On ESPN First Take: Nellie Tells Randolph's Agent to Seek Trade Options
by kyzah on Dec 19, 2008 8:35 AM PST
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PrintAnyone else listen to ESPN First Take today? (Friday morning). They were talking about Nellie and Mullin being ina feud and no longer on speaking terms, and then they reported that Nellie was intentionally not playing Mullin's draft picks to spite him (Wright and Randolph) and that he even went as far as to tell Randolph's agent that it wasn't working out and that he should seek trade options. Only reason this really caught my ear was that in the last few days trade rumors have been abound that Warriors have been seeking trades with Charlotte for Felton, with Wright or Randolph has the trade bait?
Anyone else here anything like this? If so I'd say my respect for Nellie and the front office has officially left the golden state.
Update~ heres the ESPN first take link, the comments are made at 1.56 in
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?categoryId=2459788
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Havent' heard it. But wouldn't put it past the ol' guy.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I always thought that Randolph was a player that Nellie liked. I remember him saying that if they had a higher pick in the lotto that he’d still be their guy. I can understand this story if it was Wright, but not Randolph.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Then our FO turmoil has gone on for longer than what first started showing publicly. It doesn’t make much sense. Mullin and Rowell must be on the same page, as Mullin concocts the deals and draft picks, and Rowell signs off on it. Meanwhile Nellie and Rowell seem to be in on the same page while Mullie is on the outskirts. On top of that we all believed that Nelson would have his voice in the ear of Mullin on who he wanted on this club (Like say, trading DunMurphy for Jack and Al). The conspiracies and tension in the Warrior offices must run thick and is ruining this franchise (yet again).
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
then why the hell would he say it then???
NELLIE NEEDS TO GO!
by Ali luvs monta on Dec 19, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I think it’s more that Nellie just doesn’t care what he says and his mood may dictate whatever opinion he voices. What’s he supposed to say? “It was the #14 pick. Frankly, those aren’t all that good anyhow so we picked someone. Everyone worth a damn was already gone. We had to, but don’t expect me to care much because I don’t. " Actually, I can imagine him saying that, but the BS "we got the guy we really wanted” plays better.
The number of GMs/coaches who say that they got the guy they really wanted is greater than the number who got the guy they really wanted.
From Marcus Thompson's blog:
*I talked to Anthony Randolph about Chris Broussard’s statements on First and 10 that Nellie told him to tell his agent to seek a trade because it isn’t working. Randolph’s response: no comment.
That tells me all I need to know.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
How you give up on a player not even half way through the season is mind boggling to me. He’s litterally lost his marbles this time around. Win record be damned, Nellie needs to go.
What is it about Bay Area teams that just screams dysfunctional sports teams?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Nelson's an ass
Why would you INTENTIONALLY reduce the value of one of your own players, even if you didn’t like the guy for some reason? It’s insane, unprofessional, and completely “Nellie.”
If Wright, of Randolph is ‘traded’ for a little guy I’m through with this team, until there are new owners and a new coach. Nelson wrecked the last Dub’s chance at respectability by running Webber out of town, and now it seems he’s about to repeat it. (Actually the Harrington “trade” already repeats it.)
Hendrix being dropped instead of Demarcus Nelson or some other useless small body is bizarre. And it has Nellie’s fingerprints all over it.
He has turned this team into puke in the blink of an eye. Season ticket holders should sue for their money back. It doesn’t even qualify as NBA ball anymore.
by formerlythecity on Dec 19, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
damon Bruce on KNBR is talking about it now
let’s just dismantle this team already starting with SJax…whatever!
JR...An All-Time Warriors Favorite!
Why would a player agent seek trade options? How does that make sense? I guess I wouldn’t put this insanity past Nellie, but the phrasing is very strange.
Its very strange in this situation with a 1st round rookie
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 19, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Sickening.
Nellie is going to give away a POTENTIAL future KG type player that will come back to haunt us for future years to come. This is nothing new in Warrior Land, and yes, although the key word here is POTENTIAL, history shows that Potential here at Golden State, often blossoms into Real Talent.
Nellie has lost his mind, lets lose hime fast!
NELLIE
is a fucking idiot! He doesn’t know talent when he sees it anymore! If that is why he isn’t playing them, then he needs a reality check! He needs to go.
by Ali luvs monta on Dec 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
bs. nellie wants to win, he also knows push come to shove management backs him over mully. He is also close w/ mully.
espn doesnt know ANYTHING about the bay, let them stick to nyc/boston bull
Agreed.
Sounds like horseshit to me. What, was Kawakami a guest host? Or maybe his buddy Skip Bayless was the one spouting that nonsense. I don’t buy a word of it.
I don’t necessarily agree with all of Nellie’s decisions, especially in the last month or so. But I do think that he plays the players that he thinks will win him the game. He’s not gonna bench some guys purely for politics if it hurts the team in the process.
you guys need to lay off nellie. Name the last coach to lead the warriors to the playoffs not named don nelson…..
george karl: 1987
and if not for a ridiculous year, we would have easily madep layoffs last year (4 seed if in easT) and if BARON Didnt show up hungover to biggest game of year, we still would have made it
pure speculation
for better or worse, no one knows what goes on in the Warrior’s front office. look at how these trades seem to come out of nowhere. the only national media guy that even has a clue is Stein and that’s only b/c he has league sources that the team must report trades and whatnot to in order to get approval for them.
by the evil monkey on Dec 19, 2008 9:32 AM PST reply actions
If this is true
we’re officially screwed what the F is Nelson thinking this guy has gotta go. I’m sick of the small ball shite every friggin’ game. 4 guards and a power forward ewwwwwwwwwww this team is one of the worst run organizations in the bay area and that’s sayin’ alot.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
Can anyone else imagine another CWebb fiasco?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Horrible
Wow, this is horrible. I think Nelson really just has to go. As much as we love him, he’s the right coach for this team. We need someone who will play Wright, Randolph, and those younger guys. That’s what’s best for the franchise.
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 19, 2008 10:07 AM PST reply actions
I doubt it...
Somehow I feel like we would know if Nellie and Mully were mad.
With that said, I’d be happy to take Jackson, Biedrins and Monta, and start an expansion team….
Mully has the Vision - Nellie is Just a Piece that can be Scrapped
Many coaches with Baron, Jax, Beans, J-Rich, Al, and Monte would have found a way to make the playoffs. Nellie is getting too much credit for the wins, and not enough credit for the losses – this team could have at least 10-13 wins with better coaching and rotations. Losing Mully is a huge mistake. While he has made some mistakes in the past, he definitiely is trying to make the best moves under the circumstances – after seeing AL in NY, so way he trades based on Nellie being an ass.
very very good point
i am so happy people are starting to realize it. maybe now, with more people behind the movement, we can actually make our voices heard. Nelson ruined this franchise. I hate this guy. At first, i said maybe if he changes, i’d gain more respect for him but now i officially hate this old,fat piece of sh*t! any time you go to a warrior home game, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NELSON!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 19, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
10-13 wins
you really think warriors would have been a 58-61 win team last year?!
keep in mind baron was and is a HUGE coach killer.
the AL in nyc thing is unfortunate but based on warriors team he had to play PF.
by Warriors510 on Dec 19, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
i hope you understand
that when al was traded here he had a good first month just like he’s having in NY atm. tell me what happened after that?
yup. you know what i’m talking about.
agreed…. hes frustrating, has tha talent but not the head….
by Warriors510 on Dec 19, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
+uno
I second that, ill still take Crawford and we take Mully as our GM, Kieth Smart as our headcoach. Lets move them to San Jose and call them the ______________ .
The Warriors are the only franchise where the FANS would run it better than them.
I’m not being sarcastic either.
by Marco Belinelli on Dec 19, 2008 10:42 AM PST reply actions
I think the Detroit Lion fan's would argue that.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Can’t forget about the KC Royals
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 19, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
WTF???!!!
This wouldn’t be the first time the Warriors would choose the coach over a player! Remember when Nellie and CWebb couldn’t get along, they traded CWebb. We lost a good player which basically started our long playoff drought!
Are the Warriors going to let another potentially good player go because of Nellie? Probably! I don’t know why they would since Nellie won’t be coaching the Warriors in a few years! Really sucks to be a Warriors fan right now!
by scottiepimppen on Dec 19, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions
I need a source to see if this is true, there have been shameless pot stirrers on GSoM in the past.
But, if true, this could be good news.
If Rowell or Cohan could see past those stacks of money clouding his vision, he could see that Nelson is playing his own personal games and can his ass. Nothing short of blatant corruption and personal exploitation of the team could have shortened Nelson’s dangerous tenure, but if true, maybe Rowell or Cohan could have reason to take out the trash.
If true, then I’m hoping that some of these Nelson defenders will stop using the “he sees them in practice” excuse. But then again, Belinelli is playing, and wasn’t he Mullin’s choice? I don’t really know what to make of this yet, but I feel like only good could come out of this, as it looks like it could accelerate some drastic changes.
Like I said though, a tangible source would be key. I figure if it was on First Take then something will emerge.
I saw it on First Take.
He’s correct. It was reported by Chris Broussard, who is a pretty reliable source. I believe it, just look at AR’s minutes after the monster game against the Rockets. Nellie is a fool to do this. I wonder if it does happen, will people still be on Nellie’s jock? This is the same thing when people defended Nellie over CWebb. What a joke that turned out to be.
And you’re right. All the Nellie apologists who keep saying “He sees them in practice everyday” are in denial. As fans, we see these players like AR produce in real game situations, not practice. We’re talking bout practice? C’mon.
AR, Morrow, Kurz, Wright, Bellineli all have shown that they can play at this level.
by Being Mr. Jennings on Dec 19, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
+1
We saw it in Dallas when the Mavs gave up Nash. Everyone defended Nellie and then Nash went on to win back to back MVPs
WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...
by JustSomeName on Dec 19, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Nellie actually wanted to keep Nash, but Cuban thought he was done and didn’t want to pay him 13 million a yr or something like that. that’s how their rift began…
by the evil monkey on Dec 19, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Found the clip from espn first take this morning
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?categoryId=2459788
At around 1.56 in, the small segment they had on the warriors that i heard this morning.
Still need a little more than “sources say.” Sources said there was a conflict in the Cowboys locker room when the players all insisted there wasn’t. Then again, the Cowboys are a major media market, I’m less inclined to believe they would try and stir up drama in the Warriors organization unless it was real since no one cares about the Warriors.
So if it is true, I just pray Mullin outlasts Nelson. And this puts some perspective on Hendrix being cut maybe?
why would anyone admit to problems in the locker room?
Unless your the Knicks, no team wants the media nightmare of admitting that there is conflict in their locker room. Standard answer would be that everything is fine and rumors are overblown. As for the sources part, why would anyone within the Warriors organization jepordize their position by saying, “Oh ya, everything is real F’ed up in the front office, here’s my name make sure to quote me.” Typically when you see a comment that says, sources say, and its about the player, the source is the players agent. So it wouldn’t surprise me if Randolphs agent was the one who told espn reporters, ya I’ve been approached by the Warriors to seek trade options for Randolph.
Either way, it seems to me that there are rumblings going on behind the scenes of the Dub’s organization. Would be a crime if we saw either Wright or Randolph part ways with us imo.
“Sources said” that Maggette would be traded, that Belinelli would be traded, etc. Just because it says sources doesn’t mean it has any. Ask Peter Vecsey about his "sources for the Harrington-Malik Rose trade. There needs to be more proof than just Chris Broussard reporting it. Like I said, in this case, it sounds likely that this is early and there will be more proof. I’m just talking about in general.
T.O.
If he’s a player in any locker room…there’s always going to be conflict!
by scottiepimppen on Dec 19, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Awesome,
Just when we had thought we bottomed out. Way to go Nellie. And now its such a political nightmare that Rowell has tied himself with Nellie.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 19, 2008 11:32 AM PST reply actions
Wright or Randolph
…it’s like we wasted our trades and drafts. If Wright goes back to Charlotte might, we just wasted losing JRICH. Dammit! If this is true I hate the idea of Nellie using a great potential such as Randolph as Lover’s Quarrel fodder.
The key is according to kyzah's link ( thanks for that)
“Mullin has no intention of trading Randolf” If that’s correct let the itshay fall where it amay. If not we’re in worse trouble than we think.
Dang, Nellie is giving old guys a bad rep.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions
Honestly seems like a 10 year old playing nba2k is running the Warriors
by Marco Belinelli on Dec 19, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions
Back then I found a way to
get Kobe, Lebron and Wade all into the Warriors without giving up pick (or at least I got my pick back) and keeping JRich and Baron even Beans and Ellis!
I swear everytime I play NBA 2K I spend more time in the front office ripping off teams
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
I'm so tired of this...
Is it too much to ask to know who’s running your franchise? I just want to know who to praise when something good happens and who to blame when we make a stupid move.
This is drama on the high school level. I don’t know if any of this is true or not but I’m so tired of reading about political power struggles in the front office. Can somebody just make a decision and either come out and say we are sticking with our guys, or we are firing Mullin and keeping Nellie, or we are firing Nellie and keeping Mullin, or we are firing both, or whatever. I don’t even care at this point just make a decision already.
Rowell needs to either take charge of this team publicly or move back into the shadows and let the ex-ballplayers make the decisions.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
couldn't have said it any better
I actually think it’s another business move. Not sure, but if they fire Mulling do they still have to pay him?
If so, that may be one of the reason they’re keeping him around. Coz, if they fire him, they’ll have to pay somebody else for the job causing them extra money.
Im with you OM,
atleast with the Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders, New York Knicks, we atleast kneew who was making the calls. This is a complete debacle, thats turning into a 3 way mess with Nellie, Mullin, and Rowell. Since Rowell isnt going anywhere the first thing is to get rid of Mullin. He is gone at the end of the season anyway and apparently as has no say in anything more. Let the Larrys(Riley and Harris) be the stooges in the middle, pretending to make basketball descisions with Nelson and Rowell on either side. At the end of the year Rowell should hire a basketball guy, and give him the keys. Hopefully Nelson gets fired or quits after this season, or during or after next season, and the new gm type can bring in his guy.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 19, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
thunder
is spinning in his grave right now
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
Please Keep these players
Belinelli
Wright
Randolph
Beans
Ellis
Morrow
Kurz
Turiaf
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
Ok,
I see a bunch of players that cant get you to the playoffs….
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on Dec 19, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
What a bone-headed blunder. Is it any wonder Nelly has been in so many different jobs over the years. Come on.
How do you tell a 19-year-old kid, a kid who is playing his heart out every night, to talk to his agent because its not working out? What?! That is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard in regards to basketball. If you don’t like Randolph as a head coach, then tell that to Mully. Probably did, and if Mully says they are sticking with Randolph then shut your mouth and deal with it. You are not the boss of player personel. If you are so against it, then quit.
But don’t play mind games with a 19 year old kid, that is sickening.
If this is not grounds for firing, I don’t know what is.
Dump Nelly now.
I'm done with Nelson.
I liked him before, and even now, I was against all these rumblings over here to fire him, but now, he should be fired. Good coach, but he’s a cancer. He causes problems with management, and now, I even agree with Al Harrington and his agent.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
Yes!
Finally people are seeing the light. Nellie does not put his players in position to succeed. Look at Al, Pietrus, Barnes. He played them out of position, especially on defense. Now, look at what they are doing when they play their normal position. Al has been playing at an All-Star level. It’s sad that Nellie couldn’t maximize his potential.
by Being Mr. Jennings on Dec 19, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
they all had to play bigger
because we had no big guys. that doesn’t really have that much to do with nelson, so much as it has to do with having andris biedrins and no one as your bigs.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Some of you are grossly underestimating Al's Value and how Nellie has Hurt the Team by Alienating Players
Al was a big that could stretch the floor, pass the ball, and take it to the hole. Was he a star – we never really knew because he was not able to create in Nellie’s system. If I was Al, I would be frustrated too. Jamal is okay but does not have the versatility or defense that Al possesses. We were making the best of a bad situation. Wright/AR are years away from the developing into a player like Al but could be better low post player and better defenders down the line. WE WILL NOT WIN MORE GAMES BECAUSE OF CRAWFORD – HE IS WAY TOO STREAKY!
crawford
was a dumb trade. adding a longer contract at a position we don’t need was stupid. and al isn’t a creator. he isn’t. he takes a bunch of shots and makes some of them. by no stretch of the imagination is he a “star,” but i’d still rather have him sitting on the end of the bench and waiting for his paycheck than need to look at crawford kill our salary cap for an extra year.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
I hope you are right.
And I hope the firing comes soon.
Honestly, if Randolph is traded for someone who isnt a Superstar, I think I’m going to have to call it quits.
Nellie
Its fucking frustrating to watch him coach sometimes. He doesn’t see what this team needs right now. Randolph has a good game against Houston, and then SITS. Rob Kurz has 2 good games against Houston and Denver and then SITS. Nellie says “we need to move the ball.” What guard on the roster is the most effective moving the ball? MARCUS WILLIAMS, and what does he do? SIT EVERY FUCKING GAME! He says Marcus is too slow, and that he’ll get beat defensively. Let’s analyze that. Point 1: We don’t run like we used to when Baron was here, so that’s really a moot point. Point 2: CJ Watson is not exactly a “lock-down” defender, or even a good on-ball defender. He’ll play the passing lanes and get some steals, but he gets beat too. CJ can score, but we have ENOUGH DAMN SCORERS ON THE FLOOR. If we have someone feeding them, or someone that has the vision to find holes in the defense and pass through them, then I think we’d be a better team. I don’t know what the hell Marcus did to move all his furniture from Jersey to Nellie’s doghouse. I feel sorry for him. He hasn’t gotten any kind of significant playing time, so how would Nellie know if he’d hurt the team? It didn’t look like a fair competition for the starting job in the preseason. He all but handed the keys to CJ without giving Marcus a fair shake (save the few games DeMarcus started.)
i agree with almost everything uve said
except…marcus williams sucks, hes gunna get traded anyways. CJ sucks too at the point…
i REALLY like what ive seen of demarcus nelson tho for the point…hes gunna be an excellent backup point this year while we run craw at the 1 i hope
crawford/bellineli/nelson
ellis/bellineli
jackson/morrow/randolph
wallace/randolph/wright
beans/turiaf
dude...watch the games
CJ sucks at D
CJ sucks at passing
CJ sucks at the fast break
CJ is not a good 1 for our team
if u watch nelson play, hes great at D, hes a great passer, hes amazing on the fast break and hes good at finishing.
CJ sucks. period.
Nelson isn't a great passer
He’s okay at slashing, and he’s a decent passer. Basically, a backup point guard. I wish he could at least kind of shoot.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
More reason to believe?
The report that Nellie isn’t playing Mullin’s guys. Marcus Williams was a Mullin pick. Not too long ago when asked about Williams, Mullin said he still thinks he can be a player but needs the chance. Then no pt for Wright when we are clearly in bad need of a 4. Someone to defend and rebound. Now Randolph, who’s only 19 and isn’t being handled well. It’s stupid. Maggette at the 4, Jackson at 1, come on!!!! Wouldn’t play Bellinelli because his defense was bad. Given that criteria the W’s would only be playing one or two players per game. I’m frustrated too!
Let’s see what a real point guard can do on this team, give Williams a little pt and some coaching. Let him push the ball and let’s run again, with a point who can see the floor and create. Start Wright and give him some real minutes. Play him with Biedrins. Let Jackson and Crawford be the scorers in the starting lineup and bring Corey off the bench. In other words, let’s see what happens when you try to play a conventional game, becuase all this genius stuff isnt’ working. Nellie is getting seriously shown up by D’Antoni in NY, among others who are dealing with less than perfect rosters.
oh my god
fire nelson…im serious. hes ruining this franchise.
When Maggette missed those consecutive shots in a span of a humming bird’s flap,
Crawford simply looked at the bench and said, "Are you serious?"
nellie needs to get his head out of the clouds and do his job! anthony randolph deserves more pt. i believe hes trying to ruin this franchise. we also dont need another gaurd! play the bigmen! trade maggette and possibly wright for a worthy pf. we dont need point gaurds with monta coming back. we dont even run plays throught the point gaurd anyways! no gaurds! no more fighting! no more nellie!
I agree with mullin on this, Randolph is a potential star player and could be the face of this franchise. If I had a choice between Nelli and Randolph I would take Randolph. And I think that Smart could be a really good coach for this young team. He has more connections with the players. Randolph has not seen much time on the floor, but when he is on the floor he produces. You can tell who can be really good just by watching them play for a little bit. Randolph is going to be a star player!! Mullin will not trade this guy because he knows how good he can be.
Listen...........
Rudolph has other duties right now and the Northpole Allstars have said they are interested in a trade……
“Tis the season to be j………..” ohhhhhhhh Feck it! Bah humbug!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
Oh hell no.
I hope this gets shot down on KNBR.
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
WTF
is up with Nellie. Does he just want to trash the franchise before he leaves? I don’t understand him at all. Anthony Randolph is a very talented young player who needs to stay on the Warriors. Maybe Nellies being an idiot and trying to act like I got you guys back on the map, like I did in the early 90’s, and know I’m gonna take you right back off.
honestly
nelson has lost his mind. he doesn’t care anymore. he got payed 3 more years. he just wants to go back to hawaii. he’s not the guy to be coaching a team that needs rebuilding. so PLEASE fire him. ive been saying it for a while now
by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Dec 19, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply actions
everyone here believes things
wayyyyyy too easily. get with the program. do you know how many retarded trade rumors are put out there every day? this is just a bunch of hooey. there are other top dogs in the organization that aren’t going to trade AR get with the program people. OPEN YOUR EYES. you’re all just blinded by a poor team.
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