Rumor: Warriors Making a Run for Ron Artest

by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 6, 2008 1:56 PM PST in Rumors

Ric Bucher was on ESPN's Radio's Mike and Mike in the Morning show earlier today discussing the Shaq-Matrix deal between the Miami Heat and Phoenix Suns [2.6.08]. The juiciest part of the interview actually pertained to the Warriors though. Here's a transcription:

There was some weird rumor floating out there that the Warriors would make a run at Ron Artest. What was proposed out there doesn't work as far as numbers are concerned, but that's another team. The Warriors are another team that I could see going for broke and signing Chris Webber wouldn't be the end of it.

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A few thoughts after the jump!

UPDATE (4:23pm): Also check out GSoM friend TZ's thoughts about this rumor over at Sactown Royalty- Bucher: "Mumble Mumble Ron Artest Mumble Mumble Golden State Warriors"

I won't lie. I've wanted the Warriors to bring Artest to the Bay since 2005 when the rumor mill (for what it's worth) suggested that Chris Mullin wouldn't part with Ike Diogu in a trade with the Pacers to make it happen. We all know what happened a year later of course between the Warriors and Pacers when Mullin was finally willing to part with Ike.

I won't lie. I play with ESPN's Trade Machine dreaming up packages to bring Ron Artest to the Bay way more than I'd like to admit. You can probably guess from my recent interview question with Tom from Sactown Royalty.

I won't lie. If the Warriors can add Ron Artest to this squad before this year's trading deadline and it came down to it this summer, I'd probably hold onto him over Monta Ellis or Andris Biedrins (not both of course).

I won't lie. I see tons of benefits from adding Artest:

Ron-Ron's a stud. When his head is on straight he's one of the best two-way talents in the league. He's better than his stats would suggest.
There isn't a single player in the league who brings it nightly on both sides of the floor like Ron does. You think other teams and star players like playing against him? He's like that schoolyard bully you can't stand when he's punking you, but love when he's on your side.
If the JRich trade (which I still think was foolish for this year) helps facilate bringing Ron Artest to the Warriors in any way, like I said back then- it was a hiest.
If there's anyone who can use Ron right, it's Nellie. I've heard Nellie laud Artest's game on The Don Nelson show on KNBR with The Razor and Mr. T on more than one occasion. I don't think it's a secret that Nellie thinks highly of his two-way game.
Chris Mullin really knows how to buy low on the trade market (e.g. Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson) and come out as a big winner.
Stephen Jackson has already shown he's (ready to throw) down with Artest.
Baron Davis and Artest go way back.
After BD's recent snubbing, I just have this feeling that the best thing for this team is to get a whole bunch of people who have a chip on their shoulders together on the hardwood.
Fantasy Junkie and I on IM today:

FJ: barnes, jax, baron, artest? talk about a hot head team
Atma: haha it would be wild
FJ: i'd be scared to play against them
Atma: they'd scare so many soft teams. think the mavs, suns, spurs want to see that?
FJ: not at all
DJ Fuzzy Logic on IM after hearing the rumor:

hahaha
yea, another crazy dude on the warriors
only nellie can harness that craziness

I won't lie. If the Warriors can add Ron-Ron at a reasonable cost this year, you'd have to think of them as championship contenders... and it's been quiet a long time since you could say that about the Dubs. Decades long.

Like De La Soul would say STAKES IS HIGH. The West is loaded but the Warriors are only 5 games out of 1st place in the mighty West. It's time to go all in.

I'm know I'm in. I'm sure Nellie, CWebb, Boom, are Jack are all in. Are you?

Does Artest in a Dubs jersey make sense? Would it vault them to the level of a championship contender?

Also see: Rumor: Warriors Interested in Ron Artest

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Final Artest bonus

At about $7 million per season, he's as good a bargain there is in the NBA.

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by Ben Q Rock on Feb 6, 2008 2:02 PM PST 0 recs

word

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 6, 2008 9:37 PM PST up 0 recs

Love to see it

but i don't want to think about what we would need to give up to get him. Because of how well they know Nellie's system and work within it, I would take Monta and Beans off the table. Some sort of combo of Piertus, Harrington, POB and maybe even B. Wright (strike now while that nasty one hand spike is still fresh in people's minds).

