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Help Wanted: PF and PG positions now available

 A leader in professional sports, the Golden State Warriors, located in Oakland, CA are looking to fill two (2) key positions to help salvage a losing season and perhaps satisfy its customers. We are looking for a stud power forward and a super-quick all-star point guard. Founded in 1946 as the Philadelphia Warriors, the team has one NBA championship in recent memory. We are now aiming for a second championship to bring to Oakland. Will you be part of that team? Here are the details:

POWER FORWARD:
We are in need of a true power forward to help our star-in-the-making center, Andris Biedrins,  facilitate the boards and interior defense.

RESPONSIBILITIES:
- rebound, rebound, rebound
- establish interior defensive positioning for rebounding and/or blocking shots
- on offense, receive interior passes for easy dunks and buckets
- pass the ball with great accuracy to teammates from the high or low post
- take outside shots from time to time
- will report to Head Coach Keith Smart

REQUIREMENTS:
- must have at least 4 years NBA experience
- must have NBA All-Star credentials
- must weigh at least 240lbs
- must be at least 6'10
- must be physical and willing to bang
- must have at least a 36-inch vertical leap
- must be able to dunk with two hands without a running start
- must be able to scare off opposing players with nastiness
- quick leaper a plus
- outside shooting skills a HUGE plus
- prior college work experience a plus

NOTE: softies and those with Ivy League-like intelligence NEED NOT APPLY!

POINT GUARD:
The point guard will help lead the team in most of the game operations, such as ensuring a smoothly-run offense and defending well against opposing guards.

RESPONSIBILITIES:
- ensure the offense is running smoothly
- maintain a high assist-to-turnover ratio (preferably 5-1 or higher)
- setup teammates' favorite shots by penetrating and dishing
- help with rebounding
- help with defense
- will report to Head Coach Keith Smart

REQUIREMENTS:
- must have at least 4 years NBA experience
- must have NBA All-Star credentials
- must be explosive off the dribble
- must have excellent ball-handling skills
- must have superb passing skills in the open floor or half-court sets
- must know how to use screens properly
- must perform acrobatic shots regularly
- must be willing to take a charge and dive for loose balls
- perimeter shooting skills a HUGE plus
- athleticism a HUGE plus

COMPENSATION FOR BOTH POSITIONS:
- seven (7) or eight (8)  figure income possible
- free tacos from Taco Bell (if team scores over 110 points at home)
- numerous praises in the form of blogs and posts on GSoM
- and many more

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? Email us your resume NOW to:
gs_warriors_ceo@warriors.com

Or call 800-GSW-Hoop and ask for Chris Mullin or Robert Rowell.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Do you work in HR? I do and that’s a pretty good job posting! I’d apply, but I don’t meet the minimum requirements! =P

by scottiepimppen on Dec 23, 2008 8:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome post..

well thought out, funny and true

by highflya on Dec 24, 2008 12:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we don't need a PG because we have monta + jamal + belli

what we DO need is a FRIGGEN POST THREAT MY GOD. PF FRIGGIN NEEDED!!!!

by HoLdEmUP on Dec 23, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

none

are true PG’s…

all are 2’s…or 1.5’s

if we run 2 1.5’s (ellis + crawford) do we get a 1 and a 2? thats the real question

by DeepS on Dec 23, 2008 9:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do we?

lets see how things go running crawford + ellis + jack + 2 bigs

1.5 + 1.5 might = 1 + 2 :)

they both have very similar playstyle, will at least be fun to watch them run and gun/shoot

by DeepS on Dec 23, 2008 10:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

think of it this way

we have nobody who is considered by scouts as a good passer on our team outside of Marcus Williams and even he is more perception than reality. his 2 years in New Jersey statistically show that he’s a turnover prone passer ala Jack.

if a passing big man like Brad Miller was on our team, he’d likely be considered the team’s best passer. we might not need an elite PG, but with a team devoid of passers – we at least need a competent one to set up the offense. we definitely need a better primary and secondary offensive option to draw defenses, create open shots and make the game easier for our role players. whether Monta fills any of these 3 remains to be seen.

by the evil monkey on Dec 24, 2008 3:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but i do totally agree

that we need a good PF

im just saying…lets see what happens as far as the point gaurd position goes when monta is back with crawford. but ya..lets act ASAP to try to get a PF and get rid of maggs

by DeepS on Dec 23, 2008 10:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like my 2 1.5's

I wanna see crawford and the real monta together before we decide to look for a pass first point guard. A stud power forward is by far the most pressing need. We should try to get Mariusz Pudzianowski! He is all that is man!

by T-Money on Dec 25, 2008 10:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mainly my point about the PG

is because we honestly DON’T need anymore small men!! not because we couldn’t upgrade at that position.

by HoLdEmUP on Dec 24, 2008 1:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then lets cut CJ and Demarcus. They’re redundant anyway.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 24, 2008 3:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why cut cj

and not williams

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Dec 27, 2008 12:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Williams makes more than CJ and Demarcus.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 27, 2008 11:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PG is by far the biggest need.

Our guards all have that “shoot first” mentality.

CJ can’t run a fast break consistently to save his life. He’s not very creative off the dribble and has adequate handles. Doesn’t play consistent defense anymore.

Crawford is a shooter first, distributor second.

Nelson is a converted SG. He is not a very good shooter as well.

Belinelli is also a shooter first, playmaker second. Flashes potential as a playmaker, but is turnover prone due to inexperience.

Add them all up and maybe we’d have a full fledged NBA quality PG!!!

Come on, if you can’t see that the Warrior’s biggest need right now is for a true PG, then we’re not watching the same game. Tonight’s game was truly ugly. A true PG would get the ball to players in open spots (ideally). This would help our team FG, which has been sub 40 for the last couple of games.

Let me add that imo, we had the least talented 5 man group on the court tonight in Miami. A Watson-Nelson-Morrow-Azuibuke-Turiaf combination is 4 undrafted players and one second rounder on the court. I don’t even think Miami’s roster had this many undrafted players last year. It’s a testament to how poorly we’ve collected talent over the years if we had to use the D-league this many times.

Also, I think some of Wright’s ineffectiveness the last couple of games have directly coincided with Jack’s injuries. Wright is a guy that right now needs his shots set up for him. He gets 70% of his FG’s assisted. The rest he probably cleans up off the glass. Looking at the roster right now, there is only two playmakers that can feed the ball to players like Wright—Belinelli and Crawford. But they haven’t really been looking for Wright anyway. If we can get a true PG, i’d love to see how they can generate offense for Wright and Randolph.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 23, 2008 10:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wright actually was pretty effective this time out… other than that, I agree. We don’t have a guy who can capably run the show.

But it’s not worth worrying about till Monta gets back up to speed. We’re about to get a young point-guard-shaped player back, who passes well, plays very smart offense and who can only presentably defend point guards. Maybe Monta can hang as our point guard, in a Tony Parker sort of way. Maybe he can’t quite pull it off, but with his efficient scoring, our need for a true point guard stops being pressing. Maybe he helps the offense, but not enough, and we still need a point guard. No way to know yet.

What we do know is that Monta is one of our most important players, and that we should see what’s going on with him before we start putting PG want ads in the papers. This season’s a wash anyway, so there’s no reason to rush into adding a point and risk imbalancing the team further. That’s how you end up with, well, Jamal Crawford.

by onlxn on Dec 23, 2008 10:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad

their are none available.

by duballers23 on Dec 23, 2008 10:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know Joe Smith Does Not Meet All the Criteria

But he just might fit the bill. Experienced with a good understanding of the game and can play defense. Most importantly – he is available and could provide some guidance to Wright/Randolph.

On a similar note – what about Earl Watson – he might be a good fit for the team and provide some guidance to Monte.

These guys are probably available providing little in return.

by terryteagle on Dec 23, 2008 11:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Smith: "Back when I was the skinny tweener forward on the team, we lost games by doing this.

Wright and Randolph: “But I thought we wanted to win games”

Smith: “HEY, they brought ME in here to be the mentor. You guys think you know so much? Go out there and try to lose 60 games on your own. It’s not so easy. Stick it out and you might just be successful enough for them to think they want you. You stick with me, and I’ll show you how to force a trade. Now, for starters, befriend the biggest ball hog on the squad. When he goes after the coach, make sure you have an alibi. You don’t want grounds to get suspended. Now, practice these media leaks. ‘Morale isn’t too good right now. I don’t think coach knows how to use me. If he talked to he’d know that I’m a natural <position I’m not playing>.”

by jae on Dec 24, 2008 7:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHA

That’s about how it went down

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 24, 2008 11:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

again what it all comes down to is this

we don’t need a cheap fix. not even a marginally expensive fix. we either need to sign a superstar or draft one, end of story. and the position he plays doesn’t matter either but IMO the bigger the better lmao.

by HoLdEmUP on Dec 24, 2008 1:38 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Signing a superstar is kinda out of the question.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 24, 2008 3:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Manute Bol rulez

Bring him back!

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Dec 24, 2008 5:52 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Post...

Funny and true. That PF is out there, we just have to get lucky in the draft. This is Blake Griffin to a T. The point we should keep our eye on is James Harden from Az. State. 6’5’’ lead guard for a uptempo Pac. 10 team.

by Prettyugly on Dec 24, 2008 8:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mullin has been the GM/ VP for 4.5 years

In those 4.5 years he has yet to be able to add a competent two-way PF to this roster.

But I guess that’s Nellie’s fault right?

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 24, 2008 8:55 AM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

No Nellie is a saint and has to become the new messiah in the eyes of Warriors fans

we should kiss the ground where Nellie walked!?!
Last time I remember it was a certain DON that pushed us in the misery when he kicked the last decent PF that we had in decades out of the door. And I’m not talking about DON CORLEONE!!!

by buky on Dec 24, 2008 7:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

might as well enjoy it

we are hosed at this point – let’s get Monta back and see if he can play PG, let’s keep playing the young players and let Jackson and Maggette watch some more and at least get the rest of them some run time – maybe Marco can be a rotation player, maybe AR could play some SF, maybe Wright can learn to stay out of foul trouble … fact is the playoffs are a distant dream we might as well enjoy it while the young’ns cut their teeth and we tank, er I mean, develop our youth … the LAST thing we need now is another guard – especially a PG who will clog the experiment with Monta. We need to have a silver lining to this dark season, and that’s to evaluate what we have

by hardcore on Dec 24, 2008 9:25 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EVERYONE READ THIS

http://beta.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&page=warriorsbucher-081223

I hope this puts to rest anyone here who is loyal too, or thinks Nellie is the right fit for this team. If this article does not scare you into seeing how close this team is to another decade+ of disaster, please do not respond. My favorite part is how Mullin vetoed the mere thought of trading Monta, and now this organization looks like it will get rid of Mullin and keep crazy old man Nellie to run this organization into the ground….again

by mbuddtha on Dec 24, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meh, nothing new

bucher is rehashing what everyone (or anyone with a half interest in this site) already knows and even rehashes TK’s “sources” for the Nelson-Jackson cartalk …

by hardcore on Dec 24, 2008 12:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marcus Williams

Did you guys forget about him?

by gswlego on Dec 24, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d wager a bet, that if he got more playing time, he’d be better than CJ and Nelson.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 24, 2008 12:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hasheem "The Dream" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
With the 6th Pick in the 2009 MLB Draft, the SF Giants pick Donovan Tate.
Andre Smith in Silver & Black in 2009.

by ejdacanay on Dec 24, 2008 1:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

DUDES! ARE YOU FORGETTING WE HAVE THIS GUY ALREADY?!

sorry bout the caps but his name is Ronny Turiaf… He can do all of that stuff. What we SHOULD be looking for is a backup center. Someone that can backup Biedrins, maybe somoene like Andrea Bargnani? He’s the perfect fit for Nellies style… a big man that can shoot. Or maybe someone like Kwame? These guys are all people we can get for trades.

by bojangles408 on Dec 24, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turiaf is a substandard rebounder and not much of a shooter. I like him in that he plays hard and rarely makes glaring errors but he’s nothing more than a backup 4/5 player.

Bragnani is garbage, one of the least effective players in the league. His claims to fame so far is that he’s an answer to the following questions: who is the worst rebounding 7 footer in the league? what 7 footer has the lousiest interior game in the league? name a #1 overall pick worse than Michael Olowokandi? What #1 overall pick not only sucked when he got into the league, but appears to have gotten worse over in the two seasons since then? He’s a perfect fit only if you mistakenly believe that Nellie’s system is designed to have a big guy who sucks and can’t do anything well enough to make his team better.

by jae on Dec 24, 2008 4:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Is he seriously worse than that bum Olawakandi?

Earlier this year Andrea was doing pretty good off the bench. His per minute numbers were decent. But i haven’t really checked up on him again since around mid november.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 24, 2008 4:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His per minute numbers are terrible (and weren’t really good earlier). He simply does not rebound and does not convert a high percentage of his shots. There is no greater sin for a big man than those two. Simply spotting up for threes does not make many players valuable unless they are dynamite at something else. Bargnani doesn’t rebound well enough to be useful as an interior player and isn’t quick enough to be a perimeter player. I think he fooled people into thinking he’d be the next Dirk Nowitzki because he’s tall and whilte. But he’s not the poor man’s Nowitzki. He’s the foreclosed property, stock-market-crashed, life-on-the-streets-drinking-Night-Train-while-muttering-to-himself Nowitzki.

Yes, he’s worse than Olowokandi. He could turn out to be better, but right now, he’s worse. With Morrison getting fewer and fewer minutes in Charlotte, I’m not sure if there’s a less valuable regular rotation player in the league.

by jae on Dec 24, 2008 6:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he got minutes, i’d bet JJ Redick would be pretty bad.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 24, 2008 11:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bragnani is garbage, one of the least effective players in the league. His claims to fame so far is that he’s an answer to the following questions: who is the worst rebounding 7 footer in the league? what 7 footer has the lousiest interior game in the league? name a #1 overall pick worse than Michael Olowokandi? What #1 overall pick not only sucked when he got into the league, but appears to have gotten worse over in the two seasons since then? He’s a perfect fit only if you mistakenly believe that Nellie’s system is designed to have a big guy who sucks and can’t do anything well enough to make his team better.

I will never understand how this guy went #1 overall.

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 24, 2008 5:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok forget about bargnani

i was just trying to say we should be looking for a center and not a PF since we have the twins on the team already.

by bojangles408 on Dec 24, 2008 5:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weak draft and some hype? Morrison at #3 is one of the worst players in the league. Aldridge really isn’t much more than a marginally adequate big with padded scoring stats. As bad a top three as I’ve ever seen.

by jae on Dec 24, 2008 6:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

How Aldridge has padded scoring stats as Portland plays the slowest pace in the league and he doesn’t even take the most shots.

by TSE on Dec 25, 2008 7:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His stats are padded by the number of shot attempts he takes. 17 points on 15+ FG attempts a game is not particularly impressive. 47% from the floor for a PF/C isn’t either. He has a low rate of return on his shots.

by jae on Dec 25, 2008 8:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is true.

Unfortunately this is a result of Nate refusing to post him up except for a few times a game. Essentially Portland’s game relies on a pick and pop with Roy and LaMarcus instead of a pick and roll with them, or a Roy ISO at the top of the key with all the other players spread out which leaves LaMarcus wide open on the baseline.

If Portland had a coach that had more than two plays in the playbook I think you would find LaMarcus to be a far more efficient player offensively.

by TSE on Dec 26, 2008 12:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If true, he’d be a reasonable player on offense who can’t rebound his position.

The original point was that he was the class of the top 3 taken and he’s nothing special. For some reason, there’s still hype around him as if he’s a player other teams should be worried about. He isn’t. What most people see is a good (not great) ppg total but ignore why it’s as high as it is and ignore the poor rebounding (and for a F/C, he’s really quite substandard) and the fact that he does not get anyone in foul trouble. There are many bigs in the game who are not as good, but Aldridgeis quite upgradable.

by jae on Dec 26, 2008 8:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well Said from Dean1234

People need to open their eyes. The W’s has no talent whatsoever. They lost Baron and Ellis, 2 top players from last year. The replacement players are not as good so they struggle.

Teams don’t win in pro sports w/o playmakers. No teams can.

Wright sucks. Wright is a thinny/skinny kid w/o game. People need to realize that Wright is what he is. He will never get wider, stronger or bigger or become a banger inside. Wright is a Joe Smith w/o a mid-range jumper.

Morrow, Marco, and other kids are bench warmers in the NBA. Get real. They are playing 2 D-leaguers in Watson and Buke. How do you win ? you can’t.

Instead of looking at the real reasons why the W’s are not winning, reporters and fans are now blaming Nellie for not teaching defense.

Defense is not the W’s problem. I don’t care if they play better defense, they will never win with this group.

Jackson was #3 option last year but now he is their #1 option. Nuff said. and he is playing with one hand.

Crawford is awful passer. He is not PG. He is a scorer but can’t creat shots for himself or his mates. Most of his points came when others set him up for open shots. Can’t pass the ball.

A perfect proof that coaches don’t matter much in the NBA is the Celtics. Doc Rivers was almost fired in Boston for playing the kids. Boston dumped those kids on Minny and now it is Minny turn to lose games. Doc was not stupid but he could not get Al Jefferon, Gomes and those talentless kids to win games. Now Doc has 3 possibly HOF players he can go to. Easy stuff to figure out if fans want to look.

The W’s won 48 games last year using the same system. Same coach. Same system. and he is running the same system this year.

Let me repeat again. DEFENSE IS NOT THE W’S PROBLEM. Like the 49ers, the W’s need playmakers.

by JSML on Dec 24, 2008 6:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Wright sucks. Wright is a thinny/skinny kid w/o game. People need to realize that Wright is what he is. He will never get wider, stronger or bigger or become a banger inside. Wright is a Joe Smith w/o a mid-range jumper.

That’s an analysis so simplistic that it’s somewhere between completely and totally worthless and…no. I take that back. It’s not between completely and totally worthless and anything else. It’s just completely and totally worthless. Someone who hits 57% of his shots from the floor does not suck. The Joe Smith comparison suggests that your analysis stopped with “skinny.” Their games are nothing alike.

by jae on Dec 24, 2008 8:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you defend Wright even more consistently than I defend Harrington

problem for me is that, until the trade, you had better statistical support than I …

Wright’s gotta learn to stay outa foul trouble, or last long enough he doesn’t get the cheapies like Andris used to …

by hardcore on Dec 24, 2008 9:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well now is the time for him to be on the court regardless of his foul situation. There is clearly no better PF on the team than Brandan. That 4th quarter in Miami should’ve gone to Brandan and Randolph, but no it went to the D league scrub All-Star team. Yuck, that was the worst 5 man rotation i’ve ever seen on an NBA floor.

Defense is not the W’s problem. I don’t care if they play better defense, they will never win with this group.

I question if you’ve ever seen a warrior game this year. Their defense is atrociously bad. Partly due to lack of fundamentals, probably because of lack of proper teaching and accountability, and most definitely because lack of experience. Add those up and you get a field day for opposing teams. Couple that with our inefficient offense, and you have a recipe for SUCK!

The only part i agree with JSML is that we need playmakers….bad. I hope by the start of the 09-10’ season we won’t have half our team filled with undrafted/Dleague players. Lets get some real NBA talent on this damn team!

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 24, 2008 11:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I question if you’ve ever seen a warrior game this year.

huh?! wtf?

try to reply to the correct post – unless that was intended for me …

by hardcore on Dec 25, 2008 9:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That comment was meant for the quote above. I just got lazy to scroll up and hit reply.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 25, 2008 12:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well if you were to go by FG%

the W’s aren’t that much worse than last season 47.1% this year vs 46.8. team’s are getting to the line less 25 to 29 last season. and making 0.7 more 3’s than last yr albeit at a higher % (39.7 vs 36.8). still our defensive effective shooting % (which factors the extra point contributed by 3’s) shows we only dipped from 50.9 to 51.5%.

it’s their shooting that’s gone south – from 45.9% to 43.9. if you factor in that we shot many more 3’s last season, our shooting % has plummeted from 51.1 to 47.1%. if i were to guess, i’d say this is attributed to less easy buckets via fastbreaks, Monta, and how Baron affects his teammates shooting %’s.

the higher pure point total we’re giving up is a result of teams just getting up more shots against us b/c our TO differential isn’t what it was last season. 13.2-16.9 +3.7 vs 14.8-15.7 +0.9 (probably a Baron factor – less TO’s, more steals).

combined w/ our defensive rebounding that has gotten worse (70.3% vs 67.5). oddly enough, our highest team defensive rebounding %’s came w/ a notorious non-rebounder in Al Harrington at 75.7 and 70.9%… boxing out?

he’s the only regular in the 70% range – the rest are guys who barely played like Webber and Perovic and DeMarcus. this year, the rest of the league is defensive rebounding at 70.5% to 78.2. so our 67.5 is amazingly bad. in general we’ve played bigger than last season, yet have rebounded worse on the defensive end.

When (big player) is in, we collect () of the available defensive rebounds .
Turiaf 63
Wright 63.4%
Randolph 64.9%
AB 68.6%
Kurz 69.4%

Turiaf, Wright, & Randolph are especially bad. only Marcus Williams at 62.5% is worse than all 3 and Crawford is worse than Randolph at 64.4% (but still better than BW & Ronny). among the others, Kelenna is closest at 65.2%.

make what excuses you’d like, but (as you would expect) most other teams have their biggest guys all sporting better %’s than their littlest guys.

would be weird if it keeps up, but last year Baron off the court (per 100 possessions) was about 106-111. this season (per 100 possessions) we’re about 106-112.5.

*stats via 82games.com & basketball-reference.com (for those interested)

by the evil monkey on Dec 25, 2008 11:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha well that means our defense is just as bad as last year, and our offense is worse. Thus resulting in our combined Sucking.

Defensive rebounding relies more on positioning and having that “nose” for the ball. That’s something our Warriors don’t really have. Until the frontline bulks up, they’ll get pushed too far under the basket. I think our guys are good “out of their area rebounders”, but they don’t always box out and get good position, which is definitely critical.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 25, 2008 12:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another small factor is that our bigs look to help on defense a lot, because our perimeter defenders are so putrid. How often have Biedrins, Ronny, Wright and Randolph given up their position to try to block a little guy that blew past his defender?

That’s not our biggest rebounding problem, by any means… the biggest problem is that these guys aren’t good at boxing out and keeping position on defense. But their numbers would look a little better if Crawford, Watson, Marco, ‘Buike et al wouldn’t keep giving opponents free passes to the basket.

by onlxn on Dec 26, 2008 3:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I agree. That’s why i repeat almost every game that we are the worst perimeter defense team in the league. Well maybe not the worst but bottom 5 for sure.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 26, 2008 4:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting numbers, thanks for the enlightening post. We can probably come up with a couple of conclusions based on those statistics. First, we have several bigs who aren’t very good rebounders. Turiaf is poor and Wright will probably only ever be average. Not only are their team defensive rebounding numbers poor, but so are their individual numbers. Second, we need to do a much better job of finding a man and boxing out. I’ve seen too many games where a couple of guys box out but someone forgets and his man sneaks in for the board. And third, playing a small lineup with one big on the floor isn’t helpful with respect to team rebouding. AB has been the only big on the floor much of the time.

So, as has been said in this string and elsewhere, we really need to have a true 4 and 5 on the floor at the same time for extended periods of time. I also would argue that defensive rebounding is part of “team defense”. To that end, I suggest that a better focus on team and individual defense should improve the defensive rebounding numbers.

I also agree with your assessment of our lower fg. Some of that can be attributable to Monta being out, he has a great fg. But also the lack of easy fast break baskets and playmaking for other players. Remember, our fg% is down and Davis only shot 42% from the field last year. With 18 attempts per game! Jackson’s % is down, so is Biedrins, Buike, and Harrington when he was on the team. They all fed off of Baron.

Our only real hope, with the current roster, is that Monta comes back and continues his efficient scoring, that his scoring and ballhandling open up opportunities for others to get easier looks, that we start running more when he gets back, that Nelson plays a lineup with 2 bigs at a time, and that our new defensive coordinators can restore a little focus on the fundamentals.

by jmaaan on Dec 26, 2008 1:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Monta could help the defense a bit, too, just because the guy does rack up steals at a decent rate… he might help us on both sides of the turnover battle.

It’s sad that a bad defender like Monta might actually improve our defensive performance, but that’s what we’ve come to. I don’t think Crawford, Marco or Watson are capable of defending point guards at even Monta’s somewhat sub-par level.

by onlxn on Dec 26, 2008 3:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

steals are not a good measure for defense.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 26, 2008 4:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree. But steals are better than nothing. I’d describe the perimeter defense we’re currently getting as pretty close to “nothing”. Another steal or two a game would be a net positive for a defense as bad as ours.

by onlxn on Dec 29, 2008 2:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steals can be misleading, as can blocked shots. But it’s generally true that good perimeter defenders have reasonably steal totals. They frustrate guys enough such that their opponent makes mistakes and they get easy steals. Some bad perimeter defenders can also have high steal totals if they gamble to get steals but get burned whenever they fail.

It’s quite interesting that Monta has now acquired the reputation as a bad perimeter defender. I do not think it’s a lack of ability, but rather a lack of focus. As an unheralded rookie, I was impressed with how much he got after opponents on D and genuinely gave the opposition trouble. I remember others noticing the same thing. In successive years, he seemed less and less interested in it. As his offense improved, his defensive effort declined.

by jae on Dec 29, 2008 4:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That probably has something to do with coaching. Although losing focus was the case for a lot of warriors over the past 2-3 years.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 29, 2008 4:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turiaf's "bad" defense

The man is a shot blocking monster. If you’re shot blocking, your forwards should be getting rebounds as you go out to change shots and your guards/forwards should be getting the loose balls of blocked shots. Turiaf is NOT guilty of being a bad defender. He’s “guilty” of shot blocking, perhaps too aggressively at times.

by Naticus on Dec 27, 2008 12:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed. I’ve been saying for a while that we could make serious improvement, in a realistic manner, by adding a veteran 4 and a true 1. I’m not suggesting Boozer and Nash. I’m talking about a back up point guard who is a pass first point. I’m talking about a big who is not a star but an average vet with savvy and experience. I suggest these moves because it does not mortgage the future, won’t cost much in salary, players are easily available, and they can stick around at the end of the bench as our youngs develop or we add better players.

I’m not saying don’t make bold moves for star players if you can pull it off. But I’m saying that we can at least start with the simple, easy, cheap moves which should help development.

Some guys I’ve argued for in past years as perfect backup passing point guards are actually getting starters minutes these days. Guys like Ridnour and Blake. But there were still players available this year, like Brevin Knight, who are the kind of veteran pass first guys that would be a better compliment backing up/teaching/playing along side Monta than CJ or Nelson.

For bigs, the same applies. Guys like Collison can usually be had for very little in return. They can provide some rebounding, decent fg%, knock down free throws, be solid role models for the youngsters, and actually play a bit of a role off the bench as the team develops.

by jmaaan on Dec 26, 2008 1:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wright’s foul rate isn’t particularly bad. It’s not great, but he doesn’t foul as often as Biedrins does right now or as much as Harrington did last year (or throughout his career in general). It’s certainly not the limiting factor in his playing time.

by jae on Dec 25, 2008 4:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

referring to early foul trouble recently during first qtrs that cost him first half minutes …

by hardcore on Dec 25, 2008 9:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s an analysis so simplistic that it’s somewhere between completely and totally worthless

 Sometimes the simple answer is the right one?
   “He will never get wider, stronger or bigger or become a banger inside.”
        That sounds pretty sound? So what’s left for Wright to be good at? another Dris? Do we need two of those more than we need one good bangin forward? Variety is nice??

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 25, 2008 9:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whether or not he complements or duplicates Andris is a thing entirely different from “Wright sucks” or saying he’s a Joe Smith clone (the original statement). The first is an opinion that seems poorly founded. The second is simply false.

by jae on Dec 26, 2008 8:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, he won’t get wider. But he should become stronger. He’s plenty long. I think he has the ability to be a pretty good defender in the post. When’s he’s got some pt, I’ve seen some pretty nice fundamental plays where he got good position between his man and the basket, stayed down on the pump fake, and disrupted the shot of big. It doesn’t always show up in his blocks but he can disrupt shots. On a team that stressed defense, he’d likely have developed this aspect of his game a lot more.

I see him as a guy who will be an average rebounder, but a good offensive rebounder, a good defender, get a couple blocks, and get most of his points from garbage around the basket. To me, that makes him a quality backup, but not a great starter. But he still needs to develop to even reach the point where his game is that solid, because he needs to be consistent to be of value, imo.

Obviously he could become quite a bit better than that, his development is still in front of him, but that’s my prediction of his likely future.

by jmaaan on Dec 26, 2008 12:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crawford is awful passer. He is not PG. He is a scorer but can’t creat shots for himself or his mates. Most of his points came when others set him up for open shots. Can’t pass the ball.

u must not watch the nba, this may have been the worst post ive ever read on this site. did you see jamal’s 50 point game?? who scores 50 points 3 times in the nba for 3 different teams not being able to create shots for themself. HE can definately pass the ball but it is true that he is shoot first..not that he cant pass the ball, but more so he chooses very selectively when he wants too!!

by IndubitableBayAreaGM on Dec 27, 2008 8:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free TACOS!

man If I was only 6-10.
I’m only 5-10 190 pounds

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Dec 25, 2008 12:00 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m only 5-10 190 pounds

Height’s not the only thing that’s important. If you can use your weight right, I bet you could rebound like you’re at least 5-11.

by jae on Dec 25, 2008 4:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frye’s mediocre outside shot comes with sub-mediocre rebounding for a big man and overall poor FG%. In a big, I’d rather have an effective post game than have another guy think he can score like a 3. He also commits a ton of fouls without having a ton of blocks to show for it. If he’s got an outside shot, it’s not good enough to offset the negatives.

by jae on Dec 27, 2008 10:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was just a thought...

I realized I was stretching here :P. There just aren’t many prospects out there that we can realistically get. But Frye has gotten some minutes for the TBlazers and isn’t terribly expensive. He can’t be worthless, and he’s definitely bigger than Wright. I’d rather have him than Kurz!! How about getting Ike Diogu back ;o). In fact, he’s getting more minutes lately, believe it or not. He might actually start on the W’s. ha ha

by Naticus on Dec 27, 2008 7:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fyre can’t be worthless? Why not?

He’s a tall guy who doesn’t have much of a post game and is at best an average rebounder though is usually something less than this. He spends more time away from the basket because he thinks his jumper is an effective weapon (it usually isn’t) but doesn’t have any of the passing skills or shooting skills to make this effective on a regular basis. His defense seems to be predicated on him fouling early and often. He’s bigger than Wright in that he presently weighs more. He’s ever, ever so slightly taller according to his predraft camp measurements. He doesn’t provide any force inside, so that he has a weight advantage doesn’t really translate into being a more effective player in any way that matters.

He’s been worthless if you measure worth by ability to raise a team’s probability of winning. That might not always be true, but it is right now.

by jae on Dec 28, 2008 5:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The rationale

Frye at least has the BODY to do something this year. The reason I want someone with a jumper is to clear things out for Biedrins, something Wright can’t do at all (AND Wright is a terrible rebounder). When Frye was getting more minutes, he put up some decent numbers. Considering how weak we are at power forward, I think getting rid of Maggette or some other relatively useless component and adding a power forward who at least would mesh with Beans style-wise. The only guys with the body to play PF right now are Kurz, and Turiaf. That’s just not good enough, seeing as Beans and Turiaf are our centers and Kurz is a low-potential rookie. I will concede, however, that we should go for something better if we CAN. I just threw it out there, because he has the body and a jumper. I’d take him for the right trade. I don’t think the Trailblazers want him that much, so there may be a good deal there. Lastly, we wouldn’t have Maggette if we made that trade and be paying him for being virtually NO help at all. Frye is HALF the price and would LIKELY be helpful sometime soon if not immediately.

by Naticus on Dec 30, 2008 12:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wright is not a terrible rebounder. He is not a great rebounder, but he is not terrible. He’s shown he’s a touch below average for a PF. This is different from terrible.

by jae on Dec 30, 2008 7:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rebounds per 36 minutes, career:

Channing Frye — 8.3
Brandan Wright — 8.5

Adjusting for pace, it’s about a wash.

Wingspan, based on predraft measurements:
Frye — 7 foot 2.5 inches
Wright — 7 foot 3.75 inches

Wright’s longer, miles more athletic, much more efficient from the floor (55.1% v 45.8% career) and a much more active interior defender (2.1 blocks/36 v 0.9).

I’d deal Wright for the right guy … Channing Frye’s not that guy.

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by Sleepy Freud on Dec 30, 2008 8:14 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also:

No step vertical
Frye — 27.5"
Wright — 30.5"

Max vertical
Frye — 31’0"
Wright — 35’5"

But that kinda goes along with the “much more athletic” part (Wright is also much quicker). More importantly: despite Wright’s breakably slender-looking frame, he’s always shown an eagerness to play and shoot and mix it up inside with the big boys. That mindset in itself is very valuable quality in a PF. Tall guys like Frye who waste their size outside the key ‘cos someone once told them they had “skills” or “range” are much less valuable (unless they shoot and handle and make plays like Nowitzki or Durant, which Frye obviously doesn’t).

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by Sleepy Freud on Dec 30, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wright’s also shooting about 70% in the lane, but about 37% on jumpshots.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 30, 2008 5:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wright's style of play

doesn’t compliment our team. He’s one-dimensional offensively and adds shot blocking which is redundant with Beans and Turiaf. You may be right about Frye. However, last year, he was shooting 50% almost. Considering he is an outside shooter, he was getting a decent amount of boards at that time. This year, Frye is sucking it up quite a bit. However, he may be in a slump. Wright is also extremely weak, physically. I heard something about how he couldn’t bench 120 in college. That’s pathetic. How can Wright EVER hang with the big boys in a competitive 4th quarter with his scrawniness and weakness? I think he’ll be ok in a few years but by then, Nellie will have died of old age and we’ll have some loser of a coach again. I like Wright, but I would prefer we trade him, not for Frye, seeing as Wright costs a lot less. But if we got rid of Maggette and got Frye and one more, I would be ok with that. Not super happy, but I think Frye could help us more than Wright within the next couple years. I hope I’m wrong and Wright bulks up, but I don’t see how someone can do that very quickly playing pro-basketball simultaneously.

by Naticus on Jan 1, 2009 8:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve never heard Wright say anything disparaging about the team.

by jae on Jan 1, 2009 9:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

During the measurements in Orlando Wright benched 180lbs….Two times!

That’s two more than Durant was able to manage, and he does just fine in the 4th quarter.

On a team dominated by perimeter shooters, you think Frye would’nt be a bit redundant? Wright actually shows more offensive range than AB and more ability than Turiaf.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jan 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turiaf

has a better jump shot than Wright. Benching 180 two times is still pathetic. It’s the NBA. These guys are supposed to be profession ATHLETES. In case you didn’t notice, Durant has been playing GUARD and SMALL FORWARD. I like Wright. He’d be awesome if he were shorter, so he’d be mobile enough and ball-handle well enough to play the 3. That his strength is being compared to a ROOKIE shooting guard/small forward, tells you he doesn’t have PF strength, which sucks for all of us. I want him to do well. I just don’t think he can compete well any time soon at the PF. Let’s hope he gets some steroids or something (preferably legal) during the next couple off-seasons.

by Naticus on Jan 3, 2009 3:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nellie's a loser

he is the most overrated coach in the history of the nba. his career winning pct is only about 53, and if you take out his years in milwuakee (a lifetime ago), it is way worse. Then his playoff winning pct is actually a LOSING pct, and if you only count his tours with the warriors, it barley registers. the romantic memories of the run-tmc years were false—that group only made the playoffs twice, and only won one round.
That group is eerily similar to what nellie continues to this day—a blind refusal to bring defense and rebounding to ANY of his teams (see his dallas years as well). he SHOULD have gotten david lee or zach randolph for harrington, NOT another offensive player. of course, lee only shoots 60% and only gets 10pt and 8 reb in 25 min—nothing nellie is interested in. why? because lee cannot run up and down the court aimleesly while jacking up head-bangingly clanking 3’s (he has only taken 5 in his entire career). nellie would not take charles oakley in his prime for the same reasons. look at all the players—tall, skinny greyhounds, and each year they get skinnier and taller, so they can be pushed out of the block with ONE FINGER!
nellie’s teams will always be slightly entertaining, but in the end, much like a diet soda—no calories and a bitter aftertaste.

by nelliehater on Jan 1, 2009 9:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet...

“Prior to joining the Warriors, Nelson spent his most recent successful tenure with the Dallas Mavericks… punctuated by four consecutive 50-win campaigns from 2000-01 to 2003-04 (53, 57, 60, 52)…. Overall, he guided the Mavericks to a 339-251 mark in 590 regular season games (.575) and four post-season appearances. Among his many honors, Nelson was named one of the top-10 coaches in NBA history by a panel of former coaches, players during the league’s 50th anniversary season in 1997” (nba.com) Yeah, you know better than former NBA coaches/players. :P

by Naticus on Jan 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nellie's a loser

and those dallas teams never even made it to the show, let alone won it.
as for awards, they are all meaningless and self-indulging—much like nellie himself.

by nelliehater on Jan 3, 2009 1:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Self-indulging?

Did he give those awards to himself? ROFL You’re a psycho. What, did Nellie molest you as a child? Not winning a championship doesn’t prove you’re a bad coach. Is Sloan a bad coach, too? Name ONE team with which Nellie should’ve won a championship. It seems to me, he got beat by very good teams with VERY good coaches in the playoffs, the many times his teams made it there. Nellie is not the BEST coach. He is a GOOD one, though who has probably never had the best team. If so, which team did he have that was the best?

by Naticus on Jan 3, 2009 3:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nellie's a loser

and so are you for REFUSING to recognize it. he leaves teams in disarray, except dallas which took ANOTHER coach to do what nellie could not. worse, nellie, like yourself, refuses to recognize—that his idiotic nellie-ball system is a sham and WILL NEVER produce a respectable long-term winner.

by nelliehater on Jan 3, 2009 7:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sham that wins 50 games

You can’t argue with results. And as I pointed out, he was voted to be one of the best coaches in HISTORY by NBA coaches/players. You choose to live in your fantasy world. I will continue to try to analyze reality and form my opinions based on evidence. The Mavs WERE a respectable and ARE a respectable winning team, whic negates your “NEVER” statement. Nellie rescues REALLY bad teams and makes them a LOT better, from what I’ve seen. That they go BACK into shambles is not really a reflection on him necessarily, although it is evidence he’s not PERFECT. And Avery Johnson only got the Mavs a LITTLE further. And who says Avery Johnson being a better coach in some respects makes Nellie TERRIBLE? I KNOW Nellie isn’t perfect. However, you HATE him, simply because there is something wrong with YOU. I will take another 48 win season, thank-you. That’s a LOT better than pre-Nellie days. And if we fire Nellie and ANOTHER coach can get us past the SPURS, I will be glad we had Nellie to pave the way. It’s not Nellie’s fault we lost Baron nor is it his fault Monta is injured nor is it his fault we have the YOUNGEST team in the league.

by Naticus on Jan 5, 2009 2:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know.

you’re asking for chris paul and david west.

I'm going to get banned for all these mindless comments.

by CatchAndShoot on Jan 5, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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