Dear Warriors Fans
by kayenta66 on Dec 12, 2008 12:35 PM PST
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- I believe that we have set are expectations to high this year to start. This team was not going to the playoffs in the west, although the west in general is weaker this year than last.
- How can you expect consistency from Morrow, Belli, Wright if they dont get consistent minutes doesnt make sense.
- Double standards plague this team how can you talk about Belli and watson defense but you see crawford, jackson and maggs relaxing on D every other possesion. Jackson is overrated on defense in my opinon now.
- Also Don Nelson should know Maggs is almost undersized at the sf position let alone he shouldnt be playing the 4 he just doesnt change his defense matchups regardless but than chastizes his players for bad defense.
But overrall the warriors look to have a bright future depending on how we draft and trade players. I do agree with most people we need to trade a guard or maggs nstead of a big man per se i would try to get a charlie v type of guy who can play multiple big positions. The warriors have talent through out there team besides Kurz so the future should be bright but depends on the GM moves.
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I agree...
…although it’s somewhat well traveled territory.
by Zack Vank on Dec 12, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agree, especially about Maggs
We need to trade him, Jack, or Jamal. Maggs is the worst fit for us. I’m also under the impression that we dont need to trade him for a big piece. I think that we should trade him for expiring contracts and use this year to build up team chemistry and the youth. A good trade is one that I’ve been pushing for awhile now. You send Maggette to OKC for Joe Smith and Desmond Mason. They both have 1 year left and the salaries work. You get vets that can just be coaches in the locker room essentially, and if needs be they can play. Don’t know why OKC wouldn’t go for it. They don’t really use those guys. Wlkins becomes the 6th man Maggs starts at the 3. Sounds good for both squads.
by myk on Dec 12, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we did that we would still go like 9-10 deep and stil be good.
Monta Crawford Jack Wright and Biedrins start Turiaf is the relief big man, he can be used in tandum with Dre or BWright. Watson, Buike, Belli, and Morrow are the other back ups. We stay competitive and we develop the future. And we can use Randolph whenever,
by myk on Dec 12, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm dominating this post but...
I would personally love to see Maggette’s minutes split amongst Wright Belli and Morrow. Keeps us competitive, lets us see what we have for the future, and we develop them. That is the best case scenario for our team both now and in the future
by myk on Dec 12, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is sending expiring contracts for Maggs, not now, not before 2010. We might get a prospect and a bad contract or not particularly good contract (like he has) in a player who is a better fit, but expiring contracts in the next two years are worth more than Maggs is to all but the tiniest number of teams. The value of expiring contracts in the next couple of years is one of the reasons that the Jax extension and the Harrington/Crawford swap were particularly moronic. Neither helped much if any short term. Both handicapped us longer term.
by jae on Dec 12, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But what if we include Randolph and Azibuike?
Do you think we can pick up a mid level prospect and some other things. Something like this: Memphis for Buckner, Jaric or Walker, and Warrick and a conditional first rounder.
I’m not saying that trade in particular,but do you think something similar to that is out of the realm of possibility?
Im thinking the Webber to Philly trade, where they got back 3 decent players that were all slightly over paid and not expiring but Pietrie’s reasoning was it was easier to get rid of smaller pieces than Webber’s bloated contract.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 12, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Jaric
if they throw in Alba
by antihero on Dec 12, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's Alba?
After thinking it over, it would be a much better deal to scrap the first rounder and Jaric and take Walker’s expiring contract.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 12, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have done a 180 on the Crawford deal.
Seeing as the Jaxson deal was already done, cap space was gone and no longer a factor and we did pick up a decent player. I hav been really impressed with him really making a conscience effort to be a intiator on the offense of late. The sample size is small but I have been impressed. The offense before OKC was unbearable and he really has been passing up shots trying to get other people going. JC might possibly be a savior to our offense.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 12, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a huge fan of Crawford personally, so I don’t quite see it the same way. My issue was that Harrington was an asset as an expiring contract. New York liked him for that reason. What we got back was a player who I don’t really rate as a significant upgrade in talent, so we unloaded our asset without an overall improvement in the team. We got back a player who is unlikely to figure into long term plans, who has very likely shown the max of his abilities and nothing else, nothing to help build with. If we’re taking extra years in salary to help out someone else in the ‘clear it for 2010’ sweepstakes, we should have tried to exploit a pick in the deal.
Crawford wasn’t the savior of some terrible Knicks offenses in the past. It’s possible that he’ll be different here, but history does not favor it.
by jae on Dec 12, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The last line by me was a joke,
just a pun that I thought of at the last second and I thought some people would find amusing. When Baron opted out, I wanted to get a mid chip player and sign Beidrins, Ellis, and Azibuike to descaling contracts and let Harrington and Jackson expire and try and make our big splash in 2 years in the free agent market and at the same time let our youngster develop. Obviosly it didnt work out that way. At the time of the Harrington trade, our dream of cap space was already shot to hell(can’t remeber if Jackson had signed his extension yet, but it was imminent and should be counted) so getting the best player available or atleast an intresting prospect was the only way left to go.
