Pietrus should he go or stay and how do you feel about him eating up mins for him to nothing

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 6:10 PM PST Comment 59 comments

Plain and simple what do you guys think of pietrus. Every game I see him plays he just messes up the game or contributes nothing but easy plays that shouldve been given to some else. He's a waste of space and just because he sucks nellie shouldnt put him in to make him better. Tell him to practice because he needs it. Other players on the benche need mins and deservwe it. If I was on the bech and saw pietrus playing I would want a trade because that valueble mins to win and develope not time to cater to a cry baby who cant even play. He shouldnt make demands when he sucks.

Post some comments and what you really feel this is a post to express anger about a player that doesnt deserve to wear the Warrior jersey jessica alba has better defense than him and if you like him tell us why. thanks

Poll

Should we let pietrus go?

yes

26 votes

no

31 votes

demote him to a cheerleader

12 votes

keep him but don't make him play

7 votes

keep him and make sure he learns some skills from thunder

10 votes

let him go now I'm tired of him !

28 votes

114 votes | Poll has closed

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Pietrus

I'm a firm believer that we should have traded him away when he demanded to be traded, before the trade deadline. It's too late for that now though, and we have what we have until the offseason now.

It seems like there's always a need for a scapegoat on this team. It used to be Dunmurphy and Foyle, now they're gone and Pietrus is the new scapegoat. We gotta realize that it's not like it's all his fault, the rest of the players on our team aren't exactly All-Stars. Pietrus isn't the only reason that we lose games we should be winning.

Baron doesn't always play motivated. Roger Mason and Chris Duhon are prime examples of how good Monta's defense is. Stephen Jackson takes too many bad shots. Al Harrington is too streaky. Biedrins has regressed defensively. Everyone on the team has their flaws. It's not like getting rid of Pietrus (which is no longer an option for us) is going to solve all of our problems. Let's stop scapegoating and just be happy with the excitement that the team brings.

by jlagace on Feb 23, 2008 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

hmm

I disagree with your comments about the other players bc day in and day out they have brought this team to the top. Baron game winners and so have the others. Pietrus honestly game winners or playing time used up for someone who has not contributed to a win. Ration vs other players on contributing to wins none. Free throws in the playoffs that might have helped us in the clutch in the playoffs were missed by mr pietrus. He has not truly made an impact on games but making point when the game is sealed or when were already losing a game.

I do agree that we should have traded him asap and I bet most of us thought it was going to happen but just maybe and maybe every other team see's how much he's not valuable. All he is is trade bait. right. No one wants him. Simple that why we didnt not trade him. Putting pietrus on the bench and letting other players play helps the team than wasting the minutes right? Let the other players grow while this one stays put with what skills he has for another team. He's not a scapegoat he just doesn't fit the team

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

sometimes what you see

... is what you get

It used to be Dunmurphy and Foyle, now they're gone and Pietrus is the new scapegoat.

I can see how it feels like this... but these are all players that have been with the Warriors for quite some time, and I personally just feel like we've had expectations for them: Murphleavy, Foyle, and now Pietrus, that they just haven't been able to meet.

Part of it is the inconsistency and the tease of really great play we get from them, whether it was Foyle shutting down KG for a game back in the day, Dunleavy scoring 30+, then going apeshit and getting kicked out of the game and tossing his jersey into the stands, Pietrus' highflying putbacks, blocks, steals, and 3's...

but when they make the same mistakes over and over again, and their production declines, and they're making those same mistakes year after year, I think you eventually have enough. Over time, even the best players have their critics. You get to see them so long that not only do you experience their great qualities, but you know their flaws just as well, if not better.

