Disgusted...
by Fantasy Junkie on Dec 15, 2008 11:18 PM PST
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I'm not trying to steal Hash's thunder and this is by no means a recap. This is simply me, a keyboard, and some frustration.
I went to the game tonight.
I left the game after the 3rd quarter ended (I considered leaving at halftime).
I've never left a game early until watching the team tonight.
It was bad. Real bad. Disgustingly bad basketball. So bad it hurt my eyes to watch and made me sick to my stomach. I had to leave. Had to get out of that atmosphere. I just could not watch anymore. Never felt that way before. Have I hit bottom?
It's a weird feeling leaving before the game is over. There's no crowd pushing their way to get out of the doors. There's nobody in your way walking across the skybridge towards BART. There's nobody on the roads as you head towards 880. It was lonesome and quiet, but oddly satisfying. It was something I had to do. I couldn't sit there and force myself to watch garbage. When my favorite team puts out such a poor effort, I don't need to sit there and watch. It was too painful for me to take. I left with a bitter taste in my mouth.
What made me disgusted? Hit the jump.
Just a few notes from the game and reasons I left early.
- Martin Gortat outplaying Biedrins in the first half. Offensive rebounds galore. Dunks. What a joke. Biedrins numbers looked great but when the opposing team's backup center plays just as well, it doesn't mean anything.
- First few possessions, Biedrins driving the lane and turns the ball over two times in a row. First a pass to Stephen Jackson that was about 8 feet off and went into the stands. Reason? He jumped to make the pass and guess who wasn't there? Next time down he turns it over again on what? Another pass where he jumps in the air before passing. In fact, this is a plague that's hit almost all the Warriors. Jumping before you pass is a big no no. Little kids know this. Why don't our players know this?
- CJ Watson has no idea how to run a fast break. 3rd quarter, a 4 on 2 break with the ball in CJ's hands in the middle of the court. We wind up with an off balance, wild layup miss by Jamal Crawford. CJ dished the ball way too early and passed before the defender stopped him. This isn't the first time he's done this. Numerous times in previous games he's completely screwed up a routine fast break.
- The Jamal Crawford - Ronny Turiaf 2 man game is just not successful. Please stop. That was a painful 24 second shot clock violation.
- Boxing out. Try it. A 2 on 3 break by the Magic - the Warriors had numbers. The Magic miss the layup and there are 3 Warriors in the paint. Oh but here comes Rashard Lewis in for the offensive board and tip. It would have helped to box him out. In fact, it helps to find a man and box him out when the other team shoots the ball.
- Do we have any offensive plays? If it's not someone who doesn't have the skills to go 1 on 1 but thinks they do, it's this lame pick and roll that nobody on the team can run.
- Honestly, it's the first time I wanted to go down and yell at Nellie. Does this team practice any sort of fundamentals? Teach them Nellie. Coach them. They are a poorly coached team with no discipline. They don't know how to play. They're not the most talented but they are basketball players but none of them know how to play fundamentally sound basketball. It's sad. I don't care nearly as much about the rotation patterns, Nellie knows what he's doing there. But my goodness, go back to basics and teach these guys how to play.
- Belinelli had a very nice offensive game, but man was he bad on D. He's too weak, got pushed around, and could barely fight through screens.
- Speaking of bad D, anyone else find it oddly funny that when the crowd chants "DE-FENSE," the team has no idea what it means? It really seemed like every time the crowd chanted "DE-FENSE" the Magic scored.
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Equally disgusted...
I hear all these silly cliches that the team needs to focus, play like a team, share the rock, play with more intensity. That’s not it at all. This roster straight up doesn’t have the talent to compete. The vets are miscast, the young “talent” is too raw and overrated, and its saturated with D-Leaguers and players no one else wanted.
I’m not saying Nellie is perfect, but it’s not his fault when these guys can’t even make a proper inbounds pass, don’t box out, make silly turnovers, and don’t even know the plays. This roster just isn’t good enough and the collective hoops IQ is extremely. Half of these guys don’t belong in the NBA right now and some probably won’t last that much longer.
