Warriors' Coverage
The San Jose Mercury, once a great newspaper, offers not a hint of balance. Tim Kawakami reduces the game to soap opera and spends all of his time trying to figure out if Dick really will get down with Jane on Search for Tomorrow. Marcus Thompson writes short but negative. And his blog is organized around the big question, What do you think? Adam Lauridsen tries to be balanced, but this year it's proving too much for him.
The Chronicle is more balanced but very sleepy. It's really hard to stay awake through one of its stories. I only read it because I need a sedative after one of Tim K.'s breatheless irrelevancies. Geoff Lepper knows he's writing a blog, but I am not sure he knows why. Steinmetz is all over the place. He can be smart on a given day and wild as the wind the next. And he seems to always find a negative story after the occasional positve game.
When you combine this with all the Nellie-Rowell hating going on the fan sites, it's hard to find much actual basketball writing. There's a lot of negativity on this site, but your chances are still better here of finding smart commentary, some balanced writing, and some evidence of thought. What does this say about sportswriting in the wanning days of newspapers and particularly of Bay Area jurnalism? That it's a New York wanna be? Steinmetz wants us to take seriously Sam Smith, the Chicago trade proposer with a New York mind who last made contact with earth when Jordan won the championship. And Tim K is obviously Pete Vescey in training. It's actually a pretty sad commentary and if you want evidence it reflects a more generalized phenomena, watch the bozo questions the beat writers ask at the press conferences during the NBA finals. It really doesn't matter what the coach wants to say, the writers all want to talk about character.
You have a hall of fame coach in the making who has a winning record at every stop, a guy who has built three franchises, and a guy who gave you your only playoff appearance in decades. And hs is second-guessed at every turn. Some of the journalism is so hostile, in fact, that it would take a saint to ever talk to these guys again. There's a pretty thick veil over the Warrior organization. I wonder why. Tim K wrote a story about Nellie choosing greed over loayalty and it's not based on a single source, named or anonymous. Why should I trust him? Well, I shouldn't and that's the way I feel about most of the writing.
I am a reasonable man, but I read a lot of this bilk and want to get up, put on a bright red Indiana sweatshirt, kick a chair, and yell "Bobby Knight was right." There's evidence every day on this site of some of the worst of the sportswriting tendencies, but of something you don't seem to find anywhwere else: smart people talking real basketball issues. Pretty soon sportswriters are going to have to defend why we even need them.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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a paragraph, use them………. i tried to read this but got lost somewhere in the middle
"Don't be nervous, Be at their service".
by SlimShady on
Dec 23, 2008 3:00 AM PST
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Leper, he is putting up good stuff over at 48 minutes, and Steinmentz. While I might not always agree with MS, he does post some good stuff. Fast Break is solid as well.
What is the status of our petitions to fire Robert Rowell and have Chris Cohan commit Hari Kiri, or at least sell the team?
by warriorsscore110 on
Dec 23, 2008 8:52 AM PST
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The Bay Area Sports Coverage Ain't Perfect
And you bring up a lot of good points, particularly about the Warriors coverage. I also have my own critiques of the local Bay Area sports media (mainstream and independent), but criticizing them for being “negative” isn’t one of them. The teams (aside from the Sharks) just flat out stink. It’s so bad that your average educated fan could run these teams better.
To be overly positive and cheery about their current states would be misreporting or poorly analyzing what’s going on. Thank goodness- we got jokes!
by Atma Brother ONE on
Dec 23, 2008 10:03 AM PST
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Not A Cheery Fellow Really
Communication is tough. I am about the most uncheery guy you could imagine. I wouldn’t want boosters. What I want is reporters who understand enough about the game to be balanced in writing about it. I don’t see that here. There seems to be this view you can only play the game one way. The truth is there are theories of basketball and just because a guy doesn’t have yours doesn’t mean he is wrong. This goes for bringing up players too.
There’s this story about Nellie from Milwaukee. It’s probably circulated out here too. Nellie is standing around with the team broadcaster and two or three reporters. He pullls out a $100 bill and offers to the guy who can diagram one of the Bucks plays. No takers.
