Trade Ideas

by jlagace on Feb 13, 2008 9:29 AM PST Comment 18 comments

Yes it's another trade thread.. There hasn't been many diaries lately and I'm bored, so you can just press the "Back" button on your browser if you're not interested.

There's a little more than a week left until the Trade Deadline and the Warriors still have some depth needs to fill. I don't think we need any major roster shake ups, but we do need more depth because Baron and Stephen Jackson could use some rest.

I truly do believe our biggest hole in the depth chart right now is backup shooting guard. When our beloved D-Leaguer CJ Watson is the first "shooting guard" off the bench, you know we have some depth issues. And Azubuike? I think we're starting to see why he went undrafted in the first place. A gifted scorer, but often doesn't involve himself in the offense and constantly loses his man on defense. And who knows when Belinelli will be ready to contribute.

We do have some trading chips. We have the $9.9mil trade exception, Mickael Pietrus, Patrick O'Bryant, and our mid-round future draft picks.
Here's a list of decent guards that could help us out, which could be had on the cheap before the deadline:

Tony Allen from Boston -
It is true that he's young, talented, and still on his inexpensive rookie contract. However, they may be willing to trade him to us for better depth. They should know that their "Championship Window" is closing fast, and may not have the patience or provide the playing time for Tony Allen to develop. Tony Allen and James Posey for Pietrus and POB? They upgrade Posey to Pietrus, and get a backup center (right now they're using rookie 6'9" Big Baby). If they go on to sign Cassell (or some other veteran PG), they move Eddie House to his natural backup SG role which Tony Allen vacates.

Bonzi Wells from Houston -
He's probably the best rebounding guard in the league. He's on a $2.2mil expiring contract. And best of all, he's on a team full of guards and rebounders. And the Warriors could always use the extra rebounding.

Joel Przybilla from Portland -
Okay he's not a guard, but definitely worth mentioning. With their roster full of talent at every roster spot and Oden coming back next season, someone's got to go and I think Przybilla is probably the odd man out. Although our big man situation has improved with Webber coming aboard, we still lack the big, banging, rebounding, shotblocking presence in the middle. 7'1" Joel Przybilla is all that and more for $6mil/yr.

Michael Finley from San Antonio -
The Ime Udoka experiment hasn't exactly worked out well for them, and having Ginobili in the starting lineup at SG isn't exactly going to kill them either. Pietrus could backup both wing positions for them and come in and fit the same role as Bruce Bowen does on that team (play defense and shoot 3's from the corner), as well add some much needed athleticism and youth to their squad. Michael Finley may be on the decline, but he's still a clutch shooter and grizzy ol' veteran, and our backcourt sure could use more composure and big-game experience. I would LOVE to put Finley in the starting lineup and make Monta the 6th man of the year (a la Ginobili, Gordon, Terry, Barbosa, etc).

Just throwing stuff out there. Discuss.

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by BingBluNT on Feb 10, 2008 2:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

always room for improvement

I'm not talking about blowing up the team. If we can move Pietrus and POB and get a player that might even contribute to our team just a little bit, then we've come up big time. Moving Pietrus would actually be addition by subtraction.

by jlagace on Feb 10, 2008 3:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I still like

WILCOX...may be Artest, Mikki Moore...what about trading Pietrus, POB, Belinelli, and first rounder for Wilcox or Moore. And use TPE to get Artest.

PG Davis - Watson
SG Ellis - Azubuike
SF Jackson - Barnes
PF Artest - Wilcox
C Biedrins - Harrington

by gambinofam on Feb 10, 2008 8:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Artest?

Did anyone see Artest last night? Why would we want that ticking time bomb on our team? Can you imagine what would happen with he and Jax on the same team? Oh wait, we don't need to imagine, just watch the video:
http://www.watch-basketball-videos.com/watch/?vid=75230

by mazlo on Feb 10, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i dont know,

i just don't think wilcox would be a good fit here. mainly b/c
(1)guy plays no defense (individual or team) and they already have too many of those guys.
(2)he's not tough or very skilled. for instance, his hands are average, he's a poor passer, FT shooting is in the 60s, and tends to shy from contact .
(3)his post game is average and therefore, nellie is unlikely to use him there over baron and sjax who tend to at least command & be able to pass out of double teams. might as well just post al more, slightly less effective, but doesn't cost them anything (especially if they lose baron, andris, or monta next yr b/c i doubt cohan like most owners, wants to pay lux tax)

by the evil monkey on Feb 10, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I shouldn't, but

Did you just propose Pietrus, POB, Belinelli, and a first-rounder for Mikki Freaking Moore? Seriously, what is your obsession with that dude? He turns 33 this year and is averaging 8.0 points and 5.9 boards in 29 minutes a game. I wouldn't trade any one of those four pieces straight up for him.

Wilcox is a much more interesting player, and probably a nice fit here hops-wise, but I worry a bit about the 2/$13.3M pricetag. I don't really want to risk his contract being the difference between re-signing Monta and AB and losing one of them.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"hops-wise" = hoops-wise

Both, actually...

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pure speculation on my part but

Did you just propose Pietrus, POB, Belinelli, and a first-rounder for Mikki Freaking Moore? Seriously, what is your obsession with that dude?

I think it's because he's a serious Lionel Ritchie fan and he knows Lionel has a no-trade clause. So this is the next best thing (since Lionel Simmons retired).

Proof:

The sad irony in all of this is that if Lionel was built like Mikki Moore, his ex-wife probably wouldn't have been able to beat the crap out of him.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 12, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I liked this other trade

by this one guy on the trade machine, it was Marco, POB, MP2, Kosta, and the trade exception for Artest and miller. But they gotta be the grizzlies to accept that one.

by protac6 on Feb 10, 2008 9:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Artest and Miller

I was the guy who made up that trade.

But the more I think about it, the more I doubt the Kings are going to blow up their team like that. Instead, they're probably going to try to acquire more talent. They're not a bad team, at all. In fact, they're about 6 games better than we were at this point in last season. They're one big trade away from being a competitive fringe playoff team, much like us last year.

by jlagace on Feb 10, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

we need more gaurds?

Are you kidding me? Also, CJ is never the first "shooting gaurd" to come off bench since he is guarded by point gaurds and gaurds other point gaurds. Just because he's playing next to BD doesn't mean he qualifies as a shooting gaurd. Azubuike is fine as a reserve for the two and three. Yes, he is not perfect, but who is? If we were going to trade for someone you mentioned, they would turn out to be just as flawed, if not more so. If they weren't, why would the other team give them up for our crap?

If we were looking to make improvements to our bench, don't you think we might as well look for guys that aren't just decent (at best) swingmen? Also, Joel P. is more than likely not available for anything we'd be willing to give up.

by saintfloppy on Feb 10, 2008 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm probably wrong but

Boston might be pretty happy with how they just defeated Tim Duncan and the SA Spurs behind Big Baby and without KG; Posey fits pretty nicely for them, hard to see how POB or MP would really be attractive to them nor do I see how Tony Allen would fit in here other than to watch CJ in limited action ... Wells would take minutes - from Monta? - Jackson? Ditto Finley - can he run with us? Why would SA want MP if he duplicates what Bowen brings? I just don't see Houston sending Wells, SA sending Finley - especially for MP who they can have for free in a couple months

I like your thinking tho, we need to use the TPE intelligently if we can bolster the roster. We might still get someone like Kurt Thomas, who meets a need, but bringing in more guards doesn't make as much sense me - particularly in light of the direction Phoenix just took, if we were in that mold ("Phoenix-lite") we might take a clue from what they've realized about runnin&gunnin to a conference final, much less championship ...

by hardcore on Feb 10, 2008 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

the need for more guards

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/10/SP87UVU2T.DTL

Nelson just explicitly stated why he's reluctant to play young guys like CJ Watson, Azubuike, and Belinelli in this tight playoff race. It's no secret that experience (as well as talent) takes you into and deep into the playoffs in the NBA, not just young talent alone.

If Nelson has already stated that he's rarely going to play Watson, Azubuike, or Belinelli much; then Mullin needs to take it as a hint that we need some veteran guards off the bench.

by jlagace on Feb 10, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

reading between the lines

you and I referenced the same article, but got completely different thoughts from it - no where does Nelson say or suggest that he wanted Mullin to add another guard. He does suggest the roster will not change much and that Kaz & Co. will get there time - down the road ...

by hardcore on Feb 10, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

adf

if Nelson says he doesn't want to play Watson, Azubuike, or Belinelli then that means the only guards he does want to play are Baron and Monta; keep in mind that Jackson and Pietrus do not play the guard position on this team.

I would hope they'd want to add another guard for this year so Baron and Monta won't have to play 40+ minutes every game.

On another note,
This rumor from Phoenix just came up:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Suns-looking-to-deal-for-veteran-defender?urn=nba%2C66000

It looks like they need them some MICKAEL PIETRUS to give them some backup SF minutes now that Marion is gone. They have nothing on their roster (that they'd give up) that we could use on our team, but just the fact that another uptempo team has a need and fit for Pietrus could open the door for a low-scale 3-team deal that we could get involved in.

by jlagace on Feb 10, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jax/MP to Phx

as you know from watching the first half of the season, Nelson often uses Jackson to initiate the offense and is clearly one of our major 3pt shooters - whether you want to call him a "point-forward" or not, he's fulfilling guard roles.

I actually wouldn't be opposed to sending MP to Phx if a third party gave us a more valuable player, but consider it a long shot ...

by hardcore on Feb 10, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like your thinking

outside the box.

I like the finley idea. How's this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=167~3019~2173~234~242&teams=24~24~24~9 ~9&te=&cash=

I'm down. All expiring deals, too. They get a better backup at center and 2 valuable role players in MP and Cro-bar.

by noava22 on Feb 12, 2008 3:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

asdf

Horrible trade idea, I'm not sure how giving a conf. rival, an aging conf. rival at that, two young pieces to help add youth in MP2 and POB. POB has shown bits and pieces of potential, much like AB did in his 2nd year. He still has the potential to be an impact in this league and giving him to the Spurs would be a mistake. Cro has showed he can be useful so I don't agree with throwing him in there. That and I don't want Finley on this team, he's shooting under 40% when he's suppose to be in there for shooting purposes. This makes us a lot worse, let's not just throw out trade ideas for the sake of posting something.