Biedrins' future with the dubs

AB and BW would be a nice combo in the frontlines...nimble with great hands... and 2 shot blockers to boot.

beidrins? a top 10 center? how do you figure? he's 6'11" 215. that's power forward size in the nba. he can't shoot. he can't pass. he can dunk, excute the pick and roll. he's an inconsistent rebounder. he gets pushed around by bigger centers.

where is biedrins' cieling? what else can he get good at? he doesn't have good hands, like wright. he drops passes. he's never going to develop a good shot, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. to me, wright in 2 years will be able to do everything ab can do now and will ever be able to do, from the power forward position. why spend hella money on ab in the offseason for a redundant, undersize center. instead of giving biedrins top ten center money (which is ridiculous, he will not be top ten. not at 6'11", not at sub 250 pounds (he's at 211 right now) not without any offensive moves besides putbacks and dunks.)

don't get me wrong. i like ab. he blocks shots, gets rebounds, executes the pick and roll nicely. but those are all things b wright will be able to do soon. let's let biedrins go and get someone else at center.

but if his market value is higher than that, let him walk.

we could make a run at brand or jermaine o'neal. then we could draft kevin love.

here's our depth chart (just backups included)

pg - baron, monta
sg - monta, buke
sf - jax, need to sign someone (maybe mp2, prefereably not barnes).
pf  - wright, harrington
c - o'neal (or brand, or biedrins), love

wright and ab together won't be able to box out anyone. they'll get pushed around. they won't rebound. they're redundant together on the floor. you need someone that's stronger to compliment. like love. or brand. or o'neal. or even webber. AND NELSON KNOWS THIS. he said it last night. go check the daily dubs. he doesn't want to play the two together. one's got to go. wright has a higher ceiling. let's get creative and figure out a new center.

Also, Biedrins may be "undersized" now, but he's not too short, he's just not strong enough yet.  But once again, dude's only 22. Hit the weights, he'll be fine.

Also, Biedrins is not an inconsistent rebounder, he gets inconsistent playing time.  Whenever he plays consistent minutes, he gets 10+ EASILY.  SO EASILY.  You know this man.

Also, don't like Love.  He's a fine college player, but like other GSOMers have posted here, I don't know that his college game will translate very well in the NBA.  Would be a terrible pick for the Dubs.

Also, do you really think Don Nelson of all people is serious when he quotes that he likes to play Brandan Wright (athletic) with Webber (not-athletic)?  Come one now folks.  Nelson haaaates non-athletic players, especially non-athletic bigs.  Besides, does this quote make any sense to anyone?  Who wants to ever start a non-athletic player in this day and age of the uptempo NBA, let alone Don Nelson?  It's obvious here that Nelson is simply backing up Webber because he somewhat feels bad for the guy, and for their previous relationship.  This is very very obvious.  

Iggy: you're talkin about Wright in 2 more years, yea, we all think he'll be special.  What about Biedrins in 2 more years?  He's gonna be a top 10 center (legit top 10) in 2 more years, no doubt.  How in the world could we let a dude like this go?  The answer is, we're not gonna do it!  Excuse the double negative, but Mullin would NOT be stupid enough to not sign a very large part of our future.  Biedrins is key.

Pray for the guy

It will be fun to see Wright and Biedrins in the game at the same time, but eventually Biedrins will be gone unless he develops a shot.

Based on his free throw shooting, future is not looking bright in a Warriors uniform.

Wright and Biedrins could coexist if Wright develops his jumper, which is entirely possible.

Biedrins can still improve a lot as well.

Worst case you want to sign Biedrins and trade him off later! Never ever let him walk for free.

Nothing personal, Iggy, this is just not only one of the worst ideas ever but the irrational support for it that has no merit just makes it so much worse.

According to this, Biedrins actually outweighs BW by 40 lbs (245lbs to 205lbs).  40 lbs, not 5 or 10 or whatever other number you made up trying to make a point.  Fact is, Biedrins is much, much stronger than BW, even if he is not the strongest center in the league.

1. how much is it going to take to resign ab?
2. what do you guys see ab developing into in, say, 3 years? could you compare him to a current player?

2007-2008  $2,323,080

2008-2009  $2,497,320

2010-2011  $2,671,440

2011-2012  $3,398,071

Since BW is locked in, you take the money and sign Andris for 9-10 mil year/5 years and develop these 2 great young players.

This is the future for the dubs along with Ellis who you sign this offseason as well.  And while your at it give baron an extension of 3 years so we can make a title run!!

come 2009, we'll be really good. better than we are now. but we won't be as good as the lakers. we won't be as good as the blazers.

tim kawakami wrote a great blog a few weeks ago (read it on the daily dubs, forget what day) about where the warriors factor in the west 3 years down the line. he made the compelling argument that we'll be fourth best tops.  i just think that commiting to such a small team is stupid considering how big the west is becoming.

are we just going to start beating the jazz randomly? they have our number. nelson brought in webber to counteract the bigs in the west. didn't work. he's old.

i'm trying to think like nelson. if that's what he wants, a front court of wright and ab doesn't do that. not at all. brand and wright? love and wright? jermaine o'neal and wright? i think that works.

let's be honest here. could do more than dunk he'd be a power forward. no doubt. his build is ideal for the 4. as a center, he's undersized. nelson doesn't want two undersized big men, or else he wouldn't have signed webber.

I suggest really watch a game when Biedrins comes out and see the difference it makes. We usually tend to get outrebounded and lose a little bit on offense. Look back at our game against Washington at home. As soon as they put Blatche and Haywood on the floor they started building momentum and killing us on the glass. We stick in Biedrins a few minutes later and we go on to win because he counteracts some of that. If you look at how many balls he tips to other players during a game, your probably adding on a few more rebounds per game to his total.
As far as offense, I think others have been right in reffering to his Euro Champ. play. He has more in the offensive arsenal, but sticks to his main role on the team. If Nelson was looking for more, he'd have POB out there. Nelson wants a player to fill a defined role if his name isn't Baron, Stephen and Monta.

in two three years, Biedrins will fill out more, still be quicker than his counterparts and will begin to show more of his offensive arsenal.

Unless Orlando is going to trade us Howard or the Lakers are going to give us Bynum, I see no reason to let Biedrins walk away for the hope that someone in the draft might develop into a first team all-league center.

By the way, when has Oden played this year that gives you any clue he is going to be as great as your making him out to be? He'll be coming off of Micro-fracture surgery, and is not as athletic as Amare, so it may change his potential.

I get what you are trying to say in terms of picking up someone with a strong body, like Love, but have you ever consider the fact that love won't enter the draft this year. Even if he does Love might not be the best fit for our system.

You compare him to Webber when it comes to the way we could utilize him, but Webber does not fit into our system neatly. He is slow and over weight, yet he does provide a veteran presence and a high basketball IQ. Webber is merely a bench player used to defend stronger opponents. If Webber leaves he won't be missed.

Why is there a need to get rid of Andris? why can't Love and Andris co-exist? What makes you think Love is going to be starter material? Will Love be able to defend against Bynum or Amare? Why would you gamble by dropping Andris in favor of a rookie, any rookie? Andris has proven he is a starter in this league. It took Andris several seasons to round out into the player he is today. Its going to take Love or any other rookie bigman just as long. Why start all over in finding our bigman when he developed a pretty good one already?

You mentioned that we should drop Andris so we could sign a player via free agency. Who are you planning to sign? J O'Neal? He is injury prone and his production is decling, why take the risk? Elton Brand? He's a power forward, how is he going to play alongside Brandan Wright? Remember Brand is only 6-8, so he can't play center, plus Brand is going to cost a lot more than Andris. So what if Andris never develops a solid jumper? hustle players that defends, rebounds, and block shots are just as important as players that scores. We have so much offensive power do we really need more? Andris is going to give us 10 points a game and in the future his production might increase to 12-15 points a game. Thats pretty good, I think.

You would have been better off by saying that we add Love or any other rookie big man to back up Andris. Getting rid of Andirs in favor of a rookie is just foolish. I'm all for adding a young, strong bigman without sacrificing our young players.

I've seen Love play once, but seriously is he that good? Is he going to be the next Karl Malone? Is he going to be able to defend NBA bigmen for 80 plus games? Is he right for our system? Is there a better player out there? Don't use Webber as comparison because we were desperate for depth that is the sole reason why we signed Webber. It's the same reason why Boston signed P.J. Brown, for veteran depth.

Biedrins does have a jumpshot
http://www.nba.com/warriors/index_main.html

In the multimedia section check out Nov 19 practice footage in New York. At around 40-43 seconds Jack is showing off some moves and you see Biedrins take a small jumpshot that actually looks pretty good and goes in. I believe that Biedrins can take jumpers but probably won't because we already have Monta and Baron and Jack doing it 90% of the time. Biedrins knows that he is most needed under the post rebounding and getting the easy layups so thats what he does.