ll go to miami if he leaves) i dont really want marvin williams, There is andrew bynum but he seems unsignable too. but i would take drew gooden, rasheed wallace, or lamar odom at a REASONABLE price. IF bwright continues to progress, theres also the option of an energy guy like david lee, brandon bass, jason maxiell, or paul millsap. ALL who could be attained at midlevel exception. Mike Bibby and of course my little dream, jason kidd BACK to the bay if we want a pg and arent in osition to draft a good one (stephen curry, ricky rubio, brandon jennings).
i realize some of players i listed r old, but all things considered… warriors r so young, adding an exerienced peice on a 2 year deal would not be a bad thing for the younger players developement and for our entertainment value
by Warriors510 on Dec 12, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
sorry
they aren’t going to just “throw in” millsap. he’s a pretty good player, better than kirilenko in some respects.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
definitely but if we “Throw in” bwright, buke they;d have to…. sorry mags, buke, bwright, marcus williams for kirilenkos whale of a contract isnt fair for warriors side…. millsap comes in and its a decent trade… but it alll just fantasy so w/e
but that's my point
millsap is pretty untouchable. it doesn’t matter what we throw in, really. he isn’t a “throw-in”. he’s young, cheap and productive. once boozer leaves, he’ll start at pf and be very good.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
milsap
isn’t going anywhere. there’s a decent shot he’s starting at pf if boozer goes next year and is playing really well. he’s a good defender, which is one of the reasons they like him so much over there. when you’ve got boozer and okur in the low post, it’s nice to see a guy who can come in and guard people. something boozer has never been all that interested in.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
too many buzz-killers in here
why don’t we just let people have their hope and excitement? after a long losing skid some fans just wanna feel good about something. reality, good or bad, will hit us soon enough.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
wasn't he like 20-21 when he got drafted?
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
call me...
a wet blanket, kill joy, party pooper.
marco played well; he saw the court well and made plays. but come on guys, it is only 2 games and against thunder and bucks??? they are not exactly heavy weights.
ok. chalk one up for small victories. I hope macro can continue his play against the rockets, especially against battier & gang.
bucks r ok. I think warriors r better but not by much, especially w/o monta. Both teams have the same record.
Redd, jefferson r legitimate all star players… bogut is a quality center, they got some other peices… I wouldnt call them amazing but bellinelli was gaurded w/ legitimate players..
eitherway i hope nellie gives him a string of games like he gave morrow to get into a rythym see how he’s doing.
by Warriors510 on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
But the Key is Marco will not be a Black Hole
Nellie seems to have transformed him into a player that will focus on his defense and let his offense come in the flow of the game. Lets see how he plays against Alston/Head on Friday. I would prefer him to play minutes as a back up point guard because he plays better D than Crawford and gives a different look.
But the Key is Marco will not be a Black Hole
no, he’s a white hole.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 11, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Marco reminds me of..
sasha " THE MACHINE" vujacic because both didnt really get playing time until they started defending better, but i think Marco is a better ball handler and shooter. I know its only been 2 games, but his defense is definitely improving and also confidence. I hope he keeps it up!
sasha " THE MACHINE" vujacic
Is that the sensitive boy?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 11, 2008 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
he reminds me more of gionobili (albiet FAR comparison) or rudy fernandez. He can make plays, drive etc. He’s not just a shooter, like vujacic. I doubt he’ll ever reach gionobili’s level, but in terms of ‘style of play’ its a fair comparson. Marco is a year younger than fernandez, and probably could have benefited from another season in europe, or of Playing time in general. He is still raw and has alot to learn, but I hope he plays more than morrow, as i see more upside.
until mags comes back (and i assume Bwright is gonna play tonight) lets try this rotation…..
watson 28 mins
crawford 36
jackson 38
bwright 30
biedrins 36
—
bellinelli 20
morrow 10
buke 12
randolph 10
turiaf 20
give or take whatever, i’d like bellinelli to start, but watson has had a very hot hand. I dont like turiaf or buke as starters… both r energy guys IMO
by Warriors510 on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
but I hope he plays more than morrow, as i see more upside.
I get the opposite impression. Morrow makes the game look easy and Bellanelli makes it look hard. Morrow looks like he’s playing from the heart while Marco looks like he’s reading sheet music.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 12, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
i would replace bwright with buike
i would like to see
bellie
morrow
randolph
bwright
turiaf
i know that that line has potential to have alot of defensive break downs that could cause nellie to have a stroke but it would exciting to see bellie and morrow droping j’s and the big guys blocking 5 shots a piece.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
I’ve been hoping he would be a Vujacic-like player, Ginobili is too much to ask for, but Vujacic isn’t chopped liver. I agree his ball handling is better but I don’t see how anyone could say Vujacic is a worse shooter, at least from what we’ve seen.
no vujacic is a pure shooter, bellinelli isnt as good a shooter, but a better all around player. He dribbles, drives, distributes. i just dont see a comparison to vujacic.
he’s also got the ginobili awkward movements, lol
by Warriors510 on Dec 12, 2008 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
hendrix coming back???
so d. nelson went to bakers……. today maybe whe get our rebounder back!!???
by Golden state ''warrior'' on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 PM PST reply actions
i think 1 other point about bellinelli is he’s kind of a rythym player. Up till now he hasnt had confidence he’ll remain on court, and looks either lost or tries to do too much. I’m not saying that justifies an extended period of minutes but think of jack… he’s a definite rythym player he needs to stay out extended minutes to get flowing. I hope nellie exeriments and gives marco some extended runs…. on the court of 10 minutes at a time 17-20 minutes or more depending on performance.
marco
belinelli is a rich man’s jiri welsh. and that is not a compliment. release him and move on.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
Marc Jackson said Belinelli was best defended on both teams in last nights game
did anyelse hear him say that. That shows how much he has improved and he was gaurding mcgrady. even though he did not shoot great last night he moved the ball well played Defense. Before last nights game he was shooting 50% from the floor, sooner or later your gona have a bad shooting night. if he gets same minutes tonite i would expect a good game out of him. morrow played well last night though.
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 13, 2008 2:37 PM PST reply actions
did anyelse hear him say that.
That was sarcasm
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2008 2:50 PM PST reply actions
Sarcasm?
no it wasnt sarcasm he was serious. he applauded his agressive effort and tough defense. The whole time i seen him play D it was good except a few possessions in the fourth
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 13, 2008 4:52 PM PST reply actions
Marc Jackson also said
“unstoppable baby” during a 30 point loss
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2008 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i think he meant Mark Jackson
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
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