If we decided to trade Maggette...
by ikiru36 on Dec 9, 2008 8:53 AM PST
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who would be a viable alternative?
It is my understanding that Corey Maggette has been (by league rule) untradeable until December 15th. Given his terrible last game (and now re-occurance of his hamstring injury), now may not be the time to trade him but let's just say that he strings together a few good games to remind other teams of his potential value (which, in the right situation is actually somewhat considerable.)
Corey Maggette, assuming that he is no worse than the player he's been the past 3+ seasons, is one of the best players in the league at getting to the foul line and cashing in. He brings some other solid talents as well (his yearly Hollinger PER close to 20 as "proof"), but playing him at the 4 in an intentionally fast-paced offense seems to emphasize some of his worst tendencies (lackadaisical transition defense and forcing shots early in the shot clock when given a green light to do so). Although my instinct is that he is who he is, it is possible that he will grow over time into the role that Don Nelson seems to want to force him into. But... let's say that what we're currently seeing from him is what we're going to get. Should we trade him soon and, if so, who might we reasonably trade him for?
Two thoughts, though I fear that the length of Maggette's contract would make these non-starters without others thrown in, are Gerald Wallace or Josh Howard. In both cases I have read elsewhere of their being shopped and re:Dallas, I've read that the Mavs are/were specifically interested in Maggette.
So... would you trade Maggette straight up for one of these guys? I know it's fun right now to bash Maggette, but he is a 20+ scorer, (among the) best in the league at getting fouled, and a beast of a mismatch at the 2 if he can hit the 3 at a decent percentage (38% last season, only 18% for us this season). Keep in mind, he's also been less than 100% for all but a few games thusfar this season, bringing up two points: 1) healthy, he may be a better fit for the Dubs than he's shown thusfar; and 2) he's always been injury prone, perennially playing only 65-75 games/season.
If we traded Maggette, do Wallace or Howard provide what we need in return as they are both somewhat similarly sized to Maggette (minus the guns) and neither is a great 3 point shooter either. They're both probably better rebounders and defenders though (Wallace in particular, but then again, he's injury prone too). Or do we go in a different direction and trade him for a young 4 who can shoot the 3 (Bargnani or Yi plus players and picks) to match Nellie's preferred style of play?
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please trade him now!!
Throw in Stephen Jackson while youre at it
so what you want about jack, but last night no maggette and look at result. Yes milkwaukee isnt good but they have a fair amount of talent, not much less than the warriors, redd, jefferson r all star players and bogut is a very good center.
jack for all his deficiencies, poor shooting and all, attempted to make the extra pass, gets way more involved on defense and does so many little things. He doesnt have the offensive talent maggette has, but he’s such a better team player. And the way we leads the team is crucial, considering how young the warriors are. We did probably over pay jackson but he holds the team together.
i guess my biggest frustration w/ maggette is his potential. He has the skillset, athletism to be in that elite group of shooting guard/swing men. But he lacks the intangibles and desire on defense. Or maybe he just needs to play under the right coach to harness it
if we’re going to trade maggette he’s going to have to go to a playoff contender in need of a swing player OR perhaps a team like minnesota or oklahoma city down in the dumps, who need something to excite fans. Personally i just want to move him for cap flexibility or a top prospect. I am anti-josh howard, gerald wallace or otherplayers who may be a slight upgrade but at position we r already crowded.
I’m going to highlight 4 teams i think could be potential trade targets….
First OKC
-I dont see oklahoma city wanting maggette as they are trying to go young. They could be involved in a 3team trade dealing wilcox or earl watson (both players who could help the warriors). Perhaps with there increasingly bad record they would reconsider. They have cap room. Mags would add another scorer to a team that just has kevin durant.