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 15, 2008 11:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the collective hoops IQ is extremely low.
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 15, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly the point but...
That is exactly what a Coach is for. Put the players in the right position at the right time. Put in the right player at the right point in the game.
When a player is shooting GOD AWFUL ( Stephen Jackson, Azubuike, Crawford?) get them out of the game!!! How hard is that. Thats called coaching. Its not the players fault. There is alot of talent on the team that isn’t being utilized correctly.
When Nelson was asked in a recent interview about Stephen Jacksons shooting woes…. he responded by saying “Jackson is my guy. I won’t take him out of the game. We are setting up gameplans for this team together. He’s my guy”
Are you kidding me?
Bye Nelson…. Yes to Keith Smart. PLEASE!!!!
by Gurthy on Dec 15, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also...
did u see that lineup the 3rd quarter? omg it was TERRRRRIBLEEEE
where were wright and randolph? where were having 2-3 big guys in at once? ugh…small ball doesnt work…it kinda works with the RIGHT PLAYERS…which we dont have this season, especially with ellis hurt…
WE WANT AVERY
or barnett :P
or MICHAEL JORDAN LOLOL
by DeepS on Dec 15, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not buying it
Nellie watches these guys in practice. He knows what they can do. Unless you attend Warriors practices (I don’t go), you can’t really make the argument that other guys have this mythical untapped talent.
He’s somewhat stuck- his vets aren’t good enough to be better than a 4th option on a winning team and his young players don’t have clue. At least his vets know the plays and don’t make as many silly mistakes I guess.
Keith Smart? You mean that guy whose only head coaching experience is a 9-31 run with the pre-Lebron Cavs? What evidence is there that he can do a better job than Nellie?
Head coaches don’t develop players in this league. It’s on the individual players to work their youknowwhat off in practice and in the offseason. The best coaches in this league aren’t famous for developing young players- Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Larry Brown, and Don Nelson. In fact they’re all famous for being tough on clueless young players (which is what we have here) and playing to win every single night. Of these guys Nellie has had the very least in terms of talent to work with.
The other good coaches like Avery Johnson, Eddie Jordan, Sam Mitchell, and Flip Saunders aren’t exactly famous for “developing” players either.
It’s not the coach. It’s the silly personnel decisions this team has made following the Spring of 2k7.
Absolutely disgusting.
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 15, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
a novel idea on personnel decisions
can we try to get a roster that includes guys who don’t need the ball in their hands constantly to be succesful? maybe one distributor? a wing defender?
this is painful. how does a team fumble and botch a roster this badly? it was like the management strategy was just “hey, that guy’s 20ppg scorer. let’s go get him!” without any regard for how to build a basketball team that is either capable of winning games or is at least fun to watch. people have been hoping for trades, but unless we get a 7 team trade going that ships out all of our selfish, me-first scorers and gets some guys who can play a role on team team besides “kobe imitator minus the skill,” this team isn’t going anywhere. it doesn’t matter who is coaching it.
hold on, let me get get back to wishful thinking. got it.
just wait, when monta comes back, it’s a whole new team. they’ll come together and learn to pass and someone will rebound besides andris. playoffs here we come!
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 16, 2008 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with your first sentence
well said.
by HoLdEmUP on Dec 16, 2008 2:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just wait, when monta comes back, it’s a whole new team. they’ll come together and learn to pass and someone will rebound besides andris. playoffs here we come!
Dude, calmly put down the hash… step away from the pipe.
You’ve got to know when to cut yourself off.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 16, 2008 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thoroughly enjoyed reading that one
You’re spot on. The guys who develop talent are the players themselves and their skills coaches (to a lesser extent). There’s very little time to practice during the season, and there’s never any time for the head coach to go over to Anthony Randolph and take an hour to actually TEACH him some pointers. The best coaches know what talents they have on the team, they know what the opponents strengths/weaknesses are and how to exploit them, and they put their teams in the best position to get a W. End of story.
