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J-Rich Movement

How about this crazy idea. The Warriors trade Maggette, Azubuike and or Randolph, to the Bobcats for Richardson. It makes sense because it would make the backcourt less crowded, it would send Maggette to a slower paced team, and we would get J-Rich back. Although the Warriors would possibly be trading rid of Randolph, who is a good young talent, there really isn't going to be a starting spot for him with Jackson locked up at the 3 and Wright the future at the 4. Azubuike is awesome but it would be hard to find p.t. for him. This trade would have to be done at least 3 months into the season because of Maggettes trade restriction. Maybe the Bobcats could add another player to the deal to make it a little more even. This trade would also allow the Bobcats to get rid of Gerald Wallace easier because they would have Azubuike at the 2 and Maggette at the 4.

Bobcats Lineup: PG: Felton/ Augustin, SG: Azubuike, SF: Maggette, PF: May/ maybe Randolph (they could use a power forward and that's what he is. I don't care what they say, he is not a small forward, he doesn't play like one and he might not be quick enough to be one. All he has to do is fill otu a little bit). C: Okafor

Pretty good lineup for the future since they aren't going to win right now anyways.

Warriors Lineup: PG: Ellis, SG: Richardson, SF: Jackson, PF: Wright, C: Biedrins, 6th Man: Crawford 

Now that would be more like a true Nelly kind of lineup. Crawford could come off the bench and enable the Warriors to play small ball and have him and Monta at the 1 and the 2, Richardson at the 3, Jackson or Wright at the 4 and Biedrins at the 5. It would be like when Monta came off the bench and was a huge spark plug.

J-Rich would also give us back a go-to guy in the 4th quarter to hit the big shots.

 

Poll
What do you guys think about this idea even though it is unlikely?
Good idea, bring J-Rich back and play like we used to
59 votes
Bad idea, just move on and play with the guys we got
72 votes
Make a trade but not for J-Rich
62 votes
Wait until 2010 and sign him in free agency
30 votes

223 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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We all miss J-rich, but he’s not coming back.

by rainman120 on Dec 3, 2008 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

Ooooh

Then Wright + Crawford for his Boomness?

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 3, 2008 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

Nah

We should get an established pf who doesn’t have more than a two year deal, maybe someone who has a contract comprable to Maggette’s, someone who can play D and reboudn, someone who wants to be traded. Who fits all of those requirements?

Josh Smith.

I know I know, “No More J Smoove Talk” But we have too many guards and no front court, we don’t need to tank the season, we have enough yound underdeveloped talent that a rookie wont solve, lets get Smith for however many years he has, let Wright and Randolph learn from him a bit and develop, then don’t resign him. I think that’s the best way to solve this situation, but thats just me.

by myk on Dec 3, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t have more than a 2 year deal? Smith has a 5 year deal, the deal he got when ATL matched the offer for him. They’re not trading him.

by jae on Dec 3, 2008 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way I was somewhat joking

There’s no way I’d trade Maggette, Azubuike and or Randolph for J-Rich.

Maggette, Azubuike and or Randolph for J-Rich = Bad trade
J-Rich for Brandan Wright = Bad trade

Although they sold on JR way too low in the summer 07, there was nothing wrong with trading him. Making that trade (J-Rich for Wright) however has been a joke. Worse than Mitch Richmond for Billy Owens.

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 3, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Mitch Richmond was better than J-Rich, so you’re contending that Brandan Wright is much worse than Billy Owens? Wright hasn’t really played enough to prove you wrong, I admit, but damn… that’s cold.

by onlxn on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Mitch Richmond was better than J-Rich,

Agreed. No argument here.

so you’re contending that Brandan Wright is much worse than Billy Owens?

It’s not even close. For as much heat as Warriors fans give Nellie for making that trade in the early 90’s, Owens actually had a very respectable career. During that Nellie-coached Webber-Spree-Mullin 94 playoff run, Owens was good for 15ppg, 8.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.1 steals, and 0.8 blocks.

Owens didn’t live up to the hype, but was a far superior player (even at a similar age) to Wright.

Wright hasn’t really played enough to prove you wrong, I admit, but damn… that’s cold.

It has nothing to do with being cold. Wright seems like a fine young man who was raised very well. In Nellie’s eyes he hasn’t earned playing time and over his whole body of work so far in his young career I’m not all that impressed.

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 3, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

In Nellie’s eyes he hasn’t earned playing time

You’re one of the few people left who has faith in Nellie’s eyes. According to just about every analyst and stat you can find, Nellie’s doing a wretched job of coaching this year, and the underplaying of Wright is one of the biggest reasons why.

and over his whole body of work so far in his young career I’m not all that impressed.

