OPEN THREAD: Warriors vs Kings

by Hash on Feb 9, 2008 3:34 PM PST in Previews

Y'all better be fired up!!

Warriors (W-L): 29-20

Kings (W-L): 23-25

Time: 7:30PM PST tip off

TV:FSN

Vegas Odds: Golden State by 7 (source: yahoo.com)

Nothin like a good ol' fashioned Norcal showdown to compliment a relaxing Saturday night.

Tonight the Dubs will be facing our neighbors to the north (alliteration what?!) as the Kings trek down to Roaracle. It should be interesting to watch C-Webb log some minutes on the floor against a team with which he spent many of his better years. Truth be told, I'm not really expecting a whole lot out of Chris for a while though. It's likely going to take him more than a few games to get back his rhythm, timing, and whatever speed he has left in his tank. Incidentally, no one would be happier than me if I were proven wrong on that previous statement.

So what about the game tonight? Chalk it up in the W column? Put it in the books? Count it?

Riiiiight. JUMP!

I think you know by now that there is no such thing as a guaranteed win for the Warriors. And even if there was, tonight wouldn't fit into that category. The Kings are 2 games below .500 (trust me, we've lost to worse) and have a roster full of weapons.

Not only is Sac coming in with the threats that are Martin, Ron Ron, and Bibby (arguably not as threatening right now as he has been in the past), they're coming in with confidence. (They've won 5 of their past 6 games.)

Meanwhile, the Dubs on the other hand are probably still wondering how the hell they lost to a limping Bulls team at home. My thoughts? They're going to need to come out strong from the start and put this game away early. It's going to be tough going if they have to go back and forth with the Kings for 48 minutes tonight. Tonight's game needs to serve as a much needed confidence booster for the Warriors to get back on track.

Either way, I'll be planted on my couch in my fat guy pants (everyone should own a pair) with some icy ones, the remote, and my laptop (open thread!). God I love Saturdays.

Be sure to swing by and say hello to our friends at Sactown Royalty and drop your thoughts on the game as well!

Predictions:
* Bibby gets confused and dishes to Webber at least once.
* Baron recovers from a subpar game against the Bulls and goes for a double double with 20+ points.
* C-Webb breaks 10 points. (C'mooooooon Chris!)
* Warriors by 8.

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Since the all-star game is just around the corner

LOL- best 2 hours spent!

... Crash the all-star game! (debuting at the Oracle arena!)

by Tony.psd on Feb 9, 2008 3:44 PM PST reply actions

haha

awesome stuff

by Blitz6k on Feb 9, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions

oo damn

this is sick
you should make a poster for it

by 8monta on Feb 10, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions

You're too good

Tony.psd is my hero.

then we will fight in the shade.

by Swamp Thing on Feb 9, 2008 6:32 PM PST up reply actions

that's way too awesome

I'm cereal!

Thunder!!!

by PHUT! on Feb 9, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions

Fix

I doubt the Nets are 23-25.
You should fix that.

and the above Sign made me laugh.

by gby822 on Feb 9, 2008 3:49 PM PST reply actions

what????

we're playing the nets? i thought we're playing the kings today

by vietnameezboy on Feb 9, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions

LOL

Predictions:
* Bibby gets confused and dishes to Webber at least once.

by vietnameezboy on Feb 9, 2008 3:51 PM PST reply actions

can't for the game

gonna be my first experience in the lower bowl

He never stopped running!!!

by J2daZ on Feb 9, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions

trust

barnett... good players don't have two bad games. Baron will own this one.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 3:56 PM PST reply actions

the Kings

are playing really well. I hope Nelly learned something from last game....

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Feb 9, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions

gonna be tough tonight

sac just beat the jazz who've absolutely owned us in recent memory. much respect for what reggie theus has done over there in macramento. i remember watching that fool on nbc back in the day on hangtime. he seems to be getting the most out of all his players, never thought brad miller would see a resurgence, udrih playing out of his mind, salmons has had some decent stats this year. i think his fg% is up there with ellis amongst guards. not to mention they got martin and artest coming back now.. all in all, theus should be up there in c.o.y. honors if season ended today.

baron needs a bounce back game, harrington and barnes really need to find a way to get involved, and like barnett says, jackson just needs to slow down and let the game come to him. he's making himself too involved in the offense when he should use his great passing ability to defer to our other great weapons out there.

lastly, will biedrins hold on to the ball in the lane tonight? and will we convert our layups? unlike against, as chris farley and george wendt would say, "da bulls!"

maybe nellie will do something crazy tonight to shake things up, like start B. Wright.

also, going back to the wright nick names, some people were clamoring for "b. wright." in that monster dunk he looked pretty light on his feet, and may be a beacon in the lane for a long time to come, why not combine those, throw in the word light and shrink b. wright to bright.
from now on he's "light bright." whadya think?

by automatyk1 on Feb 9, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions

hmm

I still like 'flight wright'

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Feb 9, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions

The "2 for 1 Kings Gorilla Jinx"

is in full effect:

by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 9, 2008 5:13 PM PST reply actions

Jeezzz...