-Minnesota… another team thats in a downward spiral, just fired there coach and mchale is feeling some pressure. They have a young high potential front court (love-jefferson) . However they dont have much trade bait. perhaps ryan gomes as an undersized 4, but hes at best an energy bench guy. I’d want randy fgoye or sebastian telfair as both r massive pg upgrades. None of these excite me except they have shorter and smaller contracts…. Minnesota would most likely need a 3way
-Toranto… perhaps the most likely destination. They have bosh-oneal frontcourt. And calderon at pg… but no swing players! A player like maggette could push them from 6-8th seed in east to 3rd-4th in the group behind cleveland/boston. I like bargnani’s game and know nelli does too as he’s basically a poorman’s dirk. The problem is they spent a #1 overall on him. I think we’d have to throw in bwright (which i’d be fine w/) and we’d get a player like anthony parker w/ mags (to match up salaries and hes free agent at end of season). I like this trade potential the most. We get an upgrade at pf. Who is YOUNG (only 23) and a system fit. His contract isnt big either giving us flexibility in offseason. Personally im not sold on Bwright either, i think he’s good, but isnt going to be special and perhaps his name is better than his ability.
-the other eastern conference team who could use mags to push them up a level is orlando. They have dwight howard… and then players like rashard lewis and hedo. Throw maggette into lineup w/ jameer nelson at point, thats a strong team in east w/ potential. The problem is orlando has nothing to trade the warriors. They did also just spend on peitrus, howver most people would agree maggette, hedo at the swing positions w/ peitrus as sub for both is much stronger than courtney lee. To go to orlando we’d most likely just get some dumpable contracts. Again not a bad idea…
if we unload maggette and crawford opts out we could most certainly make a run at boozer. leaving us w/ potential of….. pg (in draft)-monta-jack-boozer-biedrins.
K i need to get off the nba trade machine and get back to work, but my point is we need to shop mags, even if we get less value in next 2 offseasons theres too many good free agents to not attempt a run
I like bargnani’s game and know nelli does too as he’s basically a poorman’s dirk.
Bargnani isn’t even the homeless man’s Dirk. Bargnani doesn’t rebound the ball well enough to play the 4 and doesn’t move on the perimeter well enough to really excite at the 3 nor possess the ball handling or distribution skills to be an upgrade over (gasp) Maggette. Like Dirk shoots the long ball real well, but that’s pretty much it. The other things Dirk does well, Bargnani is not just not as good at, but he’s outright terrible at. They are both tall, white, born in Europe. Similarities start getting much less common when you move to what they do on the court. No, I am not exaggerating. I do not believe there was a less effective player who received regular PT last year than Bargnani. PFs who don’t rebound aren’t worth dirt. It’s not an accident that he’s had terrible +/-. His play directly produces terrible results.
If he’s the poor man’s Dirk, we’ll be poor, dirt poor, as long as we have him playing for us. Wright in a deal for Bargnani would be terrible. They’d be getting the better player.
by jae on Dec 9, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wrights overrated.
bargnani can rebound and will improve. He is a VERY good shot blocker…. he’s been played alot at 3 this year which isnt the right position for him. Dirk also was a mediocre rebounder his first few years. you’re right its a little far fetched to compare him , but considering he has 2 years at 5 mil, its a worthwhile gamble….
mags contract increases yearly, and will only tie our hands behind our backs
Wright needed the maturity of...
more college ball. We are watching his Junior year in college.
by streetballer on Dec 9, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
i see more out of randolph though, despite all his boneheadrookie mistakes he plays so much harder and really tries. wright, just looks lost
wrights overrated
OK, I’ll bite: by who?
wright, just looks lost
Well, he may look lost, but his shots somehow find their way through hoop 61% of the time (or 74% from the stripe). And his nose or spider sense or something seems to find the ball quite often (8.1 boards, 2.5 blocks, 1.0 steals per 36). And his hands must be magnetized ’cos he turns it over like … almost never: 1.0 times per 36 minutes.
By PER, he’s currently the 4th ranked small forward in the NBA trailing only LeBron, Caron, and AK-47. (Why ESPN considers him a small forward is another question…)
Would that all our players were so lost. I mean, imagine how good BW would be if he weren’t lost? Somebody get this kid a map!
