that what we pay maggette for? going to the basket? as much as he is a black hole hasn’t he helped us become one of those teams that shoots the most freethrows which might be a bad thing but since we dont fast break anymore it doesnt make a difference

For anyone watching the games, is it any surprise he has never been on a winning team?

I actually am surprised by that, because I could’ve sworn I saw him in the second round of the playoffs three years ago.

Corey Maggette’s been on a 47-35 team, a 41-41 team and a 40-42 team. Not great, but he’s done more winning than J-Rich over the course of his career… a helluva lot more than Jamal Crawford. He was playing with Elton Brand for a good chunk of that time, yeah, but besides Brand and Maggette, those Clipper teams were pretty dreadfully devoid of talent… to argue that Maggette has had better supporting casts than J-Rich, for instance, would be tough.

Does what Corey Maggette does help win more games than what J-Rich and Jamal Crawford do? The stats would sure make you believe so. So would logic — if you’re looking at three no-defense swingmen, you might as well take the one who can get you the most points on the fewest shots. For all the bitching about Corey’s lack of passing, he records just one fewer assist per game than J-Rich, just two fewer than Crawford. That’s a difference, but it’s not nearly as big of a difference as Maggette’s edge in scoring efficiency.

He’s generally sucked defensively, but he’s been playing out of position. And no non-big Warrior has been playing good defense… Jack hasn’t been an asset there either this year. Teamwork? I dunno… I’d think most 6’ 6" 225-pounders who are willing to get smacked around at power forward routinely would get some credit as being team players. Maggette doesn’t seem to.

I suspect Maggette will be an easy scapegoat whenever we have a losing streak. And there are surely flaws in his game. But this theory that he’s a selfish villain who’s undermining the team is ridiculous. He is a good player, a productive player… when he plays his natural position(s), he’s a player who helps you win games. Corey Maggette is not the problem with this team.

The Warriors know what they were getting in hiring Maggette. He is a scorer, he makes his free throws, he plays within himself. He is not as dymanic of a playmaker as Jackson is. Warriors signed Maggette for those specific skills, and because of the lack of scoring, which he provides, that’s it. To be complaining about Maggette’s inability to involve his teammates and expecting him to be a playmaker sounds a bit ridiculous. He is who he is, he’s a one dimensional player. It’s the same as if the Warriors were to sign a pure 3 point shooter and you are expecting him to help the team rebound or block shots. Not gonna happen. We shouldn’t really blame Maggette for being detrimental to the team’s success, nobody likes having a ballhog on his team, but at least he plays within himself.

On the other hand, Jackson is more than a one dimensional player, however, that also contributes to his weakness. He is a capable scorer, he has the vision of a passer. What is lacking is his ability to put a string of games together where both those skill sets come together. The highs and lows of Jackson’s performance is more dramatic than Maggette’s, and because he is being forced to do too much, I see him hurting the team’s success more this season. Hear me out on this.

Warriors are asking Jackson to do everything, scoring, passing, and defending. So far this season, he’s done scoring, passing, but he doesn’t have the energy to be a lockdown defender anymore. So not bad right? 2 out of 3 he’s getting it done. Not really. When he’s shots are falling, the rest of the team gets left out, no ball movement. He seems to always be in isolation plays, stab jabbing right and left, backing down defenders, maybe a few zip passes once or twice a game, that’s it. When he doesn’t get a foul called in his favor, he loses focus, doesn’t get back on defense, hurts the team defense. Remember that he is a high volume shooter, only knocking them down at 39% rate this season, which means he takes away shots from his teammates. It all make sense. He shoots a lot, but at a low percentage, not much ball movement, result is the team loses on most nights.

But you say Jackson leads the team in assists (6.7/game)! But he also leads the team in turnovers (3.9/game). You have to look the assists/turnover ratio. Jackson’s A/T ratio is a dismal 1.71. A quality passer has a A/T ratio of 2.5-3.0+. Chris Paul 3.8, Jose Calderon 5(flat out crazy good), Baron Davis 3.38, Kidd 2.7 this season. Jackson is not even close. So what about the 11 assists he had last game and we almost won? Well, he’s injured wrist prevented him from shooting, even though he still tried 11 times (2/11). Which leads to my next point. Jackson had 11 assists(4 turnovers, A/T ratio=2.75), only took 11 shots, and he shut down DWade in the 4th quarter (2/10 shooting), we had the game won. If that wasn’t enough indication of what Jackson needs to do to help this team win, I dont know what is. Less ballhogging, more passing, we know he has the skills to be a multi-dimensional playmaker if he wants to. He is more dynamic than Maggette, he has the skills to lead this team, therefore we should expect more out of Jackson and not Maggette. Jackson needs to realize what he did in the Miami game that made the team so much better, then he can be the leader of this team.

Trade Magg or stop playing him at the 4 position. he’s a natural 3.

i got no problem w/ Maggette driving for a layup at the end of the game. if i recall, we were losing, not winning, so who cares if he drove to the lane. scoring buckets is what you’re supposed to do in this game when you’re losing right? It would be different and very “Ricky Davis” of Maggette if he drove in for the layup w/ the Dubs up 25 points.

F%#^ Garnett! Dubs one love!