After that last effort, I'm not expecting much tonight. Baron looked injured out there. The guards were blowing by him like he wasn't there ... and making layups.

We'll soon see.

by soem on Feb 9, 2008 5:42 PM PST reply actions

same as always

if we come out strong we'll win. if not, we'll lose or have to try to steal it at the end

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 6:04 PM PST reply actions

guys

i like the references back to my diary
and the FLIGHT WRIGHT nickname.
good stuff.

Also i like the dubs chances for tonight.

FLIGHT WRIGHT TO THE RIM!

The Beginning of the "We Believe" Movement of Melbourne, Australia.

by DoomBizzle on Feb 9, 2008 6:45 PM PST reply actions

James White

James White is already nicknamed "Flight".

I pray i never have to use a gun again.

by ssmokinjoe on Feb 9, 2008 7:24 PM PST reply actions

anybody else

kinda feel like starting a leon powe movement? haha hes doing pretty well in place of garnett right now

by lowchi on Feb 9, 2008 7:30 PM PST reply actions

Not really

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 7:42 PM PST up reply actions

uuh oh

i see that women ref violet... i predict a loss now.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 7:42 PM PST reply actions

best ref in the nba

not

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions

4

fouls in 2 minutes..wow

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 7:48 PM PST reply actions

Two

of those go to Monta..not good

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions

Oh. My. God.

Viola Palmer AND Dick Bavetta? This is going to be a long night.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 7:49 PM PST reply actions

kings

had 50 freethrows last night... snooze fest

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions

making layups

thats a good sign

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 7:50 PM PST reply actions

baron

layups are going in... thats a weight off my chest.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 7:50 PM PST reply actions

lol

nellie wants webber to start because he's old

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 7:53 PM PST reply actions

Hmm, Beans

coming off the bench and likely getting a cut in his minutes in a contract year after already playing well, sounds to me like they're just lower the price of his next contract.

by greala on Feb 9, 2008 7:53 PM PST reply actions

beans not starting

is a joke. plain and simple

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 7:54 PM PST reply actions

how about playing some defense...

bibby getting to the rim at will

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 7:58 PM PST reply actions

Which is why

you need Biedrins patrolling the lane, as Webber can't get there.

by greala on Feb 9, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions

that's my exhibit a

for y beans not starting is a joke. there's no one to protect the rim

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions

webber

is so slow on defense

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:00 PM PST reply actions

inteeresting

4 quick fouls and then no more called.. hopefully this continues on *knocks on wood*

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:03 PM PST reply actions

baron

is slumping hard

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 8:04 PM PST reply actions

warriors are soooo

lucky that artest turned it over. shoulda just let it go out of bounds.

by jchao204 on Feb 9, 2008 8:04 PM PST reply actions

any

links to watch the game??
thnks

by UKgswfan on Feb 9, 2008 8:07 PM PST reply actions

check here

http://golf.cautela.nl/showthread.php?t=14810&page=33

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions

go to

go to myp2p forums in the NBA section. should be easy to find

by jchao204 on Feb 9, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions

here

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/8uKs2a0ga3wWXnNm6v7FWcwHAvEiIUbmKjD1d!3qiYduK3Kag1u*i88xNExnj7S h6t5wKC44D5bzpALkxB*eziJ53NRGDpUehmES!spSXqowC9hXgR82CCZtVOQo4XQE?e=.asx

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions

link

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions

omg

i cant believe it... refs didnt call anymore reach in fouls on the warriors after the first 4 in 2 minutes.... *knock on wood*

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:09 PM PST reply actions

Why can't the Warriors just do this?

They didn't play spectacular, they just played solid, and they have a 9 point lead. If they just played like this in every first quarter (besides the gaping holes that Sac's cutters are finding) then at worst they'd be down by a few points. No large deficits to come back from though.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 8:10 PM PST reply actions

cause

our layups werent going in

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions

i think it has more to do

w/ artest & kmart missing open jumpers.

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions

wowow

pietrus is coming in... not azubuike.. prepare for the frreakin fouling fest.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 8:13 PM PST reply actions

udrih flopped wtf

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 8:13 PM PST reply actions

watson in

yay!!... pietrus in?

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:14 PM PST reply actions

pietrus in?

NOOOOOO!

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 8:14 PM PST up reply actions

ironic

watson misses his 3 and pietrus makes his..

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions

we should all just be glad

he didn't step out of bounds

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions

That

wasn't even close to being a foul on Monta. That was a killer for his 3rd foul

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 8:14 PM PST reply actions

we look

like lost sheep without baron

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:22 PM PST reply actions

another

pietrus specatcular mistake? hell yeah!

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 8:23 PM PST reply actions

Did Pietrus steal your girlfriend or something?

what was the mistake? what was so spectacular?

