Yall finally feel me! Fire Don Nelson Movement!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 12:26 AM PST
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One day, i was just bored at work and frustrated with what the Warriors were going through so I decided to create an account on SB Nation and i put up a fan post just for the hell of it. That fanpost first introduced the "FIRE DON NELSON MOVEMENT", and i got all sorts of people that disagreed with me! that was about a month ago, and since then i've seen a real change of mind from a lot of people and I am very happy to see that people are finally realizing that Nelson is the root of all, if not, most of the problems!
Sure you can blame management/ownership but i think more of the blame has to go on the coach! the coach develops the system and has the on court relationships with the players, the management doesn't! And in this league, i can't think of one coach that has as much power as Don Nelson (maybe Pat Riley but shit he's Pat Riley and he ain't even coaching right now). How the hell did Nelson get all this power in the first place? He doesn't have not 1 championship as a coach under his belt! Not one! I'll admit that Nelson has done lots of great things for the league and for the Warriors franchise over his long career but I think his time is up! i blame him for where the warriors stand right now! if you feel like it's all the management's fault and want to blame them for something, then blame them for basically gift wrapping this team that is loaded with raw talent, and handing it to Don Nelson (for 2 more years)! the whole Monta Ellis saga is a different discussion. If you want, you can blame the players if you really choose to, but i wouldn't. i think we have loads of talent, depth, versatility and enough veteran leadership (except at the point), to be in a much better position than we are in now. The thing is, Don Nelson does not utilize what he has, the right way! No emphasis on defense, no ball movement, terrible shot selection, bad team rebounding and everyone just stands around while one person tries to create. when has that ever been the formula for championship caliber basketball? NOT NEVER! And that is all Nelson brings and it seems like everyone who plays us, knows it! I've been saying it for the longest time that we need to get rid of Don Nelson, he is a terrible coach to have for the future development of this team! his whacky rotations and public display's of frustration towards individual players (Example : Harrington,P.O.B, Bellinelli, Wright, Pietrus, Williams etc.) do nothing but kill the spirit, morale and chemistry of this young squad! Think of how many players he thrown into his "dog house" and look at some of them now and how well they are doing! (Barnes, Pietrus, Harrington, hell even P.O.B. was getting some recognition before the season started!)
If we lose to the OKC Thunder tomorrow, that will be our 10th loss in a row, our 2nd loss to a team without a real replacement head coach (first L to the Eddie Jordan-less Washington Wizards), our 8th consecutive road loss, and another disgusting, embarrassing loss to another lowly NBA team who also stole our mascot by the way! We miss you Thunder! Maybe you can come back and coach our team! you can do one handed push ups in the huddle during timeouts and boost our teams energy! hahaha! As long as it takes Nelson out of the equation, I'm all for it! So I'm officially reintroducing the "FIRE DON NELSON MOVEMENT"! i can't stand this losing and terrible play any longer! Whoever agrees with me, REC this post and let our voices be silenced no longer!!
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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yea, i blame him for last year too
not utilizing any of our other plays like wright caused many of our key players to die out by the end of the season…instead of kicking it in for playoffs
by DeepS on Dec 8, 2008 12:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's a really good point that nobody seems to realize
Nellie actually held this team back last year. If he would have developed a bench, our studs would have some gas in the tank to make a legit run. Instead he rode his horse without much imagination and we fizzled out. That’s the thing about Nellie, it’s as if he just doesn’t spend any time trying to creatively coach a team. He’s just another mascot that sits there, doesn’t make adjustments, and takes credit when the real credit belongs to BD, JRich, Monta, and SJax. He is the wrong coach for this team that needs some real development.
Duke grad student missing the Bay but holding it down for the Dubs from afar.
by eastbayglory on Dec 8, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if we los against Thunder...
That would be just plain sad.
by Ali luvs monta on Dec 8, 2008 1:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i hope we lose, i hope durant owns us
things will be forced to change!
CHANGE!
YES WE CAN!
by DeepS on Dec 8, 2008 2:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i really blame Don Nelson for turning this clueless franchise around....
and for:
- getting the W’s some national exposure in 07 Playoffs.
- Developing Monta Ellis into a solid player.
- Developing Andris Biedrinis and actually playing him.
- Dumping losers like Murphy, Dunleavy, Diogu, Pietrus, and O’Bryant.
- Turning around a franchise that hadn’t made the Playoffs in 13 years.
- Replacing Mike Montgomery who was in way over his head.
- Finding qualitiy subs in Azubuike, Barnes, Watson, and Morrow.
- Not being named Bob Lanier, Rick Adelman, PJ Carlisimo, Gary St. Jean, Dave Cowens, Brian Winters, Eric Musslehead, or Mike Montgomery.
Ya I guess all of those things are Nellie’s fault, what a shame…Don Nelson is not the problem, management, injuries, and talent are. Cheap Ownership, poor Drafting, Moped incidents, and lack of overall talent on the roster are the real issues.
I’d love to hear what other coach could get an 8 seed into the second round of the playoffs, win 48 games in the ultra competitive West, and even attempt to make up for what has been years of poor management running this franchise into the ground.
Eddie Jordan? -No he couldn’t win with Arenas, Jamison, and Butler in the weak East,
not to mention get any of those stat stuffers to play any D.
Avery Johnson? – Well you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, and like Jordan couldn’t get a running team to commit to his Defensive style in time to save his job. I like Avery and he would be my #1 pick to replace Nellie when the time comes, but he needs to learn from his previous mistakes before he can be a Head Coach again.
Flip Saunders? – Do I even need to list why not? This guy is a mediocre coach who couldn’t win it all with arguably the most talented core of players in the weak East. He also took forever to win a playoff game and series with KG and the T-Wolves.
Keith Smart? – He very well may be the next W’s head coach, but as an interim coach he couldn’t get an underperforming team to respond, so what’s to say he will this time? Everyone would want him gone if the current level of play stayed the same under him.
Overall the point is that this team is tailored to Nellieball and as much as fans want them to become a Defensive team night in and night out, it is not going to happen because frankly the parts are not there. Bringing in a Defensive minded coach doesn’t magically turn players in the Spurs. Firing Nellie and bringing in somebody else is not the answer now, unless you want to completely go back to the early 2000’s with a team that is clueless and out of sync with what their coach wants.
