Nelson ruined our season
The Warriors are over as we know and love them. Baron played one of the best seasons of his career, and actually played as opposed to being injured as is so often the case. So we are at the cusp of the playoffs with the best western conference probably ever, and you sit your star player the entire second half? Personal issues shouldn't get in the way of something like this. I have loved Nelly since the day he came to Oakland but he crossed the line. He made the game all about him. I don't know what happened with him and Baron at half but I honestly think he should be fired for such a blatant case of one-upsmanship. It worked for the third quarter but even if your star is 0-20, he is still your star and needs to be in at the end. Nobody can create and make key shots like Baron on the Warriors. I've been a dubs fan long before Baron and the end of games used to not be pretty. He IS the man. Or at least was...to be showed up like that by your coach (who already has an extension) there is no way Baron will return to be coached by the Don. He will opt out and end the current era as we know it. Remember 2 seasons ago well as it will be one of the best Warrior seasons to remember of all times...honestly how many allley-oops did Baron and J-rich have? Not to mention knocking off the freaking one seed. All I can say is they better lock up Ellis (although i think they will with the absence of Baron) or it is going to be a dim future. This has been such a suspensful season and has been great for us dubs fans, and Nelson cared about none of that as he made his point that he is the one in control.
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Baron will do what's best for Baron
Given the maturity he showed before the season (and a little advice from the Logo), I don’t think he’ll revert to his old ways and take insult from not playing in the second half.
He may opt out if its a better situation for him, but it won’t be because of this.
by Hac Man on
Apr 15, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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lmao....
ok… way to make up your own assumptions about Baron and Nellie… how do you know Baron didn’t ask to be benched?
by saintdee on
Apr 15, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
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yea
we have no idea why baron was on the bench, lets not jump to any conclusions. even if baron wasnt pleased with it i dont think he’s going to opt out because of one game. he’s loved playing for nelson, and hasnt been happy with any other coach anywhere else.
by sam23 on
Apr 15, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
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LMAO.
Easily the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in my life. Who are you to say any of this? Let’s just pick this apart.
So we are at the cusp of the playoffs with the best western conference probably ever, and you sit your star player the entire second half? Personal issues shouldn’t get in the way of something like this.
Who are you to say or assume that it’s something personal? Baron was 2-13. He was playing like garbage. As a coach, it’s Nellie’s job to bench someone if they are playing like crap. It’s something he didn’t do all season.
. I don’t know what happened with him and Baron at half but I honestly think he should be fired for such a blatant case of one-upsmanship. It worked for the third quarter but even if your star is 0-20, he is still your star and needs to be in at the end. Nobody can create and make key shots like Baron on the Warriors.
Honestly, what are you even talking about? What blatant case of one-upsmanship are you talking about? He benched a player who deserved to be benched. Nothing more, nothing less. Why are you making stuff up to plead your ridiculous case?
It worked for the third quarter but even if your star is 0-20, he is still your star and needs to be in at the end.
This coming from the 12-time NBA championship winning coach, and 94 time coach of the year. I don’t understand what makes you think your idea is so brilliant. The horse was dead at that point. If you can’t see that BD is out of gas right now, well then you have broken eyes.
Remember 2 seasons ago well as it will be one of the best Warrior seasons to remember of all times…honestly how many allley-oops did Baron and J-rich have?
No more than 40. How many flat 3-pointers did J-Rich shoot. Now that’s a better question.
All I can say is they better lock up Ellis (although i think they will with the absence of Baron) or it is going to be a dim future. This has been such a suspensful season and has been great for us dubs fans, and Nelson cared about none of that as he made his point that he is the one in control.
And he nails the finish! Too bad the landing pad was made entirely of horse#&$#. Seriously, come on now.
by xcoma on
Apr 15, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
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nellie
I hate when people blame things on nellie, he brought the warriors out of our drought now we just criticize.
by FeartheBeard4 on
Apr 15, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
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could it be that
baron had a little too much partying to do for his Bday(all week and weekend)? im not saying he would but im saying he is human. groupies happen.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on
Apr 15, 2008 3:50 PM PDT
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LOL
Groupies happen…
where the gsom groupies?
actually that would be a great nba commercial with their theme this year…
Baron’s bday party – where groupies happen
by Fantasy Junkie on
Apr 15, 2008 9:03 PM PDT
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LOL x 2
“Where groupies happen.”
Somebody has to make a mock youtube video of that, possibly involving Shawn Kemp, or one of Magic’s infamous “pool parties”...
by Sleepy Freud on
Apr 15, 2008 9:08 PM PDT
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And...
the video would have to end with the granddaddy of groupie love – wilt.