It's like dating someone for 4 years.. at some point you know it's going to work out or it isn't. Right now both sides seem to need change for change's sake. He there used to be life in those eyes, and now the body language is always slumping a little more than it used to.

by Baron Von DOOM on Feb 24, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

im going to say this again

you can't look over the fact that pietrus brings a defensive hustle and intensity. he's always diving for the ball, trying to block a shot, or take a charger. however, most of these lead to personal fouls. haha but the dude is trying hard on defense. his offensive game needs a big boost though. i do think the younger guys should get more playing time, but nellie will always put a vet in before a rookie. i agree with jlagace, we shouldnt all be riding him so hard, because basketball is a team game and although he makes mistakes, its never just his fault for a loss. hes not going anywhere for the rest of the season so theres no point in complaining.

by lowchi on Feb 23, 2008 6:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i see

its easy to run to the ball and dive, why not running to the ball and picking it up. all the players on the warriors except pietrus has shown some contribution in a big way. Pietrus I just don't see itI know im complaining but alot of us since day one have been waiting to take him out. If you did look at the team with out pietrus wouldn't it be alot better. Scapegoat I would not think that. he did miss the most important free throws for him to get traded in the playoffs. Does he deserve his mins hasn't other bench players showed better offense and defense than looking like your intense? Artest is intense petrus is an actor.

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

looking at the play-by-play...

some guy named Baron turn the ball over before those 2 missed FTs and missed 1 himself after that.

At that same game, there's another guy, named Monta Ellis who.. .actually there was supposed to be a guy named Monta Ellis on our team but he never showed up.

But yah, it's Pietrus we're counting to make plays for us right? It's not like he just pulled a rebound that's why he got fouled right? No, maybe he was the designated player to shoot free throws for the team and missed.

by lightz0ut on Feb 23, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly guys

what does he have to contribute but diving for a ball, where the defense and the shots made. All the other players have room to have bad nights even the new players but Pietrus who has been on the team a good amount of time to produce has never I repeat never. So come on guys to put down other players whom actually made a difference in the game or backed up one another when some one is down on the team. Pietrus who has he backed up. No one but himself and he's trying so hard to play good and simply good to get traded. If you wanted to get traded and your on the warriors team that means your heart is not in it for the team but for yourself. Right. Pietrus wants to leave doesn't that hurt to hear from a fan of the warriors. Demand to get traded if you feel like your not getting minutes in the game bc the coach wont give it to you. Well, the reason mins are not being given is bc he has not proved his worth, nellie is actually being nice putting a selfish individual who doesn't even want to be apart of the warrior family. Right?

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

biedrins

someone needs to tell the refs that biedrins ain't a rookie no more, i think part of the reason why his defense is worse is because the refs just don't give the brother any calls, so he has to hold back because he knows the whistle isn't going to go his way

by bigbenny11 on Feb 23, 2008 8:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

asdf

we're stuck with him for the rest of the year. stop complaining about him. it's too late for that.

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 23, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

MP ask to be traded and thats that,we are stuck with and there's nothing we can do about it,and lets not forget this isn't the first time he has bitched and moaned,remember a few years back when we were still losing alot and he went to the french media and started talking crap about the team's losing ways,sooner or later his true self will come out.

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by Dopey on Feb 23, 2008 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Thank you for this comment Indeed, Were not complaining were just saying no room for a traitor!!! get this Pietrus is a TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!TRAITOR!!!!!!!

Everyone backs him up but it does it win or lose with the team he doesnt care. And when will people get it that other players back up one another on the team but Pietrus he's in it no to win or lose but to get traded so let him sit and sigh some autographs thats not worth anything!!!

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

nelson

needs to stop playing pietrus so much

by eeeric on Feb 23, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

as ive said

in my thread...HE NEEDS TO RIDE PINE. Id only like to see him in some spot up duty, situational sub patterns such as HACK-A-SOMEONE, last 30 seconds of the 2nd half, blowout win or loss.

We can also send him to the D League.

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Feb 23, 2008 9:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

No question

There should be no doubt that this guy shouldn't be on the team, but he is, and Nelson is going to play him. All I can say is hopefully he doesn't cost us too many games.

by SpreeForThree on Feb 23, 2008 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

here we go...

Let me start off again by saying this: I've never really liked MP's game and has been critical of him as a player for most of last year. But this year, I've spent most of my time defending Pietrus because a)early in the season when he's actually playing good. He's still being criticize for things that sometimes are just absurd. AND b)now that his play has actually dropped, he now seems like a cancer that cause us all 20+ games we lose.

Everybody points out about how he asks to be traded and such. But look at his body language on the floor. He still hustles every single play. NONE OF US know what happens behind the curtain. We just feed off what the media gives us. So who's to say he's ruining this team's chemistry?