I just don’t think the coverage is very rational given the level of knowledge of those writing it. i am eager for someone to help me understand the game better, whether the writer is positive or negative. But I stand by my comment. This coverage is very far from balanced and right now it’s on the negative side. On sunny days, they will all be homers.
by Marques8 on
Dec 23, 2008 11:23 AM PST
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There’s this story about Nellie from Milwaukee. It’s probably circulated out here too. Nellie is standing around with the team broadcaster and two or three reporters. He pullls out a $100 bill and offers to the guy who can diagram one of the Bucks plays. No takers.
Classic Nellie.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Dec 23, 2008 12:33 PM PST
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He pullls out a $100 bill and offers to the guy who can diagram one of the Bucks plays.
Why din’t they just draw a guy driblin around for 22 seconds then tossing up a three or losing the ball?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on
Dec 24, 2008 4:45 PM PST
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He said Bucks plays, not Warrior plays. LOL.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Dec 24, 2008 11:27 PM PST
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Sportswriting
I consider sportswriting barely journalism. If this were politics or the economy, the reporter would not directly contradict the coach. He would find another qualified person to contest the views. So, the way I see this I really don’t care if Matt or Tim or Geoff don’t like the way Nellie coaches or brings up AR. It’s just mostly a lot of noise. But there are a lot of retired coaches who would speak off the record and I would be interested in what they have to say. They have the qualififcations to speak. Most sportswriters don’t know as much as the best people writing on sites like these. And they have a lot of power to keep things stirred up, more than they deserve. Right now that power comes from questioning every move, but when the team wins they endorse most moves. How are you going to put any trust in guys like that?
by Marques8 on
Dec 23, 2008 11:51 AM PST
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But there are a lot of retired coaches who would speak off the record and I would be interested in what they have to say. They have the qualififcations to speak.
Excellent point. Let me see what we can do there. We’ve had scouts like Jonathan Givony (DraftExpress) and Aran Smith (NBADraft.net) on in the past and that was incredibly interesting.
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/section/interviews (flip through the archives)
It’d be great to get a coach’s take as well.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Dec 23, 2008 12:25 PM PST
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It may be journalism, but it’s not news. I agree that the paper would be much better served writing more informational stories, or more practically getting them from their sister papers. I think a lot of sports fans would be interested in what’s happening in the rest of the markets, I know I am. But the local papers pretty much exclusively provide articles on local teams. And the reality is, there isn’t that much to write on a daily basis when you’re not providing opinion, reporting rumors, or causing controversy. Purdy, Kawakami, and the like are basically hired as editorialists to keep everyone entertained and talking. Local “news” long ago became infotainment.
by jmaaan on
Dec 24, 2008 12:06 AM PST
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Local "news" long ago became infotainment.
Why don’t they go ask players questions? Like ask Rudolf how he feels bout getting dissed by Nellie? or Marco what brought on his recent improvement? The obvious stuff that we see every game. Getting real info would make their jobs a lot more useful and would give them some street cred. A player will respect a reporter that is honest and fair and they could use the media to press their message to management.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on
Dec 24, 2008 4:58 PM PST
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I’d love to see that, or more correctly read that. But players might just be too well trained by the PR staff to ever give honest answers, because it could disrupt the team. A reporter with balls would at least look to uncover the truth behind the Randolph/Nellie incident, but we get nothing.
by jmaaan on
Dec 26, 2008 1:48 PM PST
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I don’t put too much stock in local writers anyway. I have found them to be not very objective in my experience. Either being complete homers or hating on the area team. Many times because the guys on the team give them interviews, they give them positive press (you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours) or the opposite, no access and then the media rips them.
I don’t like that kind of stuff. I prefer to get my sports news from national sources like espn. They have some good basketball shows, or other shows sometimes touch on basketball. But yes, it is hard when ESPN hardly ever mentions the lowly Warriors this year, so not much to go off of there.
