Not even a little bit of love after he had a amazing game against Boston?

I wonder if there are fans of any other team who would rate a guy taken with the last pick of the lottery, who wasn’t close to dominant in college, who anchored a team with a losing record in HS and who has critical flaws in his game that are difficult to correct and if uncorrected will mean he’ll never amount to a guy who will consistently help you win more than you lose. Chuck D had something to say about this once upon a time.

One would think that the larger your “untouchable” list is, the better your team is. That the untouchable list has anyone on it given how poorly the team has performed is a testament to the way fans grossly overvalue their team’s players.

You put Morrow higher than Wright and equal to Kurz?

Totally discredits your post right there.

For anybody who knows anything about the team, you know that the Warriors have a lot of talented players.

Have you seen some of these “talented players”???

I would love, love, love to see your explanations as to why Azuibuke, Kurz and Morrow are rated higher on your untouchables list than Wright. Who clearly is the most talented and has the most potential to grow at a position we desperately lack. Tell me, school me, whatever.

Thanks for the comments. In response to some of the posts:

Why is Randolph so high?

Yes he is unproven, but I don’t care, not many players are proven at age 19 unless your name is Lebron James. His is not a 22 year old guy who stared for 4 years in college, I don’t think some of the people on here are remembering that. You can’t compare him to someone that much older and experienced. He should be a sophomore in college right now. He is in the NBA and has shown some serious flashes of brilliance on the court against the best players in the world that are older, fully developed physically and more experienced. Yes, he still can make those rookie mistakes. I don’t care right now, I expect that. But I’ll take his talent level, pure athletisism and heart over any rookie that came out in the draft from last year except for Derrick Rose, and Rose is older then Randolph so that’s not even a fair comparison. The sky is the limit for him, you don’t trade a guy with his heart and obvious athletic ability, they don’t come around too often. If he had his talent level and kind of a thug mentality or looked lacadasical I wouldn’t mind trading him, but the talent/determination combo that he has is very rare. If we traded him It would be like the Falcons trading Brett Favre or the Rangers trading Sammy Sosa. I don’t want that to be Randolph’s legacy with the Warriors, the dumb team that let him go and wasn’t willing to let him develop. I want to watch him be a Warrior and an All star for a decade and bring a couple Championships to the city. I think that is absolutely possible with him and I don’t think you can say that about too many young players his age.

Why is Wright not higher?

Hey, I’m not saying I don’t like him. I like him a lot. 5 is not a slam on the guy. You’d have to give me someone pretty good for me to trade him. But it just may be the case that they would have to include him with Magette in a trade for a team to take that horrible Magette contract off our hands. If we could get back a player as good as Wright or a little better for Magette/Wright then it might be good to pull the trigger on that deal.

Why is SJax so low?

Considering the team is in an obvious rebuilding mode you normally would look to trade guys that are older players with a big salary. SJax fits that mold. I appreciate what he has done for the team in the past. But I’m looking to the future. I say it would be good for the team to trade him now while he still does have some value, may still have a few good years left for a team who could use him to compete for a championship now. We get in return a younger player and/or a better contract situation. If they cleared that cap room maybe they could bring in somebody else the team needs more. But for the team as of now I would much rather have Randolph and Wright getting his minutes. And yes he did play well against the Celtics, but those types of games this year have been few and far between. He still did have 6 turnovers. He has been a turnover machine this year, the bad kind, not the good kind. I know he is playing through injury, so I will give him some leeway on that, but very little, especially when the team is in rebuilding mode.

With the team being 8 – 22, nobody should be untouchable.

That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on this forum. If you have a broken down car you take it in to the mechanic and he says “you need new brake pads, replace the clutch and your left tail light is out.” Then you turn to him and say “the car doesn’t work correclty, fix the engine”. That’s pretty stupid. You can evaluate which spots the Warriors are weak without dismantleing the good parts of the team. Some very good parts. Biedrins is solid, Monta is a star, Randolph has tremedous upside, Belinelli is legit, why would you mess with those parts. Get rid of the parts that you can stand to give up and you could reasonably expect to be able to trade for parts that you need. Or at least trade away to clear cap space next year or the year after so you can buy a player you need that can actually fix the weaknesses of the team.

Why is Morrow so high?

I love his potential, he’s just a pure shooter out there. Those types of players aren’t as easy to find as you would think. And with the Warriors a team that likes to get 3 pointers you have to have some 3 point shooters. He could be a 3 – point specialist in the league. One the team doesn’t have any of right now. Plus his contract is great, he’s playing for practically nothing. If he was 10 years older and making 8 million a year, I would have gave him a 10 on the list. But he’s young, has great upside and an incredibly favorable contract situation for the team, you don’t trade guys like that when you are rebuilding.

Why is Biedrins not higher or highest?

Wow, well I think we are splitting hairs then, I gave him a 2, so that is pretty good I think. It would have to be a center in return that is better then him, or trade him and Magette for a center just as good. I agree that the team would be worse off without him this year rather then without Monta, but that’s just because they have very little depth at center and a logjam at guard. Monta still is more important to the teams long term goals as I think he is a player that can win you the important games. I see Biedrins as a guy that if you don’t have a player like him you will probably lose those games. Kind of splitting hairs and playing words games, oh well, I don’t want to trade Biedrins either, so it would have to be a pretty great offer.

Monte is not untouchable but you need to get a bonafide star in return. Then the question is who is a star – what about someone like Dirk? Kevin Martin? Allen Iverson? D-Wade? Kobe? LeBron? There are levels of stardom.

That is what makes these types of posts difficult.

My own personal opinion is that guys like Beans and Jackson are fixtures of the W’s system working effectively. I would say everyone is movable for the right price. I think we greatly overvalue what we perceive to be our stars. I also think everyone undervalued Harrington who was great component for the W’s system.

1 – Anthony Randolph
2 – Monta Ellis
4- Andris Biedrins, Branden Wright, Ronny Turiaf
5- Stephen Jackson, Marco B.
7- Anthony Morrow, Azabuike
8 – Jamal Crawford
10 – Corey Maggette, Rob Kurz, Marcus Williams, C.J Watson, Demarcus Nelson

only players that shouldnt be traded are monta, sjax, biedrins and randolph. everyone else is tradeable for the right player

Nobody’s untouchable on a 9-23 team. Nobody. In practice, Beans is close to untouchable, just because he’s basically our entire rebounding operation. But even he’s not so talented that he couldn’t be moved in the right deal.

In truth, the roster tilts very much the other way: several guys probably should be moved out, because this team is hugely redundant with high-shot, no-D little guys. A team that has Monta Ellis probably isn’t going to succeed if they also try to develop Marco Belinelli, and it’s definitely not going to succeed if they’re also using Jamal Crawford. It’s not just that our players aren’t talented enough… it’s that our players are talented in overly similar ways.

If we’re going to look to improve via trading, we should think less about which young players we’re in love with and more about the time-worn maxim “buy low, sell high.” We should look to trade guys who might fetch more in trade than they’re actually worth. Not easy to do when you’re a crappy team, but there are a couple guys who jump out…

1) Jamal Crawford. I don’t think he’d inspire much interest in other teams; in fact, given his contract, I’m not convinced that we could even move him. But it’s worth trying, because he’s even worse for this team than people around the league may realize. In the short term, we might be well-served to play him big minutes and hope he has another big night or two, so we can move him for something. We don’t have much of a shot at success as long as he’s here.

2) Kelenna Azubuike. I love ‘Buike. I think he helps us. I don’t think he helps us quite as much as he’s reputed to, and I think there are some real flaws in his game — defense being a big one — that other teams might not have picked up on. I’d hate to see him go, but I don’t know that he serves much of a purpose on this team with Maggette’s presence, and Maggette is better and much harder to trade. Given Azubuike’s small contract, he’d probably be best used as sweetener in a deal, rather than the prize himself.

3) Anthony Randolph. Would I be sad if he became a superstar for somebody else? Of course. Do I think trading him might be worthwhile? Absolutely. He’s much more likely to be Darius Miles than Lamar Odom. Maybe we should trade him while somebody still thinks he’s Lamar Odom.

4) Marco Belinelli. It’s been a really fun surprise to watch Marco develop. Having said that, I don’t think there’s any future in a Monta/Marco backcourt, no matter how entertaining it sounds. Like Azubuike, he’d be good sweetener.

The possibilities here are grim: trying to trade a big-contract guy who’s not likely to appeal to people, trying to trade a likeable bench guy on a good contract, trying to trade a high-upside rookie, trying to trade a second-year player who’s in the midst of breaking out. But this is a roster that’s low on both production and flexibility… we’re going to have to make some tough choices, no matter what.

I love Biedrins, but he is a 4. If he played next to a legit 7+ footer (Kaman? Hibbert? not saying there are many available) he’d be unstoppable and not get into so much foul trouble.
I really like Wright and Randolph, but they are both our future 3’s. Depending on matchups we could have them both on the floor, since there aren’t many Charles Oakley type 4’s left in the league anyway. As for our future, Maggette, Jacks and Crawford can all go and we’d be fine. We could stand to lose either Wright or Randolph, but I’d love to keep both for redundancy in case 1 gets hurt, because they are both pretty special players, even if they’re clones. Ellis, Biedrins and Bellinelli are untouchable because since they are all only 22ish, think how good they’ll be if they’ve been playing together for 5 years. I think Morrow, Buike, Demarcus, and Ronny are all solid NBA role players and we shouldn’t get rid of them unless we get solid value in return.
Let’s get rid of Nelson 1st and take it from there.
Keith Smart in ’09

I know, but a boy can dream can’t he? All I’m saying is that Biedrins could be an all-star caliber 4, if we had a decent 5. Even someone like Pryzbilla. I wish we would’ve at least experimented last year with having O’Bryant out there with Beans at the same time.

dont give cj away like that he has potential and i think he will play great with #8