Patience is required, believe in Nellie, it takes time to build a contender, look at Dallas they didn’t become good overnight, and look now they have been in the Playoffs for the past 6-7 years.
by Jagz8 on Dec 8, 2008 2:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're wrong!
and i’ll tell you where…
- getting the W’s some national exposure in 07 Playoffs. -—— He didn’t do this! do you remember the beginning of the season when we still had the murphleavy sisters and we finally traded them away mid season? towards the end of the season, even with those two suckers gone, Nelson couldn’t find a winning solution. He accepted his fate and publicly gave up on his team’s playoff hopes! the players then took it upon themselves and played miraculously enough to sqeeze right into the playoffs and Nelson was as surprised as everyone else. Luckily for him, we were able to be matched up against his former team, whom he knew all the ins and outs about. He knew all their weaknesses and everything on how to beat Avery Johnson and the Mavs. i’ll give him credit for that but If it was anyone else (spurs,lakers, rockets, jazz) that we were matched up against in the first round, the outcome would most likely be a lot different! i don’t credit him for getting us the expozure, i credit him for taking the spotlight and assuming credit for the success when all, if not, most of it should have been credited to the core of the team (B. Davis, J. Rich, Cap Jack, Monta, Biedrins, Harrington, Barnes, Pietrus and the cheerleading bench!) plus i would also credit the fans more than i would to Nelson! we were the ones that made the Oracle come alive and made it one of the toughest places to play in the NBA. The die hards lead the bandwagoners and cheered ferociously for our team to succeed!
- Developing Monta Ellis into a solid player. -———— i dont think i would give him credit for this either. Monta was a talented player in HS and Mullin seen something in this guy and we were lucky to pick him up in the 2nd round. Nelson was, i think, lucky that Monta turned out to be a good player! the way Nelson threw him in and out of the "doghouse", and came down hard on him like he does with so many young players, it’s fortunate that he was able to get better and better. i credit Monta’s development more to the veterans of our team (Davis, Richardson, Jack, Harrington) and to Monta himself for never giving up on himself like Don Nelson gives up on select players.
- Developing Andris Biedrinis and actually playing him. — I credit Biedrins hard work, heart, determination and effort. once again, not Nelson! he’s the only big that we could really rely on and he took the challenge and continued to work to get better and better!
- Dumping losers like Murphy, Dunleavy, Diogu, Pietrus, and O’Bryant. -——— uhhhhhh Mullin did that, not Nelson! and look at Pietrus now, before his injury, he was showing that he is not just a spot up shooter from the corner 3 point spot. Granted, he is playing off of Dwight Howard, but his athleticism is on full display playing in a different system that plays to his strengths. he had a nice string of games where he scored at least 20 and has increased his scoring average heavily.
- Turning around a franchise that hadn’t made the Playoffs in 13 years. -———— It was Mullin who put the team together and it was Mullin who brought this old fart coach back and now Nelson basically took over all of the power and threw Mullin to the wolves. Nelson took over a franchise who was on it’s way up and coached them right back into the wrong direction!
i’ll give you the one where you talked about finding subs like Buike, Watson, Barnes because i like all of those guys. they play well for us a lot of the time. nobody is expecting the Warriors to turn into the Spurs but damn can someone stop the damn basketball and get in fron of somebody from time to time? Nelson doesn’t stress that to his players enough! he doesn’t stress team rebounding! he basically just tries to outscore the other team and hope to win! not a good game plan! patience is out the door! this franchise and fan base wants to win and wants to win now! i think we have a talented enough roster than what our record of 5-14 shows! we have depth, versatiliy, quickness, and i think, enough veteran leadership but Nelson refuses to coach the right way and insists on playing his style and his style only. we’re really just missing a true point guard! we have players that can be used for many different situations in a game. we have players who can spread the floor. we have all of this, yet Nelson doesn’t seem to know how to glue it all together! he’s lost his will to win, his patience is all gone and so is mine! if we lose against OKC Thunder, that is the nail in the coffin, in my opinion! he’s gotta go!
as for who should coach next…i personally feel like Eddie Jordan or Sam Mitchell would do a great job here but that’s another discussion! Nelson is done! Just let him retire and send him to Hawaii already!!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That...
…sounded like a 5th grader trying to tell his teacher why his homework’s late. I’m sorry if that sounded offensive but believe me, it was offensive to read.
We seem to have forgotten everything Nellie has done already. I’ll give you credit though for knowing that Mullin ultimately was the one who signed the trade papers regarding Murphy/Dunleavy/Diogu but you also seem to have forgotten who drafted and signed those 3 to contracts. Now I wonder why Mullin in the end opted to trade them….oh yeah, because they didn’t fit “Nellieball”. Lets put the playoff’s into the argument again. How did Nellie’s system do for us that year? You can say what you want about “meeting the right team during the playoffs” but that same “right team” rampaged the NBA the entire year and came up with one of the best records ever. Yet when it came time that they played the Warriors they lost. People seem to have forgotten that the Dallas Mavericks were 0-4 against the Warriors that year in the regular season, and that includes games precluding the aforementioned trade with Indiana. And just for shits and giggles, if it wasn’t for some missed freethrows the Utah series might have been more respectable if not a win.
I can’t even give Nellie credit (or blame him) for playing Magette or even bringing him in. But I can’t blame Mullin or Rowell either because I’m going to be honest and say that I don’t know who the hell is signing the checks right now. Maggette at 50mil, that check right there for 50 mil also stands for a “play me a lot card”. Ditto for Stephen Jackson’s extension.
I will give you credit though, Nellie did throw Mullin under the bus after Rowell’s ego got way too inflated for this team’s good. Developing Monta and Andris…umhm….I’m not even going to into it. If the coach isn’t the one who gives those 2 playing time then I have no idea who does.
I’m all for a Richard Hendrix movement though because it really does seem that another body that isn’t afraid to bulldoze people down in the paint can’t hurt this team anymore than it is already.
by gunwing54 on Dec 8, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i respect your opinion
I haven’t forgotten what Nelly has done but he shouldn’t get that much credit in my opinion. He had a different set of players in the past 2 seasons and they were more fit to operate under Nelson’s system than the team that we have now. Our team now has a lot of versatility. i think Nelson has a lot of different options that he can use with this ball club but he insists on playing the same brand of basketball year in and year out. we don’t always have to go small. We have guys with length and speed so that we don’t always have to put a lineup full of midgets out there! Even though we lost against Houston, i like what Nelson did with starting Turiaf and Biedrins downlow with maggs at the normal postion (3), Jack at 2 and Crawford at 1. with Biedrins and Turiaf downlow, it will be tough for the opposition to score inside and it will help out our weaker defenders at the wings (Maggette and Crawford). our bench can provide significant energy and productivity for this team, i like our bench unit this year! maybe if nelson could tweek the system in a better fashion and bring something new to the table, i would’nt want him to get fired as much. but i don’t see it in him. i still see the same stubborn Don Nelson that wants it his way and won’t have it any other way. He won’t develop rookies and young players that can help in different ways. he just doesn’t trust them enough. for this team, a coach has to teach his young guys rather than punish them badly for every mistake they make. I don’t see the will to win from this coach, i think he ran out of patience and has accepted the fact that he will never obtain a championship as a coach, and he might as well just sit back and collect his money. that’s how i see it and i’m obviously not the only one who wants to see Nelson’s departure in the very near future, read the posts all over this site and check the polls. you just got to face it, he’s done great things but this guy has come to a point where there’s nothing more he can do. He already gave up on the team, it’s time for us to give up on him!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
…I respect your opinion too and again I’m sorry if it was offensive. It’s just easier to write offensively especially early in the morning.
