Don't Fire Nellie. Patience is a Virtue.

Didnt you already type of all this in the previous fan post?

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 8, 2008 2:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

he

felt like it was worth repeating. and i hadnt read this yet so.

i approve this fanpost.

its better then the 75 words 75 words 75 words fanpost at least.

by saintdee on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

this is what our team is doing right now. miami did it last year and they are slowly improving. the players we got rid of this off season didnt want to be with the warriors we have to try to get the right pieces over TIME. it doesnt happen over night. cant hate of nelson or jackson for the poor start. 29 other teams are doing the same thing

by Somar on Dec 18, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you're wrong!

and i’ll tell you where!

- getting the W’s some national exposure in 07 Playoffs. -—— He didn’t do this! do you remember the beginning of the season when we still had the murphleavy sisters and we finally traded them away mid season? towards the end of the season, even with those two suckers gone, Nelson couldn’t find a winning solution. He accepted his fate and publicly gave up on his team’s playoff hopes! the players then took it upon themselves and played miraculously enough to sqeeze right into the playoffs and Nelson was as surprised as everyone else. Luckily for him, we were able to be matched up against his former team, whom he knew all the ins and outs about. He knew all their weaknesses and everything on how to beat Avery Johnson and the Mavs. i’ll give him credit for that but If it was anyone else (spurs,lakers, rockets, jazz) that we were matched up against in the first round, the outcome would most likely be a lot different! i don’t credit him for getting us the expozure, i credit him for taking the spotlight and assuming credit for the success when all, if not, most of it should have been credited to the core of the team (B. Davis, J. Rich, Cap Jack, Monta, Biedrins, Harrington, Barnes, Pietrus and the cheerleading bench!) plus i would also credit the fans more than i would to Nelson! we were the ones that made the Oracle come alive and made it one of the toughest places to play in the NBA. The die hards lead the bandwagoners and cheered ferociously for our team to succeed!

- Developing Monta Ellis into a solid player. -———— i dont think i would give him credit for this either. Monta was a talented player in HS and Mullin seen something in this guy and we were lucky to pick him up in the 2nd round. Nelson was, i think, lucky that Monta turned out to be a good player! the way Nelson threw him in and out of the “doghouse”, and came down hard on him like he does with so many young players, it’s fortunate that he was able to get better and better. i credit Monta’s development more to the veterans of our team (Davis, Richardson, Jack, Harrington) and to Monta himself for never giving up on himself like Don Nelson gives up on select players.

- Developing Andris Biedrinis and actually playing him. -- I credit Biedrins hard work, heart, determination and effort. once again, not Nelson! he’s the only big that we could really rely on and he took the challenge and continued to work to get better and better!

- Dumping losers like Murphy, Dunleavy, Diogu, Pietrus, and O’Bryant. -——— uhhhhhh Mullin did that, not Nelson! and look at Pietrus now, before his injury, he was showing that he is not just a spot up shooter from the corner 3 point spot. Granted, he is playing off of Dwight Howard, but his athleticism is on full display playing in a different system that plays to his strengths. he had a nice string of games where he scored at least 20 and has increased his scoring average heavily.

- Turning around a franchise that hadn’t made the Playoffs in 13 years. -———— It was Mullin who put the team together and it was Mullin who brought this old fart coach back and now Nelson basically took over all of the power and threw Mullin to the wolves. Nelson took over a franchise who was on it’s way up and coached them right back into the wrong direction!

i’ll give you the one where you talked about finding subs like Buike, Watson, Barnes because i like all of those guys. they play well for us a lot of the time. nobody is expecting the Warriors to turn into the Spurs but damn can someone stop the damn basketball and get in fron of somebody from time to time? Nelson doesn’t stress that to his players enough! he doesn’t stress team rebounding! he basically just tries to outscore the other team and hope to win! not a good game plan! patience is out the door! this franchise and fan base wants to win and wants to win now! i think we have a talented enough roster than what our record of 5-14 shows! we have depth, versatiliy, quickness, and i think, enough veteran leadership but Nelson refuses to coach the right way and insists on playing his style and his style only. we’re really just missing a true point guard! we have players that can be used for many different situations in a game. we have players who can spread the floor. we have all of this, yet Nelson doesn’t seem to know how to glue it all together! he’s lost his will to win, his patience is all gone and so is mine! if we lose against OKC Thunder, that is the nail in the coffin, in my opinion! he’s gotta go!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 8, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well now step back and think about what you have just said....

- It’s true the players were the catalysts for putting on a winning streak to get into the Playoffs in 07’ and beating the Mav’s on the hardwood, but Nelson’s outside influence is what you’re overlooking.

- Nelson was the one who brought in Jackson and Harrington, while dumping Murphy, Dunleavy, and Diogu… All of those players were Mullin players, seeing as he drafted Diogu, and planned to build the W’s around Mike and Troy, hence why he gave them both big $$$. Everyone knows that Jackson and Harrington were Nellie players, just look how they play out on the court.

- Nellie does deserve the credit for the national exposure that the W’s recieved for it was he who coached this group of players, managed their personalities, and shaped it all into a successful team with only 1/2 of a season. Please don’t say that you think Mike Montgomery could have done that well, considering the amazing success he had with that roster. He couldn’t handle Baron and J-Rich, his offensive system was too stagnant, and he didn’t know when to use timeouts, I mean this is a guy who would wait until we went from up 10 to down 5 before he would react. Nelson did all of the aforementioned things and his public doubts that he expressed were a motivational tool to jump start the team, something Montgomery or anybody else would dare to do.

- Being matched up with Dallas was beneficial to Nelson and the Warriors as they were a team that had been stifled by us that year and the obvious Nelson ties and Mark Cuban revenge factor were meaningful. But in all fairness the Warriors could have beaten anybody but Utah and San Antonio, the way they were playing in both of those series. Phoenix would have been a dream matchup, and Houston, LA, and Denver were all beatable teams at that time. (T-Mac has never gotten out of 1st round, Kobe was the only good player on LA, and Denver was Denver.)

- Most of all the fans were great for the Warriors playoff run and going to games was a great experience and the most entertaining basketball I’ve ever seen, but at the same time I realize that it was the players playing and Nelson’s coaching and decision making that put the product on the floor and gained the exposure not me or any other fan.

- Nellie gave both Monta and Andris chances to play despite the fact that they were unknowns and despite his and Montgomery’s obvious doubts both ended up being solid players. Just the action of sticking with them, not trading them away, and giving them playing opportunities is the reason for their development.

- Dumping the weak players I mentioned before was Nelson’s influence, why do you think they were on the roster before he got there? All of those guys were good guys, but that did not translate onto the court and Nelson definitely pulled the plug on Murph, Mike, and Ike, while feuding with Pietrus and O’Bryant then dumping them in the offseason. Think about it if Montgomery was still coach and Nelson hadn’t made the decisions he had its very possible that all of those players would still be on the roster.

- Mullin preceeded Nelson and couldn’t win squat without him, his style or his players. Mullin is my favorite player of all time, but he has been 50/50 in terms of managing this franchise and finding the right talent. He deserves some credit for Monta, Andris, and Baron, but lets not forget the long term deals made to guys like Foyle, Fisher, Murph, and Mike worked out. I want him to be retained because I believe that he has learned from his early mistakes, but Nelson must stay as well.

- The current roster is deficient in many areas right now including PG, and without Monta I really don’t know what else they could be doing. The run n’ gun system is what has won them games over the past few years and is what maximizes this roster. Changing it now would be rushing into the unknown, where if the players don’t respond well to a less domineering figure than Nellie, this franchise will collapse.

Don’t give up, just be patient, and next year at this time we may be talking about a Playoff run, with Brandon Jennings running the point….

by Jagz8 on Dec 8, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

now i must correct you again

good effort but you’re just sadly misinformed.

Nelson didn’t get rid of those guys. He didn’t want them here because they couldn’t perform well enough in his system to keep them here but Mullin pulled off the trade. i would have been happy just to get them and their huge contracts out of here for pretty much anyone but Mullin worked his magic. Mullin had the relationship with Larry Bird, Donnie Walsh and the Indiana Pacers organization, not Nelson. It was a great trade but Nelson should not take the credit for it just because he didn’t like what Dunleavy and Murphy brought to the table. It was Mullin’s work. Sure Mully made the mistake by throwing so much $$$ at them but he was able to correct it and get some quality players in return.

I never mentioned anything about Mike Montgomery, i don’t know why you keep referring to him. Of course the coach has got to get some credit for the success but more of it should go to the players who actually go out there and make it happen. I keep having to remind people that Nelson quit on this team before they took it upon themselves to make a final push and sneak into the playoffs. He never knew that they were going to respond the way they did, he literally gave up and was looking towards next year. It wasn’t by plan, the result surprised him just as much as it surprised everyone else. Nelson should get credit for devising a game plan to beat a team whom he helped build from the ground up. He knew all the ins and outs of the Maverick organization and had his son still working in the front office at the time so he had pretty much every advantage and it didn’t only show in the playoffs. We owned that team. We knew how to attack Dirk and get him out of his rhythm and keep everyone else at bay and that’s because Nelson built that team. I’d have to disagree with you on the warriors being able to beat any other team except Utah and the Spurs. Rockets really knew how to kill us inside and we’d be worn down by game 3 just waiting to be finished off and T-Mac would finally reach the second round. It’s possible we could have beat LA but anything’s possible right? LA has had our number for years and they kick it into a whole new gear when they’re in playoff mode, i think they would just be too much for us in a seven game series. I agree with Phoenix, that would be a great series to watch. Denver we most likely would have gotten through them too but it could have went either way.

The playoffs were the best sporting event i’ve ever been to as well. I was at every home game and I feel that the fans should get credit for the exposure too. They mentioned in the broadcasts, how loud it got in the oracle and how tough of a place it is to play in there come playoff time. If you were the other team, it must have been nerve rattling. Every moment was crazy!

I’ll give you that about Monta and Andris but a lot of their development came from working with the veterans on our squad too. When Nelson would chew them up, the veterans would help them and teach them. Of course you need game time to develop, which is why I wish Don Nelson would just let some of the guys on our roster develop. Brandan Wright is becoming more consistent day by day, Randolph shows flashes of brilliance but still needs work, Morrow’s J is smooth as it comes, and if you saw Bellinelli play against the Thunder, it looked like he had all the game time experience and has been doing this for a long time. it looked natural and he even played some pretty good defense. If Nelson could spread the minutes better and find situations where he can use different players off the bench than that would be one step toward making me believe in him again. It probably won’t happen because he is too stubborn and won’t change but hey, anything’s possible!