I do have one minor point of contention, though:
Avery Johnson – Inherited one of the most talented teams in the league. 3 years later, now where is he?
Eddie Jordan – Career 229-278 record.
Sam Mitchell – Career 150-182 record.
Flip Saunders – Lucked into coaching KG for the first 10 years, then lucked into a talented Detroit Pistons squad.
None of these guys should be considered “good coaches”.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 16, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The guys who develop talent are the players themselves and their skills coaches (to a lesser extent). There’s very little time to practice during the season, and there’s never any time for the head coach to go over to Anthony Randolph and take an hour to actually TEACH him some pointers. The best coaches know what talents they have on the team, they know what the opponents strengths/weaknesses are and how to exploit them, and they put their teams in the best position to get a W. End of story.
Very astute observation.
Avery Johnson – Inherited one of the most talented teams in the league. 3 years later, now where is he?
Eddie Jordan – Career 229-278 record.
Sam Mitchell – Career 150-182 record.
Flip Saunders – Lucked into coaching KG for the first 10 years, then lucked into a talented Detroit Pistons squad.
I think it’s a little unfair to bring up Jordan and Mitchell’s overall records since they’ve had to deal with tons of injuries (Jordan) and a bad rosters (at least early on for Mitchell). It seems like we both agree that these aren’t upgrades over Nellie.
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 16, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What we need are upgrades on everything
I agree that Nellie’s crazy schemes don’t mesh with the team as it is. This is why I’m learning to respect Phil Jackson more and more. Sure he’s had extreme talent, but he makes his teams style and his coaching style fit his teams talents. He doesn’t try to fit a square peg into a round hole like Nellie seems to be doing.
I’m fine with not faulting them for having bad teams, but if you’re removing those portions of their coaching legacies, you’re left with very little data, and selectively chosen data at that. It’s like you’re the FDA approving Pfizer’s next miracle drug ;-). We can call the jury still out on Mitchel and Jordan if you like.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 16, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize...
…that all of us, especially being members of a tortured group such as Warriors fans, have certain ideals and perspectives that we hold fast with; I was a fan of the Richardson trade and am comparably disgusted with the lack of Wright’s PT, this year especially. You, Atma, are quite the opposite for both your faith in Nelson as a coach, and your love for Richardson and subsequent disgust in Warriors ownership and management. I don’t begrudge either of us our opinions, but I think at times the tide of opinion that beats away at all of us (you moreso understandably, since you have a more vocal platform) can lead us to shoot down criticisms (in my case Wright or Mullin, in your case Nelson) of the people we’re defending without addressing the full picture.
So in the interests of good will, I’m willing to concede that at this point, given Baron Davis’ flight from Golden State, and given the lack of minutes Brandan Wright has played, the Richardson trade looks to have had a detrimental effect on the team. Given Monta’s breakout year a season ago, I’d be inclined to classify it more as a detriment to the culture and brotherhood of the team than to say it had a devastating on-court effect. Certainly, had we kept Richardson we wouldn’t be drowning in Crawford and Maggette with big deals right now, nor would Jackson have been extended, necessarily.
I’m also willing to concede that if Mullin was indeed the man who signed off on the Crawford deal instead of a Gerald Wallace one, and was also the one to ink Corey Maggette’s contract, than I would say definitively that he’s a failure in the free agent market. However, as I seem to recall, you’ve voiced support for Isiah Thomas on his seemingly lone strength; his draft abilities (I seem to recall you throwing up a front page link to an article somebody had written, that implied among other things that a racial bias played a role in keeping the media from referring to Thomas as a “genius” talent evaluator, if this wasn’t the thrust of your particular view, I apologize). I think Mullin and Thomas have been rather similarly starcrossed in their draft histories (I don’t view POB and Ike Diogu as being much worse than burning two picks the same year on Mardy Collins and Renaldo Balkman), but overall both deserve that credit for snagging those diamonds in the rough, or those potential packed youngsters. I at the very least think you ought to give Mullin that passing respect if you’re going to give it to Thomas.