As far Crawford goes, he does look like a viable backcourt option with Ellis. He play has shown that hecan score and recently look to create other to various degrees of success. However you felt about the trade, whats the best way forward from here. I think we all agree the Maggette expirement is already a failure in so many ways and has to go. The only way we move him is if we package him with Wright or Randolph. While Wright is the better player Randolph has more potential(theres everyones favorite word again). Since cap space is shot for the next 3 years(with or without Maggette) lets see if we can get back a couple of decent role players and mid chip prospect or first round pick.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 12, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never envisioned us having cap room, but Harrington’s contract might have been valuable to someone else hoping to get cap room. The plan would have been to trade him for some combination of contracts with a somewhat longer life to them. In return for taking on the baggage to help someone else clear cap space, we’d demand picks and/or young players. We didn’t get that. We gave away the value of Harrington for a player who doesn’t factor into any building plan.
Maggette isn’t working out, but any time a deal starts with “he has to go” you tend to get burned on the deal. The Warriors have forced themselves into a waiting game. When you are in a waiting game, rushing things for the sake of making a move is never a good idea.
by jae on Dec 12, 2008 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Never thought of it that way,
I always thought of Harrington as a decent player and was so distraught by the panic Maggette signing. Didnt see the obvious that Harrington as both a decent player and an expiring is alot more worht to another team than his play.
Very true about Maggette trade speculation. I just dont understand how anybody can outbid themselves on two 30’s year old players that play the same postion and hand them a 5 year contract and 3 year extension on top of 2 years left. Truly mind boggling.
What we can conclude is that we will be in this ridiculuos stage of worst playoff team or best lottery team for the next 3 years or longer.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 12, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trades
trading Maggette for a ‘charlie v’ type of guy cant happen. The only wat we can move Maggette is willing to part with Azibuike and Randolph like package to sweeten the deal. And I would be all for a trade like that espicilly if we can get a decent 4 to backup Wright and a expiring and a first rounder.(that would be my dream trade)
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 12, 2008 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
I think with Turiaf and Wright we dont need to trade for a 4. Although in my trade proposal we would get Joe Smith, so that works for you, maybe?
by myk on Dec 12, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bucks already have a team full of scorers; they're starting Mbah a Moute because they don't need another scorer in the lineup
by antihero on Dec 12, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would work for me,
something that i have been kicking around the ol’ noggin is Toronto for Bargnani and Jermaine Oneal. But even Magg, Randolph, Buike, and MWilliams dont come close to coming near that albatross of contract tha JOneal has.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need a pf, we have BWright
Wright is not a power forward he’s a weak forward.
Till I get free
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 12, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess...your real job is that of a motivation speaker!
by smearthebeard on Dec 13, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
.your real job is that of a motivation speaker!
no, fact checker
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 13, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maggs isn't undersized at SF he's HUGE.
if you are just referring to height then he’s about average i’d say. but height isn’t everything, look at elton brand (well not this year zinnng!)
by HoLdEmUP on Dec 12, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
in regards to the defense aspect
it’s not so much Morrow or Belinelli’s bad defense. Nellie has shown he’s willing to live with Morrow’/CJs bad d to an extent.
it’s that they are missing assignments or are not following the game plan.
Nellie and Crawford’s teammates at least know that Crawford is probably going to rotate correctly and handle the opposing team’s play a certain way – with some of the younger guys, you don’t get that sense. they forget more often than vets when to do things like bump or hedge which is instinct (for the vets). or they don’t react as quickly.
you’re right, jack’s effort on d has dipped (seeing maggette?), but he’s usually where he’s supposed to be, doing what he’s supposed to do. actually, in terms of pure effort on d, marco has been one of the best. but he seems to forget his responsibilities and/or how they were going to defend a certain play.
anyway, this is not a new phenomenon – it’s one of the big reasons why young teams tend to struggle in the NBA.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
let's make a list
1. lost BD
2. monta injured
3. harrington wants out
4. jackson/maggette/wright/turiaf/azubuike miss games
5. tough schedule
summary:
If you thought we were gonna make the playoffs this year after not making it last year and making the 8th seed, i wished for that too, but “we believe” can’t go on false hope. Maybe a coaching change would/wouldn’t help (show me an nba team that’s made GOOD progress after firing their coach?) But besides from that, for those who’ve jumped the we believe bandwagon, we’ll let you jump back off. As for you true warrior fans, we gotta carry our team back up, like we did throughout the playoff run.
by seven72deuce on Dec 15, 2008 9:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not dissapointed
with our performance. It’s tough and disappointing to transition from a winning season to a losing one, but I’m not disappointed with any coach or player (except maybe Harrington. and, uhh, baron.).
by bradyk2 on Dec 15, 2008 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If someone told you
sacrifice 2 years for 10 years of glory, would you say no?
I think dumping Baron Davis was CLEARLY the right choice. Clippers are HORRIBLE, they make the Warriors look like champs! They are loaded with vets oh and the fizzled BEARD!
Again take a night off, watch some Sharks if you cant handle it. I am loving watching youth develop. Look at how far Bellineli has come. We got a bunch of young guys getting valuable playing time thats going to pay off later on down the line. Remember when Azabuike barely got any minutes? Look at him now.
You cant just throw someone to the Wolves, you gotta bring them on slowly.
by sjboy on Dec 16, 2008 8:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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