But it’s all about credibility, if you don’t trust the source, then don’t listen to them. Pretty simple. Find another outlet, a fan site like this usually has some good info on it and you can filter through the homerism that exists. I have been very satisfied with my Warriors info from watching games and reading on this forum.
by runandgun on
Dec 23, 2008 7:12 PM PST
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BSPN?
Come on they post some BS PR crap as well.
I like beat writers like Kawakami, Thompson, Lepper and Steinmetz. But…I think you have to read them all with a grain of salt as well. If two or three of them are reporting the same thing…then there’s a pretty good chance of that being the correct story. Kawakami may make things out to be more than they really are, but he’s never been way off base. He’s more of a “where there’s smoke there’s fire” kind of guy anyway.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Dec 23, 2008 10:04 PM PST
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Absolutely
They aren’t writing for a scientific journal, they are writing for papers, websites and or magazines. They aren’t limited to facts, but are paid to rely on hunches, instinct and beliefs, and you can tell when they are doing so.
As for second guessing Nellie, coaches receive massive acclaim when things go well, so why shouldn’t they be criticized when things go poorly? Nelson is a mad scientist. I will revere him always for the We Believe miracle, but he is absolutely pooping the bed on this one, and deserves to be second guessed. He is a guy that can come in and do amazing things, or he can destroy everything. Currently, he is doing the latter and he deserves all of the second guessing and criticism that is being heaped his way.
by chacabuco on
Dec 24, 2008 9:18 AM PST
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I will add
The blame game fueled by the local and now mainstream media against Don Nelson is flat out ridiculous and unfair. Their kiddie treatment of Chris Mullin and refusal to actually analyze the glaring mistakes on his resume is equally silly.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Dec 23, 2008 11:48 PM PST
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Nelson isn’t infallible. If he deserves credit when they overachieve, he deserves criticism when they underachieve. It’s not that we’re losing, it’s that we’re losing and the organization is imploding. Nelson has a track record as a winning coach, he also has a track record of leaving teams in turmoil. I think it’s fair to be concerned about him leaving us in that situation again.
Mullin has made mistakes for sure. He’s been an average GM, thus far, in my opinion. But he hasn’t been bad enough to get fired and making a power change after two winning seasons doesn’t seem to make sense in this case. Remember, he agreed with BD on a 3 year extension that was shot down by Rowell and this team looks very different with BD and without Maggette. So while he hasn’t been Dumars by any means, he seems to be respected in the league, he’s made mistakes but done a decent job of correcting those mistakes, he’s provided us our first winner in a long time, and he seemed to be making the right decisions in the offseason, before being dethroned.
So all in all, I guess I disagree to an extent. I think Nelson does deserve some blame, he has fallen short of expectations with the current team. And I think being upset about Mullin’s marginalization is justified. Especially when it’s not an obviously well thought out move and he’s not been replaced with a better alternative.
by jmaaan on
Dec 24, 2008 12:21 AM PST
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Mullin vs Nelson
It’s no contest. Mullin is a figure head who should have never been hired. His blown draft picks, poor trades (Marcus Williams and Jamal Crawford, J-Rich), and failure to use a single trade exception are the main reason why this on court product stinks and we’re watching a bunch of D-Leaguers and players who should be in college. I have yet to see or hear any evidence that the Maggette signing wasn’t his move either.
Mullin has done plenty to deserve to not be extended. Why does the guy get props for correcting mistakes? That’s a 0 score, not a plus. Don’t forget the Foyle contract is still on the books this year. Again if this was Chris Smith he would’ve been canned years ago.
Nellie is a legendary coach and scout who puts Mullin’s resume to shame. The expectations were out of wack for this team. This roster with all the injuries just isn’t good enough to compete.
I will bank on Nellie and Larry Riley being able to run a better show once Mullin’s ousted. See Mavericks, Dallas. Mullin needs Nellie. Nellie doesn’t need Mullin one bit.
Rumor: Don Nelson and Chris Mullin Battling at Golden State?
by Atma Brother ONE on
Dec 24, 2008 8:53 AM PST
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But it sounds like many GM’s around the league are confused as to why Mullin is being treated the way he is.
I agree that he’s blown a couple of 1st round draft picks in the past (Mikael, Ike, and Patrick to name a few), and the FA signings have been horrid (Derek, Adonal, Troy, Mike D.). But most of those mistakes came at the beginning or near the beginning of his tenure.
The Jrich trade is a wash still imo. Jrich was never the type of player you build your franchise around. I remember we all compared him to rising SG superstars at the time like Michael Redd and Joe Johnson. Jrich is definitely more Redd than he is Johnson because both Redd and Jrich are too one dimensional. They only look to score and aren’t highly efficient at it either. Johnson is the leader in Atlanta. But he also does so many other things besides scoring. The Jrich trade was a risky trade. We are all still hoping on Wright’s potential. I have a feeling though that he’d be putting up 10-7-2 numbers consistently right now if he’d get A. the consistent playing time, and B. played a little more his rookie season.
Failing to use the TPE can’t be solely based on Mullin’s shoulders. As much as i’d like them to have used it, who would they have used it on? The Nuggets surely would not have traded Camby to us at the deadline last year. Joe Smith? Earl Watson? Delonte West? How much of an impact would these guys (sans Camby) really had on our team last year? We can argue all we want but we’ll never know.
He at least attempted to re-sign Baron to a reasonable (at least i thought the extension was reasonable) contract to lock him up for 4 more years. We all see how vital Baron is/was to our team. We lack a true PG and that is exactly what we need right now. Our ball movement has been so poor we have had to change our offense to dribble drives and kick outs. Our fast breaks have been non-existent, and when they do present itself, selfish play and wrong passes usually end up being the culprit to the botching that play.
He was not in on the Sjax re-signing. Quite simply, this was the stupidest deal of the year. Things have soured so quickly between Jack and the Warriors that there are now rumors out there saying that Jack would not mind being traded. Jack is a great complimentary player, but he’s not the superstar you lock up for multiple seasons.
I still don’t know who was the main guy behind the Maggette signing. Whomever it was needs to be fired right now. Some have said that Mullin was out of the loop by then, but not everyone is saying that so we really don’t know.
Finally, i can’t believe some still think Nellie is the best coach for a young team. He already has this negative attitude when talking about his team. He’s already stated that the team won’t make the playoffs. He’s already walked off the court before the game was completed. He’s already walked out on a shootaround. Not to even mention the way he jerks around the young players. And i’m talking about the important young players that should get more time, not the other young players like Azu, CJ, Nelson, or Kurz. He is not sending the right message to the young players.
Also, 15 years ago he forced Chris Webber out of town. Cohan sided with Nellie and then Nellie quit half a year later. What good did that do? It sounds eerily similar this time around where we are now hearing rumors about every piece we have available to trade. Please, we need to keep our young pieces together first before we get rid of them. This is why i’m kind of against a Maggette trade if it means trading one of Randolph or Wright. We need to see what they can do this season before giving up. We can get Maggette his minutes, but he needs to be coming off the bench. Especially when Monta comes back, because they will not gel together. If it comes to a standoff between sending out a player or firing Nelson, please, Cohan remember the past before you are doomed to repeat it!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Dec 24, 2008 12:36 PM PST
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But it sounds like many GM’s around the league are confused as to why Mullin is being treated the way he is.
meh. that’s how Bucher makes it sound. doesn’t mean it’s true. the media says Mully’s not around the practice facility any more and uses it to speculate a Nelly/Mully riff, but what they don’t tell you is that he’s never around during this time b/c he’s off doing college scouting and whatnot.
i believe Webber when he returned to the Warriors that it wasn’t just a CW vs Nellie situation – he was manipulated by a “journalist” who wanted to create a scandal to further his own career by feeding “information” and “quotes” to orchestrate the whole thing – one Ric Bucher… he used Webber’s youth and distaste for playing center to make a typical young player not seeing what’s best for the team situation into a rift of epic proportions – imagine if Bucher, Bayless, or TK were the beat writers for the Phoenix Suns; i’d bet we’d of heard a lot more out of Amare than we have about playing center under D’Antoni or the offense not going through him under Porter, but the Phoenix media isn’t as shameless.
back in ‘05-06 and ’06-07 there was a huge uproar about Bynum not getting minutes over Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm by the fanbase, but the media down here didn’t fan the flames and when Bynum got his chance last season there were no reports about why he didn’t play sooner – merely stories of how his time had finally come and how hard he’d worked to get to this point. think that’d be the case if Bucher, Bayless, or TK were down here?
too bad for TK that he doesn’t have his own Webber or Terrell Owens to help him get on ESPN.
by the evil monkey on
Dec 24, 2008 3:19 PM PST
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This time around its not the writers who are jerking around the young player’s minutes. It’s not the writers who’ve given up hope on this team. It’s not the writers who signed correy maggette to his contract or extended Sjax.
Nellie should be given credit for uplifting this franchise. But he did it with a veteran team in 07’. He did it with the Mavs with a veteran team as well. He’s never had this many young players playing at one time in the recent past. You know he doesn’t like that, especially now that he’s within sight of Lenny Wilkins for all time leader in wins. He wants to shake up this team and quite honestly i don’t think that’s the best interest of the team. And if all the rumors are true, not all of the organization believes in Nellie either.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Dec 24, 2008 4:24 PM PST
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meh. we don’t know whether all these rumors of trades are true. look at the W’s history the past 2.5 yrs – trades came out of the blue. i think it’s reasonable to assume that rumored trades are likely to be coming from the other side.
well yeah, it was Mullin who signed Corey, approved by Rowell. Nellie always plays this underdog “we have no chance” bit, but there is no guarantee that he tells this to his own players – Belichick (among w/ many many other coaches) does the exact same thing. hell, O’brien just did this last week. most young player’s minutes fluctuate on almost every team in the NBA. if the W’s had Durant or Rose, i’m betting they would easily get consistent minutes, but that’s not the type of young players we have. you don’t hear this kind of whining for Beasley or Tyrus Thomas. i bet if we were privy to the practices as Nellie and his assistants are we’d be singing a different tune.
why are the W’s the most dramatized franchise? b/c of the media here. if you’ve lived in areas outside of the bay as i have, you see that other coaches do and say the same types of things. young players throughout the country want more playing time. it’s one thing to be against Nellie’s penchant for small ball. it’s another to get sucked in by the media and assume this is some kind of soap opera and make mountains out of mole hills.
the bulls are much more drama filled with Ben Gordon’s contract, Deng’s touches, Thabo, Tyrus & Joakim’s minutes, etc. but you hardly hear anything while places like the bay and NY are filled w/ drama that is overstated by their local medias.
W’s fans probably would enjoy soaps and anything else super drama filled like those Real World shows or that ABC show (name escapes me) w/ Tony Parker’s fiance. seriously, we need to stop falling for this “sky is falling” journalism.
by the evil monkey on
Dec 25, 2008 10:08 AM PST
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Nellie is not the right coach for this team right now. If we had veteran players then yea, i’d say Nellie could probably take this team somewhere. But not with the players he has right now.
I don’t think our media is any worse than any other major media market: Chicago, New York and LA. Say what you want about blowing little things into epic proportions, but the fact that no one can argue is that we are playing horrible basketball. We have many holes on this roster and less talent than we thought. We are filled with mismatching parts and ineffective individual players. We play no defense to cover up our cold shooting nights (which are more and more frequent). The sense of urgency is not there, and we have no chip on our shoulder. We don’t look inspired out there. I believe that if it were any other coach besides Nellie, he’d be fired right now. He’s clearly not done the best job handling this team. Blame whomever you want, the players, front office or the coaching staff, someone has to be held accountable for this. And it’s not the writers.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Dec 25, 2008 12:51 PM PST
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yeah, but i thought this fanpost was about the tabloid-like media coverage on the dubs. no?
i live in LA now. it’s not worse here. maybe b/c there is real drama in the form of celebrities. who knows. from prosportsdaily.com you can read other papers – dubs writers are the only ones that regularly come across as a tabloid gossip column outside of Sam Smith and Peter Vecsey.
and the fact remains that Bucher is as unreliable as they come when it comes to Nellie. he has no problem admitting he hates Nellie so you always got to take in the agenda factor..
by the evil monkey on
Dec 27, 2008 12:07 AM PST
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It’s not Mullin versus Nellie, one versus the other. Comparing them towards each other isn’t the right way to go, because one will look better than the other, and that can be misconstrued as one looking good.
Negative 4 is greater than negative 5, but neither number is positive.
by belilaugh on
Dec 24, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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it all started with Ric Bucher
he who ruined the franchise. totally manipulated & played CWebb to further his career and get with ESPN…
Skip Bayless followed and the rest is history. TK has tried to repeat the formula, but hasn’t had the type of player to create a real scandal.
notice how the media continually points out to us and to the young guys that Nellie doesn’t play rookies or young guys even though history shows he does? (Richmond, Hardaway, Tyrone Hill, Big Vic, Gatling, Owens, Webb, Spree, Carlos Rogers, Josh Howard, Devin Harris, etc). why? to start controversy and manipulate the young guys that it’s not that they aren’t ready or don’t work hard enough – it’s just b/c nellie hates young players. too bad most basketball players are so stupid that they fall for these media tricks.
most fans are easily swayed by the media as most ppl are swayed by the news. they’re like judges or critics on tv singing & dancing contests. most chicks i know like who they like until a judge points out mistakes and tells them to like something different… the only difference is that at least the judge is qualified to make that view. none of these journalists are qualified to tell us anything about basketball. they probably are like dumb ass Marcus Williams who actually thought we don’t run any plays or aren’t functioning within an offensive set.
i like Lepper for his #‘s (though i ignore all of his opinions) and rummage through Hu, MT & Steinmetz for news, but i ignore TK, Lauridsen and Cohn b/c it’s mostly opinion.
TK occasionally hits on something – but the W’s are usually worse off for it. imagine if the Al wants to leave the W’s story hadn’t of hit? his trade value probably would of been a lot higher and we probably could of been a lot more patient with the timing. not likely, but if we wanted to package him with Corey for Marion’s expiring, it’s a lot more plausible w/ Al’s contract definitely coming off in ’10. Jack just got a lot harder to trade with his apparent inability to take criticism (which even if not true will be perceived by ignorant fanbases to be such).
by the evil monkey on
Dec 24, 2008 2:32 PM PST
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Kawakami is the best
Are you nuts? We’re lucky to have him. He’s one of the few guys out there that tells it like it is.
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by dantheman85x on
Dec 25, 2008 1:59 PM PST
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Ric Bucher and Tim Kawakami
After reading Bucher’s article on ESPN, I felt bad for saying anything critical about Matt, Adams, Jenny , even Marcus. Bucher is Tim K. gone nastional, and, in fact, most of the sources for his story of Nellie’s “recurring nightmare” are from Tim. So, you have Kawakami story about a confrontation that likely didn’t happen and an interpretation of a Nellie meeting wit Randolph that is likely overblown and Bucher pastes them together and adds a little meaness to put on his old Nellie sources and bingo, an ESPN exclusive. Give me a break. I wrote Bucher when Nellie was in Dallas about some unnecessary abuse he was giving the “Nelson Boys.” He wrote back that he was so sick of those guys that it was hard for him to resist but perhaps he had gone over the top in that instance. What kills about all this is the way a non-story moves to a national vehicle and then moves back here as having great substantiation when it is the same empty vessel that left town and it began in one of Kawakami’s hysterical pieces. I wrote both Tim and the San Jose Mercury News about the lack of sources in any of Tim’s stories early in December. Because I teach journalism, I normally get the courtesy of a reply. Not so here. I don’t have a copy of the piece I wrote the News, but here is the piece I sent Tim:
You know, you seem to never feel like you need one shred of evidence for anything you say. I have followed all that you guys have written about the inner turmoil of the Warrriors. Not a quote. Not an anonymous source. Not one thing that suggests a reader should trust you. And yet you are ripping guys new assholes right and left. We know who you like. We know who you don’t like. What we don’t get is any real evidence for how you made those decisions. Inferences, yes. Evidence, never. . . .I really think it is tabloid journalism. I believe in good columns. I even believe in columns as vitriolic as yours if they are based on reporting in the news columns. I don’t see any of you guys doing that reporting.
It’s hard for me not to think that your campaign isn’t personal, that Nellie at one time or another, or maybe continually, looks down on your knowledge of the game and you resent it. I have corresponded with Ric Bucher about his hatred for Nellie. Otherwise, I just don’t get it. You hadn’t been in the playoffs in years. First year back, there you are. Second year back, 48 wins. And you would have been there again, if the Warriors had gone out and gotten one other guy capable of giving them 20 minutes..
Now they are losing. And the criticism is as constant as the pus from a staph infection. He’s playing old, he’s playing small, he’s playing the wrong young guys, he doesn’t play Marcus, and blah-blah. This is a guy who has built three franchises and won more games than almost any other coach. Yes, he is an infighter, yes he wants his guys, yes maybe he’s not loyal. That’s what Heinsohn said (though I don’t know this). But he wins. And there is absolutely no guarantee, as Warrior history proves again and again, that management will go out and get another winner if you fire him.
I am not asking for much, just a little evidence. You are a reporter, too, aren’t you?
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Dec 25, 2008 3:15 PM PST
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All your points are taken, but I think it’s Kawakami’s job to write about all this crap, and the same goes for all the other writers, Bucher included. If you’ve been following the Bay Area sports teams as diligently as you have been with these sportswriters, than you probably wouldn’t be as critical of their work. My 49ers suck, my Raiders suck, my Giants suck, my A’s suck, and my beloved Warriors suck, and the bottom line is people want to know why. In order to know why, or at least be given some sort of explanation, sometimes these sportswriters have to take chances when writing articles and giving us their perspectives without any concrete evidence to show of. Yes, I said it, WITHOUT ANY CONCRETE EVIDENCE.
I don’t spend a whole bunch of my time following the work of these Bay Area writers because I spend the majority of my time actually watching these horrible teams play, so there’s no way I could argue with you point for point. However! I know enough to say that most of the times, these guys (and gals) turn out to be right anyway because they have their sources. That is to say, they have connections both within, and around, the different leagues. After all, these same Bay Area sportswriters were dead-on correct when they said that Norv Turner was going to leave the 49ers even after Turner had promised (verbally) that he would stay after a successful campaign as the team’s OC. These same writers also said that Barroid Bonds was an egotistical, arrogant, and selfish airhead who was a “me-first” kinda guy—it turns out they were right. These same writers were also correct in saying that Coach Eric Mussleman was losing his grip on the Warrior players during his head coaching days. They made these assertions without much supporting evidence at the time, but it turned out they were absolutely correct. “Musclehead”, as Erica Dampier put it, (oops! I meant Eric Dampier), wanted his players to toughen up, hussle, and play some god-damn defense. His players (specifically Jason Richardson and Dampier) didn’t respond, and thus he ‘lost’ the team. Richardson would later confirm that the stories of the rift he had with Coach Musslemen were all correct. I could go on some more, but the point is I listened as these writers spoke on the Razor and Mr. T show, the Murph and Mac show, and the Fitz and Brooks show, and at the time of reporting all these stories, I don’t recall them ever providing the listeners with any “concrete evidence” that included tasty quotes and soundbites. But, in the end, they were correct.
Oh yeah, in recent news, Kawakami and others have gone on record in saying (without evidence) that Chris Mullin would be out of the Warriors organization by the end of the season, or even sooner, because his views aren’t necessarily in line with the views of ownership. Are you gonna bash them for that too? Watch closely as this “source-less” story becomes reality, unfortunately…
Before I go, a couple more things: I should admit, in case you haven’t noticed, that I am biased in my response because I’m a Bay Area native, and I feel these writers have done a lot in providing me with the goods. Kawakami, Sacramento Bee’s Matt Barrows, Santa Rosa’s Press Democrat Matt Maioco, Warrior’s Beat Writer Marcus Thompson, Matt Steinmetz, and others, all provide me with the news I need to hear regarding the state of my Bay Area teams.
Lastly, I think Chacabuco said it best: “They aren’t writing for a scientific journal, [rather] they are writing for papers, websites and or magazines… [and] are paid to rely on hunches, instinct and beliefs, and you can tell when they are doing so.”
Happy Holidays to you and yours. Travel safe.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on
Dec 27, 2008 8:35 PM PST
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My 49ers suck, my Raiders suck, my Giants suck, my A’s suck, and my beloved Warriors suck, and the bottom line is people want to know why.
I’ll tell you why, it’s because they have crappy players and crappy coaching and crappy ownership. It’s not any one person’s fault. What people really want is someone to blame so they can believe that their beloved Team X is just one move away from the championship.
All the writing is BS “lowest common denominator” stuff. If they wrote about how plays are designed or provided truly insightful commentary, they’d lose the stupid crowd who doesn’t want to have to use their brain to learn the interesting aspects of the pick & roll. However, if they write about stupid things like random stupid rumors, they can excite people and only at the end of the article do the smart people realize “Wait a second, this is a fluff piece with no basis in reality!!!”, but they already clicked on the article, and they usually have an opinion. They only have to put out something interesting every now and then to keep the smart people coming back, and usually it’s by accident.
You cite a bunch of things that were correct, but they were all obvious to everyone who watched those teams on TV. Are you really saying you couldn’t tell Barry Bonds didn’t like people until the Bay Area writers told you? You mean to tell me that you actually believed Norv Turner would turn down a head coaching job with a team that just went 14-2? Have you been living under a rock? You’re also ignoring all the stupid rumor crap that they pander around as “journalism”, the shots they’ve been taking at Nellie, the absolutely useless interviews and interview questions they ask, the stupid trade rumors (yes this deserves its own section), the proclamations that “Player X is awful!!!” while ignoring the obvious, he’s injured.
I’ve got a news flash, of the Warriors ideal starting five, 3 have been injured all season (one missing every game, one missing half the games, and one playing hurt most of the season including missing a quarter of the games) and another has been injured/out for trade for a third of the season (between Al’s “back” and Crawford’s recent groin pull that’s 11 games missed). Our starters have already missed a combined 65 games and played another 20-30 games hurt. Take any NBA team, remove their best player, and wound their leader and their efficient veteran and then ask them to win an NBA game.
That’s seriously like taking KG, PP, and Jesus from the Celtics, removing PP entirely, breaking Ray Allen’s thumb and asking him to play on it, and giving KG a variety of maladies, then complaining that they’re not a title contender. The only reason this isn’t written up is that stating that injuries to starters are the main reason for the dismal record doesn’t exactly stir up conversation. This conversation doesn’t happen:
“Hey, did you hear?!?!? Kawakami said that we’ve got lots of injuries and that’s why we’re so awful!”
“WTFOMGBBQ?!?!?! I gotta go check it out! I can’t believe the guy!! Monta Ellis does NOT have a busted ankle, I don’t know what Kawakami is smoking!!! I’m so commenting on his blog about that!!!”
The “writers” are earning their clicks any way they can. You hardly earn clicks by writing about rational things. All writers since the beginning of time have earned their pay by getting people to pay attention to them. Whatever it takes. The problem is that there are so many of them now and they’ve learned to source each other instead of something real so they can make up random crap that the public eats up because, hey, who wouldn’t want to bring LBJ to the bay? I hear he wants to come because he likes cable cars and boxes of rice. You heard it here first (but once Kawakami reads it and posts it on his blog you’ll all credit him instead)!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on
Dec 29, 2008 7:24 PM PST
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