RECAP: Warriors 113, Lakers 130 - Surprise, Surprise
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This is pretty much the exact outcome any sane Golden State Warrior fan could expect when playing the Los Angeles Lakers in LA. Warriors play well for about a half and keep pace with the Lakers but in the end the Lakers pull away by 15+ points and the Warriors' end of the bench finishes the game off. Surprise, surprise. This isn't the Celtics on the 2nd game of a back to back coming off an emotional loss. No, this was the rested Lakers at home and on a roll. There really wasn't much to this game. The Warriors played well, but the Lakers are just a much better team. There's only so far this talent can take a team. There's too much talent on the Lakers for the Warriors to overcome. Bynum, Gasol, Odom, and of course Kobe are just too much.
The Warriors shot the ball well. 49% from the field, 50% from 3 (9-18), and 73% from the line. If you shoot 49% from the field and 50% from 3, you should be winning or at least in the game until the end. How did this turn into a blowout?

Turnovers
Would anyone like to take care of the basketball? The Warriors had 10 turnovers in the first half and 17 total. Too many of those 130 Laker points came off of uncontested fast breaks thanks to Warrior turnovers. The Lakers had 16 turnovers but they just didn't lead to so many uncontested easy buckets for the Warriors. Most of these turnovers can be fixed. These are just poor fundamentals and not playing within one's abilities. There were tons of passes in traffic that got deflected because the passer was trying to make a low percentage pass. So many of those passes had to be perfect to make it to the recipient of the passes and so much of the time, the defender just stuck his hand out and deflected the ball. It's frustrating to watch these not so great passers try to make great passes. Move the ball but not by making risky passes.

Stephen Jackson is Maddening
Let me say this first, Jax needs to play. He's an important piece on this team because of his ability to carry the team for certain stretches. He's also got the biggest balls on the team and will take any big shot. That said, his play is maddening. For every nice pass is a bad pass leading to a turnover. It's a case of Jackson trying to do too much. He's a #3 guy trying to be the #1 guy. On this team, he's a #1 guy. He's also a decent playmaker when he doesn't have to do it all the time. On this team, he is the only proven playmaker. The team is poorly constructed because there's no point guard (even when Monta comes back) and Jax has been thrust into a position he can't handle. He's got to learn to take better care of the rock, be more patient, and stop forcing passes in and around the paint. The 5 turnovers tonight were just ugly and preventable.
The one thing that he cannot be excused from is lazy D. There were multiple times where he got screened, the ball came out to the guy he's supposed to be guarding and he doesn't close out quickly. He would just mosey his way on over to the defender with his hand in the air as a semi-challenge of the shot. Swish. If he's not going to be amazing on offense, he better step up his D to the Jax we saw harassing Dirk in the spring of 2007. He needs to be the leader on defense