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:26 PM PST up reply actions

how about

passing up a wide open layup to jackson who got a 3 blocked

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions

well

he had a wide ass open layup, pass it out? even bob n jim [pointed it out. he couldof done another dunk like what he did the other night but nope.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions

wow, he passed the ball!

I guess you're right, That was freakin' spectacular. C'mon guys, you spend too much hate on the 8th man the rotation.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions

dude

wide open layup..

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions

channel the hate

it wasn't worth the effort to kill the guy for that. had no effect on the game.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions

exsactly why

he was taken out of the game after his charge call.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions

yeah

but he's not the only warrior that does this. Actually, Baron does it the most. It's like you guys can't be happy unless you got someone to hate on. Guaranteed, even if Pietrus leaves, you'll find some other bench guy to berate.

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 8:57 PM PST up reply actions

acually

i think us GUYS would celebrate for few weeks if he leaves.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions

don't worry

he'll be gone by the end of the season. i'm just saying your joy won't last long b/c you'll just find someone else to hate on.

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions

lol

there will be alsays someone everybody doesnt really like in every team. unfortunatly, pietrus, being in the league for what, 4-5 years and hasnt improved his game one bit. ill be very happy when he leaves and stop having warriors step out of bounds like he just did.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions

Nellie plays him because he helps the team

Don Nelson has over 1,000 NBA wins. I think he knows what he's doing. Plus Pietrus has got a very reasonable salary and he's the 8th man in the rotation. I've been writing about hoops for 22 years and I really don't know what all the fuss is about hating the guy.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:45 PM PST up reply actions

why

does no one pass to watson? why doesn't watson drive? why are they all passing it around... passing passing till they give it to barnes who misses the 3/

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:24 PM PST reply actions

good job pietrus

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 8:27 PM PST reply actions

finally

buke!

by jojo4o8 on Feb 9, 2008 8:27 PM PST reply actions

Lol

Ron Artest: "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 8:31 PM PST reply actions

i swear artest is batsh*t crazy

he needs to be on this team

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions

foreals

by jojo4o8 on Feb 9, 2008 8:33 PM PST up reply actions

watching

Artest shoot free throws, I think he would fit in nicely.

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 8:34 PM PST up reply actions

The bench

really let them down so far, they need to give Nelly better minutes than that or he may just never rest Baron.

by greala on Feb 9, 2008 8:32 PM PST reply actions

Jesus

so much reaching on that Artest drive, just get in front of him!

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 8:33 PM PST reply actions

LATVIA!!!!

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions

i love when biedrins does that

great drive and finish. he needs to do that more often

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 8:34 PM PST reply actions

Latvia with a T?!?

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions

wow

biedrins gets slapped in the face, doesn't do anything, and gets a t

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions

Blocking foul on Jack?!?

Artest soooo pushed off.

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions

wtf refs..

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions

Biedrins

6 boards and 2 blocks in 13 minutes. Nice bench production.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:36 PM PST reply actions

i could do w/o the 4 turnovers though

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions

good point

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:52 PM PST up reply actions

lol

violet palmer sucks

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 8:40 PM PST reply actions

werd.

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions

WHAT THE F*** WAS THAT

Even if Baron gets the ball on the slide he isn't getting a shot up, just get your hands up.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 8:40 PM PST reply actions

Bad

call and bad play by Baron

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions

Barnes and Baron

combined 7 for 20. ouch.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:41 PM PST reply actions

That was too funny

Bibby saw him coming the entire time didn't even try to move.

by greala on Feb 9, 2008 8:41 PM PST reply actions

blame

baron there was no need for that...

but violet does suck.. she hates the warriors just like crawford..

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 8:42 PM PST reply actions

oh well

for all the things that went wrong in the second quarter, warriors still up 5

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 8:45 PM PST reply actions

lol

did anyone see how brad miller got into biedrin's face after he got fouled? that pissed me off, i've been wondering if biedrins has that nastiness in him to get into it with another player, but i don't see it. this guy has some of the softest hands in the league, when is he gonna start looking for his own shot down low? the guy has a knack for putting the ball in the hoop.

by bigbenny11 on Feb 9, 2008 8:50 PM PST reply actions

need more Monta in the 2nd half

23 for his last 28! The young man is hot!

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:56 PM PST reply actions

how bad is Baron's shooting slump?

14 for his 41.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions

Baron

14 for his last 43 shots.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 8:59 PM PST reply actions

artest needs his meds

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:03 PM PST reply actions

I love Artest's emotion,

unlike Joakim Noah, he has reason to celebrate.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 9:04 PM PST reply actions

jackson hurt

nice little ankle tweak there

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:06 PM PST reply actions

Jack

You're ok. Just a little tweak.

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:07 PM PST reply actions

Sidney

wheree r u?

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions

the ball don't lie

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply actions

rough call

Miller big-time flop. Baron's 4th!

Easy, Nelie...