I agree that Mulin hasn’t done the greatest job in the world but he has played a huge part in bringing this team back into the spotlight. He brought in Nelson and it was supposed to be a smooth partnership and now look at it. Mullin is like the forgotten man. who knows if anyone in the front office even listens to him anymore. Don Nelson was basically handed the keys to the organization and he left Mullin to the wolves. Now the team is in shambles and complete disarray and with someone who is as stubborn as Don Nelson running the show, who knows when it’s going to get any better. He’s drunk with power and he’s already got guaranteed money coming to him no matter how poor his performance is. If he could find ways to make the proper adjustments then maybe i can change my view of him but until i see it, i’m going to continue to go against him.

We can still have the same up tempo style of play but i’m sure a coach who knows how to work with younger players can get more out of them than Nelson. Nelson has already given up on this team and has declared that we will not be competing in the playoffs which i pretty much expected coming into this season but you don’t go out in public and say it, this early in the season and not expect your players to hear it. If you’ve already waved the white flag, how can you expect your team to give it their all night in and night out. There’s no way i’m giving up on the team because i feel there is a lot of talent here but it just remains to be seen and i don’t think we’ll see the development of these young players consistently enough with Don Nelson holding all the cards. I’m giving up on Don Nelson because this is already the second time he’s given up on the warriors. the first time he gave up, we had a more resilient bunch that responded to their coaches statements, this years bunch is young and inexperienced and if you quit on them now then it would be easy to lose respect for a coach. Thus leading them not to exude the kind of discipline to follow his game plans. It’s already a tough situation to play in the NBA and it makes it even tougher when you have to play for a bullheaded coach like Nelson.
The frustration is almost at its highest point not only with the fanbase but from the players as well. Harrington was the first to come out publicly about Don Nelson’s coaching methods, now Bellinelli, Marcus Williams and Maggette have all had a say in the public eye. Everyone knows that when you play under Nelson, his mentality is “it’s my way or the highway!”.
There is something very wrong here and i think this team is in dior need of a big change (i’m referring to the coach obviously). I think it will be better for the future development of our players that will be a big part of the core of our team and in the long run it will stabilize our franchise. that’s my opinion and a lot of people feel the same, if not, similar about Nelson so i’m definitely not alone. I do respect your loyalty to him but he’s given up not once, but twice already so i’m putting my loyalty into the team and quitting on him. it’s all for the better good.

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting....But NO.

I love your blatant denial of cause and effect and disregard for what is fact.

- Yes Nelson was the key guy pushing for the trade of Mike D, Murphy, and Diogu, as he constantly grew frustrated with the incompetence and mistakes of those 3. All were Mullin guys who didn’t mesh with Nellie’s plan, but were ok in Mullin’s eye, thus the reason for their contract extensions. Nelson’s gripes with those players and their inability to fit into Nellieball was the cause for the trade not Chris Mullin and therefore the success of the trade should be attributed to Nelson who pushed for it. SIMPLE. Nelson has Celtic connections with Larry Bird and I’m sure that Mully helped out as well.

The weakness of your point is that you don’t attribute enough credit to Nelson for almost anything he has done. Why do you think Mullin brought in Nelson and lured him away from semi-retirement? Because he valued his skill at bringing in the right pieces and coaching the team. Nelson has always had a say on roster management wherever he has gone, so why would you assume that he is not a major voice now???

As for my constant Mike Montgomery references, I’m basically showing you what the previous coach had done with the same talent on the roster and how he could not win with it, unlike Nelson who shaped it into a winning team. Its an example of how coaching has a HUGE part of being successful in basketball, everyone who knows the game realizes this. As for him “giving up on the team”, it was a public statement to the PRESS used to spark and motivate the Warriors into playing better basketball. I highly doubt he went into the locker room one day and said “Guys we just don’t have it this year, I’m packing it in.” You make it out to be that the team magically came together in some sort of uprising for the sole purpose of disproving Nelson’s statement. What happened after that was the response of a team that had just received the message of a great motivational tactic used by a great coach. I’m sure Nelson knew what he was doing when he provoked the team in that manner and the proof is in the pudding in that he played the Warrior’s off as a bad team during the playoff series, once again publicly expressing his doubts, while internally leading this team. It’s Nellie’s style to downplay the importance of things and the talent of his team to the Media and outsiders because it reduces the hype and distractions that come along with self-promotion.

As for the teams in the playoffs, Al Harrington was capable of limiting Yao Ming consistently and once again T-Mac and his teams have NEVER gotten out of the 1st round. The way the Warriors were playing they could have beaten Denver and LA, both who slumped at the end of the season before the playoffs.

Once again you go back to this notion of “giving up” on the team and squarely pin it on Don Nelson’s shoulders. This is a misconception to the max. This team is underperforming because of several reasons including injuries, the mix of players, and the increased playing time for the young players. The injuries and playing the youth was not up to Nellie, as he agreed to follow the plan that Mullin, Rowell, and Cohan put together. They are losing because they are young and hurt, and if it were up to Nelson he would play his vets and experienced players the whole game and maximize the win total of this team. Once the Warriors commited to going younger this season they also commited to losing more games, they come hand in hand. Everyone complained about the young guys not getting enough experience last year and now this year they are getting, yet people who complain don’t realize the impact that playing youth has on a team.

Of course Nelson came out and once again made a public statement to the PRESS that this wasn’t likely going to be a playoff season and for good reason its probably not. That’s not saying that he is “quitting” on this team, rather his personal realization that they will lose games this year. If anything Nelson is a realist and understands the implications of losing your best player to injury and coaching the youngest team in the league. The sad part is I think that you and several other people don’t quite understand that fact and thus your logic is off base.

My final point is don’t jump ship because you can’t handle a young team losing games, when afterall it was probably something you were advocating at the end of last season. Nelson will get them back to playoff contention, but it takes time and jumping to conclusions now is just ridiculous. He did it in Milwaukee, Dallas, and here 2x, it just takes time to develop these young players and get them to their potential. Nellie does it his way and look at how good a couple of unknowns named Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash became after a couple years in Nellie’s development.

by Jagz8 on Dec 9, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you Don Nelson?

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No...but...

I’m glad I finally got you to come to your senses and shut up. See now that my point has sunken in you have run out of miserable remarks and are resorting to behaving like a 5 year old biatch.

Thank You, Come Again!

by Jagz8 on Dec 9, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

shut up ho!

i didn’t run out of nothin..i just realized that you’re too stupid to ever comprehend what i try to tell you. why even bother with a retard like you. you’re a stubborn loser just like your boyfriend Don Nelson. Wait a little longer and you’ll find out what a loser he really is.

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm.

This coming from a guy who just started a post “shut up ho!”…

All I have to say to you is go away kid, the adults are talking. Let me know when your balls drop and you grow a brain.

FYI not intelligently responding to my posts doesn’t make you look good buddy.

by Jagz8 on Dec 10, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m the kid when you’re the one who tried to insult me by comparing me to a “5 year old biatch”? that’s what you said right? Do you know how stupid you sound? Let me rephrase that. Do you know how stupid you are? The funny thing is, you think you’re smart but you’re far far far from it. You consider yourself an adult, hahaha my 3 year old cousin is more of an adult than you. At least he knows how to clean up his own mess and you, on the other hand, tried to clean up the mess about your boyfriend Nelly by attempting to cover up the truth with a load of BS. It doesn’t work like that son. People are smarter than that, that was a weak attempt to sound factual. Just to put it out there, I never called you any names until you chose to make it personal. I think you’re the one that resembles a “5 year old biatch!” Anyways, I really could care less about what you think so this is my last comment to you. However, I will leave you with this : This site is for real Warrior fans, not Don Nelson lover boys like yourself! Go somewhere else to profess your love to him. You sound like a Don Nelson groupie.

FYI Shut the F up idiot! haha

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 10, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh Simple Jack has more to say...

I guess you have conceded that you are an actual child, as you really never denied that claim. What I have gathered from your responses is that you are throwing a fit because my educated and logical post has:

A) recieved 2x the responses because it actually makes sense.

B) Made you realize that the point you tried to make has been completely disproven and ridiculed for good reason.

C) Shown that you are an ignorant Warriors fan, who has little patience and understanding of what it takes to develop and build a young team. You also have displayed very little basketball intelligence and have resorted to acting like a schoolboy bitch, because you have run out of intelligent comments and don’t have any response to my points about the Warriors and Nellie. You focus too much on being an idiot and not enough on responding, because your side of the argument is weak.

It saddens me that such stupidity exists in somebody who claims to have watched Warrior games.

Either reply to my posts on the Warriors and Nelson, or just leave it be, because frankly you’re an embarrassment.

by Jagz8 on Dec 10, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

nominated

for gsom exchange of the year

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Dec 10, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

for gsom exchange of the year

These kids sure waste a lot of energy.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 10, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Dec 8, 2008 2:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm sick of it too

great points. people are giving up on one of the greatest coaches of all time after a small losing streak.

by HoLdEmUP on Dec 8, 2008 2:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

one of the greatest coaches of all time? he’s in a category of his own type of greratness then, greatest coach to never have his team play defense or greatest coach to not have a single championship title as a coach! he aint even in the hall of fame i don’t think. didnt Dick Vitale get picked before he did? hahaha….one of the greatest coaches..that’s funny!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Also sick of it, since there are no answers

In my post If Not Nellie Then Who? I listed all the coaches that are mentioned here. Far from calling for Nellie’s head, I was trying to get people to move on to the next step. If you hate him so much, who would you replace him with? I thought the answer was obvious that there isn’t a coach anywhere that fits our roster and actually makes these guys produce, if not entertain.

Do we lose all the time? Yes. Do we suck? Yes. Does Nelson make decisions as a coach I don’t understand? Yes. Does he keep my favorite players out of the rotation and ride the veterans too hard? Yes. Is there anyone out there who we can get who will do a better job?

NO.

by Ormolov on Dec 9, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes there is

I think Sam Mitchell would be great for this squad. He’s not that old so he can relate to the youngsters better. that’s one of the things Nelson can’t do any longer. He’s too old and he can’t get on the same page with his younger players quite as much. He just doesn’t have the patience any more. He relies on veterans as you said and trusts only them so with him leading the way, our rookies and youngsters will rarely see quality playing time. Sam Mitchell also played a big part in developing Bosh and we have two guys with the same bodily features as Bosh in Wright and Randolph. I’m not saying they are the same or ever will be the same. that’s another discussion and i know people feel differently about that because i have read the comments that are posted on my fanpost “Who would you rather keep? Wright or Randolph”. so i’m not even going to go there. I think Mitchell would be more receptive and will work with the players more.

