How about some love for MP?

how many credentials does somebody need to have to recognize that Pietrus makes mistakes that can't be excused. He is a terrible dribbler, and he steps out of bounds all the time with the ball, do I need to run a 5 star basketball camp and be a member of the basketball hall of fame to recongize that Pietrus hasn't worked on his game as much as he should have? honestly, he has the same skillset he had when he first came into the league. with that said, there are positives about him, and they all come from the defensive end when he isn't picking up silly fouls. out of all the warriors, he's the best at masquerading as a power foward even though he's a wing.

the whole basis of your argument is we love barnes.

sorry fella.. barnes has also been blacklisted now. He's not exactly a fan favorite anymore not the way he's been playing recently.

and I find it funny that you say Nellie likes him but Nellie also only plays Pietrus like 6 minutes a night before Biedins got injured.

You also forgot to mention that Pietrus ASKED to be traded. You are saying Pietrus reads our blogs and he wants to leave because of that or maybe its because Nellie doesn't like or trust Pietrus as much as you say? Is Nellie one of those boneheads who don't appreciate Pietrus?

you yourself sound like a angry know it all trying to educate us "boneheads." Maybe you are the one living in mommy's basement?  

ok when someone makes the same mistakes, and the same really stupid mistakes i.e. step out of bounds with a pivot foot, lift his foot before he dribbles, and turn the ball over in other ways, it gets irritating. to add to that, hes been doing it for a couple years now

he isnt fixing these flaws and they are middle school mistakes.

he also has a very very low basketball i.q. if he wasnt athletic, i dont think he would have anything going for him. that may sound dumb, but for example croshere is not athletic yet he knows what to do and where to be. i think you saw him last night

and also im disgusted with barnes. he was great in the playoffs and thats why many still like him. but thats wearing off  so that point of yours is also invalid.

I have always supported Pietrus, ive been a fan throughout all the bashing that goes on in this site. Props to you Dubmanny for expressing it. Usually i dont even want to get in to it on this board since i know exactly what the reaction would be; "he steps out of bounds alot, stupid fouls, etc.. see above post". but really people say he does this more than he actually does. Pietrus is better than Barnes in my opinion, and has been playing better than Buike lately too.

Its nice to have a guy like him on the team when so many others dont play an ounce of defense some nights. He always plays hard. On a team such as ours, we need a guy like that.

All you haters need to stop. How can you bash on Pietrus so hard when he is playin with heart and hustle and a guy like webber comes in and doesnt put out any effort, is slow, lazy, and overweight, and makes some really stupid pass turnovers. (hes suppossed to be a good passer). He has made numerous turnovers on outlet passes already after defensive boards.

i watch pietrus play, he does go out of bounds with his feet before driving. and he's 6 foot 6, he's been in the league for several years, why hasn't his dribbling improved? he could be a really good player if he could dribble like jackson.

I won't say Pietrus is a great player, and I still think he should be traded (if only because I don't want a player in my locker-room that doesn't want to be there). But that said, he ranks pretty high in my ideal rotation. In order of utility (both offensive and defensive):

1. Baron
   
2. Monta (would be first but for his defense)
   
3. Biedrins (more important defensively than Jax, in my opinion)
   
4. Jackson
   
5. Harrington (down recently, but in general a good scoring threat)
   
6. Wizard of AZ
   
7. Pietrus
   
8. Croshere
   
9. Watson
   
10. Barnes (wayyyy over-rated... he only has a stat-line because others set him up... his hustle is easily matched by any of the 4 players listed above)  
    

is the only one Nelly trust to pass inbounds on critical plays.

 The reason Pietrus gets branded as having a "low IQ" was about 2-3 years ago.

 I believe it was at the end of the game and the score was tied and Pietrus fouls someone. Derek Fisher throws his hands in the air and says something to Pietrus. Pietrus just shrugs and walks away. Player that was fouled makes his free throws and Warriors lose.

 Anyway, that game was when Fisher was on the team so my memory is somewhat sketchy. But if I remember correctly, since then Pietrus and low IQ have been somewhat synonymous with one another.