I'm for it, but at the right price.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Feb 6, 2008 2:15 PM PST 0 recs

asdf

David Stern and Co. probably would block this trade anyways. He would be too afraid of NBA's image to have Jack and Artest on the same team after the Palace Incident.

and you know for that reason I would love for this trade to go down.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Feb 6, 2008 2:41 PM PST up 0 recs

ya reuniting them in Oakland with BD

definition of powder keg

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 6, 2008 9:38 PM PST up 0 recs

i will

be so pissed if denver ends up getting him. warriors got snubbed enough already this year. lol and lets bring back reggie miller too, he was in the pacers like 3 years ago too. we got half their players anyway lol

by baller90210 on Feb 6, 2008 2:16 PM PST 0 recs

A Trade that Works

There was a "bogus diary" that got deleted on here before, I guess it wasn't so bogus after all.

Here's a trade, catered around that rumor, that would work in terms of the numbers:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=556~3190~167~3019~3021~2173&teams=9~23 ~23~23~23~23&te=25:9-1018&cash=

Throw in a couple of Sacramento's garbage minimum players here and there to even out the roster spots, and you have a deal that works under the CBA.

I'm not exactly sure on how intent Sacramento is on blowing up their team like that (they aren't as bad as we think), but this trade would give them 2 young talents on cheap contracts (Belinelli and Perovic), $6.4million in expiring contracts, and $7.4million in immediate cap relief via JRich TPE (for comparison's sake, this is a better deal than what Memphis got for Gasol). If this is really what Sacramento wants to do, and they want to shed Brad Miller's contract with 3years/$33+mil remaining, this would be a smart route to go.

Our depth chart could look something like this:

Baron / Payton / Watson
Jackson / Ellis / Azubuike
Artest / Jackson / Barnes
Webber / Harrington / Wright
Biedrins / Miller / Webber

That is one deep team that could do some things in the playoffs.

by jlagace on Feb 6, 2008 2:26 PM PST 0 recs

Cohan

And if we do make a deep run into the playoffs with this squad, maybe Cohan will break the bank a little and venture into the luxury tax in order to re-sign Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins in the offseason?

by jlagace on Feb 6, 2008 2:29 PM PST up 0 recs

I'd definitely go with that

Like I said in my other post, I'd give up anybody except monta and beans(and throw in wright in there too). They'd get a bunch of young players w/ small contracts in that deal, it works both ways.

Give me Ron Ron, or give me death!

by sup3rk1ng on Feb 6, 2008 2:33 PM PST up 0 recs

I don't see Sac accepting this deal

The "2 young talents" aren't good enough. If we put Wright in for Bellinelli maybe. Miller's deal isn't really that bad considering how well he's playing.

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 6, 2008 9:45 PM PST up 0 recs

ehhh

i don't like it. he's to volatile. i would not give up anybody in the rotation outside of michael pietrus for him, honestly. he'll play with us for one season and then what? he's going to go chase the money that we can't give him. in my mind harrington is out of the question for artest. only if we have some sort of guarantee from him for an extension would he be worth it.

by bigbenny11 on Feb 6, 2008 2:27 PM PST 0 recs

Well

he did re-sign back with the Kings, didn't he? And they suck.

I would not question Ron Rons loyality, he seems to be down for his teams. If we get him this year, we got him locked, he's not going anywhere.

Put a little mustard on it

by The Barnes Supremacy on Feb 6, 2008 2:40 PM PST up 0 recs

I wouldn't give up monta or beans for him

It just wouldn't be worth it for them. They have too much talent, we'd be getting ripped off big time. I do want him on our team though. I think a deal straight up for the trade exception, then a separate trade for POB or Pietrus for anyone they want to get rid of. I think that would be fair and help both teams out. Artest is too much history to warrant any big time talent like monta for him.

Give me Ron Ron, or give me death!

by sup3rk1ng on Feb 6, 2008 2:30 PM PST 0 recs

ahh

it's getting hard, that was a pretty good article on artest, maybe i'm just not giving that man his proper due. but if cohan was willing to keep biedrins and monta with artest, then i'd be for it. i just don't want him to come at the expense of one of our two young studs.

by bigbenny11 on Feb 6, 2008 2:36 PM PST 0 recs

Too many 2/3's + No Al @ the 4?

First and foremost, I love Ron's game and intensity. I think he'd be a great fit with Jax and Baron. I do question, though, the ability of the Warriors to get sufficient minutes for Monta, Jax, Ron, Barnes, and Azubuike at the 2/3 spots, and the team would seem very thin up top with only the newly activated CWebb, Andris, and the occasional Croshere/BWright at the 4/5. I guess the W's would be counting on Ron to play big and try to exploit the mismatches. If we did trade for Artest, I sure hope the Kings would take the Pietrus/POB/Perovic pu pu platter!!

by Bucky on Feb 6, 2008 2:38 PM PST 0 recs

Ron Ron

would definitely play the 4 for us if we acquired him

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 6, 2008 9:46 PM PST up 0 recs

what i came up with

but i guess not original
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3019~3021~2173~25&teams=23~23~23~9& ;te=&cash=

Giving a shout out to Mr. Mean, Purvis Short, J.B. Carrol, Bernard and of course, Mr. Bill King

by World Sleepy King on Feb 9, 2008 1:21 PM PST up 0 recs

The big factor

To me, the most significant question is whether or not the Warriors could lock up Artest beyond this year, which could be by him not opting out or some sort of extension.

It'd be insane to dump some talent for a rent-a-player with how beastly the West is, but I'm fine if it becomes a long-term thing.

Other factor: How many emotionally unstable guys can you have on one team?

by dprodigy19 on Feb 6, 2008 2:46 PM PST 0 recs

Seems ludicrous

and is, but it depends on what Sacto's goal is. Are they trying to dump salary of horrendous players? Because, one contract jumps out: Abdur-Rahim.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3190~167~3021~2173~1782~3&teams=23~23~ 23~23~23~9&te=25:9-1018&cash=

They get young guys (Perovic, Belinelli), expiring (Croshere, Pietrus), some dude I've never heard of, and drop $13MM of contracts over the next few years...which would be a net of like $10MM for them. Not too shabby. The value they receive is in youth and shedding contracts.

Ours is self-explanatory.

by noava22 on Feb 6, 2008 3:33 PM PST 0 recs

Mladen Sekularac

never heard of him. When'd we draft this guy?

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/mladensekularac.htm

Sounds like our secret weapon, haha.

by noava22 on Feb 6, 2008 3:37 PM PST up 0 recs

ahh, got him in the dampier trade

http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/709/mladen_sekularac/

got it.

by noava22 on Feb 6, 2008 3:40 PM PST up 0 recs

jax davis artest barnes

thats a thuggish lineup right there. i like.

webber can add in his scowl if he likes lol.

we'd be pistons west.

by dso on Feb 6, 2008 3:47 PM PST 0 recs

and

they play in oakland. reminds me of the riot that occured after a raiders game years ago lol

gangstas

by vietnameezboy on Feb 6, 2008 3:50 PM PST up 0 recs

Gangstas

That's what will be, shoot I think Artest would make us dangerous.

Can you imagine Monta, Artest, and Jackson double teaming the opposing big, our defensive and rebounding problems would be solved.

Jackson is a great defender already, having Artest would make us and even better defensive team.

I could see it now: Artest stripping people, and thowing outlet passes to a break-away Monta for a Jam.

I just worry about Ron's Offense, b/c he loves to run Iso's for himself. Which, often leads to bad shots and Turnovers. Jackson is a victim of this too, but he is a much better shooter than artest.

I think this would be worth a shot, as long as the King's don't ask for a King's Ransom.

It's startling how so many people watch basketball, yet so few actually play it.

by 3 The Hard Way on Feb 6, 2008 4:04 PM PST up 0 recs

I'd Like Artest But....

...I still don't see why Sacramento would trade to a divisional rival - can anyone tell me why Sac would do it, even if we had the best offer?

by Hoopachoo on Feb 6, 2008 4:19 PM PST 0 recs

22-24 Just isn't gonna cut it

Sacramento has a slim chance of making the playoffs. I think they are just going to cut their loses and rebuild for the 08'-09' campaign, hence all the Bibby trade rumors. Besides you gotta strike when the iron is hot, theres no way they want to carry these contracts over into next season.

by bsmithinc on Feb 6, 2008 4:33 PM PST up 0 recs

hmmmm

if they trade works out its gonna be crazy....
we should trade the heats for cash and their first round pick for pob and petrius though

by 8monta on Feb 6, 2008 4:21 PM PST 0 recs

I'm for it....

Just give the haters another reason to dislike the Dubs. My buddies and I always joke about what players the Warriors should try to get, and Artest's name always pops up. Granted it would create some playing time problems and I don't exactly know a resonable trade that would work out in the end, but I enjoy entertaining the idea. But while I'm on the subject of trading for players fans love to hate, dare I say Rasheed Wallace? It would never happen, but I can dream right?

by bsmithinc on Feb 6, 2008 4:29 PM PST 0 recs

D'Antoni

whether we get artest and we flame on or flame out, are CWebb's signing and this never-ending rumor not signs that GSW is about to pull out all the stops? Is Mullin abandoning all the vaunted flexibility and future for one marginal shot at the brass ring for his old coach? Is Nelson in his last season? Much as I hate to, we might start thinking about the next coach.

it might not be smart

in Phoenix, a certain run&gun coach just got handed the ultimate Lincoln Continental which is going to force them to abandon a great deal of his philosophy

is it possible that D'Antoni would be available when we need to replace Nelson, and if he is would you pass on him for smart?

just wondering

by hardcore on Feb 6, 2008 4:41 PM PST 0 recs

another artest trade idea

i don't think i have posted this season yet, but after listening to that interview this morning, i came straight here and started working the trade machine...

i agree that the only good that can come from the j-rich trade would be receiving a veteran like artest for the TPE mullin is still sitting on. also, i am not sure why sacramento has not pulled the trigger on dumping player salary yet, but they are not competing and they have young talent to build on so they should make at least 3 or 4 moves immediately.

i never think trading directly with a division rival is a good idea, but helping them achieve their trade goals is ok by me as long as it doesnt make them better immediately and we achieve our goals too. plus, how many teams actually want artest except denver? what can denver do for sacramento?

so here is my trade scenario:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=167~3019~2173~61~556~193~933~406~601~796&a mp;teams=23~5~14~5~14~9~23~14~23~23&te=3196:5-904~25:9-1018&cash=

i am not positive about health status of each player in this scenario, but we have two teams that want to compete in seperate conferences and two teams that would be wise to dump salary commitments so they can reset for next year.

with weber, beidrins, harrington and barnes, i do not agree that we need to bring in another big man and perovic should probably start getting the garbage time since nellie seems to hate o'bryant. i also think davis is going to make it 82 games this year so with him and watson at the pg spot we still have a hole in the rotation that currently wears the number 2. in fact, even with the addition of artest, you still have to be worried about possible injury to either artest, jackson, or ellis so artest may not be enough of a talent injection.

ricky davis is not my favorite player, but he can run circles around pietrus.

p.s. happy b-day gsom!!

by stedanko on Feb 6, 2008 4:48 PM PST 0 recs

how could i forget kalenna?

obviously, kalenna is a huge strength to our wing positions, but he is still a work in progress compared to pietrus who is a certified bust!

by stedanko on Feb 6, 2008 4:58 PM PST up 0 recs

why

would sacramento want that trade?

by BD4mvp on Feb 6, 2008 8:22 PM PST up 0 recs

what else can they do?

i don't want the kings to be a successful in rebuilding their franchise, but it seems clear that artest will leave and this team will remain unable to compete until they rebuild. trading these 3 players will allow the kings to do that most quickly; before summer '09.

they could wait on both bibby and miller until next season, but from the owner's perspective, the kings have a very expensive roster this season with very few sellouts. plus, niether player will be worth MORE in trade value next season compared to this season. cleveland wants bibby now and if the kings wait, they may find themselves without a trading partner for bibby's services. will they extend him again? would you? miami can use miller this year and next year with marion coming to town, but i have no idea who would accept him next season.

sacramento would love to dump kenny thomas, but it won't happen this season and i doubt they could get anyone to accept shareef this season either. those 2 contracts are almost as bad as the foyle contract that cohan had to buy out last summer.

i suppose it comes down to motivation of the kings ownership and gm, but it can be argued that a change is needed for any team unable to compete for playoff position after 2+ seasons with 5 players making over $45MM(& 7 making over $55MM).

by stedanko on Feb 6, 2008 9:40 PM PST up 0 recs

All I have to say is...

Monta, Baron, Jax, Artest, and Harrington. Wowoweewa, I dare anyone to try and keep up with that team. Artest can guard the 4 spot and we know Harrington can guard the 5. That leaves us with 5 skilled players with 3 point range. Nellie would have a field day! Get him and get him now! We would be the hardest team in the league and Artest would fit right in with the chip on their shoulders warriors. We just got to make sure no beer gets near Ronny.

by garin423 on Feb 6, 2008 4:48 PM PST 0 recs

lol

that won't happen in ORACLE

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Feb 6, 2008 5:07 PM PST up 0 recs

Harrington

Harrington is really an average defender at the 5, with the exception of when he guards Yao.

by allonyou on Feb 6, 2008 5:52 PM PST up 0 recs

wasn't artest's rap album called

tru warrior or something.

welcome home.

by dso on Feb 6, 2008 5:10 PM PST 0 recs

tru warier, even

i'm not sure if we'd send ron to the elementary schools to promote Reading is FUNdamental, but i'd love to see the team. just think, if we don't win the championship, we might implode and begin another 13 years without the playoffs!

;)

i'd still stay we go for it, though.

by OaktownWarrior on Feb 6, 2008 5:26 PM PST up 0 recs

oh yeah and may i add

f*ck boozer i dare you to try and post us inside again.

by dso on Feb 6, 2008 5:10 PM PST 0 recs

For Al, straight up,,,plus the TPE?

Works on Trade Machine, gets rid of Al's inconsistency. And you know Nellie would play him at the 4 in a heartbeat!

big
Baron Davis
Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest
Chris Webber
Andris Biedrins

small
Monta Ellis
Baron Davis
Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest
Chris Webber/Beans

run N fun
Monta Ellis
Baron Davis
Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest
Brandan Wright :0

Of course I would rather keep Al, if we can!

Monta Ellis
Baron Davis
Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest
Al Harrington

Baron Davis
Stephen Jackson
Ron Artest
Al Harrington/Webber
Andris Biedrins/Webber

Bench

CJ
Buke
Barnes
Webber/Harrington/Biedrins

by buhdydub on Feb 6, 2008 5:17 PM PST 0 recs

How does trading for Al do anything for Sac?

by Zig on Feb 6, 2008 8:48 PM PST up 0 recs

I bet this one goes down

I think the resigning of Webber is already having adverse effects on some of the other guys, particularly Al Harrington:

"No, I'm not OK with it," Harrington said of his duties as a three-point specialist. "But that's what Coach asked of me, and that's what's going to keep me on the court, so that's what I'm going to do.

...

Coach Don Nelson makes no apologies for his single-minded sense of purpose when it comes to Harrington. And with the recent addition of forward-center Chris Webber, Harrington probably will venture into the paint even less."

from: http://origin.mercurynews.com/warriors/ci_8183202

It almost feels like the stage is getting set for some exits. I doubt if AB and Wright are feeling all warm and fuzzy about Nellie's ooozing of Chris Webber because no matter what they say, you know it is going to come down to them playing less.

But I do think Artest would be a good addition - I've always liked him and I think the rekindling of him and Jackson on the same team would result in some major powerhouse points.

by centerre on Feb 6, 2008 7:11 PM PST 0 recs

diary-worthy

One word note to Al. Rebound. If you don't want to be a perimeter only player, than go in and box out. He just doesn't do it consistently. I don't know why he can't be a double double machine.

by eshock on Feb 7, 2008 12:17 AM PST up 0 recs

Agreed

what a waste of a blessed body. It's like he doesn't realize how big he is.

by flaaron on Feb 7, 2008 6:47 AM PST up 0 recs

dude

he is instructed to stay out and pop the 3. it keeps the big man that is forced to guard him honest, and he's hitting over 40%.

by GameSix on Feb 7, 2008 9:27 AM PST up 0 recs

let's do it

Could you imagine NBA finals with our Warriors against the Detroit Pistons? Artest, Jackson, Webber ....

by shootda3 on Feb 6, 2008 7:15 PM PST 0 recs

Ron Ron!

Make it happen! Ron Ron is the NBA's version of Terrell Owens. Pure entertainment. After the brawl Artest has simmered down significantly. I agree with the posts above saying that he is one of the best players on both sides of the ball. If we want to get better than an 8th seed we could use Ron Artest, not an aging gary payton. Honestly I'd rather have Carlos Arroyo than GP.

by ZenMaster on Feb 6, 2008 7:22 PM PST 0 recs

Hmm...

After the trades that have been going down recently I won't even pretend to know what Sacramento would be hoping for. I also don't know how highly the Dubs front office thinks of Artest, but I'll give the whole situation my best guess.

Sacramento:
If I'm the Kings GM, I would love to unload one of their bad contracts in an Artest trade(Thomas 3yr @ 7.9 mil, and Reef 3yr @ 5.8 mil).

As far as talent coming back, you have to wonder what state of mind they are in. Are they thinking rebuild or retool? If they think they have a shot at the playoffs (haha) they might take back a long term contract on a productive player (Harrington), but I'm guessing not.

Best case would be something like:
Cap relief, up to about 10-15 mil in expirings and or exceptions
Draft picks
Young prospects, preferably productive with at least a couple years left on their rookie deal

for
Ron and Thomas/'Reef

With Ron-Ron's history and the other deals that have been made I highly doubt that they get that.

If they can get a fraction of that cap relief and some combo of picks and prospects, they probably jump on it.

Warriors:
From the Warriors perspective we could offer them cap relief and prospects/picks, but would it be worth it? We could offer (as some have proposed) a few of our expiring contracts(POB, MP,Croshere) and a couple cheap prospects(Marco, Kosta) for Reef. Then in a separate deal we give up a pick for Artest, using the TPE to absorb his contract. Would this be enough? Who knows, but it would offer them some serious financial relief and some youth with upside.

Where would this leave us? Well we would be pretty beastly for the rest of the season. We would not be giving up anything we really use, but we would be risking our future and possibly creeping into the Lux tax this year (I haven't really checked).

If Artest opts out and leaves we would still be stuck with Reef's (or Thomas) deal which would make it very difficult to keep our young guys (AB,Monta,Buke) without heading into serious Lux tax territory and we wouldn't even have Artest. If he decided to stay it means we would have to make some very tough choices at years end. Beans or Monta...

I have tried to be as objective as possible, but it's only fair that I say I am not an Artest fan. He has caused problems everywhere he has been and although he is a rare talent on defense, he is a total ball-stopper on offense (not a good match for us). But I can't lie though I would love to watch Baron, Jack, Artest, Barnes and AB play defense together.

. WERD

by olympicmike on Feb 6, 2008 7:48 PM PST 0 recs

I agree with this

not worth it

I think Artest is actually a borderline personality/mentally ill

by Zig on Feb 6, 2008 8:50 PM PST up 0 recs

If they

do trade for Artest, then at least there will be one good thing: no more "Let's trade for Ron Artest" threads every single week.

by semarubaka on Feb 6, 2008 8:01 PM PST 0 recs

if it does happen...

It should happen in the next couple of days, if not 2mrw. I mean they are playing the Kings on saturday, so I am sure that may weigh in on the decision if any if its really gonna happen. I would love it to happen, but i doubt it. I mean look at the trades we have made in the past, nobody expected them, and there were barely any rumors about it. Mullin is good at dumping out the garbage and bringing in some gems, so hopefully he will make another good move.

by celicadriven27 on Feb 6, 2008 8:35 PM PST 0 recs

LOL

well how about that.

by ArtestJackson08 on Feb 7, 2008 1:15 AM PST 0 recs

IT... COULD... WORK!!!

It worked to trade Belinelli, O'Bryant, Pietrus and cash compensation on Trade Machine. Can you imagine the W's if it did go down? We automatically become one of the three most feared teams in the league, unquestionably.

Davis
Ellis
Jackson
Webber (He ain't dead yet, mofos!!)
Biedrins

Artest [He'd be our Dennis Rodman, minus the whole marrying himself thing :^)]
Azubuike
Barnes
Croshere
Harrington
Perovic
Watson
Wright (He'll either be on the trading block or our Josh Smith in the next couple of years)

by DABayBoi on Feb 7, 2008 6:14 AM PST 0 recs

... and one more thing I just thought of...

Plus, I just realized, we'd have room on our roster, and we could sign Gary Payton as another back up for Baron (or should I say sign GP and have Watson as another backup?).

by DABayBoi on Feb 7, 2008 6:19 AM PST up 0 recs

We're not signing Gary Payton.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Feb 7, 2008 12:42 PM PST up 0 recs

ron ron

possibly mentally ill...would fit right in in bay area :)
Can rebound and defend and shoot 3's

Big question is sac management as dumb as memphis'?

Would give TPE, POB, Pietrius, cash and/or a 2nd rounder for Ron and SA or KT..

Thoughts?

by 11allstar on Feb 7, 2008 1:05 PM PST 0 recs

Pull the trigger...

I think you have to make this trade even if you have to give up Wright to do it. If Nellie, Baron and Jax can keep him in line, his defense is just too important to the team's success. Especially in the playoffs. Sure losing Gumby might hurt five years from now, but getting Artest I think would make them a legitimate championship contender for a few years. I just don't see BWright making that kind of impact while Baron and Jax are still in their primes.

My first ever Warriors game was a 4 OT victory against the Nets in 1987.

by AngryVader on Feb 7, 2008 5:29 PM PST up 0 recs

On singing Artest

I think signing Artest would be a great move. Although, it depends who would need to be traded. If it's more than a straight up trade and possibly a 2nd round draft pick, then I'd be hesitant.

by blkdiemend on Feb 7, 2008 6:32 PM PST 0 recs

1st Rounder

They can give up their first-round pick. Why not, the Warriors don't play their rookies no way!

by DABayBoi on Feb 7, 2008 6:52 PM PST up 0 recs

It's still all a money question

Win now or win later?

All of the below is contingent on Cohan not being willing to eat luxury tax.

Trading for Ron Ron will eat up cap space which we need to re-sign most of our players (Monta, Beans, Buke, Barnes, etc.). Signing Ron Ron will likely mean losing Monta, Beans, or multiple others. This is going to kill our future. If we trade away some of our rookies, we're just further depleting our team.

If we want to keep any of the youngsters, we need to let the TPE expire, wait till the offseason to go after anyone, and just accept the obvious: that we are going to go after the championship with this obviously flawed team.

I'm 100% sure Mullin is thinking long term. Nelly and BD may disagree, but long term isn't that far off. If BWright is as advertised, and as he's shown, he'll be a productive member of the team in 1-2 years. Kosta might make his 43PER felt on a more consistent basis in 2 years. Monta and Beans are going to mature further, and if BD sticks around for two more years, we'll have a monster. Nelly is another question, but if you look at Dallas, it's not such a bad thing to have a team created by Nelly and then run by somebody who can give the team a defensive attitude.