As far as Don Nelson is concerned, I wouldn’t have put him on that short list you named of the league’s best coaches. I would’ve either bumped him, or added Popovich above him. And in my defense, I have no interest in Flip Saunders, Sam Mitchell, and Eddie Jordan. Avery Johnson I’d like, for a very simple reason; he’s an absolute demon about defense, which is what this team needs but hasn’t had in almost a quarter century.
I guess I’m writing this to try to probe a certain conversation out of you, Atma, and it’s like this… obviously you have a great deal of respect for Nelson, and in truth I do too. But when you look at what the job description of a coach is, shouldn’t a head coach be judged for both the skill and innovation of his offense, and the tenacity and consistency of his defense? As I imagine you might reply, it is true that the players are the ones on the court, but in the case of a man like Nelson who hasn’t coached what one would consider a good defensive team in nearly twenty-five years, regardless of the personnel- doesn’t that suggest that for all the history and innovation he’s wrought upon the league, that at his core, he’s not a legendary coach? Perhaps a good, even a great coach in his best days, but not the sort of man who’s name deserves to be thrown up with a guy like Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Greg Popovich or Jerry Sloan. Those guys have crafted team after team after team who’ve been solid if not exceptional on both sides of the ball. At the very least, I’d suggest that this seemingly inherent deficiency or lack of interest on Nelson’s part means he shouldn’t be looked at like those guys.
If Popovich or Phil Jackson were stalking our sidelines right now, I’d probably sound much like one of the people defending Nelson these days, insisting that the players have to make the plays, and that the coach’s record is beyond reproach and they’re making the most out of the roster. But when you’ve got a 68-year-old Nelson, who clearly has mulled retirement time and time again since leaving Dallas five years ago or so, and he’s in charge of a young, non-contending team with tons of young players and likely nowhere to go but up… I don’t trust him to turn us into a well rounded or truly exceptional team. I’ve never seen him do it (granted I’m too young to have any knowledge of his Milwaukee career, but that seems long enough ago as to be moot at this stage).
So, I guess my point is, given that history suggests pretty clearly we’ll never play a lick of defense with Nelson at the helm, isn’t Avery Johnson just a little tempting? Shouldn’t finding a new coach at least be a discussion?
by Zack Vank on Dec 16, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'ed
I thought this was really well put. Although I think the problem lies more in personnel at some point we should consider the role of management in our current failures. I think some of that is higher than Nellie, but I don’t think we should be avoiding the topic entirely.
by SkipT on Dec 17, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I understand why Nellie said that
Because he has to show confidence in his #1 guy and captain. If he doesn’t, if he displays any doubts about Jackson, then that doubt ripples through the team and destroys the team confidence.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 15, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This was my first game that I missed in over a year and a half,
I didnt mean to, but something came up and I couldnt watch it. I do got NBA Leauge Pass broadband, so I was planning on watching it late tonight, but wow the game thread and recaps made me check out the boxscore before I turned it on.
Observations that are PURELY made on looking at the boxscore only
-Jackson 3/14 fg’s to complement his his 4 turnovers, either Nellie is scared of hm or he really believes this is better than anything else he can get
-Kurz gets a DNP-CD. I’m definelty of the movement that we dont want to see this guy play and let the real future of this team develop, but Kurz has played well, and this is so mind boggling because…
-Randolph 2 mins played. Huh, whats going on?
-Crawford, Watson, Turiaf and Marco solid boxscore games, but this seems to have little bearing on outcomes of games
-Azibuike 2/14, nicely done brother. I am looking forward to him getting the ball and doing his best Maggatte impersontion. Dead serious, what are we looking at, past half court Buike might pass it once maybe twice a game.
-And to make the night complete Biedrins seems to have gotten out played by the powerhouse known as Marcin Gortat.