 "I want to be moved," said Pietrus, who will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season and has no plans of returning to Oakland. "I want to be moved. I want to be moved. I want to be traded."

why anyone would root for a player who doesnt even wanna be on your team is beyond me. im not a big fan of barnes either. but at least he pushes the tempo(kinda important)and DOESNT COMPLAIN about guarding 4's

but the fact of the matter is pietrus does have some very irritating and frustrating tendencies and I think the big key here is that we drafted him 11th Overall! At least for me personally, the frustration comes into play so often becuase a) he has so much potential and b) like stated earlier he simply has not gotten better or shown the commitment to do so, a wasted talent. The fact that Buike, an undrafted, d-league free agent pick up is even close in productivity to a former #11 pick demonstrates Pietrus' lack of development and maybe lack of work ethic.
          I would still rather have Buike on the court over Pietrus straight up. The one thing I will give Pietrus is that he does hustle, but sometimes it is hustling without a purpose, or like yesterday's game hustling after his own turnover. And Pietrus is a better defender, but the one thing that is overlooked is his fouling situation. It almost negates his defense as he puts the opposing team to the line early and often. He average nearly 3 FOULS a game in 17 MINUTES. That is fouling out in 34 minutes of play on average. He has to be tops in the league in fouls/minute. That is horrendous as that indicated he is either constantly out of position or he is being overly-aggressive . Half of the game is defense, but let's not forget the other half too, offense. Pietrus is one of the least productive offensive players on our team. He is so one-dimensional as all his points usually come off someone else creating for him an open 3 point shot in the corner. That is it, just standing at the 3 point line in the corner waiting for someone to create for him. And it would be fine if he was very efficient from that spot, but he is shooting an average 33% from the 3 point line and don't even get me started on the classic I'm open for the three but I'm going to dribble once and then shoot a step back, fade-away contested 3. He can't drive to the hoop and finish(without turning it over), he is not a great passer, he rarely gets offensive rebounds(.6 a game), and even if he does, doesn't finish the put back or he gets fouled and here comes a 63% free throw shooter to the line. At least Buike has a diverse offensive game. He moves without the ball, can create for himself, is a better 3 point shooter(39%), is more active on the offensive glass(1.3/ per game), and is a lot stronger finisher in traffic as well as a better free throw shooter(71%).
           So yes, Pietrus is a better defender, but I believe his defensive lapses and his ridiculous habit of fouling are large weaknesses for him on the defensive end. Add that to the fact that he is not a good or efficient offensive player, I would actually say maybe the worst on the team, and that he won't even be on the team next year, I think Buike should be getting more minutes than Pietrus, I would even say a lot more minutes.

about jackson dribbling the ball off his leg, I meant as far as being a competent enough ball handler that he can take over the point, also he has a nice crossover dribble and he can step b ack and shoot it. pietrus looks ackward as hell when he has the ball in his hands. if he could do some moves where he fakes and then dribbles once and shoots his game would improve remarkably.

I give Pietrus props when he deserves it, which if you go into the past couple game threads you'll see is true, but at the same time if he doesn't deserve it then he won't get it.

I know you've said that Pietrus was playing pretty good the  last couple of seasons but he hasn't shown up this year on the offensive end at all. That corner three used to be a given, now he can only hit it after he gets a LOT of confidence from a steal or a block or something.

And he does have a low basketball IQ. Take last game, around two minutes left, Warriors up by around 8-10 (can't remember exactly), and the Warriors just missed a shot. Someone on the Warriors gets a rebound, and gives it out to Pietrus, with there still being around 22 seconds on the shot clock. Pietrus shoots the three pretty much the instant he gets it. Now, it goes in, so one could say no harm no foul, but that's just not a smart basketball move. You would NEVER see Davis do that, I don't even think you'd see Jackson do that.

But I do appreciate the defensive effort, some of the blocks that Peach gets are unreal.

is overall better than pietrus period. dub manny, if you can tell me one reason why pietrus should be in the rotation other than his defence( we drafted him really high for his defense, so we should expect him to play great defense).Pietrus is a one demensional player with basically no moves in offense. him goin for the low percentage shot with that step back fade? the only person i compare him to right now is barnes. pietrus asks to be traded, i would never want someone on my team that doesnt want to be there. hell if monta asked to be trade, i would have to trade him and get someone who acually wants to play for us.
Face it. all your points are things we are expecting pietrus to do because we chose him as a lottery pick for his defense. he sucks. we shoulda traded him when we had a chance. he already had his chances to make up all his weaknesses a few years ago, but instead hes done nothing. still the occasional travel or step out of bounds, the constant fouls near the top of the key, and the "where do i go?" look when on offense. yes hes a good defensive player, hustles and can make alot of blocks, but it definetely doesnt make up on the offensive side of the floor. On your comment on buike, buike was undraftedand no body probably expected to see him do any good. look what he did when jackson was out. he was spectacular. His defense is probably not as good as pieturs, but its way bettr than montas. you shouldnt really hate on buike because i guarentee you if GSom puts a poll on who would u rather have on the rotation pieturs or buike, i bet you 80 percent would be buike. of course, were all not the coach, and of course nellie is still naive to play his young players. I bet you if pietrus was in the league for only 2 years, as much as azubuikes, nellie wouldnt even consider putting in pietrus. its the way he is. doesnt play them.

You can't be serious about giving MP love... outside of his athleticism and his defense he is a complete liability.

If I have to watch MP miss both FTs throws from the line (Seattle game / playoffs come to mind) -- I'm going to lose it. His FT percentage is horrible for a swingman. If that wasn't enough his assist to turnover ratio is pathetic (only ahead of Biedrins for rotation players).

MP was a lottery pick who was described as a 'French Jordan'. That's the reason for the 'hating' -- because he's a one dimensional player with little to no value in the league.

That's why he didn't get any free agent interest last year and why the W's didn't get any interesting trade offers for him.

The NBA is all about consistency -- in the last five games he's got 1, 0, 12, 0, 11 points respectively. 0 points in 26 minutes against Atlanta? Playing for the run-and-gun W's? That's pathetic. That's fans hate MP.

Your Tyrone Hill and TimBug arguments hold no water here. I look forward to the day that MP earns an all-star birth playing for a different NBA team.

     Much respect for dubmanny and jason since defending Pietrus here is like defending a sex offender trying to move into the neighborhood.

     I do think Pietrus is very valuable to this team, and Mulson think so too, or else we would've tried harder to trade Pietrus. But I think the fact that it's a contract year for him is affecting his play. He tries to get a steal or block every single time his opponent gets the ball instead of just playing solid defense. He has never did this in years past.

     The numbers back up my observation: 7.94 fouls/48 minutes this year, compared to 5.5 fouls/48 minutes his previous four years. Now Nellie does play him out of position at the four, but last year his average was only slightly more than his previous 3 years, at 5.54 fouls/48 minutes. Similarly, his change in defensive style is shown in his steals numbers. In the previous four years he averaged 1.49 steals/48 minutes, and under Nellie last year the average was actually down to 1.25 steals/48 minutes. This year, his average more than doubled to 2.74 steals/48 minutes. So his steals have increased by a much higher percentage than his fouls, but I'm not sure that is for the good of the team since he is capable of playing better solid, positional defense.  

      I'm not blaming the guy since he's in a contract year. You need to get numbers to get a big contract, and it's hard to get numbers when you're not playing that much, you're in a shooting slump, and you can't create easy baskets for yourself. Still, if he just could shoot the ball like last year he would help himself and the Warriors a lot. Last year he shot 48.8% from the field and 38.8% from the line. Both were career highs, so perhaps that was fluky. If so, he can still help this team on the defensive end. He's probably a more useful defender than Azubuike and Barnes right now; if not, I'm sure that he can be if he stops going for so many steals (I don't mean stop trying to steal completely, but he goes for a steal every single time).

     Some of the arguments against him I've seen are really irrational. Why does it matter if he's improved at all from his rookie year? What matters  to this team is what he's brings to the table today. It doesn't matter if what he brings to the table today is the exact same thing he's brought for the past five years, or better or worse. His work ethic will be relevant in deciding whether we want him as part of our future, but it shouldn't be a factor in whether to give him playing time over another player.  

     Also, he turns it over .7 times in 17.5 minutes per game this year. This is so low I don't see how people could complain about his turnovers (well actually I do, his turnovers can be retarded). Yes, his turnover rate is probably a little high compared to the number of times he gets to touch the ball, but since he's not touching the ball very often to begin with, there's very little damage he can do. Even if he got his turnovers down to a very respectable .5 per game, we're still only talking about a difference in one turnover every five games. His turnovers aren't really the game-deciding mistakes that many seem to make them out to be.

     When Pietrus is playing like he can, he's a vital cog in this machine. When he's not, he can be a detriment to the team. So we should probably play him every game and keep him in if he's having a good game... which is exactly what Nellie does.

he should not still be on this team. He came off his contract situation with a little bit of attitude and it shows in his play.
He overplays on defense which leads to him fouling and on offense he will sometimes force his shots or try to drive when he shouldn't. When his game is right, he is a defensive minded player first, and won't worry about getting the ball on the offensive end.
I think on a different team, he will once again be that player than can play lock down D and contribute consistently on offense. It just isn't going to happen here. Don't get me wrong he's had some games were he has played well defensively and is probably ahead of Barnes right now, but he is not playing his game every night.

is obviously just looking for attention. And no it's not a halfway decent point, because his points are, Pietrus tries hard, is bad because of the position he plays, was good UNTIL this year and then compares him to Tim Hardaway.