I totally agree with you that Don Nelson is one stubborn S.O.B. But I honestly think that he’s kinda forced into these small-ball situations. The fact that the front office made some horrendous signings and not to mention how horrible our off-season was is key. We just have far too many swing players being paid a LOT than a team really needs. We have 2 veteran big men and 3 that are either skinny or inexperienced. Our roster just looks more ready to win a pick-up basketball game than an NBA one.
Again you have to give Nelson some credit in that he’s giving out more minutes to young players than he did last year and as you have stated his slight change of heart when he started Turiaf and Biedrins together. We still have the 40+ minutes out of Jackson and now Maggette but you have seen Randolph & Wright playing extended minutes over the few spot garbage minutes you saw from Wright last year. Although Nelson giving them those minutes can mean a couple things like necessity due to the fact that we just don’t have enough tall bodies (note: not huge) or because he really is giving them chances remains to be seen.
I don’t want to debate over whether or not he’s giving up and is just in it for money because I believe that Nelson as a competitor wouldn’t want to do that. Again, he’s shown signs of greed in the past but I don’t want to throw that out this early into the season.
by gunwing54 on Dec 8, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
point well taken
i definitely see where you’re going with us having only 2 real big guys and two skinny ones mixed with a whole group of overpaid guards. I also think that Nelson can use these to skinny guys. He always likes to match size with speed, that’s why he puts Maggette at the 4 and he used to try to put al harrington at the 5. that’s why i think Wright and Randolph can both be productive for us, sure we’re going to have to get them help on defense but who, on our team, doesn’t need help on defense? I’d like to see him utilize these guys a lot more especially now while its still somewhat early in the season and having already declared us a non playoff team. We might as well put all the focus on getting these guys more involved so that when the time comes for them to consistently get minutes, they will have the experience and feel for how NBA games go. You’re right i should give him a little credit because he actually does play the young guys more than he did before. A lot of it is because he is forced to but he still does it. I have to admit though, there are many times, while watching the warriors, i think to myself "why is Brandan Wright/ Randolph/ Morrow/ Bellinelli in this situation? I see so many different situations where it would be ideal to put in one of these players. Like when other teams hit us with the zone defense we should get our shooters like Morrow and Marco out there and a lengthy player like Wright in the middle who has a better chance to snatch the board with his length if we miss. Also, times when it’s obvious we’re lacking energy and getting killed on the boards, throw Wright and Randolph in there to use some more of that length to snatch boards. When someone on the floor is either making mistakes or not making a mark on the game, i think it is more wise to put in a player who is willing to go out there and make things happen. When kelenna/ jack or crawford’s off, sit them down and put in morrow/ belinelli/ watson for a few moments and see what they can bring. same goes for down low, I would sub Randolph for Maggette as many times as i need to in order to get the best production on the floor or if i ever see Maggette trying to shoot contested threes or just something dumb like that, sit him down and put in an eager body who will give full effort. You rarely have to sub Andris because it’s rare that he makes mistakes but in the rare instances he does or simply needs a breather, replace him with Turiaf and or Wright. as i stated, and i think you can agree, i like when Andris and Ronnie Turiaf are both on the floor. I think the wing defenders are more comfortable knowing that the two of them are behind them protecting the rim. There are so many different combinations Nelson can use if he just chooses to let it play out and give people equal opportunity. Rob Kurz is getting a shot from time to time, that must feel like a slap in the face to Marcus Williams who is now in his 3rd year, Marco now in his 2nd year, and even to Wright because i’ve seen him off the bench before Wright and it’s unbelievable. Now is the time to find out what works for us and what doesn’t and honestly, the rooks make mistakes but they have shown me a lot. Wright especially, he’s more active and his fg% is steadily climbing. I wouldn’t be so hard on Nelson if he can bring back the winning ways obviously but i am just not liking what i see from this guy at this point. Right now we’re a completely discombobulated bunch who lacks true leadership at the point guard position and in general really but before the season i thought Nelson could be the guy to mix and match with his rotations and find something that works but right now we look like a chicken with its head cut off. i can only hope that it gets better.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points...
…all around. We got some middle ground and thanks for not taking my initial reply too seriously or else it might have gotten into an ugly cat fight.
I totally agree with you on the point that during certain in game situations that Nelson should’ve played some youngin’s like, as you pointed out against zone defenses or when we need a spark. Also great point on Marcus Williams and Rob Kurz. I expected more out of Williams when we first got him especially with the reports about how he was getting back into shape but it’s mind boggling to me how he isn’t starting or at least getting the back up minutes. Although again I would’ve liked the role Rob Kurz currently plays belong to Hendrix. Kind of premature to think that a few D-League games is a good enough indication that Hendrix is ready but I personally rather have Hendrix out there backing up Wright or Turiaf when he’s playing the 4 like at Houston. I honestly believe that Hendrix was put behind the 8-ball when he was injured during the preseason but that’s another debate.
by gunwing54 on Dec 10, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well now step back and think about what you have just said....
- It’s true the players were the catalysts for putting on a winning streak to get into the Playoffs in 07’ and beating the Mav’s on the hardwood, but Nelson’s outside influence is what you’re overlooking.
- Nelson was the one who brought in Jackson and Harrington, while dumping Murphy, Dunleavy, and Diogu… All of those players were Mullin players, seeing as he drafted Diogu, and planned to build the W’s around Mike and Troy, hence why he gave them both big $$$. Everyone knows that Jackson and Harrington were Nellie players, just look how they play out on the court.
- Nellie does deserve the credit for the national exposure that the W’s recieved for it was he who coached this group of players, managed their personalities, and shaped it all into a successful team with only 1/2 of a season. Please don’t say that you think Mike Montgomery could have done that well, considering the amazing success he had with that roster. He couldn’t handle Baron and J-Rich, his offensive system was too stagnant, and he didn’t know when to use timeouts, I mean this is a guy who would wait until we went from up 10 to down 5 before he would react. Nelson did all of the aforementioned things and his public doubts that he expressed were a motivational tool to jump start the team, something Montgomery or anybody else would dare to do.
- Being matched up with Dallas was beneficial to Nelson and the Warriors as they were a team that had been stifled by us that year and the obvious Nelson ties and Mark Cuban revenge factor were meaningful. But in all fairness the Warriors could have beaten anybody but Utah and San Antonio, the way they were playing in both of those series. Phoenix would have been a dream matchup, and Houston, LA, and Denver were all beatable teams at that time. (T-Mac has never gotten out of 1st round, Kobe was the only good player on LA, and Denver was Denver.)
- Most of all the fans were great for the Warriors playoff run and going to games was a great experience and the most entertaining basketball I’ve ever seen, but at the same time I realize that it was the players playing and Nelson’s coaching and decision making that put the product on the floor and gained the exposure not me or any other fan.
- Nellie gave both Monta and Andris chances to play despite the fact that they were unknowns and despite his and Montgomery’s obvious doubts both ended up being solid players. Just the action of sticking with them, not trading them away, and giving them playing opportunities is the reason for their development.