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 9, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
+100
He was on pace for a career night in OKC until Nellie pulled the plug! And I think he should have got mins. last night at the 3! He would be a great small forward in the Price mold. You guys need to start WATCHING games, he has been one of our top 2 or 3 players all year. Now Josh Howard for Maggs. take that before Cuban sobers up…
+10000
He was superb last night against OKC, Nellie should have kept him in. Trading BWright for ABargnani would be a HUGE mistake. He is one of our most consistent scorers and has the total package. He needs to play more.
by Ali luvs monta on Dec 9, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I think Nellie put him in the doghouse.
Remember he got pulled right after Westbrook snuck in for that offensive tip. Nellie probably felt Wright blew that play and sent him to the bench for the rest of the night to send a message. Hopefully Wright gets the message and goes beast mode tonight vs. Milwaukee!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
yeah he did
but hopefully he meets our expectations. I think Wright will be a fantastic player.
by Ali luvs monta on Dec 15, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
wrights lost...
hes given a chance for a stretch of minutes yesterday and scores 15pts and adds 7 rebounds. all in 22 minutes. indeed, lost
Bargnani’s rebounding is TERRIBLE, abysmal. You pretty much shot your credibility by telling me that he can rebound. Wanna know how many big men (C and PF, min 100 minutes played) had poorer rebounds/min last year? Three. Yes, all but three guys tall enough to play PF or C were more pathetic than Bargnani.
OK, so maybe he’s a SF. He played a whole bunch of PF/C for the Raptors last year, and that generally helps someone’s average, but let’s just give him the benefit of the doubt. He wasn’t even in the top half of the SFs in rebounding. More than half the SFs were better rebounders than him, even though he got more of an opportunity to play inside, even though he’s taller than 99% of the guys at that position.
So forgive me if I call BS on a statement like “barnani can rebound” because by any reasonable NBA standard, he cannot.
He may improve, but he has so far to go that he can improve and still be garbage. If SF isn’t the right position for him, what is? He does not convert efficiently enough to play inside or rebound close to well enough to play inside. The guy is garbage.
by jae on Dec 9, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
haha, fair enough… but i really think wright is overrated. he has a smooth offensive game but he’ll never be an upper tear power forward. and thats what u expect at that pick and what we gave up for him.
I’d rather trade him +mags. Maybe bargnani isnt the guy…. i was simply messing around w/ trade machine. wright at BEST is boris diaw. Nothing wrong w/ that, but i think ur all deluded in thinking he can be in gasol, odom or elton brands league… much less amare or duncan
basically we need a thicker rebounding pf. The way i see it biedrins and wright r too similar, both good help defenders, long good hands, weak. I like biedrins more simply cause he’s 1 year older and look at his developement. And i think its ALOT harder to find a compitant center than a compitant pf…..Someone hwo can rebound, DEFEND, and post up… Think a much better ronnie turiaf. A Karl MAlone type. Wright will never be that.
So either wright or biedrins need to go because i dont think theyll ever be able to play together. The reason i say move wright is because i think he attracts much more value. Him + maggette could get us something.
A dream would be to draft blake griffin or sign boozer. (IVe given up on amare cause that wont happen… even boozer is ridiculously slim)
“A Karl MAlone type. Wright will never be that.”
If the benchmark for a PF is a “Karl Malone type” the list of available options is pretty damn close to zero.
by jae on Dec 9, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
i should elaborate… i think my post below does but we need a power plyer who can post up to compliment andris biedrins who is a finesse player. bwright is a finesse player. really 1 of the 2 need to go for us to be better as a team.
i think andris is more valuable because centers r HARD to find. only reason i suggest trading wright is i think he carries alot of value and in trms of our young players i like monta, randolph, AB more
Lots of people compliment Andris. He’s playing pretty well, maybe not as well as he started the season, but he still deserves compliments.
A year ago, Wright definitely did not complement Andris. Both were very productive on their own, but the stretches with both of them ended with terrible results. I haven’t run the analysis on their paired floor time this year, but what I’ve seen makes it look like it’s less of a problem.
A solid, post scoring PF would be great, but everyone wants one. We could trade Wright for a pale imitation of one of those, someone who looks like he should be the model of the PF, a guy maybe 6-9 with a solid, chiseled physique, but chances are we’d get burned on someone who looked the part but didn’t play the part, like say, Al Harrington. Getting one who actually had a power game is much, much harder. They’re rare and as such very valuable. Wright has his faults, and Wright and Biedrins together presents some problems, but the idea of a replacement is more appealing than the sort of returns we’re likely to get dealing for one.
by jae on Dec 9, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’d argue that Wright looks pretty good thus far for where he was picked at #8 overall.
After the top 3, the draft is much more of a crap shoot than it already is. I think a lot of what Brandan does doesn’t go into the stat sheets. How many deflections did he get vs. the Sonics? How many shots does he alter (yet alone block)? How many rebounds does he get his extended hands on (or tip)?
He’s much more valuable than people think, just look at his per minute numbers or his PER and plus/minus numbers. Amongst the tops on the team. So no, he’s not overrated and shouldn’t be traded “just to get rid of Maggette”.
Besides we ONLY traded him for Jason something something…so no big deal.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Karl Malone
Could never really “DEFEND” that well. Wright’s already a more active defender than he ever was. And he wasn’t really a world-class rebounder either: 9.8 rebounds/36 career, only slightly better than Wright’s 8.9, nowhere near Biedrins’ 11.9. If he had been elite at either of these things, I suspect he would have at least one ring to show for it, given that he played his whole career with one of four or five greatest point guards of all time.
As with many of the anti-AB and anti-BW rants in here, I guess I wonder how much of your issue with Wright is aesthetic: if he were the exact same player, but with the Mailman’s sexy ripped bod, would you love him more?
Obviously, Malone was a demon as a low post scorer, but that’s a skill that’s highly visible and highly celebrated — and therefore highly valued in the market (both free-agent and trade). I’m not sure why you think we can get anything close to a Malone (or an Amare, or a Boozer) for Maggs + Wright. We could probably get a sad, warmed-over Malone imitation — a “thick” one-dimensional scorer who doesn’t help your team like Z-Bo or Danny Fortson or Eddy Curry. But why would you want that when you can and do have an undervalued, cheap, productive, still-improving 20 year-old who helps your team win games?
OBAMA AMABO
I’ve said it before, the best thing that Wright could do for his career right now is get a nasty scar across his face that left him with a permanent scowl.
by jae on Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
and
a point gaurd like Stockton or Nash to run pick and rolls with him..Id settle for just a point gaurd that passed
wrong, malone was a very good rebounder. He ended his career w/ an avg of over 10 boards a game and for almost a decade was closer to 11-12 a game. The end of his career it tailed off but thats to be expected, he played too late into his career….He was consistantly in top 10 in league rebounding. If you’ll notice, nellies biggest complaint is bwright doesnt rebound.
2nd it has NOTHING to do w/ his physique… personally my favorite warrior forward is anthon randolph and will be better than all the current warriors if he coninues ot progress way he’s showing potential. But it has to do w/ his game… biedrins is finesse, bwright is finesse, they dont really play well together…
3rd a player like malone…his game completely compliments biedrins in that he can post up and is a physical presence on the blocks WHILE being able to run with them. Obviously what im asking for is few and far between…. amare and boozer are best example today. you’re right no one would take them now. But if we could ditch mags and bwright for running out contracts to put us in position to sign boozer?
To be honest im just crossing my fingers we win lottery and get blake griffin. He is a future 20-10 pf in that mold with the ability to be in that amare, boozer league of pf.
lastly i like bwright, i just tink hes a bit overrated and if my opinion, i see monta, randolph, biedrins as future… and see bwright as expendable. or atleast a player w/ more value to help bring a valuable peice
Fair enough
No question Malone was a good rebounder — just not the elite level I think people give him credit for. And he was a mediocre defender, and somewhat soft when it counted (though in fairness, that’s relative to MJ, who made a lot of great players look soft).
I’ll take you at your word on the stuff about his physique. Sorry if I misread you.