Then, there goes the travelling, step out of bounds, etc... I bet you Buike gets called for travelling more if not just as much. While Barnes cannot even consistently make an easy layup. So I'd trust Buike more offensively, but how much does he really give us defensively?

Don't get me wrong, if I get my way I would rather see Buike get more playing time. But blatantly saying Pietrus is useless and has nothing to offer is 10X dumber than claims of MP looking dumb.

Look at that Boston game and you'll see why Nellie plays Pietrus. He did a good job on Pierce and even Ray Allen down the stretch. Also had a couple of key defensive plays during that 4th quarter rally.

by lightz0ut on Feb 23, 2008 10:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

asdf

yeah, when his defense isn't stupid, he's actually one of the best defenders in the nba.

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 23, 2008 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

yeah

yeah because he's guarding a player with no skills

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

are you like 12 yrs.old or something????

by lightz0ut on Feb 23, 2008 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hahahaha

ive had that same theory

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Feb 23, 2008 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

same theory

the only theory you have is agreeing with your boyfriends over there huh...

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

huh

were are all warrior fans don't start defamating people on this website, your acting like an 11 yr old buddy. go home and watch the games with your boyfriend little girl before your starting putting down other people on this website!!!

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously

don't speak crap have some respect for your fellow GSOM members, when we all joined this GSOM we accepted not to be little one another and everyone has there own opinions. Please keep it civil, this is not a hate blog please please lightzout please

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 23, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lightzout 4 president

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 24, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

read what you just said above and read your comment again. A little hypocrital aint it?

I simply asked if you were 12yrs or younger because I wouldn't want to be arguing with someone half my age. Do I find your comments immature? Truthyfully, I do. Did I say anything to "belittle" you? Did I? Sorry but last time I yelled TRAITOR!! TRAITOR!! to someone was around that age, maybe even younger.

by lightz0ut on Feb 24, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

age???

Would it matter what age I'am to argue with an individual. Im guessing the only reason you want to know my age is to see if you can molest me right. Your one of those guys here trying to find out there age to email me if I was 12 for your own pleasure right>>> drop it and move on...

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 24, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

not even gonna step down to that level because it's already pretty clear to me how mature you are. =)

by lightz0ut on Feb 24, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

dumb

How dumb are you, you already passed the line when you started calling people and assuming there age, we shouldn't go around assuming peoples age and belittling one another, again you say you wont got to that level but you've started you make no since, I wouldn't be surprised if you happened to get blocked from this website for your comment and for all the shit talking you have added to this bloq, grow or at least be mature. loser

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 24, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

your a funny 40 yr old who wants to pick a fight with a random person, clap clap keep it coming because you bring wasted space when you type,

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 24, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

fyi

I have a long way to go before I reach that milestone. But thanks for calling me funny. =)

Anyway, as you suggested, I'll let the mods do what they think is appropriate.

by lightz0ut on Feb 24, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

paul pierce & jrich have no skill?

considering how big of a blockhead he comes across as (despite whatever may be lost in translation) i'm not big on pietrus, but he's (sadly) our 2nd best perimeter defender (btw, he usually picks up fouls when he has to guard bigger players at the 4 spot or when he helps).

and you do remember this guy helped the warriors break the playoff drought last season? - including a big game 4 in the mavs series (w's won 103-99, pietrus 16 pts, 5 rebs, 2 stls, and 1 blk). just look at a game log of last season and you'll see he was a big part of last season's crazy ride.

besides, 82games.com shows the dubs are +0.2 when he's on the court versus the dubs being +3.0 when he's off the court (a net -2.8). that's hardly as bad as kelenna who sports a -3.6 while on the court and, in the meantime, the dubs outscore their opponents by 6.5 when kelenna isn't playing (net -10.1). that 6.5 is the highest # by far on the team - barnes is 2nd, dubs outscore opponents by +3.5 when he's not on the floor.

for whatever reason (energy? defense? hard to say w/o re-watching games while focusing on individual players), the team plays a lot better w/ pietrus on the floor than they do when kelenna is in. and it's not like it's a small sample size where things can be skewed. just b/c kelenna is more polished offensively doesn't automatically mean he's a more effectively player. i'd say pob is a lot more polished than diop, but i'd take diop over pob.