- Dumping the weak players I mentioned before was Nelson’s influence, why do you think they were on the roster before he got there? All of those guys were good guys, but that did not translate onto the court and Nelson definitely pulled the plug on Murph, Mike, and Ike, while feuding with Pietrus and O’Bryant then dumping them in the offseason. Think about it if Montgomery was still coach and Nelson hadn’t made the decisions he had its very possible that all of those players would still be on the roster.
- Mullin preceeded Nelson and couldn’t win squat without him, his style or his players. Mullin is my favorite player of all time, but he has been 50/50 in terms of managing this franchise and finding the right talent. He deserves some credit for Monta, Andris, and Baron, but lets not forget the long term deals made to guys like Foyle, Fisher, Murph, and Mike worked out. I want him to be retained because I believe that he has learned from his early mistakes, but Nelson must stay as well.
- The current roster is deficient in many areas right now including PG, and without Monta I really don’t know what else they could be doing. The run n’ gun system is what has won them games over the past few years and is what maximizes this roster. Changing it now would be rushing into the unknown, where if the players don’t respond well to a less domineering figure than Nellie, this franchise will collapse.
Don’t give up, just be patient, and next year at this time we may be talking about a Playoff run, with Brandon Jennings running the point….
by Jagz8 on Dec 8, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"You're wrong!"
lmao. what?
by Five Ten Entertainment on Dec 13, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best Post ever.
trust me, the negativity here is hardcore, so no matter what you say, they will still argue you’re wrong, and when you’re proven right, they will deny they said it.
by sjboy on Dec 17, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
god no
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is a "movement" like...
1) …a Hip-hop anthem like “Hip-Hop Hooray… ho! Hey… Ho!” ?!?
2) Do we have sign a petition?
3) Wear a shirt expressing our movement?
by Tony.psd on Dec 8, 2008 6:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
if
its anything like “Hip Hop Hooray”, then I’m even more for it than I already am!!!
“you down with fire-Nell-I?”
…
“I’m down with Fire-NEll-I”
Tony? Some Naughty by Nature themed fan art perhaps?
by Aware1 on Dec 8, 2008 7:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That looks like a bright spot for a themed front post… watch out now!
by Tony.psd on Dec 8, 2008 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is
No one better fit in the NBA to run this team like Don Nelson. Take it or leave it.
Fire fire fire fire fire, never helps anyone. Name me one team that fired a coach and came back strong the next year?
by sjboy on Dec 8, 2008 7:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the 49ers
Heh.
Hopeless Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 8, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha
…..let’s wait till next year to see how well the Niners’ did and if they’ll even retain Singletary. I hope they do because the team looks like they know when to challenge plays now!
by gunwing54 on Dec 8, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NIIIIIIIIINERS!!
The team has really responded well to Mike Singletary! games are still ugly without a doubt but we’re heading in the right direction and i always say “a win’s a win no matter how ugly it is”!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll leave it Soulja Boy!
i refuse to believe that there is no one better because it is not true! Nelson is finished and it’s time to move on and go with something new! there are plenty of excellent coaches on the market for us. i won’t get into who i feel should coach and why they should coach for us and how they can help by coaching for us. i will say that i have Eddie Jordan and Sam Mitchell in mind but i’ll leave that open for another fanpost in the future! one team that came back strong and is playing much better than they were a year before is the Knicks, it’s still early to really say so just yet but they have obviously improved! sometimes all it takes is change.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Try a period sometimes..
it works just as well.
by turbulence24 on Dec 8, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this clown?
hahaha you’re hilarious buddy. keep making a fool of yourself! oh and here you go
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is that enough ! for you? hahaha bum
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious? There are plenty of teams. How about the Chargers last year? They got farther in the playoffs with Turner than they did with Schottenheimer. How about the new Falcons coach, the new Ravens coach, the new Dolphins coach? And that’s just this year, in one sport.
Honestly, what are you talking about here?
by belilaugh on Dec 8, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice one but...
that doesn’t mean turner is a better coach than schottenheimer.
both coaches haven’t won championships, but marty is 10x a better coach than norv turner will ever be.
marty has made the conference championship many times. well maybe not many but sure as hell a lot more than turner!
norv turner made it last year out of how many years as a coach? and you’re automatically putting him over schottenheimer in terms of who’s the better coach? that’s hilarious.
your statement doesn’t make any sense. are you trying to compare apples and oranges?
norv turner is a bad coach and should stick to being an offensive coordinator, something he’s actually good at.
by jchao204 on Dec 8, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cowboys...
…fired Jimmy Johnson and won a Super Bowl with Barry Switzer. Different sport, I admit. Pat Riley axed Van Gundy and made the Heat into what was a time bomb team, admittedly, but they did win the championship. The Warriors fired Mike Montgomery and pulled off the greatest 1st round upset in NBA history in ’07! It happens.
by Zack Vank on Dec 8, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Matter
The guy just needs to show he cares and is willing to make changes. He just hasn’t done that yet
by Pearlsofwisdom on Dec 8, 2008 8:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fire him now!
hahaha seriously fire nelson now!
by Young Money on Dec 8, 2008 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not quite ready to throw Nellie off the bus
Bottom line, Nellie took a hapless Warrior team to two playoffs (Counting last year as a birth sine never in history has a team won 48 and been on the outside looking in), which should give him more bandwidth after only 20 games, however bad they are. Secondly, the Warriors have the youngest team in the NBA, and currently don’t have top 20 player, which is usually a requirement to be a successful team in the NBA. Actually it’s usually two top tier players. Nevertheless, I think Randolph will continue to get quality minutes, and there is no excuse for playing Kurtz in front of Wright or Rdolph. I say, however frustrating, you gotta give it more time and factor in the development of the youth..it’s frustrating!
by Sterl on Dec 8, 2008 12:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rick Barry!
LOLOLOLOL
He’d probably start by ripping Maggette’s head off and then feeding it to Crawford. The gag reflex will be analogous to passing the ball. He will then tie Sjax’s hands together so he is forced to pass with two hands.
Hopeless Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 8, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he's almost as old as Nelson now
and just as abrasive
by hardcore on Dec 8, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather...
…have a coach who’s abrasive about defense than one who’s abrasive about nothing in particular.
by Zack Vank on Dec 8, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to focus on actual, possible things
The Warriors are not going to fire Don Nelson. They just signed him to a huge extension. They are crowding out Mullin to give Nelson more power. Wanting them to fire Nelson is like wanting Bush to fire Cheney. It’s just not realistic.
by chacabuco on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey you guys love to play the blame game...
How about we start a “Blame Monta Movement”. Just because we have not heard anything about Ellis for awhile, we seem to forget that his injury started all this hot mess. The man gets a fatty contract, practically given the keys to the lamborghini. And what does he do? He shits on all the fans by messing around and getting injured! Yay! Talk about being irresponsible. Then he gets pissed that the Warriors don’t want to pay him in case he doesn’t come back as the player that he was?? Why not nut up and admit his mistake and take it? If there is any one to blame, its Ellis. Let the games begin!!
by turbulence24 on Dec 8, 2008 7:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know huh!