Rebounding
This is just ridiculous. Look at the boxscore. Now look at the Warriors in the REB column. You'll see, 1, 4, 2, 2, 1, 0, 2, 1, 2, 0, and 1. Add those up and you total 16. Now look again at the REB column and notice a 17 in there. That's Andris Biedrins total rebounds. He outrebounded the rest of the entire Warriors team! Someone help Andris on the glass. Box out. Jump. Move. Fight for position. Hustle. Push. Shove. Elbow. Man up. Grab a rebound.
You want to know why Nellie doesn't like to play Brandan Wright? This is our power forward. 31 minutes, 4 rebounds. FOUR! Really? His rebounding of late has been poor so I don't blame Nellie for sitting him in the future. I want him to play, but if he's not going to help clean the glass, he shouldn't be playing. He's 6'10" with a 50' wingspan. Just jump, reach out, and grab the ball. He should be able to grab 4 rebounds in 31 minutes without jumping.
Honestly, that was a quiet 17 rebounds from Andris. Sometimes I just get so used to seeing him grab a rebound it doesn't dawn on me that he's racking up a ton of boards. I mean he played 26 minutes and pulled down 17 boards. Wright plays an extra 5 minutes but grabs 13 less boards? Hmmm. Andris be good.
Anthony Randolph
After a 4 point play by Crawford with 1:30 remaining in the first quarter, the Warriors were up 27-26, Nellie took out Wright and inserted Anthony Randolph. Whoops. Randolph had two awful passes both ending in turnovers. The first was him dribbling the ball upcourt trying to break the full court press. He got trapped right after half court because he took the ball too far on the break and then threw the ball about 10 feet above the head of the guy he was passing to out of bounds. The second was on a made basket by the Lakers. He got the ball to inbound it and forgot that he could roam the baseline to create a good passing angle. Instead he stayed underneath the basket and threw a telegraphed jump ball only to get stolen. The Lakers shut the Warriors down the entire time Randolph was in the game and managed to score 8 points of their own to take a 34-27 lead. Momentum gone, Randolph gone, game gone. These are the types of things that you just can't do against a good team.
Marco Belinelli
I'm still skeptical of Marco thinking his recent play is just a mirage, but I'm happy to see him playing well. He's got a lot to prove but so far, I like what I see. He's certainly not going to be starting once Monta comes back, but he's solidifying his position as a rotation player off the bench. The reason he got this chance to play is because of the injuries to the backcourt (Monta, Crawford, Maggette, Jax), but the reason he's still getting playing time is not only because he's shooting well, but primarily because he's playing defense. He's not the best defending Warriors guard but he's probably 2nd to DeMarcus Nelson. So he plays. And he plays a lot of minutes.
His defense is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was last season. He hustles and generally does a good job of being an annoying, pesky defender. He's certainly not the most athletic or strongest guy but he runs and runs to stay in front of his man on screens and on the ball.
Offensively, I like that he's taking better shots. His shot selection right now has greatly improved. There's less off-balance jumpers, forced turnaround jumpers, and wild passes. To top it all off, he's showing patience with the ball. So instead of these crazy jumpers, he's playing steady and looking to pass. Point guard of the future? No, but he's certainly going to help Monta and Jax with the ball handling duties.

Random Thoughts
- Glad to see Nellie resting the rotation players for the last 7 minutes of the game. The game was getting out of hand and he knows his starters need their rest to play well against the Raptors coming in tomorrow.
- Jamal Crawford caught a little fire in the 3rd quarter. Felt like something big was coming but it never did partially because the Lakers kept answering his buckets with their own. He did score 22 in just 27 minutes to go with 5 assists.
- Kobe played quite well tonight. He wound up 9-15 from the field to go with his 10-10 perfection from the line. 31 points in 32 minutes on just 15 shots. That's so un-Kobe-like. Usually it takes him a lot of shots to get his buckets.
- I still can't stand Derek Fisher.
- You think Boston was slightly upset about the loss to the Warriors? They were seriously mad and took it out on Sacramento. With a 108-63 victory. 45 point blowout! The Kings didn't score more than 17 in any quarter.
- Pau Gasol with 13 points, 9 boards, 7 assists. Anyone have a funny caption for the Gasol picture below?

Yaaaawn. Beating the Warriors is too easy.