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply actions

Baron's 5th

Oh Em Gee

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:11 PM PST reply actions

I think you gotta sit Baron now

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:12 PM PST reply actions

wtf..

i am telling you guys baron getting snubbed drained his will.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 9:13 PM PST reply actions

don't think so

he's a professional. he's just in a slump.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions

i don't know

what's wrong. he just doesn't look interested. sit him. maybe that'll lite a fire under his ass.

by KeepdaCore on Feb 9, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions

how many open 3s

does harrington miss?

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:13 PM PST reply actions

Not much bench production

outside of Beans, I might risk the six to keep Baron in the game.

by greala on Feb 9, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions

oh damn

nice finish monta

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply actions

feed Monta the ball

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply actions

Monta with some HANGTIME

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply actions

Lol

Mikki Moore(In the most serious face): I fouled you man.

Latvia(Smiling): No you didn't.

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions

Bench baron

he's not helping right now

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:22 PM PST reply actions

we be playin ugly

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 9:23 PM PST reply actions

pietrus

steps out of bound yay!

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply actions

nellie was right

he totally deserves more playing time

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions

pietrus special

steps out of bounds. has any player in the leauge NOT worked on improving a bad habit less than pietrus?

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply actions

supposedly theres a dude

on the Nets who steps out of bounds all the time.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions

but

he's been in the leauge 2 years. this is pietrus' what, 4th year?

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions

Hiow about Ben Wallace's free throws?

no way he can keep shooting airballs from the line after 10+ years in the league. I like the question.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:31 PM PST up reply actions

uhmm.

probably most big men do not have the shooting touch to have 80% freethrow shooting. Im sure big ben has probaly been working on his freethrows, and so have shaq and probably D12. stepping out of bounds is probably the easiest thing to fix and if pietrus can fix it in 4 years, i really hope we trade him.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 9:37 PM PST up reply actions

In the next 20 possessions

I want Monta to take 20 shots.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions

Exactly

I'm with you

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions

for real

why baron feels the need to jack up 26 footers is mind boggling.

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 9:30 PM PST up reply actions

ffs take baron out of the game

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply actions

air france

pietrus just caught the ball out of bounds again

by 3Kings650 on Feb 9, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply actions

It is

so obvious Monta can do whatever he wants. Please let him do his thing inthe 4th!!!

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply actions

the reason that i love monta ellis

he never takes a bad shot

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply actions

if baron fouls out

would it help us? he's not doing ANYTHING on either end

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:32 PM PST reply actions

damn barnes...

dunk it

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions

barnes

cant even dunk the ball omgz

by vietnameezboy on Feb 9, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply actions

wtf

is goin on right now

by vietnameezboy on Feb 9, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions

Barnes is ice cold

Airball and missed dunk in same sequence. this game has a very weird feel to it.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions

he likes the difficult shots

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:35 PM PST up reply actions

When Monta takes the midrange

off his dribble I am surprised when it doesn't go in.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 9:38 PM PST reply actions

well

looking slightly better. But it shouldnt be this hard at home against the kings.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 9:39 PM PST reply actions

y is biedrins

on the bench?

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:41 PM PST reply actions

cause he

is tired... and also probably because harrington wants to play too.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply actions

i doubt he's tired

and harrington's playing like crap

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions

holy jesusman

monta ellis can fly

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply actions

man

where would we be this year without Monta?

CJ Watson. From San Andreas to the Bay!

by tadams1080 on Feb 9, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions

lol at pietrus

-14 on the +/-

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions

Hey that's cool

Switch to commercial when Martin's about ot shoot the ball

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:46 PM PST reply actions

Artest will make it hard for us to finish this off

very dangerous player.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:47 PM PST reply actions

Here's an idea...

feed Monta!

by R I O T on Feb 9, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply actions

Monta Ellis

Remember the name

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply actions

great

pass by jax to Monta

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply actions

Monta

Warrior Wonder

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:49 PM PST reply actions

Oh Man

If only Monta spiked that rebound down

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:49 PM PST reply actions

would

have been play of the year!!

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 9:52 PM PST up reply actions

Nellie: "MONTA, MONTA"

I agree

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:51 PM PST reply actions

if

they had gone monta all night against the bulls i think it woulda been a victory.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 9:52 PM PST reply actions

OMFG

martin is a fucking pansy ass bitch.

you kidding me?

baron was about to open a can of whoopass on him.

by jchao204 on Feb 9, 2008 9:53 PM PST reply actions

baron fouls out

hopefully that will make monta more aggressive

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:53 PM PST reply actions

Lol

All-day Monta.

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:53 PM PST reply actions

Baron's gone but we have a little cushion

8 point lead with 2:11 to go should be enough. gamble to leave baron in with 5 looks like it will pay off.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply actions

What a cross over by "All-Day Monta"

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:55 PM PST reply actions

this is y

i hate biedrins sitting in the 4th. no one to grab an inside rebound. well that's one of many reasons actually

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 9:57 PM PST reply actions

amen

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions

would it kill them to put in biedrins

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 9:57 PM PST reply actions

Oh Em Gee

We need this bucket. Draw it up Nellie!