Well atleast now, I got a 18 pack of coors light big boys to help me enjoy this debacle…
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 16, 2008 12:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jack has ligament damage in his left hand and is playing anyway
Has a lot to do with his shooting struggles.
by Ben Q Rock on Dec 16, 2008 1:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins seems to have gotten out played by the powerhouse known as Marcin Gortat.
Hey, Gortat is the real deal. He’s strong( Barnett said his dad was a boxing champ) he’s got a good shot and lots of hustle. Just what a center should be. Notice Orlando keeps him despite having Dwight Howard, they know the value of big men. If we had Gortat he’d have been gone or at bakersfield now cause he’s not small ball material. Funny how they like big guys but also out shoot us from the 3 line with a little guy as well as school us on ball movement. Which team has the second most winning coach again?
Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 16, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i really dont think gorat owned him or anything considering that gorat had help with him down low…while beans had NONE…we were using 4 gaurds basically + beans…
by DeepS on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who was Gorat’s “help” down low? Rashard Lewis? Hedo Turkoglu? Those guys aren’t known for defense, they’re known for raining 3’s. And I know it wasn’t Jameer Nelson or Keith Bogans.
by Fantasy Junkie on Dec 16, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Battie got a good 20 minutes
And clearly focused on rebounding… just saying.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 16, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, but Gorat and Battie weren’t on the floor at the same time or else the Warriors would have never got a rebound.
by Fantasy Junkie on Dec 16, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with some stuff
-cj is terrible at running fast breaks
-and WE HAVE NO PLAYS
some of the other stuff i agree with and some no but who cares we suck
by HoLdEmUP on Dec 16, 2008 12:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
its time
Nellie has to go.
This is getting painful to watch.
by Aware1 on Dec 16, 2008 1:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love this place.
I’ve just got to tell you guys. Coming here, gives me comfort. it gives me a chance to read the frustration of my fellow fans. Yes, we suck. Yes, we can only hope for next year. Nellie needs to let randoph develop this year, cause there is no way, we are winning more than 30 games. If we even reach 20. I am hoping our starting front court will be. BEanz, wright, and Randolph, with monta and crawford in the back court….sigh…after we lost to the jazz in the play offs…it was all down hill from there….we had one peak…picked up all these bandwagon…fans…and look where we are…rock bottom…DO THE WARRIORS GO TO THIS WEBSITE. cuz if they dont, THEY SHOULD…they should start playing for us, THE MOTHER )($#)($#@)$* FANS. ROAR
by ez0es on Dec 16, 2008 2:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I WISH
we’d run wright/randolph/beans/crawford/ellis
but theres no way nelly will do it…I KNOW that lineup will be amazing…nelly needs to go
by DeepS on Dec 16, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
crawford monta
would get eaten alive by every backcourt in the nba. a couple undersized combo guards who aren’t exactly known for defense should not be a starting nba backcourt. it doesn’t make sense. they will have to play together from time to time, because the roster is terribly constructed, but it should happen as little as possible. unfortunately, despite our glut of wings, we don’t have any really good wing player, so maybe just giving up huge nights to the opposing guards is as best we can do. i hope not, but it’s possible.
and randolph is NOT ready to start. maybe next year, probably in two years, or if not then, probably not ever. don’t throw him to the wolves just yet. let him come off the bench and let him show that he can be a real nba player before saying that he should start. putting him in lineup might be a good idea if you just want to see him get some minutes, but it’s not a good one if you want to see the team win games.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 16, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont care about the W
the lineup im saying is the future…
let them play together and get chemistry with that lineup, it will dominate next year
and who the hell else is gunna start on our team? no one…we have no one thats truely ‘ready’ right now, we need to develope these guys they have a chance to be way better than the stupid lineups nelly used last night
3 bigs > 1 big
by DeepS on Dec 16, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, randolph might be the future, but he isn’t good at basketball now. let him earn his minutes. you can play him for a bit more than he’s earned based on a desire to see him develop, but giving him starters minutes now is a great way to either kill his confidence or let him stick with all the bad habits he’s got. he’s just not good enough yet. we can revisit this later in the year, but right now, he’s got to earn his time.
and why is crawford monta a good call in the backcourt? a total disaster on defense is just not a good idea. you need at least one guy who’s able to defend a shooting guard.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 16, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the future, what is Randolph going to be? Is he going to be more of a Tayshaun Prince guy, or some unholy combination of KG/CP3/Kobe with a little extra special sauce on the side?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 17, 2008 1:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely the latter. i’m sure of it.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 17, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If cap'n hack is sure of his future awesomenessocity
Then all we need to do is draft… well, whoever, cuz they’re gonna be playing with Anthony Freaking Randolph!!!! Seriously, he’s going to be so awesome we could pick up 14 guys out of the stands each night, they could even make a promotion out of it. You think Starbury will attend when we play the Knicks? It’d be hilarious if he won the raffle and had to play against his old team… I bet he’d light ’em up too.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 17, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love just about everything in this post...
I would still have to say Bellinelli was the most effective player on the court. You say he got bullied, well hey was giving up 3 inches to turk, who lives off of bumping and fading. Not saying Marco is a great defender, but he definitely was not the largest problem on D. Our worst defender at the moment is none other than CJ Watson. If maybe, just maybe, he could stop someone from driving all over him, then we would not have to be in help defense all the time. pulling beidrins away from the block is a big reason we are lacking in boards. Here are my points from the game:
1. S-Jax- your hurt physically, but your mentally screwing yourself too. You don’t have to do everything. Take a note from Stephan Curry from Davidson. If you have to stand in the corner and take zero shots the entire game to better your teams chances of winning… then do it. I am not saying Jax is the worst player on the court. But he is not utilizing his talents on defense, and he is trying to do way to much on offense. he is better as a spot up, not a creator.
2. CJ Watson- I love your jumper… I Hate your defense. Good defense starts with good one on one d. your closeouts suck, you get burned almost every time and you are causing us to play help defense whenever your in. Stop your man from penetrating and our defense board numbers will go up, and our stops will increase. (Crawford, Maggette- please read #2 and insert your name for CJ’s)
3. Azibuike- I love how no one even mentioned how horrible he was yesterday. His shot selection was horrible. He has all the tools to get to the paint but he wants to shoot floaters, leaners, and prayers. fast forward to late 3rd maybe early 4th quarter. azibuike drives, does a 180 jump, tries to correct himself mid air and hucks up a combination layout/skyhook. Man I love your game, but stay under control.
4. Nellie- Wake the F up. 3rd quarter you lost us the momentum and game when you play a lineup of CJ, Craw, Jax, Buike, Beidrins. Didn’t you remember the 1st quarter when that didn’t work. You have Randolph, BWright sitting as I have to watch CJ and Crawford getting beat repeatably, cause Buike and Beidrins to help leaving Jameer Nelson for 3 wide open 3’s (4th was contested) I don’t mind going small, but you have to have a defensive stopper up front to do that. (So in essence we should never go small).
5. Bwright- Hang in there- You deserved a much greater opportunity yesterday, and you continue to be a spark off the bench and most other times you are in. One of these years you will have Steady PT. (Not starting, but steady)
6. Offense- I touched on it already, but bad shot selection killed us. There is only one person on our team that can take anyone off the dribble, but he is hurt. We need to pick and roll, swing, and look inside for more open looks. It is not rocket science- it is like a 3rd grade math problem. In college I used to get pissed at myself when I solve a huge algebraic problem but mess up on addition. Just be under control and protect the ball, make the easy things work and you will be alright.
by shooter1525 on Dec 16, 2008 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did you do this
Post TMC era? Because it was alot worse than this.
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on Dec 16, 2008 10:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree, and have to add my 2 cents
When we’re going bad, the problems on this team tend to multiply.
1. we don’t have a leader point guard to be the coach on the floor. We’re really missing what Baron brought the last couple of years, but thats past.
We are so deep in 2’s and 3’s
1 2 3 4 5
M. Williams
CJ
Crawford
Ellis
Belinelli
Morrow
Azubuike
Jackson
Magette
Randolph
Wright
Kurz
Turiaf
Biedrins
We have to find someone to be the coach on the floor, playing the 1, and be a leadership presence on the floor.
Theres no guarantee that Monte can do that, but there is a possibility.
Theres a possibility that Crawford or Belineli can do that.
If one of these happens, hopefully we can discover that during the next part of the season. Without an effective leader on the floor, we’re going to continue losing.
The only aberation to this was the 4th quarter of our last win, when they collectively showed us such great ball movement, ball handling, driving, it was so enticing making us believe that they could do that regularly. If we don’t find a point guard among our players, including Ellis, then we have to make a trade, or find a collective way to do things like we did in that last win.
The worst part last night was when they constantly passed the ball into Turiaf and Biedrins, in bad position, where they can’t do anything about it, and it resulted in a bunch of Turiaf jump shots, which should be our 4th option, with the other players in there. I love Turiaf’s game, but I don’t think he should be taking those jump shots. Also those passes resulted in so many turnovers.
The 2nd thing that would improve our team the most, after a point guard, is a backup center, who plays the 5, and can bang with the big boys would be perfect. Turiaf should be our banging 4, rotating with Wright.
My favorite cheap acquisition would be to bring DJ Mbenga back. The dude is an athlete, and just hasn’t played much, growing up. We should bring in Dennis Rodman, and have him work with him, all we need is defense, putting the body on the biggest guys, and rebounding. He could spell Biedrins on occasion to guard the Shaqs. I know thats far fetched, last I knew he was on the Lakers, but I don’t see him on the roster.
by mayelamingi on Dec 16, 2008 12:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if we get...
1st or 2nd pick in the lottery we can geta really good point
by DeepS on Dec 16, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This post made it on ESPN's Tuesday Bullets
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-37-56/Tuesday-Bullets.html
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 16, 2008 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
leaving early?
what are you a lakers fan?
by rainman120 on Dec 16, 2008 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
You kidding? FJ and I used to go on the 2 for 1 specials together during the prime 1995-2004 suck years. I can honestly say that I don’t ever remember it being this bad and unwatchable.
We HATE the Fakers.
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 16, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense?
I was at the game last night as well. Just awful.
It struck me that for every other NBA team, when the crowd chants “DE-FENSE” it’s an act of encouragement.
With the W’s, it’s a reminder to the team
Sigh
by Play Bol on Dec 16, 2008 3:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
With the W’s, it’s a reminder to the team
more like a plea?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 16, 2008 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Stan Van Gundy and Marc Jackson went on a 3 minute laugh-fest when they heard that?
That literally had nothing else to talk about… it was kinda sad. Pissed me off that SVG kept saying “Don’t the fans know what they’re watching?” Yeah… that’s right Stan, we’re all idiots.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 17, 2008 1:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s right Stan, we’re all idiots.
some one’s gotta fill the seats.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 17, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually Jeff isn't it...
Stan’s the Ron Jeremy look alike. Right?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 17, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors vs. Rockets
That game was bad as hell, too. This team pisses me off, lol. It’s like they freakin SUCK to the maximum possible amount every game.
I miss 2007 where we would just RUN teams out of the building, and when our only loss (during that 16-5 run) was against elite teams.
by Five Ten Entertainment on Dec 16, 2008 4:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
we cant run
without the one man fast break (ellis)
by DeepS on Dec 16, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot agree with your feelings more. I live in Sacramento although I grew up in the bay and can only go to a few games a year. I was so frustrated last night that I called DirecTv to cancell my NBA package. My wife said I would regret it and I probally would have if DirecTv let me cancel it. I dont know how I can put up with this too much longer. If we lose that’s one thing but to have the team look like they’re giving up, its too much to take.
by warriorJoe on Dec 16, 2008 4:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i feel ya...
i just wanna see progress in our talented players…but they dont even get a chance to play when our vets are playing terrible…so when will they get a chance to play? only when we DONT have vets?
by DeepS on Dec 16, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s all agree with One thing why the Warriors suck so bad. It’s because we don’t have Baron anymore. If we still had him we’d easily be above .500. The players that the Warriors have right now just don’t mix well. Lots of great individual talent, lots of talent at the 2 and the 3. The 4 position is too young and too skinny. A solid 5 in biedrins, but will never be great. And last but not least, missing the the all important 1 spot. We have no POINT GUARD!!! CJ Watson is D league material, Marcus Williams, OMG I haven’t even seen the guy play in a month! Who else? Noone? I hope nobody thinks Monte Ellis is gonna be able to run the team, don’t get me wrong he’s a great player and was made great by Baron. Everyone underestimated just how good Baron was. It wasn’t just his skills, he had that particular swagger that is rare among NBA players. He knew he could beat his man off the dribble and create on the fly and something will materialize out of nothing. So why the hell did we let Baron leave? Last I heard was that Baron and Mullin had an agreement at a 3 yr extension, and Rowell stepped in and cut a yr off that deal. Obviously that’s going to piss off someone with Baron’s swagger and court presence, so what did we expect him to do? Bow down like a dog and eat it? I can’t blame Baron at all for taking the Clippers deal and leaving the Warriors. Now the Warriors are going to slide into obscurity again and may not make the playoffs for another 10 years. The only player I see that can step right in and make the Warriors a playoff team again is Lebron James, and fat chance that’s happening. The Warriors need a player that will rally to One player, that one player who commands the respect of his teammates when he speaks, that one player that will calm everyone down when the other team just went on a 10-0 run and we’re going to just call timeout and get those points back. And we lost that one player that comes along once in a decade, sometimes 3, over what? 1 yr – $13 Mil? And by saving that we spend it on who? Corey Maggete? Really? We’d rather have Corey Maggete over Baron? Have we lost our minds? Don’t get me wrong I like Corey Maggete, I thought it would have been an excellent trade if we could have gotten him a few years ago in exchange for Mike Dunleavy. But Maggette over Baron!!!??? I want to start a petition to have Rowell fired and and Mullin promoted. Who’s with me? And Chris Cohan still wants to raise ticket prices? I’m so sick of all this I need to spit!! PHHUUUTTSSH!!!
by Wild Squid on Dec 16, 2008 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who knows our pain?
wow this post is getting some airtime on ESPN’s Bullet’s
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-37-56/Tuesday-Bullets.html
World! Hear the collective laments of Warriors fans. Help us, save us. When will it all end?
by rumpshaka on Dec 16, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with almost everything that's been said
And to make matters worse, I got a call from the Santa Rosa Mall because they pulled my name in their Corvette drawing.
Apparently I missed the memo that you had to be 25.
That kind of makes the point of the 18-25 year old box pointless, huh?
by bradyk2 on Dec 16, 2008 7:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That kind of makes the point of the 18-25 year old box pointless, huh?
They got an 18-25 year box on a drawing that says you have to be over 25 to enter? WTF? Can your parent receive the car for you?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 16, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait a sec...
i seem to recall a lot of us saying before the season started (post ellis injury, boom exodus, maggs signing, etc) that this team was gonna suck. which one of the mods brought out the season preview entitled “We Got Suck?” perhaps as fans maybe we didn’t want to believe even as we were saying it… well “We Believe” now, don’t we?
i love this team, i love going to the Roaracle and the losing hurts. but i haven’t watched the entirety of games for many weeks now, it just isn’t worth the aggravation. it’s pretty hard to visit this site any more, with all the suck and posts about suck. the smartest thing you did FJ was walking out. sometimes that’s the only answer for your sanity.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Dec 16, 2008 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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