Serious question: have you been watching the games? What about Brandan Wright do you find unimpressive, other than the frequency with which he’s called back to the bench?

by onlxn on Dec 3, 2008 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re one of the few people left who has faith in Nellie’s eyes. According to just about every analyst and stat you can find, Nellie’s doing a wretched job of coaching this year, and the underplaying of Wright is one of the biggest reasons why.

That’s somewhat of an exaggerated statement. I will say this though- folks I know and like in the media have this odd double standard where Nellie is the devil and Mullin is god. Fans are quick to blame coaches and players when they should be blaming the front office.

It’s not Nellie’s fault these guys can’t make an inbounds pass. It’s a flawed roster assembled by Mullin and Rowell. I predicted 30 wins at the beginning of the season, so I don’t see how Nellie’s underachieving with this roster. He overachieved with last year’s 48 win roster and he’s doing what I expected with this current one.

They look awful because they just came back from a road trip. They’ll play better (but still be bad) at home. That’s what young teams to do. Has nothing to do with Nellie. Nellie’s made mistakes this season no doubt, but he isn’t the problem. Get rid of Nellie and you have an even bigger problem in Dubs land.

What about Brandan Wright do you find unimpressive, other than the frequency with which he’s called back to the bench?

Wright looks lost, soft, and too raw. He routinely blows defensive assignments, doesn’t seem that focused, and has a very limited offensive game. Watching him awkwardly jog up the court is painful. I’m not saying he can’t be good, but all I’m saying is that right now (and last year) he isn’t (wasn’t) ready. FJ and I were talking about this the other day. He sees Wright as a future starter in this league (not an All-Star). I see a 6th-8th man. We’ll see. I’ve been both wrong before (Biedrins, Ike) and right (POB, Kosta, Taft, Monta, Kaz, etc).

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 3, 2008 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s somewhat of an exaggerated statement. I will say this though- folks I know and like in the media have this odd double standard where Nellie is the devil and Mullin is god. Fans are quick to blame coaches and players when they should be blaming the front office.

I’m more or less with you on that. I like the guys on this team… I don’t begrudge them for losing. It’s certainly a flawed roster. Rowell sucks, and Mullin, though he had a nice year or two, is no better than a mixed bag himself. And I really like what Nellie has done with this team over the years, in both stints. The guy is flat-out entertaining, and a good coach.

But we are currently 5-13… with our talent and the number of weak teams on the schedule so far, we could easily be 10-8. Nellie has thrown several games away with his substition patterns. I’m not quick to call out a coach, let alone one I love like Nellie. And when we just don’t have the horses, I’ll be the first to admit it. But we don’t have 5-13 talent. Our roster is better than that. And so far, Nellie has gotten in the way. He did a good job for us in 1992 and 1994 and 2007, but he is doing wrong by this team right now.

Wright looks lost, soft, and too raw. He routinely blows defensive assignments, doesn’t seem that focused, and has a very limited offensive game. Watching him awkwardly jog up the court is painful. I’m not saying he can’t be good, but all I’m saying is that right now (and last year) he isn’t (wasn’t) ready. FJ and I were talking about this the other day. He sees Wright as a future starter in this league (not an All-Star). I see a 6th-8th man. We’ll see. I’ve been both wrong before (Biedrins, Ike) and right (POB, Kosta, Taft, Monta, Kaz, etc).

I’m guessing your take on Biedrins was very similar back in the day. Not hating, just making the point — a lot of the criticisms of Wright are the same ones about Biedrins when he showed up. They look soft and unfocused… they look too skinny… they look too limited on offense.

But Biedrins, for all the focus and fire he supposedly lacked, became a very good player. The look didn’t matter as much as the production. You can look weaker as long as you still pull down rebounds… a goofy jog is okay if you still get there before the other big guys… you can be limited on offense if the one thing you do well, you do amazingly well… you don’t have to look intense if you can beat them looking relaxed. Biedrins isn’t intimidating, graceful, versatile or charismatic. What he is, is really good.

And Wright is a helluva lot like him. Smart, uber-efficient offense, energetic defense, and superior speed for a big man. That combo of skills will win you some games, no matter how it looks. There’s one big difference between the two — Biedrins is amazing at rebounding and only decent at changing shots, while Wright is only decent at rebounding and amazing at changing shots — but overall, they’re similar players, guys who run the floor, avoid offensive mistakes and execute a lot more big-man stuff than you’d expect just from looking at them. They’re both guys who play under-the-radar winning basketball.