What’s Monta doing right now LOL?!?
by Tony.psd on Dec 8, 2008 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If there is any one to blame, its Ellis
Ok then, Fire Montay!!
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
out of all the people that have commented
you’ve got to be the dumbest! seriously homie. you’re a clown and you can’t even spell Monta correctly. it ain’t MONTAY it’s Monta, i think you should probably think about what you’re going to post before you actually click post because you sound plain retarded. Just some advice for you buddy.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE MONTAY!!!
Now you got that little girl all upset.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 8, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's sexist
and rather offensive to little girls everywhere. you a clown homie
by antihero on Dec 9, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rather offensive to little girls
Haha, sorry. I was just surprised to find a little girl on here.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a blame Monta movement for a little while
I don’t have the motivation to go look it up, but it was there… honest!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know who's really at fault?
GSoM!!! They put so much pressure on these guys. Why do you think Al got unhappy? It wasn’t because Nellie was yanking his minutes around or forcing him to play a position he didn’t want to play, it was all the GSoMers complaining about how much he sucked! Fire GSoM! Or at least fire the complainers on GSoM!!!!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i made a similar post
a few weeks ago and completely agree with ya.
by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Dec 8, 2008 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yea i read that post
and i was all for it. i finally came around to putting one up myself. i’ve been meaning to do it for a long time. it’s funny how people really can’t see how bad of a coach he is though. it seems that they’re all satisfied with barely making the playoffs and becoming the first team with 48 wins not to make a playoff appearance. they all must like living in the past and don’t see how Nelson is really holding this team back. It’s terrible. hahaha the funniest is when people call Nelson a genius. Yes, he has done lots of smart things but can the genius actually figure out how to win a championship as a coach? i think not.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit your damn whining...
all you guys who said, “fire Nellie if we lose to OKC.” We won. Quit whining unless you can come up with a better solution than Nellie. Dude has been good for us. Our team is still really young and our future looks bright with length, size, quickness, youth, and athleticism. I’m excited about this roster, but it’s not going to happen this year. That is not a reason to jump ship and start ridiculous posts about firing Nellie. Give us a solid point guard and let the team gel this year and we are suddenly in the picture again. You guys will all eat your words.
by onetwocross on Dec 8, 2008 9:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
man,
someone with some sense…FINALLY. thank you onetwocross. “I feel ya”.
by turbulence24 on Dec 8, 2008 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
u dummies got your blinders on!
are you idiots blind folded? u really must not analyze warrior games that well. Nelson was forced, he didn’t choose or want to play his young guys today because of injuries to our 2 veteran players and look what happened, they performed and they performed well. no rookie on our squad can produce instantly off the bench, they need time to get into the flow of the game and for the first time, they got it tonight. If you notice when Nelson is yelling and screaming at his players, they don’t respond to him, they just let him pout and it goes in one ear and out the other. I saw Keith Smart coaching in the huddle for a moment and i noticed the players were completely focused in on what he was saying. Nelson no longer gets that response from his players because their all fed up with his pouting and his stubbornness. People keep saying that the team is bad and all that but i don’t believe that. the system that the team operates under is bad and that’s credited to the coach. A lot of people like to compare “Nelly Ball” to D’antoni’s “Run and Gun” style of play but there are differences. Nelly ball is basically putting the warriors at a disadvantage every time by creating midget lineups and simply hoping to out shoot the opponent every night. It’s all isolation plays where one guy tries to create while everyone stands around like morons, mixed with a couple of pick and rolls. If we try to take it in then we get abused inside so our only weapon is our shot and i got news for you. The warriors are not a great shooting team. Missed shots lead to long rebounds and running opportunities for the other team and since we rarely play good defense, we’re doomed almost every time. D’antoni’s system is fast but more under control. it’s inside-outside basketball with everyone moving almost all of the time trying to find open shots. Organized chaos. that’s why it works, everyone knows where they’re supposed to go in order to find the best shot.
It’s funny how deeply in love you guys are with Nelly when he really hasn’t gotten us nowhere except a losing streak of 9 this season. I’ll give him a bit of credit for the past two seasons success but once again, i’d give more of it to the players who didn’t quit when they’re coach quit on them. Nelson most likely won’t get fired because of all the power that was recently handed to him, but I, for one, can’t stand to see him coach this team any longer without letting all you Nelly lovers realize that he is no longer fit for our team.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so much bad vibes...
just because I’m not a Nellie Hater, don’t mean you can call me dumb, cousin. And I ain’t your “homie” bro. Can’t we all just get along??? For Montay’s sake you would think this was life or death. As FJ reminds us, count your blessings, at least you’re not a OKC Thunder fan. DUDE.
by turbulence24 on Dec 9, 2008 12:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
High Fiber
Not Feelin ya. “Not Never”.
This post made me have to start a movement of my own… I promise I’ll light a match when I’m done.
Go Dubs.
"Hold it down for the bay rep'n Oakland" --Keak Da Sneak
by KingCobra on Dec 9, 2008 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'm on board with the Movement
I had not fully decided until last night, but two related Nellie decisions in the game against the Sonic Thunder pushed me over the edge:
1. Pulling Brandan Wright after one quasi-missed box out and rebound and never re-inserting him after he had clearly been the key Warrior on the court
2. Going small for the last 6 minutes after not going small for the first 42 minutes. Nellie put in CJ and Crawford at the same time, which has proven time and again to open the flood gates on the defensive end, and it did again. That is exactly the time Durant got hot (since there is no one to guard him or even bother his shot). And after seeing Durant heat up a bit, Nellie went even smaller, with CJ/Craw/Morrow/Azubuike/AB, and that was nearly disastrous.
So, mark me down as ‘Fire Nellie’. I’m sick of watching this indefensible crap.
Are you ready, Keith Smart?
by UncleCliffy on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+ 1 billion
another one that’s down with the movement! you can see things like the ones that you just posted, on any given night while Don Nelson is coaching. you’re right, putting in Watson and Crawford at the same time is exactly the moment where Durant got hot. How did we let a 21 point lead slip all the way down to 3 points against a lowly team like the Thunder? answer : Don Nelson coaching. We can’t even get a “for sure” win without getting a scare. I absolutely hated how he subbed out Wright for one defensive mistake when he was easily our most productive warrior on the floor. If we’re frustrated with this just imagine how he and a lot of our players feel. Nelson did it to prove a point but Wright was basically a ghost after that. I can’t even recall if he came back in the game. Terrible. He keeps going back to small ball hoping that it will work, but it doesn’t and we get destroyed by it. I’m just as fed up with this bone headed style of coaching as you are.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting....But NO.
I love your blatant denial of cause and effect and disregard for what is fact.
- Yes Nelson was the key guy pushing for the trade of Mike D, Murphy, and Diogu, as he constantly grew frustrated with the incompetence and mistakes of those 3. All were Mullin guys who didn’t mesh with Nellie’s plan, but were ok in Mullin’s eye, thus the reason for their contract extensions. Nelson’s gripes with those players and their inability to fit into Nellieball was the cause for the trade not Chris Mullin and therefore the success of the trade should be attributed to Nelson who pushed for it. SIMPLE. Nelson has Celtic connections with Larry Bird and I’m sure that Mully helped out as well.
The weakness of your point is that you don’t attribute enough credit to Nelson for almost anything he has done. Why do you think Mullin brought in Nelson and lured him away from semi-retirement? Because he valued his skill at bringing in the right pieces and coaching the team. Nelson has always had a say on roster management wherever he has gone, so why would you assume that he is not a major voice now???
As for my constant Mike Montgomery references, I’m basically showing you what the previous coach had done with the same talent on the roster and how he could not win with it, unlike Nelson who shaped it into a winning team. Its an example of how coaching has a HUGE part of being successful in basketball, everyone who knows the game realizes this. As for him "giving up on the team", it was a public statement to the PRESS used to spark and motivate the Warriors into playing better basketball. I highly doubt he went into the locker room one day and said "Guys we just don’t have it this year, I’m packing it in." You make it out to be that the team magically came together in some sort of uprising for the sole purpose of disproving Nelson’s statement. What happened after that was the response of a team that had just received the message of a great motivational tactic used by a great coach. I’m sure Nelson knew what he was doing when he provoked the team in that manner and the proof is in the pudding in that he played the Warrior’s off as a bad team during the playoff series, once again publicly expressing his doubts, while internally leading this team. It’s Nellie’s style to downplay the importance of things and the talent of his team to the Media and outsiders because it reduces the hype and distractions that come along with self-promotion.
As for the teams in the playoffs, Al Harrington was capable of limiting Yao Ming consistently and once again T-Mac and his teams have NEVER gotten out of the 1st round. The way the Warriors were playing they could have beaten Denver and LA, both who slumped at the end of the season before the playoffs.
Once again you go back to this notion of "giving up" on the team and squarely pin it on Don Nelson’s shoulders. This is a misconception to the max. This team is underperforming because of several reasons including injuries, the mix of players, and the increased playing time for the young players. The injuries and playing the youth was not up to Nellie, as he agreed to follow the plan that Mullin, Rowell, and Cohan put together. They are losing because they are young and hurt, and if it were up to Nelson he would play his vets and experienced players the whole game and maximize the win total of this team. Once the Warriors commited to going younger this season they also commited to losing more games, they come hand in hand. Everyone complained about the young guys not getting enough experience last year and now this year they are getting, yet people who complain don’t realize the impact that playing youth has on a team.
Of course Nelson came out and once again made a public statement to the PRESS that this wasn’t likely going to be a playoff season and for good reason its probably not. That’s not saying that he is "quitting" on this team, rather his personal realization that they will lose games this year. If anything Nelson is a realist and understands the implications of losing your best player to injury and coaching the youngest team in the league. The sad part is I think that you and several other people don’t quite understand that fact and thus your logic is off base.
My final point is don’t jump ship because you can’t handle a young team losing games, when afterall it was probably something you were advocating at the end of last season. Nelson will get them back to playoff contention, but it takes time and jumping to conclusions now is just ridiculous. He did it in Milwaukee, Dallas, and here 2x, it just takes time to develop these young players and get them to their potential. Nellie does it his way and look at how good a couple of unknowns named Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash became after a couple years in Nellie’s development.
by Jagz8 on Dec 9, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jagz...
It’s pretty clear where you stand. But you type so much and you don’t bring up Nellie’s in-game coaching. It is bad. Very bad. Maybe he’s a great teacher of fundamentals in practice. Maybe he’s a master motivator. Maybe he has basketball anecdotes from the 60s, and he’s great in press conferences. Maybe he’s great at making trades. And maybe he’s just better than the 9 guys before him. But there are serious problems at hand. Here are the criticisms::
Regarding this season:
1. His insistence on going small has been disastrous. I think the small-ball statistics are really, really bad. Anyone want to look these up?
2. His starting lineups have been different almost every night. You can blame injuries to some extent , and you can blame upper management, but Nelson sets the card.
3. His substitution pattern lacks any consistency, and it is obvious that certain players are frustrated because they have no idea if/when they are going to play.
4. His out-of-bounds plays, one of his strong points last year with Baron Davis and Matt Barnes, have been non-existent this season. This team can barely get the ball in without turning it over, much less use these situations as part of the offensive repertoire.
5. He has coached much more passively, not hollering as often to push the ball, not rambunctiously calling in plays, and not strongly encouraging his players when they do well.
And in general:
6.. He allows certain players to get away with on-court murder with no punishment, while holding a select few to a higher standard. I hope this doesn’t need further clarification because you know to whom I’m referring.
7. He cannot fit certain players into his “system,” even when it appears they should be perfect fits. I believe one of them was recently traded to the Knicks, and has been playing much better in a very similar system..
8. His handling of Brandan Wright has been criminal. I just cannot use enough hyperbole to describe how ridiculous this whole situation is. Not playing Wright extended minutes last season has already cost the team one shot at the playoffs. Why make the same mistake twice? Even his own coaches disagree with him. Did anyone notice that after Nellie got tossed in Houston, Keith Smart immediately called upon Brandan, who had been sitting the entire game?
9. He has visibly slowed down. He looks tired, like his mind is somewhere else. I hate to say it, but he looks old. I think Nellie is one of the oldest coaches in the NBA, and I just don’t think he can compete with the energy level of some of the younger coaches.
With all that said, I still think that Nellie should have a role in the organization, somewhere in upper management. His knowledge, experience, and eye for talent are invaluable. But this team needs a new coach.
by UncleCliffy on Dec 10, 2008 1:42 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
here's a link to the small ball statistics
http://48minutes.net/2008/12/01/pre-game-snack-the-stark-difference-between-large-and-small/
I have to agree with you on everything that you just said. If you read my posts, it definitely sounds like I hate Nelson, when really i’m just tired and frustrated with his coaching. I’ve reached my boiling point with him and feel it’s time for a change. If a coach could ever reach his prime, i think Nelson has done so a long time ago. I actually had a great deal of respect for him and he used to be one of my favorite coaches. That was when i was a kid and didn’t understand the game of basketball as well as i do now. I wouldn’t mind seeing Don Nelson have a place in upper management but no longer can i stand to see him coach this team straight into losing situations time after time. I agree 100% with you on the Brandan Wright situation. It’s ridiculous. He has grown more consistent every game and is getting better and better at making his presence felt so why isn’t he playing more and more? Your post was extremely accurate and I couldn’t have said it better myself.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
while i agree w/ UncleCliffy and w/ you to some extent.
Brandan doesn’t play b/c he doesn’t understand his assignments. he’s like a DB in football constantly blowing coverages. i’m 99% sure he’s one of the guys Jack was talking about who doesn’t either remember or follow the game plan. i don’t think he’s very smart – as evidenced by his 3 illegal defenses in the OKC game. he seems, at best, to have a cursory grasp of the systems.
