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Can we maintain the intensity?

Check out Marcus Thompson and Geoff Lepper's blog site here.

Has an interesting few points about:

  1. The Warriors ability to go on crazy scoring spurts that, even when down 10, opponents can't let up.
  2. Can the Warriors play at an intense level consistently or is their MO always going to depend on their "spurtability".
  3. Baron can bring the intensity every night, but he just doesn't...for some reason. Also notes teams focusing in on Monta more (by bringing help defenders), Jackson and Harrington's outside shooting streakiness.
In the end, Thompson concludes by saying:
The reality is, maybe the Warriors have to live on their spurtability. Maybe their success is determined by who's hot, what the match-up is and the momentum. I was convinced that they are a great team who plays down to the competition and sometimes lacks intensity. Now I'm thinking they might not be great, but really good and great when all things are clicking.
If the latter is true, then this roster needs major changes. You can't win in the West on banking on spurtability.

Interesting read, and from what I can gather/assume is that Nellie and Mullin know this too. The West just got tougher to climb for the next 1-2-3 years with Phoenix and the Spurs having a window of opportunity still, Dallas and Utah as the 2nd tier echelon WCF candidates, and then of course you have the Lakers. Seemingly over night they vaunted themselves into the Phoenix/Spurs tier of talent--but the scary thing is that they are still relatively young and their "window" for a championship run will outlast Phoenix and San Antonio, and are in my opinion, a better team that Dallas and Utah. Then you also have your next tier of teams: New Orleans (Probably should be in the upper tier now), Houston, Denver, Golden State, Portland (still 1-2 years away however, but not a team to scoff at).

Can we really be satisfied, as currently constructed, to settle for being a 7-8th seed for the immediate future? It's true that it is better than NOT making the playoffs, but still seems a bit shortsighted in the long term perspective.

It may be too soon to talk about offseason re-tooling/restructuring/rebuilding (taboo word around here), but if that's what it takes then I for one wouldn't be surprised by a plethora of roster turnover. I can't see anyone as untouchable with Nellie here outside of Monta.

I guess i'll just end it here and see what you think.

Poll
The Warriors Are...
A great team that plays down to the competition
13 votes
A good team that is great when they turn on the intensity
44 votes
A good team that shows flashes of greatness, but in fact is a mirage.
18 votes

75 votes | Poll has closed

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Dallas
isn't that young. They have kidd at the point. If Kidd is injured they are pretty much cooked. Dirk and Howard can't carry the team by themselves.

Though I don't think Denver will last too long. Look at how  much they are paying and the results? They have so many great players yet they can't make it out of the first round. Same with Houston. How long is Houston going to continue paying big bucks for BOTH yao and mcgrady who both gets injured for huge chunks of time.

Portland is scary. They burned themselves out this year but next year they'll have experience and probably a motivated Oden.

by saintdee on Feb 27, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

imagine
if portland somehow manages to "win" one of the top 3 selections in the lottery again. it's unlikely, but scary.

by the evil monkey on Feb 28, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

asdf
it ain't over till it's over.

nobody's out of the playoffs, yet.

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 27, 2008 12:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

asdf
i assume you gave up on the warriors last year too.
"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Feb 27, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully
we go for the jugular and try to get a 7th seed. Basically in the first down we really need to avoid the lakers, they would destory us in 4 or 5 games and it wouldn't even be close. I feel like the spurs, lakers and the utah jazz are the only teams that will gurantee us a 1st round exit. Every other team we have a shot against, come playoff time our team will ball, playing their best. I guarantee it.

by bigbenny11 on Feb 27, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think...
...we might be able to take the Spurs. We play them pretty tough. Same with Phoenix, who to my mind just got weaker against us by ditching Marion. Shaq won't  be able to keep up, Nash can't defend, Ellis can get whatever midrange J he wants against their man defense.

by Zack Vank on Feb 27, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wrong
we played the lackluster mid to early season Spurs. The Spurs playing now are the "building up momentum for the playoff" Spurs.

by saintdee on Feb 27, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of whatever...
...mode the Spurs fancy themselves in, the fact remains that they're old as dirt and we've beaten them twice. The Warriors have success more based on the type of bodies and skills of the opposing individual players than they do based on the record of the opposing team. Which is why a team like Atlanta is a nightmare matchup, while we can hang with the Suns and the Nuggets, and I believe, the Spurs.

by Zack Vank on Feb 27, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it'll be interesting to see how the dubs fair
against the Suns w/ Shaq. only b/c Shaq pretty much owned them that 1st game when he was on Miami. then Riley went small in the 4th quarter and the dubs came back for the victory.

from the games i've seen, Shaq hurts the Suns in the half court b/c he's in the way in the paint, but he can't score one on one against most teams. unfortunately, he probably can against the dubs.

i'd rank it
group 1: rockets (no Yao may not hurt them in the regular season, but it should in the playoffs), suns (if dubs can manage to guard shaq one on one, it's over)

group 2: hornets (young team, peja is a known choker in the playoffs), nuggets (no defense)

group 3: spurs (it'll be a series about who can control the pace), mavs (question is, diop & harris hurt the dubs last year, but how much will kidd minimize baron's dominance over the mavs? they'd be in group 2 if it weren't for bass)

group 4: jazz, lakers

the dubs need to get to 6,7 to avoid the lakers at 1 and therefore avoid utah in the semis(b/c utah as the division winner will probably be at 4 and in line to play winner of 1vs8 assuming they get by 5)

by the evil monkey on Feb 28, 2008 1:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wait for another fire sale.
That's really what the Warriors need to vault them into the upper echelon of the West if they want to compete in the next 2-3 years. Otherwise, they can just play the waiting game and see how good these young players can really get. There's really no point of trading for a guy like Artest or JO unless it's for a surplus of players. Which is probably why we decided to stay still during the deadline.