I also feel Eddie Jordan would do a good job here because he is stern but he won’t chew you out the way Nelson would. although his record was 1-10 when he was fired from the wizards, i still put him in the category of like a Nate Mcmillan or a Byron Scott because he seems to have a strong grasp on his team. The wizards were injury ridden for 2 years in a row and last year they still managed to make it to the playoffs. they still have a good team (even with a bad record) and i think it was a mistake to give up on Eddie Jordan. Wait til Arenas is at full strength and Haywood and Antonio Daniels come back. those are my top 2 coaches on the market to replace Don Nelson. I say no to Avery, Flip and any other coach who is inexperienced. I’d even give Keith Smart the position because he is still young enough to relate to this young squad and help them excel. What about Jim Barnett hahahaha….that was a joke! that would be pretty funny. i know i’ll probably get a lot of criticism for saying this but i think Eric Snow could be the next in line to find a coaching job somewhere. He has a high basketball IQ and is young but old enough to get a shot at a coaching spot. Just a thought though!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely Not.

I find it hilarious that you think brining in 2 coaches whose teams could never play a lick of Defense in the regular season or in the playoffs when it counted would be a better fit for the Warriors.

- Sam Mitchell couldn’t pull together an underperforming team in Toronto, who had a Super Star in Chris Bosh, one of the best PG’s in Calderon, and a quality big guy scorer like Jermaine O’Neal. Why in your opinion could he do any better here, when the W’s don’t have any of those things and play in the West? He helped develop Bosh to an extent sure, I credit it more to Bosh himself improving despite the lack of talent around him for several years. But just because he coached Bosh and we have 2 guys that look/play like him, doesn’t mean a damn thing. I don’t want a coach whose team was getting blown out by the Nuggets for no reason whatsoever.

-Eddie Jordan is a mediocre coach who couldn’t pull that Wizards roster together and play Defense or as a team. He only got out of the 1st round once and that was against an extremely young Chicago team. Passing, Chemistry, and Defense were not his coaching strong suits and he may be a good coach someday, but in his 2 previous stops so far not impressive. By the way he is nothing like Nate McMillan or Byron Scott in that those are Defensive specialty coaches, who have had playoff success to an extent. I don’t see anything to warrant that comparison.

Stick with Nellie…

by Jagz8 on Dec 9, 2008 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

eddie jordan

kind of weird how similar his year went to nellie’s. his best player gets hurt, his team isn’t good enough to play well without him and everyone looks at him as just an offensive coach, who can’t do anything else. but now he is left without anyone to score because his best scorer is hurt, so everyone looks at a team that can’t stop anyone because of a serious lack of defenders and they blame him.

the best part is that his situation was actually better considering he had butler and jamison, both guys who are clearly better than anyone healthy on the warriors. and this is the breath of fresh air that people are advocating? i like eddie jordan, i really do, i hope he gets a job somewhere soon. the guy’s a capable coach, but if you want to fire someone due to the crappy situation his roster is in, you shouldn’t replace him for someone who got fired because of the crappy situation his roster was in.

and all of your points about mitchell are well taken. i wouldn’t have fired him so soon, but to say that he’s an improvement doesn’t make too much sense to me. the fact that he’s younger than nellie and coached chris bosh, but hasn’t achieved the results desired with a fairly good roster (not great, i didn’t see that team contending for a title or anything) really doesn’t make me want to replace nelson with him.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 9, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

not to mention

the warriors have a better record than the wiz (much better at the time of jordan’s firing) without the advantages of having butler and jamison around.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 9, 2008 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I completely agree. Well its not exactly a small losing streak anymore but there is nobody available better than Don Nelson for us.

We could have DeMarcus Nelson coach and Don ball it up in the D league for a while.

by The Count of Monta Cristo on Dec 8, 2008 3:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I really don't know what the plan is anymore

if anyone does please tell me. If we are in rebuild mode, Nelson is not the coach to do it with. After his contract ends, he’s going to retire with a team left high and dry – built to his specifications. And Keith Smart has not proven anything yet. You say patience, but can you even see how we’re going to operate 3 years from now? What’s the gameplan?

by GoldenBlue on Dec 8, 2008 4:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

+1

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Truth

Jagz you know whats up and i respect that

LOST

by LOST17 on Dec 8, 2008 5:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

hahahahahaha

can’t even make points to back your support for this guy! haha weak!! Nelson is the worst coach for the team that we currently have now! It’s full of youngsters and rookies and everyone and their mama knows that Nelson hates all rookies and cannot properly develop them! I can see it now, in the next year or so we’re going to trade away our young guys who are projected to be very good players and they are going to excel in a new system. We’ll never have a rookie of the year, let alone a championship caliber team under Don Nelson! His time is up and I say fire him now!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who are we trading away?

in the next year or so we’re going to trade away our young guys who are projected to be very good players and they are going to excel in a new system.

You mean they’ll end up like PoB, who was also projected to excel in Boston by many on GSoM? Look how that’s working out. He still sucks. If we jettison Belinelli, he still won’t play defense. If we get rid of BWright or Randolph, we’ll get something in return. Stop whining and trying to find a single entity to blame for the Warriors’ current situation. If anything, blame the awful contracts handed out by Mullin to Dunleavy, Richardson, Murphy, and Foyle. That’s still having its effect. If you want to blame something else, blame Rowell for screwing up the plan. He’s the one who got rid of Baron which precipitated the Maggette thing, and I’m sure he had a hand in that and now the Crawford thing. We’re now going in two directions at once and neither direction very well. None of it is Nellie’s fault, unless he’s the mastermind behind the personnel decisions.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 8, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 8, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

did i say P.O.B?

no i didn’t say that, i think you’re just so blindly in love with Don Nelson that you can’t even read posts and comments correcty. first of all i didn’t even mention a name of who has been traded away by the GSW organization and if you have ben a fan of this team for a long time, you would know that we have a history of trading away players with star qualities and really getting nothing in return. here’s a couple of names for you since you want to drop some, Gilbert Arenas, Antwan Jamison, Larry Hughes (he ain’t that good but he’s good enough to be mentioned here), Chris Webber, Latrell Sprewell. that’s just a few, i’m sure there’s more but i can’t think of them all right now. what i don’ t get is why people like you are so in love with Don Nelson and want to give him all the credit for success and none of the blame for the bad stuff. He puts this team at a disadvantage almost every time we come out to compete for a game. He goes small almost all of the time and we get destroyed on the boards. Maggette is a weak defender and everyone knows it but he is used to having someone like Chris Kaman covering for him if he slips on defense. We have Biedrins but he’s already got his hands full with all sorts of other responsibilities (rebounding, defending the biggest guy on the court, staying out of the paint for too long). He does a terrific job and rarely makes mistakes so i’m not blaming him but if Nelson would fix the rotations and put in shot changers like Turiaf, Wright or Randolph (even Hendrix) then we would be much harder to score on. other teams score with ease when they play us. they dance around and get right into the lane (refer back to the spurs game). Sure the thin guys like Wright and Randolph are gonna get beat up downlow but they’ll still keep fighting and make up a lot of it with their length. You can blame Mullin about those awful contracts in the past but he corrected them and got us back on the right track. Not too long ago, the Warriors were one of the up and coming teams and they had one of the brightest futures, but they sunk and sunk bad with the departure of Baron, the injury to Monta, loss of key role players in barnes/pietrus, al harrington trade request and leaving Stephen Jackson all by himself to be the leader of this circus of a basketball team. Now the warriors are in a deep deep hole and it is Nellies fault. He is basically the mastermind after being given all of this power. He forgot that Mullin was the one that wanted him here, now Mullins right hand man is fired and he’s basically nowhere near the decision making process because of Rowell giving nelson all the control. Now Nelson’s man took the place of Chris Mullins guy and it’s complete chaos. things were going good and it was supposed to be a partnership between nelson and mullin and somehow mullin got left behind. if this continues, i would not be surprised to see mullin take off and become GM of the knicks organization. None of it’s Nellie’s fault huh? can you actually say that with a straight face? ridiculous

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

all of your examples

were guys who were good players here. it wasn’t leaving the warriors that made them into great players. name one guy who nellie ruined. please. i want to hear a single example of a warrior who was terrible, then got traded and became good. i can’t think of one.

and as for the rest of it, you sure did list a lot of reasons why this roster is awful. that’s not nelson’s doing. that’s management and ownership. and i wouldn’t say that many people here are saying that this team’s failing has nothing to do with nelson. he’s got to accept some responsibility too. but be real here, this roster and the whole situation with losing baron and monta over the summer is what screwed this year for us. that doesn’t all fall to nellie. if you want to blame nelson for everything, that’s your business. it just happens that your business is ridiculous.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

haha this guy

those examples are enough but if you wanna take a look at ex warriors who are doing good now, take a look at Harrington, Barnes, Pietrus and even Dunleavy. they’re all performing much better than they were under Nelson. I never said that he ruined anyones career but he did hold them back with his style of coaching. wow you really love Don Nelson! you must be his biggest fan huh?

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

once again

all those guys were good players here and continue to be good players elsewhere. we got better when we traded dunleavy and he got a bit better upon leaving, but that has more to do with him finding a team that would make him a primary offensive option. that doesn’t say great things about him, it says embarassing things about the scoring options on the pacers last year. and he wasn’t as bad here as people seem to think he was. he was a decent scorer who couldn’t do much else. he continues to do that. the rest of those guys seem to be the same players as they were, but in a different uniform. they haven’t seen huge improvements either.

and no, your previous examples weren’t enough, because those guys were young players who were good here and got better as they played. just like most players do. name a player who was legitimately BAD and then became good. then we can talk.

you’re right. i do have all sorts of respect for an excellent coach. i respect the fact that the garbage situation this team is in cannot be saved by a coach. a remark that you chose not to address because there is no valid reason to assume that this is all his fault. all you did with your previous post was list everything that was wrong with the team and then say, “see, that’s nelson’s fault!” with no real support for the claims. you are looking for a scapegoat, not worrying about what’s really wrong with the team.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't remember...

…many projecting big things for POB. I certainly did, and if he keeps crapping the bed, I’ll eat the crow on that one. But my opinion was certainly not the prevailing one.

by Zack Vank on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hahahahahaha

We’ll never have a rookie of the year, let alone a championship caliber team under Don Nelson!

You must be too young to remember a guy named Mitch Richmond.

by MAZarate21 on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i meant to say ANOTHER rookie of the year

my bad. wasn’t Chris Webber rookie of the year too?

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

IF we were winning...

We’d be seeing Happy posts! and still get trade Ideas on the trade machine!

by Tony.psd on Dec 8, 2008 6:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

of course

but we’re not winning! so we need to let it be known that there needs to be a shift in power and a big change in order for this team to be able to become contenders. they are a long way from getting back to their winning ways at the pace that this team is moving now but we need to see something different and soon! Start with Nelson’s departure!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Remember

In 07 it was Baron Davis who along with JR and Barnes who really got us into the playoffs. They played out of their minds. Until this happened Nelson was leading us to the same record as Montgomery before him.
I think Mullin is responsible for the trades and all the D-League players we sign. Even Nelson has said that, so credit goes to Mully. Several coaches would salivate over a squad with this kind of talent.

by taroconti on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

well said...and i been saying it all along

+1 billion

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Several coaches would salivate over a squad with this kind of talent.