Marco has the language excuse (though he seems to finally be picking up the man on man d) & i don’t know why a vet like Marcus can’t figure it out; but the offensive & defensive systems can’t be that complicated. Kelenna & CJ (had to and) seemed to figure them out in the seasons they were called up (as rookies). Kurz & DeMarcus picked it up during training camp. Randolph isn’t there yet, but seems like he’s already getting a lot of it.
teams usually go over the night’s game plan during shootaround so if you’re slow to pick stuff up, you’re likely going to have problems getting PT.
i’d love for the W’s to fire Nellie and go after Thibodeau (Celtics defensive coach) at season’s end, but fear that Wright and Marco might get overwhelmed in a more complex system.
by the evil monkey on Dec 14, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you somewhat
You’re right. Brandan Wright isn’t the smartest guy on the court and yes he committed 3 stupid 3 in the key penalties (although i thought it was 2) but that’s beside the point. Some players just have a better basketball IQ than others but that doesn’t mean that they are more talented and can make more of a difference on actual ball game. I think Wright and Randolph need time to come along with the system and they will only get better with experience. we can’t forget that these guys are super young and they have never really played in systems like these. I have supreme confidence that they will grow into the system and get better with time. Yeah, I don’t know why Marcus Williams can’t get the offense. He’s been in the league long enough, I can’t figure out an excuse for him. Marco is doing well and I think he just needs time and he will improve as well.
I don’t know if Thibodeau would be the right coach for this team in particular just because he is a defense minded coach. The structure of this team is built for a high powered offensive system. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see a huge difference in our defense but I think with the players we have, we’re purely an offensive team. We need a coach that won’t play stupid small ball, will change the offensive system and add more movement (off ball screens, cuts and positioned perimeter shooters etc.). All this while adding a new dimension of defense. We shouldn’t rely on just trying to get deflections, there should be better team defense with more communication. We have capable defenders but you’re right, we do have terrible perimeter defenders. Jack has either lost his ability to defend or lost his heart and determination. He gets beat at the defensive end time after time now a days. We do have guys downlow that can defend the rim very well but nobody ever gets the rebounds after a blocked shot. Maybe Thibodeau would be good but it’s a completely different style and it would take a lot of time to implement it with our team. I like Sam Mitchell or Eddie Jordan although we’re not likely to see anyone of these coaches coach for the warriors because Nelson holds all the power in the organization right now.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 15, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the biggest problem is all these other coaches getting fired. too much competition for the top coaches.
i probably don’t mind the offensive system as much as most. as long as we’re winning, i can live w/ even isolation.
we’re probably stuck with Nellie. as long as he consistently plays Wright & Belinelli 20 minutes, i can live with the other stuff. if he wants to leave a vet in for his own sanity & blood pressure, i’d prefer he played Turiaf more & Jack a little less, but whatever.
by the evil monkey on Dec 15, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems excessive to call Wright dumb because of a couple illegal defense calls. He certainly has defensive lapses, but no more than any of the other young guys. If you ask me, Randolph looks a lot more clueless on defense than Wright does.
Meanwhile, Wright’s field-goal percentage and turnover rate, two stats that strike me as decent indicators of basketball IQ, are the best on the team. I’m not seeing stupidity in his game.
by onlxn on Dec 16, 2008 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph is like a puppy
Running around with lots of energy, seeing the big dogs do cool things and tries to do them himself. Except he still doesn’t know where to poop, doesn’t realize that he can’t do the same things bigger dogs do, etc. Hopefully he’ll grow up, but until then… yikes.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 17, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Coaches SHOULD look tired, its a HARD job, and means he is killing himself trying to make a piece of poo, smell good.
Stop your crying, he is doing a good job. The lineups change because of all the injuries and trades that keep happening.
Everything you are saying is nit picking, inaccurate and just plain dumb. 0 of it is fact.
I might as well, just start posting ridiculous opinions, you guys just love making up stuff. Handling Brandan Wright has been criminal LOL…. The boy plays himself out of games…
He cannot be responsible for his team not being able to inbound the ball. You need a coach to inbound the ball, you straight up suck. And thats just that.
Like I said, most of you are begging with these outrageous comments. Its almost as outrageous as Raptors fans thinking they were going to content with Calderon at PG and adding Jermaine Oneal. Stop smoking.
by sjboy on Dec 17, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie doesn't care about where this team will be in 3 years, period.
That is why he doesn’t give the younger players consistent playing time, hey 10-12 minutes a game isn’t too much to ask. Instead he’s too lazy during the game to sub players in and out so every now and then he picks a young player before or in the middle of the game and gives him some minutes, and it seems regardless of how he plays he’ll sit him for a week or two after that. How does that develop our youngsters? Good coaches have set roles for everyone of their players, Nellie doesn’t have a clue from one day to the next, he’s like some drunk mad scientist just throwing ish together and sometimes it works because we do have some ballers.
by mr40waters on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
you ugly SWAG!!!!
man i think you’re full of garbage! i agree he’s not the best coach but this whole organization is in shambles! you credit him with finding gems, but that’s chris mullin’s job!! and by the end of this year he’ll be gone so now what? you wanna know why nelson really sucks balls? because he just goes out for the win every time. he doesn’t think about the future because he’ll be outta here by then and it won’t be his problem. if you wanna fire anyone it should be robert i"i’m a retard" rowell. the guy constantly screws our team in his money hungry scheme with chris “i stoie christmas” cohen. everyone wants to relive the old days and what we were, but you know what? WE’RE THE WARRIORS!!!! This is life! love it or leave, and like many of the bandwagoners have done they’re gone!
by FoyleInDeeFace! on Dec 11, 2008 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Be clear
I ain’t no bandwagon fan. I’ve been supporting this team since I was a little kid, through the good and the bad. I’ve defended this team from all the nay sayers any time someone knocks on them. It’s a hard job but i’m loyal to my team. I even got Nelson’s autograph on an old basketball somewhere in my house but I have a lot of issues with him at this point. I do blame Rowell and Cohan for a lot of stuff but I think Nelson is a big contributor to why this team sucks right now. We have guys that can help us win now! Brandan Wright can flat out play. He can help this team if he could just get some consistent playing time (And not only during the first half of game) But for some reason, Nelson doesn’t allow him to play as much as he should. Read the points that Uncle Cliffy made right above your comments. How can you not agree with any of that? We have guys that can fit in nicely but they are just used wrong and that’s credited to the coach. Maybe i wouldn’t have so many problems with Don Nelson if he would just make changes to make this team better because people can deny it all they want, but there is a lot of talent on this team and we should be sitting in a better position than 7-14. You’ll have to excuse me for being frustrated, I just get really passionate about this team because they are and forever will be my favorite team no matter what. I just know that we can perform better and hate what has happened to this organization just 2 years from our magical “we believe” season. Everything was supposed to just get better but a few screw ups and it looks like we’re right back to square one and from the looks of it presently, we’re going nowhere fast. So don’t get it twisted bruh…I ain’t no bandwagon fan, I’m a warrior for life and I love it but I know we can be better and i wanna see it.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 11, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
U ain't bandwagon
I never said u was bandwagon bruh…I said they gone just like our glory. If you’re a real dubs fan then you know this is our destiny, no matter how much you don’t want this to happen. Let’s not just blame one person. Who would come in and change this? U can guess but until it really happens then it’s just a bunch of words
by FoyleInDeeFace! on Dec 11, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE NELSON NOW
AND get rid of Jackson. Is anyone watching tonight’s Rockets game? it’s the end of the 3rd and Jackson is up to his usual shenanigans; HORRIBLE shot selection, bad D, arguing with the refs, numerous turnovers, botching fast breaks, etc… This guy is a solid role play at BEST… Our future is Monta, Bellineli, Randolph, Beidrins… I am SO frustrated with Nellie, it makes me sick.
by TradeJackson on Dec 12, 2008 9:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
take marco off that list
he’s not a future core player, he’s a future cast off. with the massive amount of guards on the team, it makes no sense to keep him around. is he even the 5th best guard on the roster? the guy had a good game the other night. congrats, marco. but he’s gone and not very good. i just don’t get the attachment to a player that is mediocre at best.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
by cap'n hack on Dec 13, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
—WORST FG% DIFFERENTIAL from TK
—WORST FG% DIFFERENTIAL (everybody at -1% or worse)/
1. Oklahoma City -4.85% … (opp 47.72, own 42.87)/ Coach fired.
2. NY Knicks -4.42% … (opp 48.35, own 43.93)/ First-year coach, Mike D’Antoni.
3. Minnesota -4.04% … (opp 47.01, own 42.97)/ Coach fired.
4. Washington -2.63% … (opp 48.10, own 45.47)/ Coach fired.
5. Milwaukee -2.46% … (opp 45.72, own 43.26)/ First-year coach, Scott Skiles.
6. Philadelphia -2.13% … (opp 45.53, own 43.40)/ Coach just fired.
7. WARRIORS -1.85% … (opp 46.60, own 44.75)/ COACH’S CONTRACT EXTENDED!!!!
damn stupid
by goldenboywarrior on Dec 13, 2008 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah! firing those coaches sure helped those teams! …wait a second (btw, mo cheeks also got an extension before the season).
if/when we fire Nellie, it should be after the season once we’ve seen Monta and the team together and where the young guys are at at year’s end.
and truth be told, i’d love to see us give Thibodeau a chance at a head coaching gig next season.
by the evil monkey on Dec 13, 2008 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
All those coaches couldnt hold Don Nelson’s jock. When Phil Jackson and the Lakers didnt make the playoffs, do you fire Phil Jackson? I mean he had KOBE BRYANT!
Oh wait.
by sjboy on Dec 17, 2008 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do you fire Phil Jackson?
If we had phil jackson we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 17, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
We’d be 9-16 instead, my bad. Scratch that, he would have used his zenmasterness to send a psychic message to Monta telling him not to go dirt biking, we’d have had Monta from the start, he would have channeled TMNT’s Knicks abilities and we’d be 16-9 with Monta & TMNT each averaging over 25PPG. It’d be awesome.
(inhales…. exhales, inhales… exhales)… here buddy, you gotta hit this.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 17, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
You are so mistaken.
Thats what New Yorkers said about Larry Brown.
Coaches dont change teams, players do.
by sjboy on Dec 17, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches dont change teams, players do.
Jackson would have added Bynum to our 07 playoff core and we be set.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 17, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
Do you know for a fact, that Phil “Smoking weed on my breaK” Jackson hand picked Bynum? And if you do provide EVIDENCE.
That is one of the dumbest comments I’ve read on here all year. It OPITIMIZES what you people are right now, DREAMIN’.
First of all Bynum would of had a stroke on the floor from running with Baron and Monta. SECOND OF ALL, he was no WHERE NEAR what he is now ( which is still average ) 2 years ago.
………………..Its like I’ve been saying, we got a bunch of LA funs. Go watch the Lakers!
by sjboy on Dec 17, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bynum would of had a stroke on the floor from running with Baron and Monta.
Why would Jackson be playing Nellie’s system? Jackson has one that actually works. Has the cold got you slowed down?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 17, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches dont change teams, players do.
Coaches teach the players, develop the players and help the players come along. Coaches develop the systems for the player to be able to excel the most. Coaches change teams! look at D’antoni in NY if you don’t believe me. They pretty much have all the same guys there from last year and their record is much better this season and that is a credit to the coach. The style is different, the players are more invigorated and they all buy into the system. No one buys into Nelson’s small ball system. it’s just plain stupid to put 4 guards and 1 center on the floor. Rotations are terrible and i’m fed up with him.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 17, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stats. Nellie's a joke.
Check out my blog at www.dantheman85x.blogspot.com
by dantheman85x on Dec 17, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Second Winningest coach of all time
What do you do for a living? Are you the second most successfull of all time?
Didnt think so.
Know your role.
by sjboy on Dec 17, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shut your mouth idiot
you don’t know jack sh*t! you sound stupider and stupider each after each comment i read from you. save whatever dignity you have left and just shut your face.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 17, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Second Winningest coach of all time?
Wasn’t there a post of how he rates in losses too? If he’s near the loss leaders too that means he’s just been around longer than most so his games won don’t mean as much. If he’s 2nd in wins but far from the most losses then it probably means he’s good along with old?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 17, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ridiculous
the warriors, i love em and all, but they have to be one of the worst franchises in professional sports. ESPN gives them no love whatsoever. Did you watch the Denver game tonight? Denver looked like they were having so much fun playing against us. It’s too easy for other teams. the warriors look like my cousin’s 8th grade basketball team. it’s so sad.
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 13, 2008 8:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i really think we have some of the worst perimeter defenders in the NBA. it’s so rare when you actually see a dub player able to stop dribble penetration by an opposing player by himself.
there are plenty of times where an opposing player stops dribble penetration by us in 1 on 1 situations and forces a pass or a tough shot, but for the most part we always let the guy either get all the way to the hoop, a wide open look, or someone has to come over to help.
by the evil monkey on Dec 13, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so done with Nellie
The guy has Rowell and Cohan’s money to do whatever they want. They don’t know squat about basketball. He’s got one foot out the door and doesn’t care. I’m sick of him. Get rid of them all.
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by dantheman85x on Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Another baseless, useless and COMPLETELY inaccurate post.
Can we start issuing warnings for blatant lies and HORRIBLE speculations? This Forum is CLOGGED with this garbage.
by sjboy on Dec 17, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then get out of here
you are so dumb you don’t even know it. Second winningest coach with no championship. It’s about the rings not the records idiot. can’t you see how bad this team is? We had 2 good years but i always felt that we could have been better with the roster that we had. Nelson’s system is stupid just like you are. Get the hell out of here dummy. Nelson is a joke why don’t you go start another post for Nelly lovers!
by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 17, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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