by lightz0ut on Feb 27, 2008 4:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The future
     We have two excellent young players in Monta and Biedrins. Wright has shown that he may be a keeper. And it's not like Baron and Jax are 38. Our future looks pretty good. We could make some minor tweaks with our role players, like getting better percentage 3-point shooters for instance. But there's no reason to make any drastic moves under the assumption that we're nothing but a perennial 7th or 8th seed. The Lakers are ridiculous (thanks Memphis), but outside of them I don't see anyone that will be better than ours for sure 2-3 years from now.
     
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 27, 2008 6:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's obvious why Baron doesn't bring it
he could be doing what he did against Seattle defensively all game, and he will do that if the Warriors get into the playoffs, but Baron paces himself. He realized the Warriors were slipping against Seattle so he turned his effort up.

But we can't expect the most injury prone man on our team to play all out all the time when he is going 40+ minutes a night, that would be too short term. Baron might play soft defense in the first quarter, but if a possession matters in the fourth he's going to be the best defender the Warriors have (besides Jack).

It sucks because he could drive to the hoop at will all the time, but because he is so injury prone, he settles for perimeter shots.

But as we saw last year, come playoff time there is no game afterwards to save your energy for, every game could be your last, and Baron knows it so he plays like it.

by belilaugh on Feb 27, 2008 7:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

what the deuce?
marcus thompson thought the dubs were a great team? guy needs to go get him some league pass.

by the evil monkey on Feb 28, 2008 12:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The West
This year and next are probably going to the the last years of the dominant Western teams.  We worry about the future, but it's not really so scary:

Phoenix - After two years, Steve Nash (the motor that makes them go) and The Big Cactus are going to be shadows of what they are now.  Giving up Marion was a big hit on their future, now they only have Amare as their superstar of tomorrow.

Dallas -  Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, Dirk Nowitzki, Diop, Jamaal Magloire, Stackhouse.. these guys aren't getting any younger or better.  After getting rid of Devin Harris, they're only rising star is Josh Howard.

San Antonio - Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are still going to be there and be good, but Tim Duncan isn't going to play at this level forever.  Does San Antonio know how to survive without a dominant big man?  They've had one (or two) to rely on for as long as I can remember.

Houston Rockets - Yao Ming is what he is.  The fact that he's expected to play hard for the China national team and shoulder the load for 37 mpg on the Rockets means he's going to have a very injury-plagued career (as history has shown.)  TMac is going to go the route of Vince Carter soon.  After those two, they don't have much star power to carry them.

The next big five in the Western Conference are going to be the Lakers, the Hornets, the Blazers, the Utah Jazz, and our beloved Golden State Warriors.

Future Eastern Powerhouses:

Miami - Dwyane Wade, Shawn Marion, Dorrell Wright, Daequan Cook, and a bunch of expiring contracts and salary cap room mean this team has a bright and promising future.  Getting rid of Shaq's contract was probably the deal of the century, right next to the Lakers getting Gasol for nothing.

Cleveland - Lebron James made it to the NBA Finals with no supporting cast.  Imagine what's going to happen now that he has some decent teammates.

Orlando - The Man-Beast Dwight Howard is only going to become manlier and beastlier.  I think they're going to regret giving Rashard Lewis so much money, but they're always going to be a competitive team in the East.

Atlanta - This team just oozes with talent.  Right now they're just a young talented team where nobody knows how they fit in with eachother.  This team will only get better with time.

by jlagace on Feb 28, 2008 12:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

portland might be up there if
Oden is the defensive force that ppl think he might be. Plus they'll have another lottery pick this year and after Francis' & Lafrentz' contracts are done (after next year?), they'll have tons of room and an owner who is willing to spend. Don't they have a ton of players overseas as well? I know Rudy Fernandez for sure.

Seattle, if they draft well, could be decent by the end of those 2 years. they have 6 picks in the next 3 yrs. including Phoenix's unprotected 2010 pick and tons of space to sign FA as well. I think Durant's going to be good once he fills out and can play the 3 position instead of the 2. Still not convinced he's a #1 option, but we'll see - depends how good that jump shot gets.  

by the evil monkey on Feb 28, 2008 1:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
SA, PHX, Dallas all won't be as good in three years as they will right now. LAL, NO, Utah, and Portland can all be better, if they already aren't, than the Warriors. Injuries and off years can vault the warriors higher or lower in the WC, but it remains to me that at our best, we won't be better than a 5th seed! This is our future hope?

I'm glad we're even relevant again. I just wish the warriors could be a little more consistent and and dominate the way we all know they can. I don't know if that is due to our personnel, coaching, or what. To win in this Conference, we all know we're going to need a bigman. Hopefully AB and Wright can fill this gap, but that is asking a lot of these two guys this year and next. Hopefully they can become more dominant on the court and contend with opposing bigs.Our future falls directly on the shoulders of our youth, and while i remain optimistic, prevailing thoughts of negativity can creep in.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 28, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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