Andris Biedrins: 17 boards. 8 points. 3 steals. 4-9 shooting. It was Biedrins or Crawford, but had to go with the guy pulling down half the team's rebounds.
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Didn’t see it, how did Wright play?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Dec 28, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
pretty good
he missed some shots but he was good. and he had a sweet ft stroke
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 29, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
biedrins
could take some advice from wright’s free throw stroke…
When Maggette missed those consecutive shots in a span of a humming bird’s flap,
Crawford simply looked at the bench and said, "Are you serious?"
by gorillas on Dec 29, 2008 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i know especially both left handed and around the same size. wrights ball like went all the way up and right through the rim. if dieds can shoot like that he would be unstoppable because he wont be afraid to get fouled.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 29, 2008 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe played quite tonight.
Kobe played quite what tonight? I think you’re missing a word there.
Anyway, the Lakers are firing on every cylinder. They all know their roles, and play very efficiently. You have to step back for a second and admire and respect that. But only for one second.
With that said, I hope the Celtics, the Cavs, or the Magic beat them in the finals. Heck, I hope some Western team upsets them and boots them out before the finals.
And the Warrior Wonder Biedrins really WORKED for some of those rebounds.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 28, 2008 11:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Randolph is FRUSTRATING
I completely understand Nellie not playing Randolph bigger minutes. He is a selfish egomaniac. TWICE in the 4th quarter garbage time he ripped very nice dunks against NO defense and had the audacity to strut and throw stares at the crowd like he really did something.
When he plays, the scoreboard doesn’t matter as long as he is doing something. He plays hard, but it’s clear that when he gets in, it’s all about him.
The Lamar Odom comparisons are bad, because the knock on Odom has always been that he’s too unselfish and thereby not living up to his potential – AR is completely opposite. If he could work into the team and display some teamwork he’d be starting 4 right now.
Get ready…he’s going to be dealt at the deadline or in the offseason, but Nellie is not going to be playing him.
by joegiant on Dec 28, 2008 11:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i wouldn't mind
i’m waaaaaaaay lower on him than a lot of people
by AJC3317 on Dec 29, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding
Andris got 15 rebounds in the first half, two in the second. Why is that!?
by heavyccasey on Dec 28, 2008 11:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He didn't play much
the game was already basically decided, so Nelson decided to rest his starters. He only played 26 minutes and im pretty sure the vast majority of ’em were in the first half.
by Calamity on Dec 29, 2008 1:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Andriiisss!!
He had like 8 rebounds in the 1st quarter with like 4 minutes left or something. Whatever, he was a beast!
AR was pissing me off though. Even if he is a rookie, you don’t telegraph a pass like that. That was like..a first grade mistake, especially against a team like the Lakers.
by goldenstatelove on Dec 29, 2008 12:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
awesome Andris rebounding
I’ve always thought rebounds should be scored as: 1pt for uncontested (no one else trying for the ball), 2pts for contested (someone else trying) and 3 pts for wrestled (someone else actually touching the ball).
By that score, Biedrins probably racked up about 40 rebounding points.
Come on Hollinger, get on this!
by Apricot on Dec 29, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how long
does belinelli hafta keep up his play before u’ll admit he’s a player?
by AJC3317 on Dec 29, 2008 12:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
its like 3 years later, marco’s averaging 20 ppg and you still get some ppl sayin “ehhh im still slightly leery…”
When Maggette missed those consecutive shots in a span of a humming bird’s flap,
Crawford simply looked at the bench and said, "Are you serious?"
by gorillas on Dec 29, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
If dude was averaging 20ppg, it’d be a very different story. He’s not even close to that.
by Fantasy Junkie on Dec 29, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll take at least a month, probably a third of a season (~25-30 games).
He’s played 11 games in a row with over 20 minutes. 11 games. Eleven. That’s not really proving yourself. That’s just stepping in and playing well for 15% of the season. In those 11 he’s averaged 15.6 points, shot 45.4%, 2.5 rebs, 3.3 assists. In those games the Warriors are 3-8. What’s there to really get excited about? That he’s an actual NBA player instead of a bust? Let him do it over at least a third of a season and then we can talk about him being a possible 8th man.
I don’t know why everyone is so quick to label every young player on the Warriors a future star in the making. How many games did it take you to believe that he’s an NBA player? Do you believe he’s a starter? Do you believe he’ll be a future All-Star?
by Fantasy Junkie on Dec 29, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"What’s wrong with you?" "Are you even a Warriors fan?" "You shouldn’t even be allowed to write for this blog!" Haha
But seriously, following up- I thought Belinelli’s performance in that Celts win that I saw in person was blown completely out of proportion:
If Belinelli as a big minute starter (especially at Point Guard) is the future plan for this squad then we’re all doomed, unless he makes some substantial improvements in his game- starting with staying focused at all times.
While handling the point he was either over-dribbling, making some silly lazy pass, or getting picked (his behind the back dribbles in traffic need to go). His 5 turnovers were bad, real bad and he actually should have been credited for more. His shot selection was atrocious- off balance J’s and a 3pt in the final 2min with 20 seconds left on the shot clock when the Warriors were trying to protect the lead. I don’t know how “hot” you can really call him when he shot 4-11 from 3’s and 41.1% overall.
On defense he was either getting beat off the dribble or lazily swiping for the ball while backtracking on the opponent’s fast break, or flopping. If I were a Celts’ fan I’d be pretty upset at the flops the refs were allowing. Actually as a hoops fan I didn’t like those calls.
Belinelli didn’t seem to know where to go and when to go there. I kept telling Hash- I can’t believe Nellie hasn’t (rightfully) pulled him yet, but then he reminded me that everyone was injured- what can Nellie do?
Give Belinelli credit though. He’s much improved compared to last season. He did hit a few nice 3’s, made some pretty passes, and put pressure on the ball a few times, plus that pretty bank shot on KG you noted.
Don’t be too surprised if he goes back to the bench when Crawford and Maggette come back. Kelenna Azubuike has already proven to be a far superior player to him as well. Belinelli is NOT a good shooter and not even close to being “lights out”. I think his Euro league stats and NBA career thus far demonstrate that pretty clearly, yet the crowd foolishly continues to encourage him to “just shoot it!”
Hopefully, hopefully I’m completely wrong and he’s that budding star we all thought we had for about a second in the summer of 2007.
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 29, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wow, just..., wow
Extremity of opinion is one of the major reasons that I visit this site less and less. For all the ridiculously stupid trade ideas, the worst part of coming here is the inevitable bum-out post by Atma. The first thing I see every time I come here is some bitch-fest by Atma. Always Atma, always negative. Yes, the warriors are not a good team, and they can be more than frustrating to watch at times, but I’m sick and tired of the front page (and much of this site in general) turning into Atma’s personal dumping ground. Do you watch games just to bitch? Is Belinelli the Italian Jordan? Of course not. But it is undeniable that he is developing into a pretty decent player. The guy is young and makes mistakes. But I would much rather watch him than Maggette driving to the hoop with absolutely no intention of actually making the shot.
I guess you think that you are “keepin’ it real.” Maybe you are just responding to all of the ridiculous 16 year-olds that come hear and talk about Belinelli being a future HOFer. I don’t know. What I do know is that your constant, irrational, and bullheaded negativity is driving people away from this site.
by Snesley Wipes on Dec 30, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man I didn’t know Nino Brown peddled ad hominems too! Where’s Ice T when you need him?
by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 30, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
extremity of opinion
is why i come in here. no matter how different the opinions might be, they’re always backed up with solid facts. And you know, only when you consider all the sides, are you gonna be able to make your own best decision. atma isn’t negative, he’s a realist. i don’t want someone who’s high on optimism, and you don’t seem that optimistic. And pessimistic comments coming from elsewhere, are usually well founded.. The fact of the matter is belinelli is a good player coming off the bench at best. his figures are bloated as is, as a starter who wouldn’t be seeing as many minutes or be getting as many shots on any other team/a warriors team that’s got it figured out. He’s good, he’s just not good enough to be the answer to the warriors’ prayers. and do you honestly think maggette has no intention of making the shot. Of course not, sometimes you just don’t have any other option, you gotta create your own shot.
by amhd388 on Jan 8, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a player
i’ve believed he was a player since we drafted him. he’s just needed a shot, and now he’s getting one. i do think he could be a solid starter in the leauge. future all star might be pushing it. yeah he’s only played 11 games, but he’s been consistant in those 11 which is very important at least in my evaluations. if he was scoring 20 one night and 5 the next i wouldn’t be as confident.
also, i don’t believe that every young warrior will be a star. see my post a little ways up about randolph
by AJC3317 on Dec 29, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to step up
when jax or whoever are having their terrible off days. I was getting pumped with the Crawford streak, but then he kept shooting jumpers (made some good ones though), when he easily showed he could go in the paint ant make higher percentage shots or get the foul. His ability to penetrate the paint could lead to better outside dishes to our shooters.
Someone who really stepped up was Biedrins. Thank you Goose. Making you captain was the one best decision Nellie has made in a while….aside from letting Marco play.
Speaking off, I think Marco could’ve done more. I felt like the Dubs rested on their laurels with their Celtics win. If Marco stayed pesky, he would’ve frustrated Kobe more and could’ve given Bryant a few techs. He also could’ve taken more initiative. He took initiative in the Bucks game (i know, not the best team, but still)….we need courage from our players. He ain’t no fluke no more…..him and the rest of the team need to be as hungry for that “W” as WE ARE. We bleed blue and gold for it, can’t they as well? If they played how they played against Boston in the 4th every game, we’d have a better record right now.
CJ had some hot shots tonight, he should’ve taken initiative as well….or Nellie accepting we have something with CJ Watson.
One last thing….i’m sorry…i know he’s been shooting well these past couple of games, but hell, can’t you also fundamentally think about passing?
BUIKE IS THE NEW MAGGETTE. Say that 5 times.
by DubCurse on Dec 29, 2008 1:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the golden goose
Beindrins is money well spent, who says white guys can’t hoop!
by MissingHoops on Dec 29, 2008 3:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"UNSTOPPABLE BABY!"
Golden State Warriors rookie Anthony Randolph to the Lakers’ bench, after dunking during a 20-point loss (2008)
by dong4ce on Dec 29, 2008 1:34 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
bad luck
I have been an NBA fan since 1980. I always tried to support the home team starting with the brand new Dallas Mavericks when i lived in Dallas, then being in Houston with the Rockets best days, then moved on to Chicago for the Michael Jordan years. Over the years I spent a bit of time in the Bay Area and the Warriors were a “second favorite team”.
In 96 I moved to the East Bay and the Warriors became #1 for me.
This year the Warriors have had the worst luck ever and as a Warriors fan, I am sad about the season but mad about all the “fair weather fans” critizing the team and the coach. Would Boston be so good if half of their starting lineup was out for 1/2 the time? How about the Lakers? If Kobe, had take the spill on the Moped would they be on top? There is nothing wrong with this warriors team that having all eight cylinders firing will not fix. We don’t need to fire the best coach in the NBA, we don’t need to trade all the pieces, we just need some good luck and a consistently healthy starting five to make this an up and coming team.
by MissingHoops on Dec 29, 2008 3:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Long lost relatives of Pau Gasol?

OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 29, 2008 4:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
is
that fish also banging a pornstar
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 29, 2008 5:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense & turnovers
Dubs played decent defense in the first half but had way more turnovers than LAL – easy baskets and lost possessions were the difference
Lakers’ depth is pretty impressive – bringing Odom off the bench and losing nothing, bringing Ariza in as an almost after thought, they have size, shooters, depth, coach, and the slitherer Kobe …
by hardcore on Dec 29, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Big versus smallball
any more questions? Don;t despair there will be life after Nellie.
Interesting to see Powell on the Lakers, seems that everyone traded ends up in a better place :>) ? Notorious POB on the Celtics, Powell on the Lakers, Barnes and JRich on the suns, Pietrus’d and Foyle on the Magic. TMNT on the Knicks, isn’t Ike on the blazers?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 29, 2008 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We were in it for a half
…But then the better team took over.
A loss sucks….but hey, look at how the Kings did against the same Celtics we beat on Friday.
by ryogahibiki on Dec 29, 2008 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here is why we lost.....
Their team is good….
Watching this game puts into perspective all those Warriors fans who said our team was deep. We are not deep. The Fakers are deep… It irritates the f out of me to say it but they outplayed our bench handily and that was the biggest difference between this game and the Boston game. Bostons bench is nowhere near as good as the Fakers. I want to see better play from Randolph, he is our X-Factor for our second team. We all know Kelenna has talent. The other suspect is CJ, He is turning into a jump shooter only. I am sorry but we have too many of those. I also don’t think he plays very good defense at all. I don’t really see anything all that good out of him. I am at the point where I would rather see what Williams can do if he actually played with the starters, or at least not during garbage time. I think he can give us something we truly lack.
So summary Fakers have a better bench… we have some work to do…
by shooter1525 on Dec 29, 2008 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good try...
Watching this game puts into perspective all those Warriors fans who said our team was deep
But you’re forgetting that the Warriors fans that think that are delusional. They don’t want to believe what’s obvious, nor will your explanation of said obviousosity make it any clearer to their poor delusional souls.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 30, 2008 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Try

Pau Gasol The beakless Bird
In the voice of the Geico commercial Guy
This Gasol chick is attempting to get food from its mother, who have been giving most of it too the other, and larger Gasol Chick

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh
by StephenO4 on Dec 30, 2008 12:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why nobody's spotted this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fQ631n5oGI
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 30, 2008 7:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's using his "Faker call" to warn the other Fakers that there are Warriors hunting them in the building.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 30, 2008 7:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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