"That's why Baron is Baron." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 9:58 PM PST reply actions

Harrington, I have this crazy idea

why not try to box your man out before the rebound comes to him instead of trying an extremely high risk swipe?

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 9:58 PM PST reply actions

sigh

another close one.. harrington always giving up a and 1 at the end of close games

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 9:58 PM PST reply actions

legitimate nail-biter now

just one more hoop will ice it.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 9:59 PM PST reply actions

Oh my!!!

MONTA!!!

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions

thank you monta!

by jojo4o8 on Feb 9, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions

EYASD

YEAAAAAAA

by singha on Feb 9, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions

man

game ball to Monta.

CJ Watson. From San Andreas to the Bay!

by tadams1080 on Feb 9, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions

What a shot!

What a out of bounds play designed by Nelson. Awesome! Way to go Monta!

by jpgarfunkle on Feb 9, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions

big shot monta

and a nice screen by beans. another reason he should be in the game a lot more than he is

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply actions

All-Day Monta!

nice set-up, sweet shot. love it!

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions

"Monta is the MAN"

-Bobby Fitz

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions

mullin/nelson clearly needs to make another move

this is not over yet, but i was there on thursday night and i think it is clear that the 40+ minutes per game are taking their toll on baron

by stedanko on Feb 9, 2008 10:02 PM PST reply actions

holy jesusman

the 10-15 ft jump shot for monta is like a layup to him

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 10:02 PM PST reply actions

Baron

If Baron were playing like Baron all would seem well.

I pray i never have to use a gun again.

by ssmokinjoe on Feb 9, 2008 10:03 PM PST reply actions

All-Day Monta couldn't ice it

Let's play some good D

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Feb 9, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions

or foul them

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 10:05 PM PST up reply actions

nooo

monta... please god no 3.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions

also

harrington please don't foul

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 10:06 PM PST reply actions

3.3 seconds

a foul looks like the smart move

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:06 PM PST reply actions

that was almost in the act

wow. this is a struggle.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:07 PM PST reply actions

ah

hella close...

by singha on Feb 9, 2008 10:09 PM PST reply actions

sjax

clutch free throws

by jam3rz on Feb 9, 2008 10:09 PM PST reply actions

thank god

ugly win

by AJC3317 on Feb 9, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply actions

whew

...yay...

by singha on Feb 9, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply actions

SIGN THIS KID!

GET THAT PEN OUT MULLY AND LOCK HIM UP!

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply actions

no kidding.

he carries this team a lot

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions

Yikes ...

... my heart can start beating again.

by soem on Feb 9, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply actions

omg

warriors plz stop this madness.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply actions

Dear god

I can breathe now.

by Hash on Feb 9, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply actions

So, um, Monta Ellis

Is good.

Is there anyone left on this board who thinks he's a replaceable part on this team? Option Zero...?

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply actions

still

a liability on defense!!!! lol

by saintfloppy on Feb 9, 2008 10:30 PM PST up reply actions

CWebb??

what happened?

by BingBluNT on Feb 9, 2008 10:13 PM PST reply actions

nevermind

espn's boxscore said he only played 4 minutes but they just corrected it to 14, so that answers my question.

I like the 5 rebounds, but 2 points? i'm not expecting greatness immediately but the warriors obviously need a lot more from webber than that..

by BingBluNT on Feb 9, 2008 10:16 PM PST up reply actions

hes too slow

he culdnt stop bibby from getting layups

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions

5 boards, 1 assist and 1 steal in 14 minutes

not exactly a disaster. the rebounds-per-minute are encouraging. It's only his second game back. I think he'll really help when he gets in better game shape.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:24 PM PST up reply actions

Personally

I think he's not in game shape and slowly will get more minutes.

by PhilSmith on Feb 9, 2008 10:15 PM PST reply actions

this was the kind of win that good teams get

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:20 PM PST reply actions

lol

im pretty dissapointed we didnt blow them out. we are so much beter than them. honestly, its unnacceptable that the bulls and kings game were so close. but at least we won this game instead. so i guess we can go home good tonight.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 10:22 PM PST up reply actions

Bull

the Kings are a very good team when healthy, including this game they had won 5 of their last 7 with wins against the Jazz and the Hornets. Like the Warriors last year, they weren't as bad as their record indicated. In my opinion they are at the level of the Rockets, so this is a good win.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 10:26 PM PST up reply actions

LOL

Rockets >>>>>> Kings. It's not even debatable. The Kings were a mediocre-to-bad team last year (-1.8 point differential), and they're just about the same this year (-1.9).

Any win is a good win, but this was hardly an inspiring performance. Good teams, at home, should be expected to handle mediocre-to-bad teams pretty easily.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions

Kings are better than you think

their point differential in the last 15 games is top 10 in the NBA. They've been pretty tough since they got everybody. I'm just not buying that they are pushovers and we should just simply run over them at home. They are playing better than the Rockets right now.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions

Kings playing better than Portland right now

not Houston -- my bad...

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions

Kings are legit

Brad Miller lost some weight and is having a great season. They are surprisingly deep with Udrih, Garcia, Salmons, and Douby coming off the bench. Ron Artest can shut down anybody and of course Kevin Martin is great (Warriors were lucky he had an off night).
Reggie Theus has them playing hard. I believe that they can easily post one of the top 10 best records in the West from here on out now that they are all healthy. Of course their bad start combined with the amount of good teams in the West means that they won't be in the playoffs, but I definitely agree that this was no gimme game. We're not going to win many games where Baron shoots 4-19, but luckily K Mart also had a bad game and Monta was incredible.

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 10, 2008 1:49 AM PST up reply actions

Bibby

He's only played 12 games this season, so they really are better than their record indicates.

I pray i never have to use a gun again.

by ssmokinjoe on Feb 9, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions

that's the point

..we are now good enough now that we can have an off game and still pull one out. In years past this was a 20 point loss easy -- no matter who the opponent. Besides, the Kings had won 11 of 17 coming in. Be realistic, they are a pretty hot team and we played our C- game and still beat them.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 10:28 PM PST up reply actions

One way to look at it

Unfortunately, being better than we were during our 13-year reign of suck isn't quite enough for most Ws fans these days. We just lost to the terri-Bulls, without half their rotation, and barely beat the lottery-bound Kings. You can't blame fans for expecting a bit better.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions

well explained

sleepy. i would just think this is the best the warriors could be with their current squad and if they cant beat a team wieh there 3 top players out then barely winning this game againsta mediocre team, obiously there needs to be a change to have a fight against the west.

by GSwarrior on Feb 9, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions

they may be lottery bound

but if they had been healthy all season then their record would not be a lottery team record, it would be similar to the Rockets' record. That's what I meant and I stand by it. They have weapons everywhere, Bibby, Artest, Miller, Martin, Salmons, Udrih, and even Moore, Garcia, and Douby. That's a quality team (I might be forgetting some players).

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions

You mean the same Rockets

Who played 15 games without Tracy McGrady?

Most teams in the NBA have nine "weapons" the caliber of that mediocre group you listed. Only a select few have a Top 2 as dominant as Yao and McGrady.

The Kings are what they are. The Rockets are significantly better than them, no matter how you slice it.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions

No you don't understand

I am not saying they are as good a team as the Rockets, I am saying they would be on the same level as the Rockets, have a similar record. And therefore it is a good win. And I'll take Martin over McGrady thank you very much.

by belilaugh on Feb 10, 2008 12:31 AM PST up reply actions

By the way,

name a Western team not in the top ten that has the kinds of weapons the Kings have. I don't buy that at all.

by belilaugh on Feb 10, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions

Quite the qualification

"not in the Top 10." LOL.

You said the Kings were as good as the Rockets, and that that had weapons everywhere.

I simply pointed out that

They're patently not as good as the Rockets (which you later backtracked and agreed with)
Most teams in the NBA have at least that many weapons.

Note that I didn't qualify point #2 with the caveat "not in the Top 10."

You seem to be trying really hard to weasel out out of your initial incorrect position into one of "the Kings aren't that terrible." If that's your new position, I totally agree with you. Bravo!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions

Not at all

Who do the Kings fit in more with? The bottom four teams or the top ten? There is no other team in that bottom 5 that has the amount of talent the Kings have, and they have been playing very well since they got healthy, but you are trying to argue that that there should be a bottom 6 instead of a top 11. You say most teams in the NBA, I say most good teams in the NBA. The TWolves, Clippers (possibly when healthy), Grizzlies, and Sonics cannot match up talent wise to the Kings whatsoever. And quite honestly, many teams in the East can't match up either (Heat, Bobcats, Bucks, Bulls, Sixers, Pacers, and Nets.) The Knicks have the talent, but they do not have as good a coach as Reggie Theus to utilize that talent. So pretty much, every bad team in the ENTIRE NBA can't match up and should be thought of as the lower tier of teams. There are some teams like the Wizards where you could make the case that they do not match up either. The Kings are not in that tier, which includes pretty much the bottom half of the league, not MOST TEAMS as you so incorrectly stated.

And you really don't get it, when I say the Kings would be on the same level as the Rockets that means I am saying they would have similar records, I never said I thought the Kings would beat the Rockets in a playoff series, but with the up and down season they have had their record evens out to what I would expect of the Kings. Perhaps I should have used the Trailblazers as an example instead.

If the Kings had the Rockets record the whole season there is a good chance that Kevin Martin would have been in the same position David West was in when he got selected to the all star game. So don't tell me they don't have any standout players either.

Never one time did I backtrack, all I did was clarify because you misunderstood me. Don't tell me I am weaseling out of it when you are simply copping out by not addressing that you were wrong when you said the Kings were that terrible. I know debate tactics, and they aren't going to work here.

But please, I would love a reply.

by belilaugh on Feb 10, 2008 7:37 PM PST up reply actions

Dude

Seriously, stop putting words in my mouth. The statement

you are trying to argue that that there should be a bottom 6 instead of a top 11.

Is a pure straw man. I never said anything of the sort.

On the other hand, it is totally reasonable to take your original statement --

In my opinion they are at the level of the Rockets

-- to mean that, in your opinion, they are as good a team as the Rockets. Your qualifications about them not being likely to beat the Rockets in the playoffs, etc., were added after the fact.

So, yes, you did try to weasel out of your original statement, and then tried to cover up for your weaseling by building a bunch of unrelated straw man arguments. Clearly you do know your debate tactics. Props.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions

asdf

blablablaI'm still not going to address the fact that I am wrong, I'm just going to stay on the offensiveblablabla.

Check any power ranking, I'm sure you'll find the Kings in the top 16. But if you don't want to admit that you misunderstood what I said and/or made some incorrect statements, then I don't know what else to say. So I'm done with it. No hard feelings.

by belilaugh on Feb 10, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions

Heh

Check any power ranking, I'm sure you'll find the Kings in the top 16

Actually, the first one I checked, Hollinger's, has them at #17. Not that I ever said or implied anything about their relative league ranking, except as it related to the Rockets (#11).

blablablaI'm still not going to address the fact that I am wrong, I'm just going to stay on the offensiveblablabla.

Well, self-awareness is the first step towards enlightenment, so I take your confession as a good sign. A little friendly advice for future discussionns:

Try to respond to what people have actually written rather than what you think they've written or what you want them to have written.
Try to defend your original position rather than a constantly-changing one.
Try not to confuse the discussion with a lot of irrelevant straw men (e.g., "Kevin Martin would have been in the same position David West was in when he got selected to the all star game").
If you're having trouble with parts 2 and 3, it may be a sign that were some serious flaws with your original argument. Admitting these flaws can help lead to a more fruitful discussion based on facts, rather than a pissing match wherein you tie yourself in knots trying to prove you're "right."

So I'm done with it.

Thankfully.

No hard feelings.

Werd. ;-)

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 11, 2008 4:58 AM PST up reply actions

most NBA games are toss-ups

When the Suns lost to the T-Wolves nobody was whining and claiming the sky was falling. It happens from time to time in an NBA season. Key point to remember from tonight's game = we won! Good teams find ways to win. As Red Auerbach once said, the difference between good teams and mediocre teams is that good teams win more 50/50 games than bad teams. And most NBA games are 50/50 games. The average margin of victory of an NBA game is 3 points -- one possession. Expecting blowouts in any NBA game is not realistic.

The Warriors won tonight. Yes, they laid an egg against Chicago, but they figured out a way to close it out tonight. The Kings played pretty well tonight and all they could hope to do was hang around.

Now, if they had lost to the kings...

by Dubmanny on Feb 10, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions

Seriously though,

there is no point of trading Monta for a "proven commodity" like Artest, because Monta is a proven commodity. That explanation at the beginning of the telecast actually does explain his early season struggles (I kept getting angry at him for not being aggressive enough at the time), and I really think he has emerged to the point where he can not disappear in the playoffs. Now, do I think he would hit that shot he hit to push the lead to 4 in a playoff game? That remains to be seen.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 10:22 PM PST reply actions

we're back

in the 8th seed. houston is right on our tails. We need denver to lose a couple and we need someone to end rocket's streak.

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 10:25 PM PST reply actions

argh

just looking at the standings seems like it wont change unless something drastically happens from 1-7 we are basically on life support for the 8th spot.

What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Feb 9, 2008 11:42 PM PST up reply actions

hm

can you guys believe that mullin entertained the idea of trading monta ellis for the 13th pick in the draft? that is utterly terrifying. pietrus drives me nuts, you'd think after being a swing man for 6 years in the league, you'd have enough self respect to learn how to dribble, and shoot off the dribble. watching him move with the ball in his hands is the stuff of nightmares.

by bigbenny11 on Feb 9, 2008 10:26 PM PST reply actions

for real

and it's only been 2 games but baron and jax have had to play even more minutes (around 43 & 44.5 respectively) and even more of a load w/ cwebb's no defense butt weighing them down.

on offense, they actually waste even more energy cutting around while cwebb has the ball in the high post only to end up launching a 25 ft 3 pointer.

so far the guys who've lost playing time to webber and the resulting baron/sjax playing more minutes are andris, al, kaz, cj and croshere.

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 10:26 PM PST reply actions

can

you believe baron is a +14 in this game and ellis is a +7

by saintdee on Feb 9, 2008 10:30 PM PST reply actions

and pietrus is -14

by nautica on Feb 9, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions

Pietrus and Barnes have the same +/-

...for the year, for what it's worth (-2.6 for Pietrus, - 2.9 for Barnes).

Barnes also plays more minutes with Baron Davis on the floor than Pietrus. I like this stat but you have dig a little deeper (like on-court / off court, 5 man rotation, player win %, etc.) for the data to be meaningful.

Baron leads the team with a +14.9 and Monta and Jax are second with +6.0. Azubuike is -11.9. Belinelli is -20.0 in limited minutes.

by Dubmanny on Feb 9, 2008 11:45 PM PST up reply actions

ya

The +/- stat is meaningless if taken out of context. A lot of Azubuike's minutes came when he was starting during Jackson's suspension and we were getting blown out every night.

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 10, 2008 1:58 AM PST up reply actions

sometimes this # can be deceiving

against the bulls, pietrus was the ONLY warrior to have a Positive +/- and i don't think anyone was clamoring for more pietrus.

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions

why not?

He had a good game. That was obvious without knowing the +/- stats.

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 10, 2008 1:54 AM PST up reply actions

his + came in during that

baron davis surge at the end of the 2nd half. i think he was actually -6 the rest of the game. that's what i mean. monta and al both had better games but had negative +/-.

by the evil monkey on Feb 10, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions

Attaboy Mike Dunleavy!

Portland loses tonight at Indiana.

by belilaugh on Feb 9, 2008 10:40 PM PST reply actions

heh

he actually got hurt in this game (albeit on an aggressive drive & finish to the hoop). funny how he can all of a sudden finish on a drive and score posting up smaller guys. The fans must have really been in his head. Afraid of messing up and being booed so he'd rather just pass it off and let someone else shoulder the burden of responsibility.

Anyway, this Portland loss had to do more w/ Roy not playing than anything else.

by the evil monkey on Feb 9, 2008 11:16 PM PST up reply actions

I kinda

Puked a little in my mouth when i saw Pieturs stepping out of bounds AGAIN! His technique sucks basketball IQ= -0.10 This guys can leap and athletic and that is it

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Feb 9, 2008 10:59 PM PST reply actions

i call him..

Pee-Wee for his hoops IQ

and also "The Pirate" because to me he looks like an extra on Pirates of the Carribean more than an NBA player

by misterjennings on Feb 9, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions

I'll give full credit to

the 2 for 1 Gorilla. 3-0 (1-0 against Suns and 2-0 against the Kings).

by bloodsweatndonuts on Feb 9, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions

Yahoo Headline:

"Ellis rallies Kings past Warriors in the 4th"

wrong!

I pray i never have to use a gun again.

by ssmokinjoe on Feb 10, 2008 12:22 AM PST reply actions

It's like the 100th times

I've said this, Monta Ellis has grown right in front of our eyes. (Okay, so maybe I've only said it twice)

by semarubaka on Feb 10, 2008 12:59 AM PST reply actions

well

offensively yes, defensively no. he's basically dunleavy on defense (w/ the flopping and occasional team defense - though monta's better at it) except he's a little better at keeping his man in front of him, but worse in pick and roll and at post defense. actually, he doesn't even play post defense. every time he switches and gets a bigger guy, he goes for a steal on the pass, usually resulting in an easy dunk. oh and dunleavy at least tries to block bigger guys out on switches, monta just lets them run straight down the lane for thunder jams.

that said, parker & nash aren't exactly defensive stalwarts and nellie needs to start letting him run the 2nd team and resting Baron.

by the evil monkey on Feb 10, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions

defense

One of the main attributes of good-great defender is the ability to be in the right place at the right time... ie... EXPERIENCE. Its rare to have a guard come into the league and be a good defender off the bat. It takes seasoning to be a good perimeter defender in the NBA.

Monta has been in the league only 3 years, and he's only 22, so he's got plenty of time to get better, defensively. At this point, the effort's there and he has the physical tools, so I don't see his role of "defensive liability" lasting his whole career. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he was lauded for his defense as early as next year.

"Boards... Don't hit BACK.."

by Tim N Chris Burger on Feb 10, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions

can't believe how they are playing!

On the one hand, they have won 7 out of their last 10, so how can we complain about 70%??

But at the same time, Baron is playing terrible, missing layups and shooting 25%. What is wrong with him lately?

And the 3-point shots aren't going down much either. One thing that just drives me nuts is when they KNOW they are on a poor shooting streak from 3pt land, and then they run down the floor and take a quick 3pt shot. They might as well be handing the ball to the other team! It's the same effect as a turnover!

3-pointers and free throws are something this team needs to work on, along with attitude maybe, and then, damn it, they ought to be competing for the top position in the conference!

by bobbyrae on Feb 10, 2008 1:22 AM PST reply actions

Have to shoot the 3 to make them

by SkipT on Feb 10, 2008 2:15 AM PST up reply actions

especially

BD, if he's not hitting 3s, we need him to drive to the hoop. He NEEDS to get the warriors foul calls, so the refs know there's another team out there. I'd be interested to know what's BD's free throw attempts per game, it has to be the lowest among " stars players " in the league.

by KeepdaCore on Feb 10, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions