But not about Biedrins.
First off, I don’t think he can be overrated, because no one outside of Warriors fans talk about him. I never hear him in the all-star discussion, although I can’t think of anyone in the Western Conference other than Yao who’s played better than he has.

He may shoot odd shots sometimes, but he is still one of the best in the league at fg%, and Nellie is trying to get him to develop his own offensive game, so he can still be an offensive presence in Baron’s absence. And Andris is second in the league behind DH12 in rpg.

  with a lot of your points…especially the one about Biedrins. I hate the way he slouches sometimes. He gets pushed around by everyone. Have you noticed how many times he ends up directly underneath the basket (because he can’t hang with the bigger, stronger centers and forwards). Don’t get me wrong…maybe he’ll be a great player someday…but not now, especially when he can’t get a rebound when it counts. And that’s the KEY… He’ll get his double/doubles… but when it counts… I don’t know if we can rely on him.

My opinion…
As much as he makes me mad (especially when he misses easy dunks…some that costs our team the momentum swing)…BIEDRINS is the key to the Warriors success…not Monta, not Crawford, not Jax, not Maggs. It’s Biedrins. He needs to play bigger and stronger…Go lift some weights and gain some muscle and strength for cryin’ out loud! Play with a little more fire, more heart! I know this team will follow…. But I don’t know if he’s got what it takes… He is from Europe and EVERYONE says they’re soft.

Udonis Haslem made a shot to send it to overtime, and then got fouled by Jackson yet the refs didn’t call it. If the refs called the foul, Haslem would have made the free throw to win the game.

If the Heat won that way, it would have been almost exactly similar to when the Warriors lost to the Wizards in the 06-07 season. Gilbert Arenas drove in and got fouled to end the game. He made 2 free throws to win the game, and the Warriors couldn’t do anything about it cause time was already up when Gilbert hit the free throw.

Ever since that loss to the Wizards, the Warriors went on an amazing 16-5 run to make the playoffs.

I feel like that loss vs. the Heat will have a GREAT impact on this team, just like the loss against the Wizards had an impact on the 2007 Warriors. Both losses are almost similar, and the Warriors that we have now are probably going to start playing with a lot of heart from now on (just like the 07 Warriors did after the Wizards loss).

i aint feelin that shhhhhhhhhhhh at all blud

yes, that’s why I said I am Objective to start. I don’t think most of the Biedrins supporters are being very objective and are looking at him with homer glasses on. That is my opinion.

Because I read on the message boards and everything about how great he is. I don’t get that at all from the games I have watched. He gets bullied way too much, is not good on defense, is not aggressive, is not strong with the ball, and yes, he is soft. I understand he is not as thick as other centers in the league and so that makes it hard for him to matchup on some of them, but that is part of the game.

I would prefer to focus on getting other scorers their chances, let Jamal, Morrow, SJax, and Azebuke take a bunch of 3’s, let the guards drive to the hoop and shoot or dish to the open man, let SJax and Magette create their own shots, but I am sick of seeing the entire offense slowed down to a screeching halt every time they try to get Biedrins the ball in the post for what most times turns into a very weak turnover or horrible choice of shot.

The Warriors have plenty of other scorers, they don’t need to force the ball into Biedrins, I would prefer Turiaf in the game because his defense is better and other players are more then wiling to take shots. (See Magette, never met a shot he didn’t like), or see Jamal (never took a shot I didn’t like)

And for all the good numbers and double doubles Biedrins has been getting, I think Turiaf and Wright could get close to those numbers if not match them and the teams offense would flow better and the defense would be better.

About Wright and Randolph being the same:

Yes they are similar, and I do understand they do have their differences as one poster articulately demonstrated, but it is hard to get both of them minutes because they are so similar, that is the problem I have with that. Would have worked better instead of drafting one of them, they would have gotten a Center instead, that way the other one wouldn’t have to split minutes and then would develop faster.

well I have yet to see Wright and Randolph really get in the game at the same time, but maybe cause neither really plays a ton of minutes. I guess its possible, but still to me they look too similar to be in the game at the same time because of defensive reasons. Unless you have Turiaf in the game with them, the other teams big man is going to have a field day posting up those two guys. I do think that would make a good lineup though: Monta-Crawford-Randolph-Wright-Turiaf. That would be my preferred starting 5 combo. (Not a diss on anyone else, just think that group would work well together)

Don’t get me wrong, I really like Randolph and if he was the best player on the board and no centers available I guess you have to take what you can get. But with a starting center of Biedrins, you can’t have 3 slender guys like that as your frontcourt, they will get pushed around too much.

What I really didn’t like was trading away Jason Richardson for Brandon Wright, that is what shouldn’t have happened. How do you trade away a guy so talented that fits perfectly in your system and is completely dedicated to your city and team like he was?
Anyway, I don’t want to revisit that topic as I know its probably been talked to death plus I know that the reasons were more cap related then anything. Can we trade Magette to get Richardson back? I would love to do that move.

But about Biedrins, I admit I probably haven’t seen as many games as most of the people on here, but from the games I have seen on espn and NBA league pass I am basing my opinion. Maybe it will change as I watch more games. But unless in all the other games he has showed more fire, assertiveness and toughness I don’t think my opinion would change that much. I’ll keep an open mind though.

from DraftExpress Golden State preview (from last season):
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Scouting-Reports,-Pacific-Division—Part-One—2975/

“Gets the ball in the post with his back to the basket, but not very frequently. Very raw down there. Almost exclusively turns over his right shoulder. Needs to work on his off hand, and improve his footwork.”

There are only a few back-to-the-basket bigs out there, and unfortunately Biedrins isn’t really one yet.

…disagree with much of what you said.

first off welcome and its great you support the warriors. If you supported the lakers i’d call you a bandwagoner. If you supported the clippers I’d just call you stupid. Now if I may i’d like to respond to your points….

Biedrens:
-I think you are most off about Andris. I agree he isnt an elite center… But he is top 10 in nba, and if we are to be honest, he may be only top 10 player we have (at there perspective position) I look at it this way, if you see the improvements he’s made season to season theres no reason to think his defense wont improve (his glaring weakness) He is good for double digit rebounds every game and almost always with NO help (aka hes our only big vs. 2 or 3 bigs) His offensive game is evolving too, he has great hands. I mean now we can see him dribble penetrate.

Randolph and Wright:
-They are similar, but i think randolph is more of a 3 where as wright is a natural 4. I am more excited about randolph, but time will tell. Also if you look back at the draft, theres no one im peticularly upset the warriors passed on for randolph. Sure could have got robin lopez (WOOO!) good defender now, 3 years wont be half player randolph is.

SJax and Maggette:
-agree with our point as complimentary peices which is why im anti-maggette. Unnecessary purchase that ties us to an overvalued contract at a position of heavy traffic. I’d rather trade him and give randolph some of those minutes. and when monte comes back… 4 players who play same position all making 10 mil? I see mags as most expendable

CJ Watson:
-I think CJ is overrated, he tries to score too much, selfish point when not being a good scorer (he’s not baron or cp3 or chauncey). Still a good backup i suppose

Morrow:
-Safe to say his 15 mins are fading out, but yes, he could be a good 3 pt specialist. Still his defense sux. If hes only gonna sit at perimeter, he needs to bring defense. I want bellinelli to get more chances than morrow

Crawford:
-Still a great deal for the dinosaur Al. Him and monta may compliment each other as they r both hyprid points. Neither are natural, both can handle.

Monta:
-I think monta will be fine. give him a month or so to get into flow of new team dynamic. I hope nelli doesnt make him run point exclusively. I love him in a rip hamilton/AI role coming off screams, handling occasionally. I think if we expect him to play like baron, e’l be disapointed and it wont utilize his abilities to the best

Team Defense: You’re 100% right on team D.
 Maybe when we can try a -jackson, crawford, randolph, turiaf, biedrins lineup at times. I really think randolph has potential to be a shut down defender at 3 spot. That length, quickness… you thought tashaun was hard to get a shot over….

I think the issue with why people feel Goose is soft, is because this league has become a giant dunk competition.

Nowadays anytime a center gets the ball in the paint he tries to dunk it, whether he knows he’ll miss it, or he gets fouled and can’t shoot 3s.

So we automatically assume this guy is tough because he’s aggressive trying to dunk, and anyone who does otherwise is soft.

Personally, I’d prefer to watch Beans use his body and the rim to ward off defenders, and lay it in softly, than watch Amar´e try to dunk everything he catches and miss it half of the time.

Smart ball does not equal soft ball.

I’d rather he complement Andris. I don’t want anyone we draft sitting on the bench cheering.