Salivate over the talent we have now? You must be referring to the talent we had… which was sorely lacking down low. Sorry, several coaches would salivate over the talented backcourt, until they realized that Baron Davis would kill their team if they didn’t let him run roughshod over them and that Jason Richardson was paid twice as much as he should have been and was relegated to a jumpshooter since his knee injury. And nobody would have wanted our front court. Nobody.

And if you’re talking about this group of guys, the only coaches salivating over that talent would be college coaches.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 8, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jamal Crawford, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Monta Ellis are all 20+ players. Andris Biedrins up and coming center getting better game by game, and it was his stint with the Latvian National Team which has made him a better offensive player, not Nellie’s clean up the garbage role. Kelenna, Randolph, Wright, Turiaf, Watson, Morrow can all be solid contributors off the bench if we had a coach who knew how to run plays for them

by taroconti on Dec 8, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jamal Crawford, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Monta Ellis are all 20+ players.

Which goes to show why evaluating a player strictly by points per game leads to some really, really poor decisions. 20+ points on low efficiency shooting (like Maggs is currently and Crawford and Jax have been for their entire careers) doesn’t win games. It looks superficially good. It leads to high player salaries, but it doesn’t win games. It was a formula the Knicks tried for a few years to absolutely no success.

Kelenna, Randolph, Wright, Turiaf, Watson, Morrow can all be solid contributors off the bench if we had a coach who knew how to run plays for them

Azubuike and Turiaf are legit rotation players. They’d find a way to get some minutes on almost any team, but right now, neither are more than that. I doubt any coach looks at the Warriors and thinks “wow, what a great bench!” when he sees them. Watson is a competent backup from the D-league. Morrow may or may not stick. Wright hasn’t played much. Randolph is long on potential, light on results.

by jae on Dec 8, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

nailed it again, jae

the mention of the knicks killed me inside, but god, that’s what we’re doing. i don’t know what to do with myself.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

you’re a joke

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you're right

that knicks formula sure was a great way to assemble a team. what a silly thing for me to say.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think...

…we could honestly have a very good bench if they rotations were consistent. It’s not always the bench with the most talented players that performs the best. On the face of it, do the Celtics this year really have better players off the bench than us? Tony Allen, Glen Davis, Leon Powe, and Eddie House are the big Celtic bench guys, I believe. I would take a four man bench of Azubuike, Turiaf, Randolph and Wright were it a matchup of talent vs. talent. The difference is that Doc Rivers plays his bench, cliche as it sounds, in positions that increase their confidence, and he makes their roles consistent. As much fun as it is to throw out crazy lineups and see players try to get their Oscar Robertson on, not everybody can do everything anytime you ask them to.

by Zack Vank on Dec 10, 2008 2:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it also doesn’t hurt that the Celtics bench guys are usually playing with at least one legit all star player on the court drawing most of the attention.

by the evil monkey on Dec 10, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

This roster right now is mediocre at best with the potential to be better once Monta is healthy and when Wright and Randolph develop, but until then nobody is going to salivate over this roster, management, or franchise…

Its not as if the W’s have guys like Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh, who just need a different coach and some role players. This team needs time and development and possibly a trade, although I doubt that anybody wants what we’ve got at this point.

by Jagz8 on Dec 8, 2008 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

i don't know about salivate but they would definitely be excited with the opportunity

there is a lot of unshaped talent on this squad and endless possibilities for matchups. we have potent scorers but still lack a true set up man. this team is better than what their record suggests! they’re just poorly coached and lack cohesiveness because there is no real leader who can steer this team back into the win columnn! There are coaches who can do a better job than Nelson and specialize in working with young players. You just have to have more patience with younger players and let them play through their mistakes and help them along the way. Nelson has reached his boiling point and never really had the patience with rookies and younger, inexperienced players that’s why this is not a working situation. I knew coming into this season that we were in rebuilding mode, especially after Monta injured himself, and i hoped Nelson accepted that too and would work with this young roster for future development. we see them from time to time but still not consistently enough. i see good things along with mistakes from them but i think with more time and experience, and when they can find their niche with this team, they can become real problems for the opposition both on defense and offense!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I support Nellie

I also support Marco Belinelli. I believe I am in the minority, but I no longer Believe. I respect and like Nellie. He’s doing something wrong this year and it’s still early so I trust he will fix it. He’s got a really bad roster to work with, but the few bright spots, he’s not exploting…EHEM…Wright, Randolph (lately he has been), and yes, even Marco Belinelli (yeah, you guys can tell me to STFU about him, but until he’s gone, I won’t).

Hopeless Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Dec 8, 2008 9:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think you're in the solitority WRT Belinelli

I’d love to see him prove us all wrong, but he can’t play defense and has horrible shot selection.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 8, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I also support Marco Belinelli. I believe I am in the minority,

No believe about it, you are the minority of one.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 8, 2008 10:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I support Marco,

to be traded, hopefully he has enough buzz around him to package him with Maggete…

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Dec 8, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL @ Marco reponses

Hopeless Marco Belinelli supporter

by Doctor Kajita on Dec 8, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Believe?

Greatest coach of all time? How many championships does he have? don’t even think about throwing the old “he’s second in wins” i don’t care ask any professional athlete winning it all is what matters.

if your not first your last.

GET HIM OUTTA HERE!

by MopedSafetyPlease on Dec 8, 2008 11:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

terrific comment!

I agree 100 trillion billion percent! been saying it all along! finally people can see how bad of a coach that Don Nelson really is for this team! He already gave up hope, why should we still support him?

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What's with you?

Every time somebody bashes Nelson, you just blindly reply with a “Wow! Awesome comment! You’re totally right”

This team sucks, it’s poorly constructed, there’s little talent, its top scorer is injured, and they’ve got a host of second and third bananas trying to play first banana while simultaneously deferring to each other. Name me one coach who’d win with this lineup.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 8, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

you must really be blind!

Is Don Nelson’s gigantic figure obstructing your view on how to think, read or write? Alright, i get it, you’re in love with the guy. that’s cool, do what you do homie! I never said there was a coach who could bring this team into championship contention! that’s a complete fantasy and nothing more! it’s not gonna happen anytime soon! But that is what everyone in the league competes for and i’m hoping for a coach that can bring the best out of these players so that we could one day reach that point and Nelson is certainly not the one. This team does have quality players that can get a better win percentage now, if only they were utilized correctly. Yes it’s crazy right now but if Nelson learns to manage these guys better and create better plays, stress more defense and rebounding, then we would be sitting in a better position than 5-14 right now. whipe the eye boogars out of your eyes or put on your glasses or something. don’t let the emphatuation that you have for Don Nelson blind you any longer unless you like losing. you continue to praise this guy and what has he done for the warrior fan base lately? nothing! stop living in the past and look to get better now. Don Nelson has reached his limit, he’ll never be a champion as a coach! Face it!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Name me one coach who’d win with this lineup

Phil Jackson?

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 8, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

False...

Without a great ball-dominant offensive player Phil Jackson’s “triangle” wouldn’t work here.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 8, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

...

Maybe not – but I think he might be better than 5-15

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 8, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right

Phil might get these guys to 6-14. I think the thing everybody’s overlooking here is that NBA teams go through down streaks. That’s all this is (too early to say was?). Stop acting like the world is falling apart and it’s all Nellie’s fault. Sure, they’re bad but they’ve played a lot of road games and had a bunch of turmoil recently. It happens. It happens to bad teams, which the Warriors are. It’s not any single person’s fault.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 8, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly....

I concur

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

I’m not saying that Jackson would have many more wins that Nellie – just that he may have, thus far.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 9, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well my point was that even the venerable Phil Jackson

or Red Aurebach in his prime (does a coach have a “prime”?) would not be able to get this group of clowns past 0.400. Give it a rest. This team sucks, it has no talent, Nellie may or may not be using them correctly, and there are countless other things that all combine to cause the Warriors to have a crappy record right now. Blaming Nellie and calling for his head is like saying General Petraeus to get canned because the war isn’t going so well.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

not only is the team awful

but with all the turmoil going on with such a crappy team (roster turnover, injuries) giving them no real time to gel, it seems like a coaching change would just add to the confusion and make everything worse. this is a lost season, but we might as well have the best coach available already sitting on our bench next year when the very young team might have developed and actually have a chance to win.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe we should bring back PJ

So we could have the worst coach possible, try to win the lottery, and see if we can get Maggette and Jax to tag team him Spreewell style and we can get out of their contracts that 80% of GSoM seems to already hate.

Full Disclosure – I don’t hate either Jax or Maggette. I think they’re both getting the short end of the stick from the quick to judge fans who’re expecting waaaaaayyy too much out of them.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

good call on pj

it seems like the rationale for finding someone to replace nelson has become, “this guy just got fired! what about him?” pj definitely fits that description. while we’re at it, randy wittman just got the axe and he spent most games in minnesota looking like he was on the verge of tears, sounds like a winner on our quest for the #1 pick.

and i don’t hate either of those guys myself. they’ve not been playing well, that’s for sure, but it comes down to losing monta and baron and hoping that guys who love their own shot will try to become distributors. if we can get a legit player to handle ball handling and passing duties (monta perhaps?) things might get better. probably not substantially better this year, but maybe next year.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 9, 2008 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree...

…staunchy on that one. Jackson and Auerbach could coach this team to .500, I feel pretty sure on that one. At the very least, they’d be teaching our young players winning habits and would be making them want to play for us. Don Nelson is hindering these guy’s careers and likely poisoning our ability to resign guys.

by Zack Vank on Dec 10, 2008 2:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose we would've split with Memphis

And we might have snagged one or two others in there. Jackson or Auerbach could maybe get this ragtag group to 0.400, I’ll give you that. But 0.500 is far from realistic. Don Nelson is playing a very simple game right now: “What can I do to have the best shot of winning right now”. It may not be the best strategy at the moment, but that’s his job: Coach the team to wins. If you disagree on how much Wright should play (and I’m starting to come around on that one), that’s fine. But don’t for a second think that you know how to win basketball games better than the second winningest coach in the history of the NBA.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 7:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

living in LA, when the Lakers were barely making the playoffs – Jackson rarely played any youngsters. he was just like Nellie, riding vets, pulling Bynum or Vujacic for every other mistake. for example, ppl in LA used to rip Phil for his insistence on playing Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm ahead of Bynum. he plays WAY more mind games than Nellie – you could read the Shaq article written by that Sac Kings writer this year if you google it. anyway, once he got a team that could make the playoffs w/o worry, he’s gone to his bench more so the vets will be fresh come postseason.

auerbach, as he was, couldn’t survive in today’s NBA. the defensive systems are way more complicated than they were even in the 80s.
and he only ran 7 plays on offense, he just had the type of players that made running only 7 different plays effective. google about that if you wish as well.

by the evil monkey on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

also...

I was just naming one coach who’d have a chance of winning with this lineup. That was the question.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Dec 8, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

but no one would win with this lineup

every coach has a chance to win with this lineup. it is just a really slim chance.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

uhhhhh ok

you should just stop now buddy. save yourself now. hahaha

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you want to give a reason

that you disagree? maybe that there is a coach that could win? maybe name that coach? maybe give one reason that the team as assembled should be good? you won’t find one.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

why should i even bother with you

you’re just a follower and can’t actually make real points with evidence to back your statements. why should i try to prove anything to you, you’re just hopelessly in love with Nelson and it blinds you to the truth so anything i say, you’ll just automatically disagree. it’s no use so I’m just gonna read whatever you comment on and nitpick at it. take a break buddy, you might hurt your brain. hahaha

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

just out of curiousity

how many of your comments either begin or end with “hahahaha” and contain no real content? is it 100% or just close to it?

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hilarious

i can tell you’re mad. i have to laugh at you because of how dumb you are and how smart you think you are! it’s pure comedy to me. you’re post are all nothing but BS and no matter how many big words you try to put in them, they will never actually come across as valid arguments.
i’ll never see eye to eye with you and i wouldn’t expect you to see eye to eye with me so I’m just gonna have fun with it and piss you off. keep writing and keeping me entertained clown! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (*just to annoy you!) HAHAHA!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

why do you think i'm mad?

i haven’t come on here and spent all my time whining and spouting nonsense. that was you. i’m also not the one who doesn’t actually discuss topics with people who disagree and just calls them “blind” or “stupid” because they have a different opinion. that’s also you. everytime someone has remarked on something you have said, normally with valid reason, as much of what you have said is nonsense, you get pissy and call them names. most people come on this site because they enjoy talking basketball, warriors basketball in particular. i like coming here, i don’t come here when i’m mad. to assume that your comments are actually making me angry means that you must have a ridiculously inflated opinion of yourself. people like you come here all the time. those of us who enjoy this site don’t waste emotional energy getting pissed about it.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

first of all

it’s obvious that you’re mad. you’re responding to everything i’m typing and trying really hard to sound intellectual. secondly, other people agree with what i post so i’m not the only one who feels this way. you are just like nelson. it seems you’re stuck in your ways and don’t want to hear anything else at all. I’m not whining, i’m trying to create a buzz and see who else feels the same way i do and in the process, i’m trying to get people to realize how bad of a coach he really is but i can see that there are a few people just like yourself that refuse to accept the truth. That’s all well and good. I have my supporters and you have your supporters, but I’ll never take you seriously because even though the proof is in the text, right in front of you, your hardheadedness will not allow you to fully comprehend it with an open mind. I ain’t mad at no one, I just feel really strongly about firing Don Nelson. Since you’re making it personal, i’m gonna keep making you mad just for fun!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, i hate it when people respond to everything i write, it makes it obvious that they’re mad. it’s also obvious that someone is mad if they take the time to think about what they are saying instead of name calling.

it wasn’t me who made this personal, you’ve been personally attacking me everytime you’ve posted. even on comments i’ve made to other people. i haven’t said anything about you. i’ve been commenting on your posts. why come here just to be obnoxious (which is something you have more or less acknowledged in your last two comments)? if your goal was to come here to try to piss people off, find something better to do with your time.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

don't cry

you sound like Glen “big baby” Davis crying after Kevin Garnett told him what’s what! i’m not gonna sit here and point the finger on who made this personal because you came at me first, i responded and so on and so on.

“if you want to blame nelson for everything, that’s your business. it just happens that your business is ridiculous.”

remember that big baby? my business is ridiculous huh? well now my business is to piss you off big baby! a comments a comment but when you say my opinion is ridiculous, it makes it personal. so if personal is how you want it, then that’s how it’s gonna be! punk! you think you’re smart but you really aren’t. that’s why this is hilarious to me! you might seriously be the smartest dumb guy on this site.

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 9, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ohhhhh

so, i said that some ill-founded opinion of yours was ridiculous after giving you a bunch of reasons that it was ridiculous and you decided to start name calling. gotcha. sounds like you need some thicker skin. a bit of advice, if you don’t like it when someone calls you out for saying something with no real backing, then you should probably think out what you post before you post it.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 9, 2008 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't feed the troll

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you must really be retarded or something

you keep saying that i have no real backing. why don’t you go back and read what i wrote. I support all my thoughts with evidence. I don’t mind when people try to make a point but when you make a personal comment and expect me not to respond, well then you’re just plain stupid. i’ll name call you all i want because you’re an idiot! you’re hopeless! it’s completely pointless to argue with you. it’s like you’re braindead or something. you keep asking for examples and evidence and i put it there but for whatever reason, you just can’t comprehend. maybe your mom dropped you on your head one too many times when you were a baby. Do yourself a favor and stop representing the warriors because you don’t know anything that you’re talking about. Why don’t you just start an “I love Don Nelson” club? It seems like you care about him more than you care about the warriors winning. When i make a statement i drop facts and the fact that we’re a losing team right now is already more than enough proof to support my opinion. maybe you should re-read what i post before you claim something! you moron! haha! you’re so dumb and you don’t even know it! wow

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 9, 2008 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

name a coach

DHWF415. You’re tearing everyone else down and attacking everyone personally for defending Nelson. Your turn. Who do you want to see coach this team and why?

by Ormolov on Dec 9, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ok here you go

I think Sam Mitchell would be great for this squad. He’s not that old so he can relate to the youngsters better. that’s one of the things Nelson can’t do any longer. He’s too old and he can’t get on the same page with his younger players quite as much. He just doesn’t have the patience any more. He relies on veterans and trusts only them so with him leading the way, our rookies and youngsters will rarely see quality playing time. Sam Mitchell also played a big part in developing Bosh and we have two guys with the same bodily features as Bosh in Wright and Randolph. I’m not saying they are the same or ever will be the same. that’s another discussion and i know people feel differently about that because i have read the comments that are posted on my fanpost "Who would you rather keep? Wright or Randolph". so i’m not even going to go there. I think Mitchell would be more receptive and will work with the players more. He also had a very successful career in Toronto and i think he can do much of the same for this team.

I also feel Eddie Jordan would do a good job here because he is stern but he won’t chew you out the way Nelson would. although his record was 1-10 when he was fired from the wizards, i still put him in the category of like a Nate Mcmillan or a Byron Scott because he seems to have a strong grasp on his team. The wizards were injury ridden for 2 years in a row and last year they still managed to make it to the playoffs and compete. they still have a good team (even with a bad record) and i think it was a mistake to give up on Eddie Jordan. Wait til Arenas is at full strength and Haywood and Antonio Daniels come back. I think he had a lot of success there as head coach but it was unfortunate that he lost his key players to injury. everyone hates to see that.

those are my top 2 coaches on the market to replace Don Nelson if it were to happen. I say no to Avery, Flip and any other coach who is inexperienced. not saying flip is inexperienced but i don’t really like his coaching style. I’d even give Keith Smart the position because he is still young enough to relate to this young squad and help them excel. What about Jim Barnett hahahaha….that was a joke! that would be pretty funny. i know i’ll probably get a lot of criticism for saying this but i think Eric Snow could be the next in line to find a coaching job somewhere. He has a high basketball IQ and is young but old enough to get a shot at a coaching spot. Just a thought though! The warriors have a lot of bright spots but it will just take the right coach to bring it all together. Nelson is deeply frustrated and impatient now a days and it looks like he lost his will to win. it seems like i’m attacking people but really i’m just trying to make them realize what is going on and i find myself having to repeat myself a lot so i’ll just post my thoughts and i’ll leave people to their opinions as long as nobody comes at me personally like cap’n hack.

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 9, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

those are good ideas and a well-reasoned argument. you make a strong case for eddie jordan.

by Ormolov on Dec 9, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you that...

…I’d like to see Nelson gone, but I have to disagree with your replacements. Eddie Jordan’s constant downfall in Washington was the same as ours here; his teams never played a lick of defense. When Gilbert went down last season, they hunkered down, but you still wouldn’t call them an above average defensive squad.

There are also plenty of Raptors fans who could caution you about Sam Mitchell. He is a relatively young guy, but his basketball instincts appear to be old school in a way that I don’t think would help us. He also never seemed to grasp critical substitutions and player rotation, another present Nelson foible I don’t want to see again.

If inexperience is your worry, then it seems odd that you’d want Keith Smart, although I know little enough about him that I’d be open to it. He has been Nelson’s protege these past seasons, but so was Avery, and he turned out to be a very good, very well rounded coach, and a guy who could light a defensive fire as well. For that reason, I’d probably rather just take Avery.

Also… just say no! To Flip Saunders.

by Zack Vank on Dec 10, 2008 2:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe you should re-read what i post before you claim something!

I came in late, can you guys summarize this argument in 10 words or less?

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 9, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I got it...

Jackastic “fan” hates Don Nelson; attacks everyone who thinks otherwise.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't consider it an attack

i consider it informative for people who really can’t see what Nelson is doing. shouldn’t the 9 losses in a row and the terrible warriors record speak for itself? and yet people are still stuck in the past with what Nelson HAS done for us or should i say had a part in doing for us. No one likes to lose and Nelson hasn’t brought any winning to the warriors lately and now a days it’s all about “what have you done for me lately?” you’re just as good as your last win. this team should be progressing and winning more with the talent we have. I’ll leave all of you to your opinion and i’ll formulate my own. that’s fine by me. i only really went at cap’n hack because he came at me first. i just responded.

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 9, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Stop feeding the troll

He may not be a fan of another team, but all he’s doing is inciting all of you. Just, deep breath and “wooosssaaahhhhh”.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll leave all of you to your opinion and i’ll formulate my own. that’s fine by me. i only really went at cap’n hack because he came at me first. i just responded.

That’s a pretty good summary. Yeah we should be doing better but maybe the players are really not that good? Nelson is kinda a non factor if that’s the case, another coach might play differently but still lose.
Ya know you’ll get better responses to your opinions if you ignore the attacks and concentrate on your arguments? Don’t waste your energy on the negatives?

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 9, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

very true

I will admit that it is possible that our players are just bad but you already know where i personally stand with this topic. Nobody knows for sure but i would like to see for myself if we can get a better outcome if there were some coaching changes. Maybe change does not need to come in the form of firing Nelly. Maybe if he would adjust his style/ coaching methods and stop being so bullheaded the team could be in a much better position. I’m just a real passionate sports fan that can’t bear to see my teams lose and when i see someting wrong, i don’t hold back, i call it like i see it.. I’m sure we all can agree that we’d like to see the warriors in a much better position than 6-15. But right on though, Cap’n Hack just lit a fire from under me and i reacted.

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This team just isn’t that good. Jax had a ‘career year’ in many senses last year. He’s back to earth and on earth, he was much closer to an average player than to a team’s featured star. He may bring a bunch to the table, but his overall production has never been very high. If a guy brings ‘intangibles’ someone else needs to capitalize on those and produce with them.

Two of their three most productive players from last season are either residing in a new zip code or rehabbing from injury. Maggs was brought in to try to offset the loss of Baron’s production. It hasn’t worked out so far. Two more regular rotation guys have left as well. The replacements? Turiaf, a guy who is a competent backup, but nothing more and more minutes to Azubuike who hasn’t risen to the occasion. Crawford and Harrington may have been a push.

Basically, we’re short two guys from last year who probably accounted for 20 to 25 wins on their own. Without replacing them with something productive makes a high 40s win team into a mid 20swin team, which is pretty much our pace presently.

by jae on Dec 9, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe if he would adjust his style/ coaching methods and stop being so bullheaded the team could be in a much better position.

Haha, I’ve been saying the same thing since Nellie coached here the last time so you’ll probably still be saying it 20 years from now.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 9, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

WOW...

So in your opinion Don Nelson and Jerry Sloan are not some of the greatest basketball minds/ NBA Head Coaches of all time, because they haven’t won it all???

That is just plain stupid and here’s why:

- They both have been around forever, which means they have done something right to outlast Hundreds of other coaches.

- Nelson will be the leader in all-time wins when its said and done, and Sloan is the longest tenured coach in the NBA.

- Both have had to build teams from the ground up, then turned them into perennial winners.

-Both are responsible for the finding and development of numerous NBA star players.

-There is only one team that can win it every year and looking at the NBA and how Stern has constructed the league only 6-7 teams have actually won it all in the past 25 years, which means that unless you are a cash-cow, lottery ball winner, then it isn’t going to happen.

Stern markets teams and stars and unlike the NFL or MLB does not want parity or small market teams winning because it reduces the flow of cash. Granted the Spurs are the exception but look at their franchise history they rarely miss the playoffs and they have Duncan and Parker for Stern to shamelessly promote.

The point is Nelson and Sloan have always worked in smaller markets and may not be on the political side with Stern and the league, so thus they may not have had equal chances to win.

You’re logic and contempt for Nelson is flat out misinformed and wrong.

by Jagz8 on Dec 8, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

all i can do is shake my head at you

if you’re satisfied with just having Nelson become the NBA’s winningest coach, then fine! i’m hoping for bigger and better things for this franchise! The fans all deserve it. Don Nelson is a great coach but i’m sorry to say that he has gone as far as he can go! That’s a great accomplishment and all but I’m sure he and Jerry Sloan would trade it all for a couple of championships. Basketball is a team game, not about individual accolades! It’s ridiculous how some of you choose to live in the past and are happy with that. Bottom line is, we are losing right now and we have a roster that can do better than what their record shows! the losing streak can possibly reach 10 by the end of tonight and it will be against a sorry OKC Thunder team! Sam Mitchell and Eddie Jordan, both very resepectable coaches, were fired after poor starts and i don’t know why Nelson seems to be untouchable by the front office and by fans like you! it’s just ridiculous, can’t you see that this team is going nowhere with Nelson as our head coach! WAKE UP!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Then who do you suppose replace Nellie?

Please give me an answer!

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 8, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Look at it this way...

…I don’t necessarily agree that a long career indicates competence, but certainly, they’ve both been great coaches. If I had to wager, I’d say Nelson’s the better guy, Sloan’s the better coach. But suffice to say, the reasons Sloan hasn’t won a championship are vastly different than the reasons Nelson hasn’t. The fallacy of a lot of this “rings equals total success” stuff (oh my god, Robert Horry is totally an HOFer!) is that context counts. Charles Barkley, for example, never won a championship. He came close. Lost to Michael Jordan. Jerry Sloan came close a couple times, lost to Michael Jordan. Don Nelson has NEVER been close. He’s never been to the NBA Finals, despite coaching 166 playoff games (and winning at only a .452 clip).

He’s been to the dance 18 times (I think) and never sniffed the big prize. In all honesty, for a coach to go to the playoffs 18 times without ever making it to the finals is a very concerning trend. It seems to suggest exactly what everybody sort of knows; that in the big moments, offense loses. Nellieball loses. Fun loses. It breaks your heart whenever you realize the basketball writers and pundits have been proven right again, but it always seems to happen. Run n’ gun is a quick ticket to a playoff grave.

by Zack Vank on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you

Everyone acts like they know what Don Nelson’s gameplan is for every game. That’s why he goes with a different starting lineup nearly every game-every team is different and he’s all about matchups. I really think it’s the execution. His gameplan is probably genius, but it’s Maggette’s fault if he doesn’t block his man out that allows offensive rebound or Jackson’s fault for turning the ball over that we lose games.

I wish he would emphasize defense more, but that’s not his style. Mike D’antoni has the same run-n-gun no defense style and look at how successful he was with the Suns. That kind of system needs a star point guard. We lack that. We lack talent. We lack experience. We lack good management.

Don’t get me wrong. I blame Nelson-along with our management and players. It’s EVERYONE’S fault. It’s a TEAM sport. And I miss Baron.

by Captain Jack on Dec 8, 2008 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

This team does suck... Last year's team drastically overachieved as well!

When your best player is Stephen Jackson… there’s something wrong. I’m definately not knocking him, because he’s a great player. But he’s definately not the same as a Tim Duncan, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Lebron James… etc etc.

You really can’t bring in an entirely new cast of players and expect them to gel together and win game after game after game. Philadelphia is a perfect example. They were a playoff team last year (albeit in the East) that had a nice composition of talent. They brought in Elton Brand and all of a sudden their identity changed…. leaving them a sub .500 team. They’ve definately shown flashes of being a dominant team, but they’re still learning how to make Elton Brand the focal point of the offense.

Nellie is doing what he can with this team and although he’s not the greatest coach in the world, he’s the best coach for this team.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 8, 2008 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Im not saying I dislike Nelson

I always thought that he was a creative coach that knew how to get the most out of his team. Captain Jack, you hit the nail on the head. Run and Gun needs a STAR POINT GUARD AKA Baron Davis, Steve Nash, CP3, DWill, etc. We don’t have Baron Davis anymore, therefore, Nelson needs to stop sipping so much Whisky, see through the smoke of the cigars he’s puffing, and make some changes to his strategy. I know he is capable of playing to our teams strength, we really shouldn’t fire him in the end because he is a great coach, but if he continues to ignore the obvious and hurt the growth of our young players, something needs to change.

by Pearlsofwisdom on Dec 8, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

good point

maybe, just maybe, that’s all that needs to be done to secure his job. everyone knowswinning cures all! I still feel that he has reached his limit as a coach and maybe someone else who can relate to our young roster can help this team get back onto the winning side of NBA basketball!

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sports

More complicated than it looks. I don’t see everybody with an opinion on how to fix our failed economy. Yet everybody seems to have a genius solution as to how to fix our failed basketball team.

I, for one, trust Nelson over the masses.

by antihero on Dec 8, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

why do people think Nellie is a great coach?

What has he done for us since he’s been here? Last year, even in the midst of our winning, it was pretty clear that he was not the reason we won games. It was out clutch players. If Nellie would have developed more of a bench over the course of the season, we would have won 50+. He has stunted this team and it’s time for him to go. No other franchise would stand for his ridiculous in-game coaching. Stop the madness now.

Duke grad student missing the Bay but holding it down for the Dubs from afar.

by eastbayglory on Dec 8, 2008 3:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

So...

What you’re saying is if Nellie didn’t draw up a play for the ball to go into the clutch player’s hands at the end of games? So he didn’t put these clutch players in the game in the first place in order to put us in the position to win these games against superior teams (i.e. the Celtics, Lakers, etc etc). WOW. That’s strange. I could have sworn that Nellie did put this all into play for us to become the exciting team that we were last year. The West was just strong… to be where we were at was simply amazing to say the least.

Just imagine this… if Nellie would have “developed” more of a bench over the course of a season last year, then we would have been nowhere near the 48 win mark we got! Sure some players need to be nutured, but most good players emerge. They work hard in practice and in games and earn their minutes, instead of just being given minutes and expected to develop from there.

And for the “ridiculous” in-game coaching…. how do you suppose coaches…. coach? Do coachesjust prepare before games and then let the players figure things out for themselves afterwards? Think about that.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 8, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you should stop putting words in other people's mouths

i didn’t read about eastbayglory mentioning anything about plays. he didn’t mention anything about late game moments, i think when he said clutch, he was referring to our big time players not only in late game situations but just overall. there were situations where teams could have buried us even before the buzzer sounded but the mental toughness that our players had, kept us in the games. of course a coach is going to put his best players in at crunch time that is a given. you sound so sure that the outcome would have been worse if we would have developed a bench. have you ever heard of fatigue? all our key players played close to 40 minutes a night all the way to the end of the season. if we would have developed a bench earlier on, then we could have afforded to get guys some much needed rest and they would be able to perform better and they probably wouldn’t be so exhausted to make that final push at the end of the season. We were way too close not to make it into the playoffs last year. i really feel that we could have made it if our guys weren’t so worn out towards the end. Nelson only trusts a select few guys to perform and he will rarely give anyone a real chance to do something unless he is forced to like he was tonight with 2 of our starters out with injuries.

by DieHardWarriorFan415 on Dec 8, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he will rarely give anyone a real chance to do something unless he is forced to like he was tonight with 2 of our starters out with injuries

and even with a 20 point lead over a poor opponent he couldn’t figure out a way to get Williams and Kurz in for some real game coaching? I’m sure there will be some time they could contribute but they won’t be ready cause Nellie hasn’t prepared them.

Till I get free
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Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not that Nellie hasn't prepared him...

Williams said it himself that the offensive and defensive sets are a lot more intrigute than he thought it would be, hense the reason why he isn’t playing. At the end of the summer when we saw Monta go down, everyone had Marcus Williams penciled in as the starting PG because he was apparently the most talented PG of the bunch, with a pass first mentality.

Unfortunately, he couldn’t perform (by the way…. just like his days in New Jersey) and now he’s stuck to the end of the bench. Even in the minutes that Nelson gave to him, he’s looked confused and out of place on both ends of the court. That’s why it took him so long to get his first points in a Warrior uniform. Why give playing time to a person who doesn’t deserve it?

As for Kurz, he’s on and off as a hustle player… and as a pure hustle role player, you must always be on. That’s why Turiaf gets big minutes. Kurz has an outside chance every game to make a difference, getting spot minutes. He just doesn’t take advantage when it’s given to him. As for him not playing last night, the Warriors needed to win and Nellie put the best 8 players they had suited up to do it. It’s as simple as that.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the offensive and defensive sets are a lot more intrigute than he thought it would be, hense the reason why he isn’t playing.

Well they are not producing wins so maybe Nelson should simplify them? The coaches job is to get the best from every players talents and come up with something positive for them to contribute. I can’t believe Williams doesn’t have something to offer in some situations.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 9, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand that they are not producing wins...

But simplifying your plays does not guarentee a win in the NBA. These are professional players who are supposedly good enough to play at this level. “Dumbing” it down a bit would hinder any progression and may create a team that is simply a step behind the competiton.

As for Williams not having something to offer… he’s had minutes and has just not produced… cant say much more than that.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

according to most statistical analysis, what williams contributes is negative plays via misses and turnovers. and he does this at a much, much higher percentage rate than every other PG in the NBA including scrubs like Flip Murray, Marcus Banks, etc. since it is statistical, it doesn’t even account for his poor defense.

obviously, flaws exist within any statistical system. but it’s still never a good thing to produce negative #’s within one. once his notoriety as a 1st round pick wears out, will he even be in the NBA 7 yrs from now? can he even beat out the Bakersfield Jams PG, Mateen Cleaves?

by the evil monkey on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Have you heard of non relevant...

Fatigue is a major part of the game, but if you don’t have the talent behind you to keep up, then your best players will just have to stay on the floor. If we had developed a bench earlier on, they would have developed in practice and during garbage time when there were blow outs (and there were blow outs last year). Unfortunately, everyone (outside of Brandan Wright) didn’t perform up to par.

Plus we had a couple of key injuries, starting with Pietrus (who was an intrigal part of our team), Azubuike (who played hurt half the time, and sat out the other half), and Barnes (who wasn’t physically injured, but was out of it mentally). Those are three key reserves who didn’t play all 82 games… don’t you think they would have made a difference in the 34 games that we lost?

Their bench was basically developed, its just that the key bench players were out. If the end of the bench is playing like crap, why play them?

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And I never put words in other peoples mouth...

All I stated were facts. If you can’t handle them then that’s on you. You can’t have clutch performances without setting up a clutch play to be made. That’s all coaching. If Nellie put the ball in Jackson’s hand last season instead of Baron’s hand, would Baron made those’s clutch shots? No… because the ball wouldn’t be in his hands. That’s all I’m saying.

As for clutch players in general… we don’t have any right now. Jackson’s the closest thing. Our depleted roster is the reason why this team is not good, not because Nellie’s coaching is not good. I’m amazed that we’re still in games w/ superior competition such as the Cleveland game, the Boston game, and even the Miami game.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nelson-Baron

marriage was, for a while, perfect

no one else got out of Baron what Nellie did and doubtful anyone will; Baron made Nelson’s “system” and roster (Monta) work

the roster is FUBAR – unbalanced, injured, poorly constructed to either shoot for the playoffs or have a ‘rebuilding’ year

and we’re looking at a long term problem that isn’t getting “fixed” any time soon & we’re spiraling into the abyss as fans – let’s take a siesta, a shot, a hit, and hope when the smoke clears in the morning the sun rises

by hardcore on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

…with the OP, patience is a virtue. I wish Don Nelson would have more patience with Wright instead of running back to power forward Maggette like a drug addict.

by Zack Vank on Dec 8, 2008 10:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree too...

Let me keep that list going… Nelson has displayed tremendous patience…
1. Keeping Maggs at the PF spot like a drug addict.
2. Continuing to play 4 smalls and one big.
3. Letting players continue their amazing display of poor shot selection.
4. Limiting Turiaf’s minutes since despite his D, Turiaf doesn’t score on offense enough cause that’s what we obviously need more of.
5. Limiting Wright’s minutes and development just like he did with Biedrins (last year Biedrins only got 27 minutes per game, which is an insult to the effort he put forth carrying the team on his back cleaning up the glass in his limited minutes… I just wish Wright was from Latvia, so he could actually be developed by having actual plays run for him)
6. Making sure that when Wright’s putting in good minutes that he is then benched and/or chewed out while Jack and Maggs throw up ridiculously ill advised shots all game long.
7. Making any adjustments whatsoever no matter how poor the results.

by ihatenellie on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dumping losers like Murphy, Dunleavy, Diogu, Pietrus, and O’Bryant.

I’d take Pietrus @ 4yrs/22mil over Maggette @ 5yrs/50mil any day of the week.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Dec 9, 2008 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

+1!!!!!!

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maggette is an excellent player who's currently playing beneath himself because of a nagging hamstring injury

Pietrus is a stupid player playing above himself because he’s got Dwight Howard getting triple teamed leaving him literally wide open in the corner because opposing defenses want him taking the 3 instead of Rashard Lewis or Hedo Turkoglu. I’d like Pietrus back too, but he was definitely expendable and I’d rather have Turiaf at 4/17 than Pietrus at 4/22.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course I'd have Turiaf at 4/17 than than Pietrus at 4/22...

But for the roster we have I’d rather have Pietrus at 4/22 than Maggette at 5/50.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather have a healthy Maggette at 5/50 than a healthy Pietrus at 4/22

Now if you know some psychic mumbo jumbo that can tell you when Maggette is going to be injured, can you work on telling Mullin what draft position to be in to win the lottery?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No psychic mumbo jumbo....

But I did look at his history in terms of games played per year, and it hasn’t looked pretty. That’s one of the major reasons why I was so opposed to the Maggette signing when it happened. $50 mil is just too much for a player looking at an average of 68 games per year. That’s 14 games missed on average….

With Pietrus at 4/22… it gives us a hell of a lot more flexibility financially. Plus a Pietrus contract at 4/22 is a lot more tradable than a Maggette contract at 5/50… with both players healthy. Even you can’t deny that one.

As for draft position… being 9th in the West is looking really good to win the lottery. I can feel it.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 9, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll quote myself here

I’d rather have a healthy Maggette at 5/50 than a healthy Pietrus at 4/22

I’ll try to deny it by pointing out that Maggette, on his career, scores over 1.5 points per shot. This is offensive efficiency that will greatly help our team. Pietrus, while not as bad as many made him out to be, is simply not a very good basketball player. There are plenty of other guys I’d rather have that would have accepted less than his payscale (Kelenna for one,Quinton Ross would have been even cheaper, James Frigging Posey). Pietrus isn’t very good and there are plenty of players he could easily be replaced with that are cheaper. Maggette, on the other hand has consistently been one of the most efficient scorers in the league. His numbers are down a little right now, but he’s had a hamstring injury and he’s been defensively playing a 6’6" 225lb power forward. He certainly isn’t being used properly. I don’t know why everybody’s so quick to throw a guy under the bus when he’s hobbling around on two bad hamstrings (according to his ESPN update http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=497)

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Even with a healthy Maggette...

He seems to be a stat first scorer, looking to score to satisfy his own stats. I’m not denying his offensive efficiency, as he gets to the line A LOT and when placed in a position where he needs to produce, he usually does. Unfortunately, it does come at the sacrifice of his teammates. Sure Nellie is abusing Maggette as a 6’6" power forward, but Nellie’s done it to Pietrus, Jackson and Barnes and placed a 6’8 Harrington at the 5…. That’s just the way this team is made up.

I’m definately not saying he’s a chemistry destroyer… I’m just saying that his style of play has to be adjusted to rather than have his game adjust to his team. A majority of the teams he’s been on (from year to year) have not made it to the playoffs, with the exception of the year the Clippers made it and went past Denver in the first round, and he was injured for a significant chunk of that year with Quinton Ross starting in place of him.

Hey… we’re all entitled to our opinions. You value Maggette at 5/50 and I value Pietrus at 4/22. I’m not saying that Pietrus is a better overall player than Maggette (that’s obvious)… At those contracts, you basically get what you pay for in terms of talent, but Pietrus is a better defender and in my opinion a better rebounder.

As far as the composition of this team, I would rather have Pietrus on the bench and have Brandan Wright starting at PF with Jackson at SF, Crawford & Monta (Watson for the time being) at the guard spots and Biedrins at C. This team would have more cap space and financial flexibiility and in my opinion a much brighter future.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure Nellie is abusing Maggette as a 6’6" power forward, but Nellie’s done it to Pietrus, Jackson and Barnes

True, and when Pietrus, Jax, and Barnes were doing that GSoMers were calling for them to be traded because they fouled too much or played crappy defense (even though they were defending a position their bodies couldn’t handle).

A majority of the teams he’s been on are Clippers teams. That franchise has sucked before Maggette and it sucks now after he’s been gone, and it will suck until long after he’s retired.

I’m saying that Pietrus at 4/22 is a bad idea because there are plenty of other players who can be picked up for vet min (Ross, Barnes) or a similar contract (Kelenna) who are equally productive if not more productive. I’m also saying that Maggette is not as bad as he’s been. His career averages in terms of FG% and 3pt% are higher than they currently are, he’s playing on two bad hamstrings, and he’s playing out of position (leading to getting battered around and less effective on the other end of the court where he’s supposed to take advantage of the mismatch).

I’d rather have Monta, Jax, and Maggs at the guards with Turiaf and Biedrins at the bigs with Crawford, Buke, and Wright coming off the bench. That extra flexibility is useless unless you have something to do with it. Stop talking about financial flexibility unless you’re going to suggest ways to use it. Because if you don’t use it, Cohan’s saving a couple mil and you’ve just got Pietrus instead of Maggette. Can we at least agree that Pietrus is a worse player than Maggette?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well how about when rookie contracts are up....

Or when Monta’s/Bean’s deal are toward the end of their contracts at its peak. All of that factors in moving forward. Are you saying that you would rather have Maggette 2 years from now than resign Brandan Wright? Sure we have the bird rights…. but what has Cohen done to prove to me he would be willing to keep a young and bright talent when it brings them over the cap?

How about Randolph? In three years his rookie contract will be up and we SHOULD resign him… Unfortunately, Maggette will still be on the books for 2 MORE YEARS… and it will be over 10 mil+ per year. That’s all I’m saying. Flexibility doesn’t have to just go to Cohen… but it does weigh in heavily moving forward because you still have to put a team around Beans, Maggette, Monta and Jackson… all of whom are tied up for the next 4-5 years. Hopefully Cohen does dig into his pockets and pays a little luxury tax to keep this team together, but the likelyhood of that happening is slim… I hope I’m wrong

As for the Pietrus thing… I already said Pietrus is not as good as Maggette. We agree on that whole heartedly. HAHA… I was just making a point to their respective contracts and what I would prefer given their current price tags.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We have bird rights

And we’re talking about two players who’ve yet to show that they’ll deserve anything more than the MLE, if that. What about the project center we’re going to draft in the coming draft? We’re going to want to sign him to an extension too after we win the 2011 championship. Why’re we going to have $8M/year tied up in Randolph when we need to add $10M/year to the roster to resign Player X (the project Center that wins us the NBA championship)?

You’re talking about hypotheticals like they’re already reality. Stop.

Finally, Monta’s and Beans’ deals are longer than Maggettes. We can sign them to whatever extension we want.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm well aware that Beans & Monta's deals are longer than Maggette's...

I’m just pointing out that they’re all backloaded. Including Jackson’s deal, this team is basically set. No turning back. We’re stuck with Maggette… that’s a fact. Do I really care? No… as long as they win. F’ it… we’re stuck with this team for the next 4 years or so unless they make a big trade. All I’m saying is I would prefer to have Pietrus at 4 years/$22 mil…. where as you obviously prefer to have Maggette at 5 years/$50 mil.

Sure… “Cohan’s saving a couple mil and you’ve just got Pietrus instead of Maggette” but they could have used the $4.5 mil saved on the Maggette deal to upgrade the end of their bench… I’d like to see Quinton Ross and Mikael Pietrus instead of Corey Maggette and Rob Kurz… or whoever. It doesn’t matter.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So you're admiting that using Monta and Biedrins in your argument was a stupid thing to do

The NBA salary cap goes up every year. It’s not as much as the salary increases, but it certainly helps.

And what I’m saying is that if you had Pietrus at the 4, stepping out of bounds, missing the corner 3, complaining about PT, and all the other things he did last year, you’d be saying “Jeez, why didn’t we hire anybody else, why’d we keep this bum?!?!”. That, and there are better solutions to be had at the 4/22 range than Pietrus, like some of the players I’m not going to continually mention. I’d rather have Corey Maggette than Pietrus, and there are limited minutes to go around as it is. We don’t need another end of the bench guy. We need somebody who’s going to produce on the floor consistently. Pietrus cannot, and likely will not ever, provide that.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NBA Salary Cap

It does not go up every year. The new cap for the next season is determined at the end of the present season which equates to a percentage of income generated by the NBA as a whole. It’s not guarenteed to go up, especially by this year’s attendance standards (i.e. Atlanta).

“You’re talking about hypotheticals like they’re already reality. Stop.”

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Looking at past performance

Yes, I’m using investment-speak, it’s a fair assumption to say that the salary cap will go up in the future, especially when you’re looking 4 years out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

Projecting boom/bust player performance 4 years out isn’t so easy to bank on.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 11, 2008 6:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

but what has Cohen [sic] done to prove to me he would be willing to keep a young and bright talent when it brings them over the cap?

Cap? We’re over the cap and we’ve re-signed players. I think you mean the tax threshold, which is a very different thing. Cohan hasn’t gone over the threshold to keep a player, but the team hasn’t been good enough to merit that. Inking guys to deals that put you into the tax when you’re not winning is stupid. It makes it harder to start winning as it saddles you with the players you already have who haven’t won. It requires that magical “internal development” to make any changes.

How about Randolph? In three years his rookie contract will be up and we SHOULD resign him…

That’s an unknown. Randolph was a ‘potential’ pick. If he does not improve some aspects of his game considerably, aspects that many a player never really improves like shot selection, then we shouldn’t re-sign him.

Hopefully Cohen does dig into his pockets and pays a little luxury tax to keep this team together, but the likelyhood of that happening is slim

Keeping the team together if it’s in the condition it’s in now is foolish. Why would you want to keep a perennial loser together?

by jae on Dec 10, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My bad... I meant luxury tax cap. So sue me. Look...

Cohen didn’t keep the 2007 playoff team together to shed salary. Cohen had Rowell veto the Baron Davis move so we couldn’t even move forward with the 48 win team. So why do we have so much committed toward our new core four (plus Turiaf) who will essentially be together for the next four years? Talking about keeping perennial loser team together…. We’re all hoping for that magical “internal development” so we can become a winning team, because we’re salary committed to what we have.

My whole thing was I’d rather have Pietrus on this team at 4 years/ $22 mil than Maggette on this team for 5 years/$50 mil. Of course its a moot point because management chose Maggette. What would you have done Jae?

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Based on what I knew at the time, I’d have given it to Maggs. There were some real real serious issues with Pietrus. I don’t think he’d have returned for the same contract that Orlando offered him either, so that point is irrelevant as well. Maggs had, historically, been the more productive player and the problems with Pietrus were well known. I hated his ability to turn the ball over, his worse than Maggs tunnel vision combined with a lack of an ability to draw fouls it seemed. I also thought his defensive ability was mostly negated by his tendency to commit a stupid foul to let a team back in it. I just couldn’t stand him.

But that’s hindsight.

The financial management of this team is terrible. They took a situation that was reasonably under control. The contract for Maggs was for a bit too long. I don’t think we could have inked him for less initial salary, but perhaps a couple fewer years, which still would have left him time to ‘go to a winner’ when the deal here was up. The extension to Jax was moronic, given what he’d done for most of his career and where our money was locked in already. Trading for Crawford and an extra year beyond where Harrington would have been off the books also didn’t make sense given where we had money committed. If any of those guys were better than the midling players that they are, it might have made sense, but they’ve once again tied up much money in several ‘ok’ players, a formula that has never worked. Undo any two of those and things aren’t so bad; there’s at least a couple of tools to try to improve. Not much, but something. Now, there’s the draft and prayer.

[For what it’s worth, it’s Cohan, not Cohen. Getting his name wrong unfairly slanders innocent Cohens who aren’t responsible for the mess Chris Cohan has made.]

by jae on Dec 10, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Haha... Well I apologize to any Cohen...

Although I knew it was Cohan. I was at work and typing faster than I was thinking.

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just Saying

I hate Nelson and I wish he was gone isn’t a helpful or interesting comment.

Unless it is funny or includes a picture of Jessica Alba.

by Ormolov on Dec 9, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

In that case... I'm just sayin...

read the screen name

by ihatenellie on Dec 9, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I cant even believe this is a major topic.

The problem with the direction of this franchise is that we have put all of our eggs in one basket (pardon the lame expression). We have put all of our vlue in players thatmay develop<but are a major risk. As for our decision to sign free agents to long term contracts, that is our main problem going into the future. We are totally strapped, flexibility wise. I’d rather have a team where we can keep Ellis, Beans, Wright, Randolph, etc. , and have some saavy veterans in jack(we didn’t need to give him an extension until after next year) &… whoops. Capn; Jack is our only saavy veteran… Well have some saavy veterans with the youngsters, and flexibility in trades, I believe this is a problem with management< which none of us know how involved Nellie is in those matters anyway. this is all over-reaction. smoke a bowl, & jerk off or whatever. I’m not losing sleep over, having the best coach we’ve had since…well, Nellie, & our real problem is that we don’t have our best player< & most of the nucleus of our team the last couple of years, is gone. It will take time for this team to even know what it has< let alone figure out how to win.
peace

by mr5900ar on Dec 9, 2008 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

well put

we talkin ‘bout DON NELSON. Not Wittman, not Jordan, not Carlesimo, not Mitchell (all fine coaches, I’m sure) but Don is in another league. Imagine Phil Jackson leaving the Lakers to join the Thunder, and trying to run the triangle through Westbrook, Green, and Durant. After a 5-15 start, would OKC fans be clamoring to fire Phil Jackson and bring back Scotty Brooks?

by antihero on Dec 9, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

whoops, sorry about the typos& italics

by mr5900ar on Dec 9, 2008 4:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Don is the man and I'm ridin' with him until his time is up!!!

There aren’t any other guys I’d want at the helm right now. To quote Ben, the season ticket holder who sits in front of me (Beer in hand) “TALK TO EM’ DON!!!”

by Hayward's Finest on Dec 9, 2008 6:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Is DHWF415...

the same person as Itsdatfriscoswag415? If he is, that’s pretty sad. Pretending someone else is backing up what he’s saying. If not, that’s just as sad since they make the same types of comments and resorts to name calling. That’s pretty va-j-j.

by turbulence24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I have half a mind to sign up as "turbulence23" and start backing you up!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How about...

I call myself Die Hard Dubs fan in Boston? =)

by turbulence24 on Dec 9, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Only if you back me up

If you’re gonna be a heckler I’ll have to stomp you

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 7:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

there's actually one comment

that they both made that is completely identical. the one about how eddie jordan and sam mitchell would be great. dhwf415 added some stuff at the end, but the first bit is the same, word for word. so either there’s some serious plagarism going on or they’re the same person.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 9, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you get an applause

you’re so smart cap’n hack! you deserve a doggy treat. you put 2 and 2 together. YAY!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

i always appreciate a kind word.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup i own both names..so what?

I created another one because my fan post needed one more REC to be put up and i wanted it up there as soon as possible. You retards finally realized it huh? Wow! took you long enough. Whatever, I really don’t care what you morons think anyways. You know what’s sad? It’s sad how you don’t want to see the truth and you continue to support a loser like Nelson even if the proof is right in front of you. Now that’s sad. This losing streak should be proof enough but you guys are too stupid to understand. I guess losers like to support other losers just like the three of yall are supporting each other. Nelly ain’t gonna do squat for this team!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sweet

You don’t even have to other people comment anymore!! You can just have a whole conversation by yourself. Ex: Cool Guy #1Don’t you guys think Nelson sucks? Cool Guy #2 Yeah man, I agree with everything you say!! You are so awesome. Cool Guy #1 Wow, I am so stoked someone feels the way I do, you are awesome too! (Hugs himself for his awesomeness).

by turbulence24 on Dec 9, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Aww man!! You are so dead on!! I agree 100% with what you are saying. I feel ya dogg. You are dope!!!

by turbulence24.5 on Dec 9, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

you’re a fool blood…you actually created another one to mock me? whatever man..pretty funny discussion u had with yourself though

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

thanks! =)

by turbulence24 on Dec 9, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you know what they say...

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

by turbulence24 on Dec 9, 2008 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The difference is that his was a deliberate attempt to be funny

Mocking funny, of you. We’re all laughing with him.

In your c ase, you’re actions are just sad funny. Still funny, but we’re laughing at you. Sorry buddy, grow up. You seriously signed up for another account so your posts could get rec’d enough? Really? If the mods would agree not to delete my post immediately, I’d sign up for 7 accounts and make a post about how lame signing up for extra accounts to get a rec’d post is. Maybe I’ll test them at lunchtime or whatever.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

uhhh i realize that

but like i said. i really don’t care. you sound like a straight up square. grow up and do something with yourself. you’re too old to be a toys ‘R’ us kid! geek! haha

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the advice

Kettle.

PS. Yes, I realize that you A) might not get the joke, and B) will think I’m even more of a square because I made it. I’m OK with either.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What happened to stop feeding the troll?

HAHA. Come on Dubs… you’re better than that. Should I make a W’s fan in Boston screen name to back you up?

by Mr. Monday Night on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

I kinda got caught up in the whole “making fun of the guy who thought it was a good idea to create a new account so he could recommend his own thread and get it into the top 5” or whatever. I don’t think he’s trolling here. But you’re still right.

PS. I already signed up for that account. I plan on making an entire thread of myself and my other screen names talking about how awesome we all are.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs