Hoops is like a game of Chess.
Fant Junkie...Sorry to hear you left the Warrior Game for the first time in your life, but I understand the frustrations and disgust.
I respect everyone's vent, thoughts, and opinions on this site but I'm going to have to agree with those who blame the coaching on this team and disagree with those who don't put weight with blame on Nellie.
I still feel like this team (even without a healthy Monta) has enough firepower and talent to be a better product on the court.
I'm not a Mastermind to the game of hoops, my IQ of hoops is severely low, and I never coached a game in my life, but looking at the current roster I feel there is no excuse for this team to suck this badly.
It's not like we have that Jerome Kersey roster from back then. It is a very young team but I think they could be a very good squad with better coaching.
A coach can't make a player better but I think a good coach can guide them into a better player depending on what kind of work ethic he has, dedication he has, how much that player wants to pick the coach's brain, and how he puts that knowledge into application.
My point and example is Jerry Sloan's success in the 2003-2004 season when he was given the Stockton/ Malone-less squad. He should have received COY with that non-name roster he had at the time. They didn't make the playoffs that year but they were a .500 team.
Everyone has their strong opinions, but can you honestly tell me our squad right now can't be a more watchable team if a coach like Jerry Sloan took over?
[ *passes the mic over to GSoM heads* ]
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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I wouldn't rather have Sloan..
but I would much rather have the Jazz’s roster
by misterjennings on Dec 16, 2008 11:03 AM PST reply actions
Or better yet...
Their point guard on our roster
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 16, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Hoops is like a game of Chess.?
Chess on a moving board with young impulsive pieces that have no interest in strategy? and a mob of hecklers and homers criticizing your every move??
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 16, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions
It’s like chess in that it’s a game played on a surface with borders that intersect at 90deg angles. See? Practically the same game!
except in chess
you’re allowed to have 16 pieces even when one is not suspended. And I don’t think you can send anybody down to the DLeague.
. And I don’t think you can send anybody down to the DLeague.
and your king can’t decide to go home to grandma’s
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 16, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
This team could do better, but it’s a fundamentally flawed collection of players, with several showing some rather superficial signs of ‘talent.’ Some of the ‘talent’ includes some reasonably high scoring, but low efficiency shooters who don’t rebound the ball well. That rarely produces victories. Some of the ‘talent’ are guys long on ‘potential’ but short on results. None of it is in the form of a good point guard to direct the mess.
Chess comparisons
Rooks: Buike and Maggette. Can only get straight.
Bishops: BWright and Randolph. They can help you in the long run but they’re not that effective up close.
Queen: Biedrins. Can do pretty much anything. The one piece you value more than anything else.
King: Jackson. He’s the most important piece but also one of the less efffective.
Knights: Crawford and Morrow. Only has one move. If they’re not falling, they’re pretty much useless.
Pawns: Everybody else.
by lightz0ut on Dec 16, 2008 2:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Where does Monta fall into the equation?
But I love the analogy…. Pretty funny!
by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 16, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Where does Monta fall into the equation?
he’s the missing piece you are filling in for with a checker.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 16, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
+1
lol. that was a sick analogy.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 16, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot
Warriors small ball: Attacking the king with pawns.
Warriors fast break: 3 pawns and a Knight attempting a check mate.
lightz0ut
Do you happen to be part of HHCF? Perhaps?
-GZA from the Wu Tang Clan
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 17, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
HHCF stands for...
Hip Hop Chess Federation.
I believe it was established in the Bay Area and spreaded out across the nation.
Saw a little bit of it as it was covered on the news last week or so on the Channel 2 Evening News.
Cuz there’s only one two.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 17, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
talent does not = consistency
I do get your chess analogy, perhaps strained, but it applies to Nelson’s managing mis-matches approach to utilizing his roster (which people forget, he didn’t always do when he had talented bigs in Dallas and Milw). Substitution decisions are chess moves …
more to the point, what any team in any sport counts on is a player making a play more often than not when the opportunity arises – tackle, fly ball, back door layup, etc. it really is about players being able to coordinate their efforts into a cohesive effort. Chemistry isn’t built by hanging out after the game, it’s built through cohesive performance on the floor and that’s what’s missing. When you can’t count on other guys making plays on the floor you’re more likely to try to do it solo – assuming you have the team’s interests in front of your own – and you start going 1 on 5. The Magic game started to look like we’re headed that way. Defense is the MOST chemistry-based part of the game imho.
BWright plays well then lapses, so too has Morrow, Marco, AR, etc. Sure they have talent, but they’re not consistently able to finish a play or more subtle, prevent a preventable play on defense. I don’t blame them for being young and inconsistent, and I don’t blame Nelson for getting frustrated with inconsistency.
Both Jackson and Maggette have been playing hurt, maybe they should sit. Ok, blame Nelson for not sitting them perhaps.
But when you look up and down this roster, it’s again littered with overpaid under-performing veterans – kinda like with DunMurphyFoyle’s collection. Meanwhile we are the youngest team (and least experienced). Is it any wonder there’s not cohesiveness? Let’s blame the architects of this roster for allowing history to repeat itself. Mullin’s already on the way out, but Rowell is going to be here and if vetoing $39m/3yr for Baron then extending Jackson and trading Harrington for Crawford is any indication of what the future has in store, we’re fully and regally screwed.
Some of us have been saying this for quite some time – the schizophrenic approach of rebuild while pretending to be a playoff caliber franchise aint work’n.
I do still blame Nelson for not working on his relationship with Harrington – it chafes to see what he’s doing in NY and what we have to look forward to … and we now have a very young roster with overpaid vets while the coach’s trying to win every game – we have a misfit roster/coach/GM … the land of misfit toys may be the more apt analogy for our beloved team
by hardcore on Dec 16, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Posts look so cool when they're green.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
Posts look so cool when they're green.
One of mine came up green once but I don’t know why? Is that the “stupidity” alert or something?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 16, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
HAHA
Rec. I wanna see this one green.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
I wanna see this one green.
See what I mean? It turned green with no obvious human intervention.
my mind is playin tricks on me.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 17, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
A coach can't make a player better
I disagree. A coach is suppose help you get better, especially at the fundamentals. That is their job. It’s not all about X’s and O’s. It’s about developing team chemistry, teaching the fundamentals and game strategy. That’s why they have practice. So you can get better!
Let’s face it. Nellie is a one trick pony. He’s all about offense and teaches no defense. He doesn’t develop the younger players. He overworks the vets. His rotations are screwed up. If a player has one good game, he most likely will not get any burn the next game. I don’t know why, but that’s been his pattern. Nellie likes to tinker with the lineup to create mismatches. But the mismatches favor the other team! When Dwight Howard’s backup, Borat, goes off and puts up Dwight Howard numbers on your team, you’ve got some serious issues.
But the one gripe I have with Nellie is how he treats the players who are not “Nellie Players”. Case in point Al Harrington. He has misused Al the past 2 years, not maximizing his potential. Not look at what he’s doing for NY. He is a beast! And the sad part is, he could have been doing the same with the Dubs.
I hate the fact that Nellie gets too much credit for turning around this franchise. He deserves some credit, but he also should deserve some of the blame for what’s been going on this season. This team has good individual talent. But the makeup of the team as a whole is not good. Too many of the same players-players who like to go one-on-one: Stack-Maggs-Craw-and then throw Monta in the mix.
What everyone is overlooking is the fact that Baron was a valuable piece to this system. Without him, everything fails. Is it a coincidence that the team’s FG % is horrendous this year, compared to the last 2 years? The offense is just not the same as it once was. Baron was the team leader, heart and soul. He brought energy every single game. And in the end, he was overworked by Nellie and underappreciated by management. He was perfect for Nellie’s system. But now you replace him w/ a D-leaguer in Watson. He’s a good player, but not a starter IMO. They traded a 1st rounder for Marcus Williams, who can’t even get on the court. Without a true PG, an All-Star caliber PG, this offense will not work. And since they don’t play defense, it looks like it’s gonna be a really long season.
Commisioner Stern at the podium…
And with the first pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Golden State Warriors select PG Ricky Rubio-Spain.
by Being Mr. Jennings on Dec 16, 2008 3:20 PM PST reply actions
A coach is suppose help you get better, especially at the fundamentals.
That was my point actually. Sorry I made it sound confusing. I did follow up with: “but I think a good coach can guide them into a better player depending…”
I was trying to say a coach can’t forcea player to be better or improve and it also takes two to tango. The efforts in both parties of the coach and player are essential.
I also agree with all the points you made after that.
So +1 to you.
Go Warriors still.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Dec 16, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I KNEW AL HAD IT IN HIM
MULLIN WORKED SO HARD TO GET AL. I CAN’T BELIEVE WE SCREWED THIS UP! IT IS NELSON’S FAULT AND HE IS OVER THE HILL – MULLIN MADE MISTAKES BUT ALSO MADE THE RIGHT MOVES UNTIL HE GOT VETOED THIS PAST SEASON ON BARON. I LOVE THE W’S BUT IT REALLY HURTS TO SEE THE TEAM RIGHT NOW. I WENT TO THE GAME LAST NIGHT AND NELLIE LEFT WRIGHT/AR ON THE BENCH LIKE A MORON. THE TEAM KEPT JACKING UP JUMP SHOTS WITH A FEW SECONDS ON THE SHOT CLOCK – IT REMINDED ME OF THE JIMMIE JACKSON/JOHN STARKS DAYS THAT MAKE ME WANT TO HURL!
Amen to that!
I understand that it’s small ball, but I just don’t understand why he keeps playing these players out of position. The list goes down the line…JRIch, Pietrus, Barnes, Al, Sjack and now Maggs. Why does he refuse to go to a regular lineup when it is obvious that it works. Turiaf and Biedrins is a good frontcourt that rebounds and defends.
What’s worse is Nellie’s substitution patterns. AR had a great game against the Rockets and doesn’t play the next 2. Same goes with Wright, Morrow, Bellinelli etc. None of this makes sense. Why punish a player when they have a good game? That’s why these players don’t develop because they can’t get consistent minutes. And then when they leave, they blow up. IE: Al, Pietrus etc.
I would be pissed if I was Wright and AR. The good part is, they are the future. The bad part is, they will probably not be around.
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