but what surprises me the most is that so many fans think they know more about basketball than nellie & mully. have you ever thought "hey, maybe i don't know as much as i think?" like, if you think pob is better than andris (as some have professed on this site), then maybe you have no eye for talent?

sure, nellie misses on prospects more often than not, but he's usually pretty astute once he's seen a guy play on the nba level. two other highly regarded evaluators and team builders, colangelo & riley (hardly isiah & bird), were also willing to trade for pietrus (albeit for dixon, graham/i forget what miami was offering), but, hey, you're right, they're all wrong and pietrus sucks.

by the evil monkey on Feb 24, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 23, 2008 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

hes a great player

and hes a great athlete, hes gonna thrive somewhere but with a bad attitude its not gonna be here unless he gets put in line

hes a young hotshot idk - i like him but hes fuckin things up for us

whats a good thing is we got an even younger and more humble version of him in buike - theyre essentially the same player and fill a required and highly sought after role most teams struggle to fill (we got 2) - its better with 2 young players of that type but at least buike will ease us away from missing pietrus

by sing sing supernote on Feb 24, 2008 12:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

amended

tho no - buikes defense dosent compare really to pietrus' fully tho - maybe one day we could hope

pietrus is built and yea when the dude acts humble which isnt often man he can shut someone down

im gonna miss the dude ;-;

by sing sing supernote on Feb 24, 2008 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

French Michael J-xxxxx( Jackson or Jordan ?)

I've given this some thought over the course of the season and as much as I have enjoye Mickael's highflying blocks and dunks, I find myself more and more disappointed and confused when watching him play.

He comes in when called upon(rarely)and makes some hustle plays and gets a block here and there, then maybe a rebound. However then I start to notice the wide open 3 point misses, lack of defense, getting burned then giving up and fouling, and then more silly fouling. Its hard to watch him consistently because thats something he is not at least this season.

For a guy who was hyped up as the "French Michael Jordan" when we got him in 2003, he has been all but. He has ended up like a slower, clumsy, and streaky J-Rich, who can do some good things, but turns around and shoots the W's in the foot. I don't maybe it is the disappointment of what has been the longest tenured Warrior or his lack of desire to play for us that bothers me the most, but I just can't stand watching him in anymore. I prefer seeing Azubuike than Pietrus in alot of situations. Also Brandan Wright is the guy I want to see more of now, he looks like a good prospect to go along with Monta and Bellinelli...

Move Mickael on Draft Day and cut our last tie to the Gary St. Jean era...Here's to the memories!

by Jagz8 on Feb 24, 2008 1:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

MP2

Has amazing physical tools, and that's what frustrates us. His b-ball IQ has not improved, and even more importantly, his shooting has regressed. Remember when Pietrus would bury the corner 3 with regularity? That just doesn't happen anymore.

I do believe that Pietrus has played excellent D at times and is often used as a scapegoat by fans, but his inconsistency is maddening. Baron Von Doom has it correct: at some point, it's time to break it off.

The inactivity of the W's front office in this matter is a serious detriment to the team. MP2 should have been traded weeks, if not months, ago. I was lobbying for a Pietrus trade this past off-season since I saw no logical reason to bring him back (except to trade him as an expiring deal). Sadly, this is not the only important decision the front office and coaching staff have handled in an 'inactive' mannner in the past year or so. This one may not have serious repurcussions, but don't be surprised if others do.

by UncleCliffy on Feb 24, 2008 3:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

true

but you don't make a trade just to make a trade. and they made it difficult w/ the stipulation of no long term contracts past this year. then they made it even harder by adding it had to be a rotational player. obviously, mulson didn't feel dixon & graham fit those conditions.

just b/c nothing happened, doesn't mean they were inactive. on espn, the w's were said to be one of the most active teams during the deadline. and from mully's comments, i think it's fair to say they went for kg and struck out due to either mchale's love for jefferson or the need to give a hometown discount or kg's unwillingness to come play here.

maybe you could make a case w/ gasol, but the w's don't have a large expiring so it'd be on the condition of taking al's contract. the other one is kurt thomas who became 3 1st rounders for the sonics, but you don't know how willing the suns were to trade him to another playoff contender.

by the evil monkey on Feb 24, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember

at the end of Pietrus' rookie year my dad and I were watching him play in a game and my dad commented that he had a game in the mold of Jordan. Not as good as Jordan obviously, but had the same style. I miss that Pietrus.

I don't know, every other year but this year I've loved Pietrus, and I'm still trying to find positives in his game, but he is just playing so much worse now. Him and Barnes, and it sucks, because we haven't gotten consistent bench play since last year. I really hope they can figure it out.

But then again, Pietrus is set up to fail right now, because even when he has a good game, it is followed by "Wow, Pietrus finally did something good for once." How the hell is he supposed to get his confidence back in that kind of environment?

by belilaugh on Feb 24, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Brains...

either you got it or you don't.

You can become a physical freak of nature by proper diet and conditioning and training, but you can't add brain cells by doing anything.

I'm not mad at Pietrus because he still hustles when he's out there. I'm just mad at the fact that since being drafted fairly high, the only visible thing that he has improved on is his very streaky baseline 3 pointer.

The guy is rediculously atheletic and no doubt could have been a much better baller if he had set his mind to it. The problem is that he apparently doesn't have much of a mind.

Aside from being an above average on ball defender (he fouls a little too much to be considered a great defender), he hasn't improved the other facets of his game to warrant much playing time.

He gets all his points from dunks on putbacks and short feeds or at the baseline 3 as he stands there. He's got no off the dribble game and has no touch to shoot anything midrange. His handles do not look like they have improved because he is hesitant to use it aside from taking one dribble back to shoot an even tougher step back 3. I'm not even going talk too much about his free throw shooting either but whenever he goes to the line, I expect 1 of 2 to clank off the back iron.

Like P, Barnes deserves just as much scrutiny, however, unlike P, Barnes was not a high lottery pick loaded with potential. Barnes is what he is, a hustle type player who exceeded everyones expectations last year and probably had his career year. This year's Barnes is what you will typically get. He's not fooling anyone though because he's been in and out of the league and catching on teams here and there. Pietrus is a raw, physically gifted talent that probably will never develop into what everyone including himself had envisioned. And he is the one to blame for that.

by misterjennings on Feb 24, 2008 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think we shoulda traded

him this offseason. heres my reason. yeah everybody says hes so good defense, makes thoughs hustle plays, but what, we had him for 4 years and thats all hes done. That is what pisses me off the most. He just started dibbling up a few steps after a rebound THIS year. not hte other 4 years before, but this year. He just started to fix his out of bounds plays like this season. Arnt u suppost to fix your flaws earlier in the season? he still cant do anything offensivly except stay in one spot, not slashing like monta or buike.
His attitude is messed up. He complains to the french media, then hes demanding to be traded. Now hes saying its all over and its n the past. I expect an NBA player to try and learn new stuff every offseason they have, and thats what fans expect for a player to expand their game. Pietrus hasnt done any of that. He was brought to the warriors as a lock down dfender and on a good day, he is one. But on the rest of the days, barely hitting rim on his "sweet spot" like what we have been treated to see for the past few years, and really other than that nothing else. He was complaining he wasnt getting any plays that go to him, i recall a game where it was an inbound play and he cut, wide open right near the rim and he dropped the damn ball. Hasnt done anyhthing for our team, and will continue to make little impact.

by GSwarrior on Feb 24, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Its a waste...

of TIME to focus all this talk on Pietrus... The worst you can say about him is that he hasn't lived up to potential, which is true. He's pretty much the same player he was 5 years ago.

He's going to have games where he contributes a lot. And he's going to have to have games where he flops, but if we're talking about him actually hurting the team in those flop games chances are that we're expecting more from him than he can really give and our best players have probably failed in that game too.

Bottom line, he's not going to make or break the team on or off the court. And neither is anyone we could trade him for! Lets move on...

by in for life on Feb 24, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

exactly

exactly so plain and simple we know he sucks so bench him right...simple bench him, make him ponder what he can do to get back on the court and to become a better player///

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 24, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

asdf

very original name.
grow up.

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 24, 2008 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

asdf yeah lightzout grow up

your right she should brow up

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 24, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he wants to play at the 3 spot

I think that's a key information to understand why he would be happy to play elsewhere and why he feels that he did enough for the team by playing at the 4 spot to match its needs

maybe he would deliver more if he was given the chance to play at his favourite spot

I don't say it explains every failures but it helps to understand the situation

by dorian on Feb 24, 2008 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

favorite spot

Your right he would deliver more at his favorite spot!!! another Team, thats right obviously its known he would deliver more at a different spot on another team as he has requested numerous times!!!!!!!

by goldenstatewarriors on Feb 24, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Net -2.9

Good argument, he only costs us a net -3 points when he's on the court? And Ryan Bowen hustles a lot too, but I wouldn't want him on my team. Look, he does some good stuff, but so do a lot of players. I'm not convinced he's better than the player we'd use to replace him, and so I'm ready for the end of the Pietrus era.

by SpreeForThree on Feb 24, 2008 5:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

waste 1st ronder

haha u gotta
be kidding

pietrus not
one dimensional
hes 1/8 dimensonal

negative bbiq
magneticaly drawn
to step out of
bounds

foyle hustled 2
BFD

ANY QUESTIONS???

by KennySeagle on Feb 24, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Intentionally Poetic?

Not to go off topic, but was that post a poem? It looked kinda like a new age haiku or somethin... Cutting edge, man.

"To my dear brother, Noompsy."

by Tim N Chris Burger on Feb 24, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

asdf

no comment.

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 25, 2008 12:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Look... Pietrus is much more productive than...

The human turnover (Matt Barnes) and Azubuike. He is just as streaky as Azubuike and is a better defender than both combined. The biggest argument that you can make against Pietrus is his lapse of judgment fundamentally... but he is no worse than Barnes or Azubuike. Pietrus is sufficient at what he does; coming off of the bench and contributing defense and rebounding (often against larger match-ups) while trying to get hot from the corners. I can count the amount of times I've yelled for Pietrus to get the last shot, but I can't count the amount of times I've yelled at the T.V. because Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson just made a dumb play. It happens, and that's why it's a team sport. Sure he's asked to be traded, but so has Richardson, as well as countless others. Yet once we saw Richardson traded, we all praised his heart for the Warriors (myself included). Pietrus is as much of a Warrior as Monta, Beans, Baron... etc. He plays his hardest and doesn't get phased by haters like "goldenstatewarriors"

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

by mightymadskillz on Feb 25, 2008 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

MP vs Buke

Quick comparison, just for fun. I'll use stats that are Per 36min played just to level the playing field a bit.

Buke: .456fg% .395 3pt% .713ft% 6.5reb 1.8ast 1.0stl 0.6blk 1.4to 3.2pf 14.9pts

MP: .404fg% .344 3pt% .656ft% 5.8reb 1.3ast 2.0stl 1.1blk 1.4to 5.9pf 11.4pts

Taking a quick look at the numbers you can see that Buke is clearly the better offensive player, and by a wide margin. He is also a better rebounder and playmaker.

MP has better defensive stats as you'd expect (Buke has to improve in that area) but if you look at the rate that he fouls, he is somewhat negating his own good D. With how much he fouls he is constantly putting the other team in the bonus and keeping himself off the floor (if you gave him starters minutes he would foul out of every game). It also slows the pace of the game down and gets the opposing players going.

If I had to choose between these two I'll take Buke every time. I know his defense isn't great (and it has been much worse since the knee injury) but he is a much better all-around player. Don't forget that rebounding is a huge part of playing good defense and Buke has come up with some very important late-game rebounds for us.

Having said all that, a lot of people are a little too hard on MP. He probably gets the whole "he's an idiot" thing because of the bad fouls, and maybe more so the "huh?" face he makes all the time.

by olympicmike on Feb 25, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll give you this much... based on the 36mpg...

He does look better... but you have to remember this: Games are not based on 36mpg played level. If Azubuike earned those minutes then he'd get those minutes. The simple fact of the matter is maybe Barnes minutes should go to Azubuike rather than Barnes himself. You also have to consider that a lot of those points and rebounds that Azubuike accumulated (which were factored into your analysis, I'm certain) were at the beginning of the season when Jackson was out and Monta was slumping and he was thriving. Given that, you can say that his PPG and his RPG are slightly inflated. I'm not denying that Azubuike will develop into a good player. He probably will be better than Pietrus... But I'd rather have Pietrus in there than Azubuike in terms of the Small Forward position based on our current team make up.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

by mightymadskillz on Feb 25, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

4 years of stupidity...