On the “not a good fit with Biedrins” argument: I’ve heard it a TON of times on this site, but I’ve still really never seen anything to back it up. First of all, even if they’re both playing 30-35 minutes a night, they may only be playing together for 12-22 minutes of that. Secondly, while it kinda makes intuitive sense that it’s better to have one “true” post guy and one garbage-cleaner type, I’m not sure why it couldn’t also be cool to have two garbage-cleaners, provided your 1-2-3 can score and create a bit and stretch defenses. One example: the 1995-96 Bulls, who went 72-10 and won it all, started Rodman and Longley/Wennington at 4-5, Obviously, MJ cures a lot of evils, but I’m just not convinced there’s any inherent structural flaw with a team where neither your 4 nor your 5 have a post game to speak of.
OBAMA AMABO
I ran the analysis from the limited time last year and the ‘not good fit with Andris’ was true. Andris was very positive in +/- for the year, but very, very negative in the short stints where Wright was also on the floor. It was a small sample size for certain, but it was nonetheless true. I didn’t check for statistical significance, but wouldn’t be surprised if the result was real. Wright similarly was far, far, more negative when paired with AB than in lineups without him. Their games didn’t appear to complement each other in theory and in actual games, that appeared true.
I do not know if this is still true. Both players look a bit more comfortable away from the basket this year and seem to move differently with and without the ball than they did a year ago, so it’s perhaps no longer true. I haven’t retooled my DB for this year’s play by play format and rosters yet, but I’ll let you know when I do what the pair look like.
by jae on Dec 9, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting.
My instinct is to call “SSS,” as Wright has played so seldom in general, and often with the second unit, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some realness in those numbers.
FWIW (not much, I think, with only 20 games logged), here is a matrix of the plus-minus numbers of various Warrior pairs for 08/09 thus far. Highlights:
Biedrins & Wright: -6
Best Warrior tandems:
Randolph & Turiaf +24
Randolph & Wright +22
Morrow & Watson +17
Morrow & Crawford +17
Morrow & Turiaf +16
Worst Warrior tandems:
Maggette & Crawford -15
Crawford & Biedrins -21
Crawford & Azubuike -29
Harrington & Wright -31
Turiaf & Nelson -50
The plusminus (and fan) verdict so far: Anthony Randolph and Anthony Morrow rock!!!!
The big question: why do DeMarcus Nelson and Ronny Turiaf hate each other so??? ;-D
OBAMA AMABO
First of all we don't have a 1, 2, or 3 that can score over 20 every night
and that Bulls team actually played defense. Since defense isn’t on the menu right now, we’re going to need a 4 or even 5 that can fill in the scoring. You’re right that there is no structural flaw, but we don’t have a high-percentage game to lean on when our shots aren’t falling. Then, we hit shooting slumps, can’t stay with the other team, and have to fight back in the 4th quarter. That leaves us, judging how we do in 4th quarters, about a 35-45% chance of coming back and winning it depending on the team we play. Going back to the Bulls, they played freezing point defense when they’re shots weren’t falling – something we cannot dream to do.
wow for a second I skimmed over that comment and I thought jae was the one saying Bargnani is a poor man’s Dirk. How silly of me.
Haha
You should know better.
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by olympicmike on Dec 10, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Warriors: the poor man's basketball team
Any time I hear anyone described as a ‘poor man’s…’ I cringe. It almost always means ’he’s garbage, but has some superficial similarities that will make someone take a foolish chance on him.’ There might be some exceptions, but generally, players who don’t have their own merits to stand on, who require the ‘not as good as’ similarities to justify their ‘talent’ aren’t wroth a damn. If you’re aiming for the poor man’s version, it means you’re a poor team (and will probably stay that way with a collection of poor man’s players).
hahaha ok ok, sorry i like bargnani’s game and think he has alot of potential… apparently im in the minority… but eitherway i want mags out. he just screams warriors 1994-2006
by Warriors510 on Dec 10, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I've never been in love with Wright but
Bargnani is beyond awful… but Toronto loves him and he’s supposedly part of their “core”.
We don’t want their treasure to become our trash.
Very Good Post
All solid points, and even though Maggette hasnt fit in with us yet, it might be a little early to jump ship on him, unless we get a deal that dramatically improves us.
Contract too big to move
Would have to be a desperate team needing scoring. And I believe all of those teams are looking towards 2010.
if maggette gets traded
it better only be for a player with an expiring contract. there shouldnt be anymore talks of gerald wallace. the only way we would be spending money is for a shawn marion or something like that, where 20 mil seems like a lot but he would be coming off the books at the end of this season so it wouldnt matter. jerry stackhouse seems like a good fit. anyone with an expiring contract!!
yi
Yi is actually extremely talented, though extremely inconsistent as well. He played better than Yao did his rookie year and that says something perhaps about him (even Yao admitted that Yi played better than him his rookie year). Gotta give him some credit.
Ellis to the RIM!
Monta for the win?! YES!
Yi... really isn't that good
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/yao_ming/career_stats.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/yi_jianlian/career_stats.html
What planet are you from where you honestly believe Yi outperformed Yao in their respective rookie years? I can think of a few motivating factors for Yao to say Yi was better (being a nice guy, humble, promoting his countryman, etc.), none which have anything to do with Yi or Yao’s play on the court. You know what, GM’s CEO says they’re a viable company!
Sure, Yi is still young (or so says his birth certificate) and he might become a good player, but to compare him to Yao Ming is almost as ridiculous as comparing Bargani to Dirk.
I will give him credit. He’s not a bust. But, he’s not great by any means. Would I trade Wright for him? Yeah, probably… the extra cash flow means that Cohan will open the coffers a little right?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Would I trade Wright for him? Yeah, probably…
No way, he’s even softer than Wright. Would be a step in the wrong direction.
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Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 9, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
The key aspect of that comment comes after the ...
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Hamstring injuries are notoriously tough to heal properly
If you’re playing sports, you’re constantly using your hamstring. If you’re constantly using an injured muscle, it won’t get better quickly and you’ll keep re-injuring it. If it won’t get better quickly and you keep using it, it’ll just get worse and worse. If your injury keeps getting worse, so will your performance. It’s a downward spiral.
He needs to sit for like 2-3 weeks and hope it gets better by then. If he doesn’t do that, he’ll just be the 80% maggette we’ve been seeing all season. I’ve always been a Maggette proponent, but if he’s going to be injured and no able to play defense or drive effectively, then he’s no better than you or I.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 9, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions
Trade Options
Corey Maggette would be of interest to a team in a ‘win now’ mode and are willing to pay luxury tax. I agree that he is tradable and I think if you look for what he can produce, there may be some teams in playoff contention that would give us an expiring contract (to pursue Jason Kidd and Drew Gooden IMO). I think there are only two possibilities for this.
1) Cleveland Cavaliers. Admittedly they do want to mess with their chemistry, but a trade could be made of Maggette for Eric Snow and a draft pick whom they aren’t using anyway. Snow can pass.
2) New Jersey Nets. Maggette’s no Richard Jefferson but he’s better than Bobby Simmons. Vince Carter has player option for 18 mil in 4 years so maggette’s five year doesn’t look so bad. Stromile Swift has a 6 million expiring contract and he can rebound a little. obvioulsy we’d need a draft pick or an additional player to make it work.
Why?
would you include Bwright if he’s improved drastically this season? Cut out from under him right when he’s learning to stand. The boy can play. 1.2 BPG? are you serious? he may not be a great rebounder but he’ll grow into it. He’s shooting at 61% this year. lol Some of you “warrior’s fans” on here need to actually watch the Warriors play.
- iBall, do you?
What about waiting to see if Amar’e keeps getting frustrated in pheonix. there are starting Barnes at the 3. he would fit well there, and could thrive in there new system. we would have to throw in a Wright , Morrow, Etc. to sweeten the deal, but if it is at all possible this would make us a playoff worthy team and certainly improve our d.
dream
phoenix would never do that unless they were on ACID but for trading him to the raptors or the magic I wouldn’t include Bwright he is making some big strides this year. Most of the time I wonder why he doesn’t play more, I would throw in belinelli
Toronto
I’d be happy if we could trade him for Graham, Moon, Parker and a top-3 protected pick.
We buyout Parker to return to Toronto. We obtein cap for Marion, Odom, Artest or Turkoglu who will be UFA for the next year, i’d prefer anyone of them before Wallace or Bargnani or Howard, and we’d have Moon for the next year.
News Flash
Maggette has a 5 year deal for 50 million, 2 years before the biggest free agent splash in the summer of 2010 we’ve ever seen. Trading him before then is likely as easy as curing AIDS at this point, what team honestly wants to pick up a contract like that at this point? Not to mention, Maggette’s trade value thus far has only gone down while being with the Dubs. If Maggette is going anywhere, its to the bench as part of the 2nd unit, otherwise I’d just get used to having him around for awhile unfortunatly.
2 years before the biggest free agent splash in the summer of 2010 we’ve ever seen.
We’ve seen other free agent splashes in the summer of 2010 before?
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
you do realize that there are some teams who already won’t have cap room in 2010 even without adding Maggette, don’t you? and that some of those teams happen to be trying to win now?
no one’s saying it’s likely, but there are realistic options out there.
by the evil monkey on Dec 9, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
And teams that are trying to win now....
Won’t want a ball-hogging, stat conscience player like Maggette. Teams the Warriors are places that aren’t destinations for a the big summer 2010 FAs. Places like OKC, MIL, MEM, ATL, CHA, & MIN. None of these team will be able the lure a player like Lebron, Bosh or Wade, let alone any of the lesser players that we also be FAs then.
Personally, I’d like to Bargnani because he’s got a decent shot for 7 footer and I think he’d make a decent PF paired with Biedrins and could slide to C when Turiaf is in. Even better, Neilie could use him like Harrington to be a mismatch for centers like Yao and Oden who would have to guard him or what ever smaller PF we have in the game. That said Bargnani is only dude 5.3 million this season and it escalates up to 8 million by 2010-11 season. Where as Maggs is current making 8.2 million that escalates up to 11 million by the end of the 2012-13 season. I don’t see Toronto making this deal, but you never know.
A Sonics fan without a team.. Though I'm auditioning GS Warriors this season.
Biedrins-Barganani would be the softest paint in NBA. Bargs is a bluf.
Maggete has trade value. There are some teams won’t can get a star FA in 2010 because they are bad places to go… like Toronto
I’ve never heard of another guy in the history of the NBA put up 12 rebounds per game and in the same season be described as soft.
This team produce a lot of rebounds, someone has to take it
I have no doubts Beans in other style of play would be a 12-9 man or something like that
4,6 OFF rebounds per game and only 7,7 DEF…
what?
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
You're partially right
But you exaggerate how much his stats would be down on another team. We play only 11% faster than the slowest team in the NBA (Portland), though we have 89 rebounds per game to Portland’s 76, so there are ~16% more rebounds to go around. Take that advantage away from him and Biedrins is still at something like 13/11, which is still pretty damn good, rebounding would still be top 5 in the league.
"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 11, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
dude, you do realize the spurs wanted him just this past offseason?
you think dallas wouldn’t be tempted to switch out Stackhouse & picks for him? it’s not like they’ll have any extra cap space in ‘10 – resigning your guys isn’t affected by that and i doubt Cuban isn’t willing to spend money. as a jump shooting team, he’d get them attempts at the FT line.
you don’t think the hornets wouldn’t want to switch mo pete & julian wright out for him?
another winning team, the Jazz wanted him back when he was a restricted with the Clippers.
again, it’s not likely, but there’s a market for a guy who scores efficiently & gets his team to the FT line, no matter what his other faults are.
there are also teams like the Wizards who aren’t looking to win championships necessarily. they just want to get to the playoffs year in and year out for their bottom line. how else do you explain the money they threw at middling stars? according to Mullin, that’s kind of why he threw money at all those ex-W guys – to legitimize the organization and end that playoff-less streak.
farfetched, unrealistic scenario: say by some chance, the Jazz were to lose Boozer for the season. say they were convinced Boozer is leaving this offseason anyway and are just going to offer his money to Millsap instead. wouldn’t they look into moving him for a swing man? super unlikely.
by the evil monkey on Dec 12, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
trade machine struck again....
i just waisted way too much time on it at work…. 3 time deal atlanta, orlando, gsw
warriors get:
al horford, speedy claxton
atlanta get:
bwright, marcus williams, courtney lee, brian cook, keith bogans
orlando gets:
maggette
warriors: speedy has 1 more year on a 5.8 mil contract, kinda have to bite the bullet, but he’d be off in 2010.
atlanta:
lose horford, but pick up bwright (younger prospect) a backup pg who is much cheaper, and a young SG w/ potential in C-lee. Other 2 contracts r done at end of year so they’d clear some cap room (along w/ marcus iwlliams if they dont like him)
orlando:
maggette is type of 2guard they need to secure there lineup in playoffs….
This would only happen IF atlanta continues to tail off…..would clear money for them to run at free agents. if they did this trade theyd only have about 34 mil garenteed to josh smith, joe johnson, bwright and a few others going into off season. Obviously theyll wanna rekeep marvin williams who will look for 10, but then they could run at boozer or a more legit center than horford (who is really a 4)
correction… hawks if marvin williams opted out would only have 24 mil on books (bibby and marvin williams would be free agents,,, if he doesnt opt out it.d be 31.3. Still ALOT of money to play with… resign bibby, williams and a quality big man
Orlando has Turkoglu, 'Shard, and MP2
— with ’Shard tied up to the of the worst contracts in the NBA. They might be dead last on a list of teams I would think might have any interest in Maggette.
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by Sleepy Freud on Dec 10, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
+1
combined with Dubs Fan in Boston’s comments below=my thoughts exactly. However, this makes more sense than about 80% of the other trade machine ideas that pop up around here. I know the trade machine is a ton of fun but try to keep them somewhat realistic.
Al Horford is a stud PF/C
And he’s young. Atlanta is not trading him. End of story.
"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
but i thought bwright was a 'young stud'...q
according to many hear… wouldnt u swap them if u were atlanta if it gave u alot more salary cap room and wright is 1.5 years younger.
or maybe wright isnt THAT good…
by Warriors510 on Dec 10, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Would I swap them if I were ATL? Not a chance. Not a half a chance. The limit of chance approaches zero. When chance and zero become indiscernible, that’s how much chance there is.
The year and half age difference between Horford and Wright is a total non-issue. That’s got to be a joke, right? You weren’t serious, were you? Horford makes less than Wright, but in the grand scheme, they’re both cheap. Swapping salaries doesn’t do much if anything to improve ATL’s position in a FA bidding war for the 2010 class as Claxton comes off the books then. There’s zero chance that they bite at something like this. Such a trade does nothing, nothing at all for ATL, who would lose a player who can play center in exchange for a guy who plays a thin PF position, a position where they’ve already placed their Josh Smith/Marvin Williams combo. There isn’t a ‘legit center’ who would be an upgrade over Horford worth making the free agent gamble for.
yeah yeah i know you’re all right….
horford makes double bwright according to espn though. but we’re talking 2to 4 mil or so…. if they did do it they’d have enough money to run at boozer…. thats about all
by Warriors510 on Dec 10, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Wait a second
I mean, seriously. Wait a second…
Are you really suggesting that people at GSoM might possibly overvalue the abilities of young players on the Golden State Warriors NBA franchise? I just want to make sure I properly understand the allegations you’re making before I rip into you for accusing GSoMers of being “homers”.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 10, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
shocking!
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
He was such a horrible signing. He just screws us for awhile.
by Marco Belinelli on Dec 10, 2008 10:34 PM PST reply actions
just because he's taking your playing time
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Let Maggs get healthy, he will be a good signing, too expensive by 15-20% is all
When Monta gets back and relieves some pressure it will be a different team….
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