Should the W's Consider Trading Randolph?
First, let me apologize to Anthony if he reads this. It's gotta feel like he's on a rollercoaster these days. I almost hesitate to post this poll, because you never know how it might turn out...
That being said, I want to get everyone here's opinion. The W's are sliding into suckdom, I think we'll all agree. When this happens, folks tend to panic or demand drastic action. Obviously, we all know that we're missing Monta -- but I think we also probably agree that he's not singlehandedly going to turn things around.
So, let's consider the state of affairs. It feels like the Warriors are on the verge of going into fire-sale mode. Front office chaos, disgruntled players, major losing streak, etc. All the signs are there. This would be the time the vultures smell desparation and start circling...
With that as a background, and with the recognition that we're already 7-20 this season (which makes the playoffs seem pretty darn near out of the question for 2009), I ask you loyal fans:
Would you consider trading Anthony Randolph?
Give your answer within the context above, and without any fantasies that we're going to get someone magic like LeBron or Wade. If we were to trade him, it would almost certainly be in a package deal with one of our vets (Maggette, Crawford, maybe even Jackson at this point). Given our fire-sale mode, we'd most likely get someone of roughly equivalent value -- so for example Maggs and Randolph for Gerald Wallace.
It might happen, so now's the time to speak up. Should we entertain offers? Should he be untouchable?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Why do people want Gerald Wallace so bad.
He’s basically Corey Maggette v 1.0.2. No on Gerald Wallace and no on trading Anthony Randolph. No on trading anyone besides Jack and Maggette and Azubuike.
Nelly has wet dreams about starting Monta at center.
by StSaints408 on Dec 20, 2008 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So basically, no trading anyone but the guys who don’t have much if any trade value?
by jae on Dec 20, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has trade value eventually.
If we have to eat their contracts while they play limited PT, so be it. Eventually someone will become fascinated with what they have to offer, and see them as “unexploited talents wasting away on the GSW bench”…. In the meantime, live with your mistake. Fans will be way more pissed if we trade away youth to unload the vets. Baby with the bath water, or throwing good money after bad, or whatever metaphor you want to use…
by b.radley on Dec 20, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have noticed that fans find something to be pissed about when teams are losing and find reason to forgive anything when teams are winning. If trading away youth means wins, fans by and large will be ok with it. If trading away youth is purely a financial move to avoid paying vets as well, no one will be pleased.
by jae on Dec 20, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe this:
He runs the floor great, rebounds, and defends. A piece that would fit great with the warriors. He is one of the few players to have averaged 2 blk and 2stl per game in a season. Also, averages 7 rebs.Nothing like Maggette in that regard.
by gobigg415 on Jan 9, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace Dont.....
need the ball as much as Maggeette to score, he gets putbacks and transition points, oh yea and wont fire up threes like maggette. Also much better defender and rebounder at the four spot playing small.
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 20, 2008 1:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WALLACE
IS ONE OF THE TOP OFFENSIVE REBOUNDERS IN THE LEAGUE!!! WE NEED THAT!
Dunleavy's #1 Fan !!!
by KMC on Dec 21, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he also has...
Dreads, perfect for the bay
Dunleavy's #1 Fan !!!
by KMC on Dec 21, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say no.
AR hasnt been here a whole season yet and its not like hes incompetent. He shows some flashes but he needs time. Imagine yourself coming out of a draft at 13, into a franchise that lost some key players (jrich baron ect.)…into a franchise where fans have high expectations and some are still trying to ride the coat tails of the we believe season. There is tremendous pressure on all of these young guys to produce and even get minutes. All of these lost games just compounds the problem.
I honestly do believe we have alot of talent and depth with these young guys but, it is going to take some time. Right now, we are built for the future and SORT OF built for “the now.” I say no on trading AR because of his potential. Give it till the end of the season, then evaluate and proceed as necessary.
Im a little skeptical of Gerald Wallace. We need a solid PF that can score, rebound and command a double team. I dont know how wallace would hold up at the 4 against elite PF’s. Then again, I dont pay that much attention to wallace. Just looking at his numbers, it seems like he could contribute, but we need to address our lack of beef in the front court.
by Butt Secks on Dec 20, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say, that’s a rather large percentage of people who say that they’ll “give up” on the team if they trade a #14 overall pick. It’s not like most analysts or GMs saw him as a can’t miss star. They saw him as a very talented athlete with a ton of question marks. That still completely describes him. Guys drop to #14 for a reason. Either they’re not top level talent or there’s something in their game that says it’s less than likely that the talent will be realized. I think a case could be made either way for Randolph, depending on whether you consider taking care of the ball and understanding your own limits and shot are ‘talent’ or not. But either way, he’s not a sure thing, certainly not the sort of sure thing that you consider ‘untouchable’.
I wouldn’t give Randolph away, but there’s a strong, strong tendency for fans to overvalue their own team’s players, and in this case, I think that people have a far, far unrealistic opinion of what he’s likely to be. What he’s likely to be is different from what he could be, and that has to be acknowledged. Right now he’s a lottery ticket. Great payout, but long odds. I wouldn’t give him away simply to get rid of a contract that still won’t get us to the point where we can acquire someone else, but if there’s talent coming back for him, considing him ‘untouchable’ means you’ve got all your eggs in the basket that he becomes a star.
by jae on Dec 20, 2008 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can't win if you don't bet.
There are three empirical ways to get a superstar in this league:
1. Go sucko for the year and win the lottery (Lebron, Duncan, Shaq, AI).
2. Make a smart bet on a “potential” guy and get lucky (Kobe, Wade, Amare).
3. Rob other teams (Gasol, KG)
Granted, we’re working on #1. But otherwise, sometimes you just gotta make an educated bet… Personally, I’ve watched every W’s game this year (including going to Vegas for summer league), I’m a season ticket holder, and I’m willing to make the bet. I’ll endure another 50 games of sucko this year if it means AR gets his minutes and we get to see him mature. I want 2-3 full seasons out of him before we hit eject. And I’ll be especially pissed if we use him in a trade package to make up for another front office mistake…
by b.radley on Dec 20, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2. Make a smart bet on a "potential" guy and get lucky (Kobe, Wade, Amare).
Wade, as a “potential” guy, was someone who shot the ball well in college and rebounded far above average for his position. Calling him a “potential” guy in the same sense that Randolph is a “potential” guy isn’t a fair comparison. There is “potential” where the results previously were encouraging (as was the case with Wade) and guys where the resuls were not so encouraging (as was the case with Randolph). It’s important to distinguish between the two. You do have to make an educated bet. It’s curious though why so many seem to disregard the “he wasn’t particularly impressive in college and had some fatal flaws that are rarely fixed” part of the equation. I don’t think people are making educated bets when they rate Randolph highly. They’re making long-shot bets. The two aren’t the same.
by jae on Dec 20, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew Wade would get a comment.
You’re right, he’s less of a gamble as he showed more stability and maturity in college — a little like Brandon Roy. But the others are still applicable.
All I’m saying is that you gotta take some chances to get the big payoff. Right now, we have 2 options: we’re on the way to #1, and Randolph could be #2. I’m not saying we sign him to a 5 year $10MM contract (although I’d rather see him play than Maggs)… But I’m intrigued. I want to see this thing through for a year or two. I think it’s worth the “gamble”, as there’s no real gamble anyway. I guess that’s really the point.
He has tangible potential, and most of the fans want to wait and see what happens… We waited 3 years for POB, for goodness sakes… And I think we all agree that we’re not going to get a franchise-changer in a trade that includes Randolph anyway. So short of a true franchise changer (and I can’t even think of any that might be available right now), most of us would like to wait and see if he might blossom into another young piece we can build around…
by b.radley on Dec 20, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really know how one went about judging the HS talent when they were eligible for the draft. Obviously, had Randolph never played in college, we’d not have that to go on and he’d have to be evaluated however HS players were/can be evaluated. That can bring you a Kobe Bryant or a Amare Stoudemire or Jonathan Bender or Darius Miles or Kwame Brown. They were all gambles accordingly.
But those are different situations and not entirely applicable either. Those were much more gambles on potential with nothing to temper the the potential information. If Kobe played a year in college and was a ho-hum shooter who bounced the ball off his foot too often, the comparison would be valid. Comparing a situation where we didn’t know anything -there was no college record to go on- with a situation where there is something to go on is not the same. Randolph wasn’t an unknown. It wasn’t a “he’s immensely talented, but has only gone up against guys he should dominate”. It was “he’s immensely talented, but didn’t dominate at the college level and showed some things that should be a real concern”. (He also played on a HS team that lost half its games—another concern, though there could have been more going on there too.) Why ignore that and say that it’s just like picking a HS guy about whom you know less? You know more and the more in this case was a warning flag. Comparing Stoudemire to Randolph is comparing ’don’t have a clue how he’d have shot in college’ to ‘have a clue, wasn’t particularly good.’
I am not saying that he is destined for failure. I’d say that odds don’t favor the sort of success that so many seem to be not just saying is possible, but seem almost positive he’ll achieve. I’m saying that he’s a risk, and he’s a risk because we do know something about him. We have more than just the “he’s a great athlete” to weigh into the issue. Citing cases without such information doesn’t make Randolph a safer bet.
by jae on Dec 20, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say, that’s a rather large percentage of people who say that they’ll "give up" on the team if they trade a #14 overall pick.
I think it’s largely in part of who’s being rumored to be traded for him and that it doesn’t make sense for the Warriors to trade him at the moment.
The Warriors don’t need another guard especially if he doesn’t really answer most, if not all of their needs at that position: one who’s not a liability on defense, can distribute the ball well, make perimeter shots. The Warriors need a front court player but that’s a tricky subject because they need a big body that Nellie would be willing to play.
Their best bet of getting those are from a game changing player. This takes us to the second point. No one would give up a player like that for Randolph and a bad contract (which really is what the Warriors mostly have right now) so it narrows your trading options.
Trading him now, means getting exactly the type of players that we’re rumored to be getting. Good players, a little bit more refined, but also have just about the same numbers of question marks as the guy we’re giving up. Which makes absolutely no sense.
Getting guys like Wallace and Felton make us better this year. But that “better” means more about getting close to 30 wins than being in the playoff hunt which will hurt us just more because we’re talking about moving from the top half to the bottom of the lottery.
by lightz0ut on Dec 20, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WE DIDN'T PLAY WRIGHT
DIDN’T MEAN WE WERE GOING TO TRADE HIM
by HoLdEmUP on Dec 20, 2008 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CHRIS BROUSSARD IS A NUMBNUT
ALL THAT VIDEO WAS, WAS MEANT TO SPARK CONTROVERSY, IT WASN’T TRUE.
by HoLdEmUP on Dec 20, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Chris Broussard steal all your lowercase letters too?
by jae on Dec 20, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you don’t trade guys this talented and with this much heart. Guys like this don’t come around too often. And he’s only 19!!!!! Can’t wait to see him play into his early – mid twenties, He will be a force.
by runandgun on Dec 20, 2008 2:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do they really not come around often? Seriously. That keeps getting repeated, but I find it somewhat surprising that if he’s such a rare find he lasted to #14 and we knew he was a rare find at the time.
by jae on Dec 20, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kobe went 13.
draft is an inexact science…
by Warriors510 on Dec 20, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"First, let me apologize to Anthony if he reads this. "
Haha! Anthony, if you do read this you’ve won my support . I’ve been watching Warriors ball since 1974 and am not easy to please but you won me over with your hustle and athleticism. I know you are young and have a lot to learn but I want to see you grow here at Oaktown and not somewhere else so keep your head up young man.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 20, 2008 3:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that sir!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 20, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY!!!
STOP TRYING TO TRADE ALL OF OUR TALENT AWAY!!!
by Ali luvs monta on Dec 20, 2008 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nellie pointed out....
randolph just doesnt have alot of bball exerience period…. started playing organized ball late. had coching change in college. Its nothing we dont know but hes really raw EVEN for his age.
much more than kobe or garnett or lebron for ex. when they came out….
the thing about nellie not playing him is, hes mking sure he doesnt get into bad habits and works hard. for every guy w/ insane athletism length etc like kg…. how many tyrus thomas r there who have the tools but make so many mistakes….
give the kid alot of time.
by Warriors510 on Dec 20, 2008 7:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Randolph's Coachability
Randolph slipped in the draft because there were questions about his character and coachability. It seems to me those concerns were real. Ever since Nellie drafted that crazy kid who painted his face and tried to kill himself, he has been very careful about coachability and psychology. So, it’s hard for me to believe Randolph was his pick. In fact, Nellie has said so little about the draft the last two years, it’s hard for me to believe he had much to do with it. It seems to me it’s a real issue whether the Ws should make a trade and win some games or defer to the future. I am not nearly as high on Wright and Randolph as a lot of fans. They are new and every now and then they do something spectacular. A good portion of the time, particularly with Randolph, he has two mistakes for every great moment. I think the Richardson for Wright trade was a disaster. If the Ws couldhn’t get a better player for Richardson, they shouldn’t have made the deal. I would have made the deal the Bobcats just made though. Diaw would be a great player on a Nellie team. I read these polls and I can’t believe them. What exactly has Chris Mullin done? Nellie has a track record for making trades that netted him Sidnye Moncrief, Bob Lanier, Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash. Mullin hasn’t made a trade for a guy who can carry those guys suit cases. If you are going to hire Nellie, which is what the Ws have done, they need to give him the kind of players he can win with now. It’s lie Regan said when he was president, “At may age I don’t have a lot to lose.” I don’t think Nellie signed on to babysit. And it is just amazing to me that fans who have only gone to the playoffs with Nellie in years and years (I can’t count that far) want to get rid of him and watch players who don’t understand the basics of the game and follow a good man rather than a skilled basketball man. It’s a dirty business.
by Marques8 on Dec 20, 2008 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You don't trade Bigs for Smalls
and win in the NBA.
But Nelson does all the time.
AR isn’t playing for a reason. The reason is Nelson doesn’t get it.
by formerlythecity on Dec 20, 2008 11:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Nellie is burying the poor guy then he deserves a chance elsewhere.
Don’t let AR become a martyr to Nelson’s public crucifixions.
Trade him for Felton for all I care.
So long as a team will sincerely feign an interest in the guy.
As opposed to Nelson’s schizophrenic minute divisions and readiness to punish easily correctable rookie mistakes whilst letting more established players shoot .100 from the field.
by so ill so d0pe on Dec 21, 2008 3:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
AR vs TY
Young is a pretty good player but i don’t know is he has more potential than AR
by GSW9 on Dec 22, 2008 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
3 way deal
Twolves receive-AR, Marco Belinelli, Ronnie Brewer and the expiring deals of Jarron Collins and Marcus Williams
Jazz receive-Mike Miller, Corey Maggette
Warriors receive-Carlos Boozer, Kevin Love
by sam23 on Dec 22, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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