Does Wright make some defensive mistakes? Sure, but not “routinely”, as you say… there are five guys in the rotation who screw up more often than he does. He gets turned around and beaten every now and again, but his length gives him a lot of margin for error, and he already plays fantastic help defense. By every measurement, our defense improves dramatically when he’s on the floor, and when you watch him closely, you can see why.

It’s not that Brandan Wright has potential. It’s not that he could be good. He’s already good. And when he starts getting the minutes he deserves, you’ll start to see that, and you’ll forgive him for looking like a flake and a goofball.

by onlxn on Dec 3, 2008 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah sometimes

I think people on here knock B-Wright for not looking hardcore like J-Smoove.

Sure he’s not a fully developed player but for the limited time that he’s played, he has performed quite well.

by misterjennings on Dec 4, 2008 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

By every measurement, our defense improves dramatically when he’s on the floor, and when you watch him closely, you can see why.

So very true. It may be small sample size to suggest that he makes the team better, but there’s currently no evidence that he makes the team worse on defense.

I think too many people evaluate Wright because of that goofy look on his face and those big ears. It doesn’t look intense enough and sometimes it’s tough to get past the superficial appearances. Wright needs a scar on his face or something. Maybe he should invest in a good makeup person who can make him look like Omar Little.

by jae on Dec 4, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he should invest in a good makeup person who can make him look like Omar Little.

  I’m not a make up person but I think with some spray cans and markers I could do up Wright to look like Rodman

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 4, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

J-Rich Is Not the Answer

Acquiring Richardson in exchange for Maggette, Azubuike, and Randolph isn’t going to solve anything. All it does is reduce the surplus of wing players by one. What we really need is a real power forward with some actual size and just to develop the youngsters. We’re going to have to take our lumps.

by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 3, 2008 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

Corey Maggette wouldn’t be a viable power forward for them any more than he is for us. This wouldn’t make it any easier for them to get rid of Wallace. They could play Maggette at small forward, though.

This wouldn’t do much for us on a basketball level. One of our biggest roster issues right now is the fact that we have a lot of money tied up in three similar, similarly flawed players, in Jackson, Crawford and Maggette. J-Rich would fit that mold exactly — same type of player, same type of flaws — and the guy he actually resembles most of the three is Maggette. He passes a bit better than Maggette, but Maggette scores much more efficiently… both rebound at about the same rate… both are bad defenders. Maggette for J-Rich would be a lateral move, if not a small step backwards, and adding in ’Buike and Randolph would make it a definite talent minus for us overall.

The one good thing about that trade would be getting out from under two years of salary… J-Rich’s contract expires in 2011, just like Crawford’s. Would be nice to get some flexibility back. I could maybe see an argument, maybe, that it’d be worth throwing Azubuike in to make that work, because it’s true that swing minutes are going to be scarce here for years to come. But there’s no reason to put Randolph in here. It’d be selling low on him, and he’s a type of player that we could really, really use if he becomes viable.

Maggette, ‘Buike and Randolph for J-Rich? No way. Maggette & ’Buike for J-Rich? Maybe. But if Maggette really is tradeable (and I’d think he would be), I think we ought to look around first for a return that addresses our needs better. And I don’t know that the Bobcats would do this anyway… J-Rich is one of their more popular players. Trading him for a less-likeable guy with a longer contract, even if that player’s a little better, would be hard to sell to the (tiny) Bobcats fanbase, and I’m not convinced that Azubuike would be enough to make it palatable on their end.

by onlxn on Dec 3, 2008 6:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Griffin through 6

36.7 mpg
25.7 ppg
68% fg
19.2 rpg

…. JAE’s computer just had an orgasm.

But remind me again what Griffin has to do with JRich?

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 3, 2008 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

it has nothing

to do with JRich but i just thought we should get him

JRich 23

by warriorsalltheway on Dec 3, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin

I wish we could draft that guy, but the last time I checked, he’s going first or second overall. I don’t think the Warriors will be that bad. He’ll definitely be off of the board and the first big man off of the board.

by Rated-R Superstar on Dec 3, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

We may not have to hope.

We’re currently sitting on the 7th worst record, just one game better than the next 4. So we’re right there in the thick of things for one of those high percentage lotto slots!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 4, 2008 7:05 AM PST up reply actions  

JRich

without Baron would be like fries without a shake.

Besides, why would he even want to come back considering the way he was traded? Remember …

Ideally, Richardson said, he would’ve liked to have his agent and Mullin work together to send Richardson to a place he’d like to play, just as Minnesota is doing for Kevin Garnett. But Mullin, Richardson said, remained steadfast in his stance that Richardson wouldn’t be traded, that the Warriors were building around him.

So when Richardson got wind from his agent, who learned from a reporter, that he was Charlotte-bound, and Mullin wouldn’t answer either of their calls, Richardson said he felt betrayed.

J-Rich still shocked, angry about trade

by centerre on Dec 3, 2008 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

Fries without a shake ain't half bad.

JRich takes better care of his body than BD, and, while less talented, is also less prone to sulking and slacking. I’d flip Maggs and Buki for JRich, basically because (1) I love JRich’s personality, (2) it’s a more-or-less lateral move talent-wise, and (3) it would totally shut up the GSoM whining contingent. But I wouldn’t dream of throwing Randolph in the mix. Straight up, I’d rather have Randolph than JRich, even given equal salaries.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 3, 2008 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Straight up, I’d rather have Randolph than JRich, even given equal salaries.

  Haven’t you been payin attention to jae’s post on rudolf’s potential? A longshot due to poor career shooting percentage I think he said? Of course based on their age difference rudolf has to play better than Jason someday, maybe 2020?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 3, 2008 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I agree with jae and onlxn like 99% of the time, but I guess I’m a lot more sanguine on Rudolph than they are. The main knock on him seems to be his low fg, which wasn’t horrible in college (46.4) and is low in the NBA (35.2%) — but in 71 measly attempts. FWIW, his stroke from the FT line is gorgeous for a tall kid as young as he is.

Not saying he’s a sure bet for stardom, but given his athletic gifts and sick potential as a lockdown defender and mad rebounder, I’d take him over JRich, sad face notwithstanding.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 3, 2008 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I’m probably higher on him than jae is… I’m trying to play devil’s advocate on Randolph more than anything. I do think there’s a good chance he never puts it all together. But I definitely don’t want to us punt on a guy with that freaky potential unless we get a superstar in return, and J-Rich ain’t that. So I totally agree with you here.

by onlxn on Dec 3, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I definitely don’t want to us punt on a guy with that freaky potential unless we get a superstar in return, and J-Rich ain’t that.

 But when Jrich runs , spins and shots a long three it goes in and we beat Dallas, with rudolf it’s just a missed bad shot .

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 3, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

still my favorite JRich highlight

  That’s what I’m talking about! Trade that player? only an idiot could.

Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 4, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I like how at the end nobody knows how to celebrate

You got Monta coming over and patting him on the back, Dunleavy running around looking for somebody to hug (no white guys though, he pushes that dude coming off the bench away), the standing chest bump… then JRich walking around all proud of himself with nobody to share it with. Ahh, the good old days.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 5, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I like how at the end nobody knows how to celebrate

   I noticed Barnett congratulating Jason with a big smile.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 5, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Only guy who did it properly

Smile, slap hands, then get down to business.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 5, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

id rather keep randolph…hes gunna be a beast in due time

by DeepS on Dec 3, 2008 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

wow

This is the first time a crazy trade proposal has actually favored the other team…

by dajrichshow on Dec 3, 2008 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

JRICH for mags

id rather just make it one on one. to get mags off our team and throw in bookie or some other role player on our team to persuade them…HEY…how about we go Burn the front office down

by ez0es on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

Maggette is our PF

So who will play PF in small ball…. Jax? Buike? The only trade that would make sense is Maggette for a decent PF…

I would trade Maggette for David Lee straight up right now. I know the salary’s probably wouldn’t work, and Maggette is a more established player, but I’d love to have David lee as our starting PF.

Monta, Watson
Crawford, Morrow
Jax, Buike
Lee, Wright/Randolph
Beidrins, Turiaf

Your GOTTA love that lineup. Nelly would mix and match to perfection. We’d be a 5th seed.

Think about it. One solid PF Away from the playoffs.

by Gurthy on Dec 3, 2008 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

Not

gonna happen hes playing so well now for the bobcats they would not let him go. Oh yeah did you see that one 180 kinda like a half windmill dunk he did against Min like a 2-3 days ago that dunks was crazy.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 4, 2008 12:40 AM PST reply actions  

Dude

JRich is old news. Maggs won’t be traded this year. Baron Davis screwed this entire thing up, but most importantly, the Dubs need Monta back to complete the team. Then maybe we can see what the Dubs are about.

Right now they stink because they play 3rd grade level defense while they rack up the 2nd most points per game. Play some D and we all might be talking about other things than trading Maggs for JRich.

by gabezgsw on Dec 4, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

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