My main beef with mp2 is the nature of his mistakes. He handles the ball the least of all of the rotational players. When buke is in there (and barnes for that matter) they have the ball in their hands, maybe twice as much as mp2. Yet his TO's is close to equal. Also, when he cuts to the basket and drops the pass - the passer gets the TO. He drops more passes while cutting than biedrins and gets passed to 1/8 as much. So his numbers actually hide a large chunk of his ineptitude.

And lastly, his dumb frenchman act is getting old. After 4 years in the league,
you'd think he'd learn how to dribble more than 15 ft w/o looking like he's travelling;
you'd think he'd stop taking that negative step at the hash mark;
you'd think he wouldn't pump fake underneath the basket with no one around him only to pass it back beyond the 3 pt line;
you'd think he wouldn't be setting back picks out of bounds;
you'd think he would stop fouling guys fighting for position 18ft from the basket.

We've been dealing with his brain farts for 4 years. Four years of the SAME OL' ISHH... Good enuf reason as any to be the new scapegoat. I doubt barnes or buki will have as LONG of a leash.

"To my dear brother, Noompsy."

by Tim N Chris Burger on Feb 25, 2008 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Couple things...

Just to clarify, I used 36min per just to negate the fact that one guy gets more minutes than the other. It's hard to really compare players using per game stats because a players statistical production is based so heavily on the minutes that a coach gives him. I was not implying that Buke or MP should get those kind of minutes. You could just as easily use per 40min, per 48min, per 10min or even per one minute played. The reason I chose to use 36 is because those numbers were readily available when I was typing that up. BTW Buke does get more minutes than Pietrus and deserves to get more minutes than Pietrus.

One thing I don't understand is why you would throw out Buke's early season production. He still earned every point, rebound and assist that he tallied during the time that Jack was out and Monta was struggling (this was also before Buke's knee started to bother him). MP could have/should have thrived during that period too, but didn't. The stats show that when you play Kelenna you get solid production.

If you would rather take MP, that is fine. As far as taking minutes away from Barnes for Buke I wouldn't be opposed to that, but you have to remember that Barnes is a better rebounder and gets more assists per minute than Buke or MP. When you also consider his ability to play defense at a level similar to MP, without the excessive fouls, you start to see why Barnes gets his minutes despite his turnover rate.

This whole argument doesn't really matter all that much when you consider that Don plays BUke at SG and SF, but plays Barnes and MP at PF primarily. Either way, it is definitely fun to compare players and pull for the guys you think will give you the best chance of winning. I will continue to pull for Buke to get minutes and I'm sure MP appreciates that you are pulling for him to get minutes instead of calling him names like a lot of Warrior fans do.

by olympicmike on Feb 25, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Following up...

I wasn't throwing out Buike's early season performance. He is on the same Warrior team that I cheer for, and I loved every dunk, rebound and three he took. I was simply putting it out there. As for Pietrus... he should have thrived earlier in the season. The starting SF spot was handed to him and he looked good in the offseason.. he just collapsed at the beginning of the season. It was no one else's fault but his own. I just personally believe that Pietrus is more useful out on the floor than what a lot of fans think. He doesn't deserve any more minutes than he gets; I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that for the time he's out on the floor, he's just as important towards getting the win as the other four. I would give up Barnes for Pietrus. I just don't see Barnes being as good of a defender as Pietrus. He does pass a little better than Mikael, and he is a better rebounder, as he is more physical than Pietrus, but he is just as streaky as Pietrus and makes just as much mistakes (if not more) than Pietrus. As for Buike... I'm only saying that he's more effective than Buike because of his defense (or potential for defense). This argument really doesn't matter, because as you've stated above, their minutes are used in different positions. I just stated my rant because a lot of people say a lot of ish about Pietrus and how he doesn't deserve the time when he's done nothing but play to the best of his ability.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

by mightymadskillz on Feb 25, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i dunno

this might just be my opinion, but when Barnes turns the ball over or screws up its usually because he is trying hard to make something happen, while Pietrus seems to just be there.

by BD4mvp on Feb 25, 2008 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs