Stop whining: Monta is the root of our problems
Enough of the trade talk, fire Nellie bull, etc. Monta screwed us in the off season and now we are seeing just how bad his decision to ride the moped was.
Magette isnt the type of player to lead a team. Monta was supposed to do that with Jackson and Magette following and Biedrins bringing up the rear. You cant blame those guys for not playing to their potential. They actually are playing to their potential and Randolph, Wright, and Buike are playing above my expectations.
CJ Watson anyone? He has been playing great, way better than his contract would suggest he is capable of.
We have to overpay to get players to come to our jacked up team, so Magette's contract is not the problem, and what can you say about the other contracts that wont be expiring for the next 3 years? We had to do something and the choices were limited.
This was not a 50 win team even with Monta healthy all year long, but you have to put blame where it is due. We would have been a lot better if he was more mature and started this season healthy.
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CJ Watson anyone? He has been playing great, way better than his contract would suggest he is capable of.
A player’s contract suggests their capabilities? Huh. Maybe we just need to pay him enough to suggest he’s an all-star. :)
We had to do something and the choices were limited.
That seems to be the way the front office is operating. However, sometimes doing nothing is better than something when the something presents itself as an irreversible decision for many years. I actually thought the Maggs signing was a reasonable move, but making a move for sake of doing something is usually a recipe for disaster.
by jae on Dec 2, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A player’s contract suggests their capabilities? Huh. Maybe we just need to pay him enough to suggest he’s an all-star. :)
Might as well give the whole team big raises and win the finals?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 2, 2008 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Monta is not the problem...
He made a mistake off the court, but look at all the people making bad plays for us. We can’t inbound the ball in crucial situations, we commit useless turnovers, don’t value every possession. Is it Monta’s fault, all of Mags 3’s didn’t go in, or Bierdrins throwing a careless pass of a made bucket? No, its not one person’s fault, its the team as a whole. Monta can’t make the team play defense. That should be Nellie’s job. The blame should be going to the coaching and all the dumb plays we have a game.
by celicadriven27 on Dec 2, 2008 11:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1 - On THAT play last night, what the hell was Biedrins doing inbounding the ball?
We needed a clear headed passer of the ball on that play, Crawford should have been the man to inbound the ball to a big guy last night.
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 2, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Free throws
Nelson didnt want beans to get fouled and have to hit two clutch free throws. Hack a bean anyone?.
It made sense to me, but beans brainfarted. Id love to say it wont happen again, but i think weve exhausted that about 3 or 4 times already. Hey at least it was competitive and we didnt get blown out. Dont get me wrong I was fuming, but I at least liked what I did see as far as passing the ball and a semblance of some team basketball
by highflya on Dec 2, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Without Monta’s moped accident we would’ve won several more games than what we have won now.
These Monta Homer’s can not see past his “young mistake” and see the consequences of what he did without defending him.
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on Dec 2, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
with Monta none of this would have happened
yes we would have made mistakes, but the whole course of this season would have been changed.
Some ill-advised shots would not be taken for lack of a play maker, Magette would make more 3’s because defense would sag back a little on the Monta/Biedrins pick and roll, etc.
by warriorsvictim on Dec 2, 2008 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!
Amen! If Monta wasn’t a dumbass, he wouldn’t have decided to go skydiving with a moped. Or pulling an evilkenivel with a moped. or doing anything else to screw up his ankle on a MOPED! If he was still here, we would’ve at least won a few of our MANY close games.
AT LEAST SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME HERE!
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
by XIAOXIAO on Dec 2, 2008 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Monta wasn’t a dumbass
Yeah, makes me wonder how dumb he really is? I raced motorcycles for a few years with nothing more than a few scrapes and bruises and I’m not the smartest guy in the world.
Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 2, 2008 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did you have a contract clause that prohibited you from riding those things?
Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.
by ejdacanay on Dec 2, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he did he would probably be smart enough to read said contract before acting the ass!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 2, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you have a contract clause that prohibited you from riding those things?
A contract doesn’t keep you from getting hurt, but it only takes a little intelligence to see the dangers. If montay couldn’t figure that out I’m not too high on him playing point guard which takes some intelligence too.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 2, 2008 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
although i agree with some of you that think that monta is a dumbass for what he did
i dont think its his fault the team sucks right now. monta’s forte was scoring not playing defense. if he was playing he wouldnt be the interior defensive or rebounding presence that this team is lacking. he may have gotten us 1 or 2 more wins cuz of his extra scoring but its not his fault that they cant rebound or defend the paint. i would blame nellie, mully and rowell if he is making personel decisions.
be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Rach on Dec 2, 2008 4:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have a question for you then
If instead of riding a moped, Monta got into a car accident or suffered a preseason injury that would have caused him to miss the same amount of games, who’s to blame now?
Fact is, Monta is not the difference between a 20pt-loss and a win. Sure he’ll give us a boost when he comes back. But you’re even way off if you’resaying, we’re this bad all because Monta is not here.
And if it was true, that’s pretty scary. We only loss Monta and we can’t beat anybody on the NBA at all? Even getting blown out by a team who only had 1 win in 11 games. If what you’re saying is true, then the front office definitely screwed the team.
by lightz0ut on Dec 2, 2008 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you...
we were going into this season with a couple flat tires before Monta even turned the key of his moped.
by in for life on Dec 2, 2008 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
Fact is, Monta is not the difference between a 20pt-loss and a win.
“fact is” that makes no sense, and he IS the difference.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Dec 3, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how Monta makes that much of a difference
Does Shaq in his prime make his team 25 points better? Maybe. Jordan? Maybe. Kareem? Magic? Bird? Wilt? Russel? Maybe.
Monta Ellis? No frigging way.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 3, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't have to be an epic player
to make a difference to your team. the op said that monta coming back won’t make us significantly better. i disagree.
"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."
by GameSix on Dec 4, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get Over it!
I miss Monta just as much as the next guy, but whining and powting about how he is so stupid and immature won’t get us anywhere. The guy already lost millions for what he did, I hope he feels bad for letting down his team and fans and seeing what has come without him, but we also need to be supportive. And like others said, Monta won’t make us play defense, his scoring will help, but we have serious issues that need to be addressed, and a lot of that blame rests on Nelson for not teaching his young players the right way to do things (and the vets for not being the leaders they need to be.)
by Pearlsofwisdom on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
With you on this post.
I’m so sick of all these posts about how Nellie needs to be fired, or we need to package off players for a star, or blah blah blah blah blah. Monta coming back definitely won’t fix all our problems but it’ll HELP. Maybe we wouldn’t have a 7 game losing streak.
by goldenstatelove on Dec 2, 2008 7:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is def the problem
if you look back at all our losses…if we had ellis we would be 13-5 (all the games lost by <5 and the nicks game)
13-5! god damn wish ellis was around :(
by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 7:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
but i still love ellis, and cant blame him for an accident
by DeepS on Dec 2, 2008 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the Problem
Look, Monta Ellis is not the reason why the Warriors continue to give up tons and tons of points every night. Monta or not, defense is the biggest issue with the club. Stop somebody, please!
by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 2, 2008 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
right now
anything is a problem down there:
Maggette isn’t a leader, just whines, can’t rebound, can’t defend, can’t do nothing;
Jackson is leading the league in turnovers, whines, underachievement and already asking for help;
Crawford isn’t the passer we were lookinf gor, can’t play efficiently, can’t D,
Biendris looked like our salvation but had his main (and only) low post moved well guarded, can’t get any help on the boards, can’t inbound a pass and can’t dominate like we would like;
Morrow was the next Jordan – now he’s the next Matt Caroll at the best;
Randolph can’t shot altough he really believes he’s a taller version of Reggie Miller; commits more TO/min than Jackson who’s already leading the league in that category;
Don Nelson is a beetle head, a cancer, blind, deaf, dumb for playing Maggs at the 4, can’t adjust to the other team’s adjustments, can’t stand with the Medium/Tall lineup, can’t set any D schema properly, can’t call a time-out when needed (see last night when Biendris was about to inboud the ball, LOL, Nelson was pumping and yelling for a time-out on the bench), can’t co-exist with Mully, can’t co-exist with Cohan, can’t co-exist with Rowell, can’t co-exist with himself;
Monta Ellis is an a-hole, retarded, irresponsible, careless, worthless, priceless, pointless, useless and now mopedless :-)
do you want me stop here?
:-(
=Gaucho=
by Gaucho! on Dec 3, 2008 4:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
right now
are you kidding me? you think nelson and biedrins are the problems. Nelson is a genius. why would you play maggette at the 3 when he can’t shoot. give me one good reason for maggette to play the 3. Biedrins isn’t supposed to be a leader he is the kind of player who makes everyone around him good.
by GSW Fan on Dec 3, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DON NELSON is the problem...
Come on, we all watched the game, the warriors were doing great with a line up of:
Crawford
Jackson
Maggette
Wright
Biedrins
(Tall Ball)
But for some ODD reason, Nelson decides to go small ball the final 4 minutes of the ball game.
No Turiaf, No Wright, No Randolp, only a tired Biedrins to rebound for the Warriors.
Honestly, If I was Turiaf, I’d be banging my head for leaving the Lakers…
by Darkcloud on Dec 3, 2008 7:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Monta doesnt impact defense?
Have you ever watched a game? He is not the best defender, but he is very active and quick breaking up passes and chasing shooters around the floor.
Have you ever heard that saying a butterfly flappniog his wings can cause a tsunami on the other side of the world? That is completely true in sports.
If Monta has successful drives to the hoop, the other team is not fast breaking off a bad miss….If Monta steals passes our points off turnover ration goes up….if Monta plays moer minutes the BWright / Randolph experiment is reduced to a point where their playing time makes more sense and is done more strategically-not because Monta plays the same position, but because his impact on the game changes the way Nellie manages the personell on the floor
by warriorsvictim on Dec 3, 2008 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Car accident
If Monta was hit by a drunk driver, I wouldnt blame him, but his absence would still be the reason for many of our failures this season.
Either way, we planned on him leading the team. That hasnt happened. We are scrambling.
by warriorsvictim on Dec 3, 2008 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever heard that saying a butterfly flappniog his wings can cause a tsunami on the other side of the world? That is completely true in sports.
I’ll believe it when montay flaps his wings and dwight howard falls over.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 3, 2008 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Monta is not the problem
Monta is the best person on the team and he makes his team run. The warriors haven’t been running lately. So he made a bad decision, that doesn’t mean he is the problem their losing. That means he is the answer to our problems.
by GSW Fan on Dec 3, 2008 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
u basically contradicted urself….u said it yourself…he is the best person on the team and he makes the team run….so we arent running as well now because he is hurt…so a lot of our losses are because he isnt around….which is his fault! we would be 13-5 if he was around (7 games <5 points diff, 1 game vrs NYK).
i dont really BLAME him since it was an accident, but we are losing many games because he isnt around
by DeepS on Dec 3, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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