10,000 women was it?
by Fantasy Junkie on
Apr 15, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
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"holding the up the 100 pt marker...
grin from ear to ear… where groupies happen”
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on
Apr 15, 2008 9:36 PM PDT
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20,000
Or so he said…
In 1991, Chamberlain wrote his second autobiography, A View from Above. There, the lifelong bachelor claimed he had sex with 20,000 women. For this to be true, he would have had to had sex with 1.14 women per day from the age of 15 up until the day of his death, a rate of almost eight women a week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain
I know you guys are still young, but you better start rounding up those GSoM groupies if you want to challenge the Stilt… XD
by Sleepy Freud on
Apr 15, 2008 9:37 PM PDT
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Orgies would have made that number more feasible
just sayin. . .
by Hac Man on
Apr 16, 2008 12:46 PM PDT
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I know nellie was good
Trading away Dun and Murph (even though murph will always be the man), getting rid of/not playing Foyle, even trading J-rich for saving money and B Wright, Nelson absolutely saved us from another decade of turmoil. But just like everywhere else Nelson has been he has done his good, will stay another year and go. He is great at making bad teams good, he cant make good teams great
by Warrior on
Apr 15, 2008 3:58 PM PDT
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Am I the only one that feels they're taking crazy pills?!?
I’m not gonna comment on this post because it’s just a long rambling babbling piece of…well I won’t say.
I’m wondering. I moved down to San Diego 5 years ago and most of my buddies that are dubs fans are pretty knowledgeable. But whenever I’m on this site I can’t help but come across some of the most ridiculous fans out there. Basically I want to know, is this the general Warriors fan now? Did the incredible ride of last year translate into newer, lower basketball IQ fans in the bay?
Anybody?
by mikey J on
Apr 15, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
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I feel like i'm taking crazy pills!!
haha good zoolander reference. and yes i agree with you. So many people that jumped on the warriors bandwagon after last year only expect perfection and cinderella upsets. it’s completely ridiculous to be exploding and ranting about one decision by a 3 time coach of the year. if anybody thinks this post contains reasonable content, feel free to start another “petition” to get nellie out of here. just don’t come back complaining and whining when the warriors yet again fail to please you. after all, without the coach of the free-flowing, dallas-upsetting, fast-breaking warriors, itd be pretty hard to do much.
Thank you, Dubs.
by misterho on
Apr 15, 2008 9:07 PM PDT
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wow...
you cant say that he ruined our season. they started out 0-6 and they ended up with a better record than last year! what killed us was cold shooting during games we should have won.
what drama between baron and nellie? dont buy into the media. they have nothing else to do so they try to start up controversy
i want a bike, like a beach cruiser of somthin like that - Baron Davis
by boomdizzle5 on
Apr 15, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
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As I said a month ago..
When the Dubs lost to Sacramento last month and Baron didn’t play for a very long time in the 2nd half, guys like Monta, Buike and Barnes got us back in the game and when BD came back, we lost all momentum and lost. I was upset!
I was happy BD didn’t play the 2nd half last night. He stunk and the Dubs needed others to help out, hence Nellie putting in guys like MP2, Buike and Kosta to Kosta. THEY got us back in the game, so I fully understand Nellies train of thought.
Nellie must stay, otherwise its back to the drawing board once again. I’m sure Nellie has learned a slight lesson in that he shouldn’t downplay the fact that desire and hustle can make up for “skill” and help you win games when the starters ain’t doing anything to help you win. I see more PT for BWright and Belinelli next year which will help.
If Kosta, Croshere, MP2 and POB don’t come back in 2008-2009, I’l be very happy. With $10,000,000 to play with, the draft and free agency, I like our chances next year for an improved team. Will it get us to the Playoffs-time will tell!
by gabezgsw on
Apr 15, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
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Nice call...
on the sacramento game. There’s no right answer, its a judgement call and I think Nellie should be trusted to judge when he thinks a player does or doesn’t have it on a given night. Nelson’s judgements are directly responsible for the turnaround of this franchise… From roster decisions to substitutions. He takes risks and uses his gut instincts, and sometimes it doesn’t pay off but that’s what makes this team unique. How many times has Nellie gone against the ‘convetional wisdom’ with this team and had it work out? I’d say a majority of the time. GSW had a winning record with a roster that no other coach in the league would touch with a 10 foot pole… Nellies deserves credit for the success of GSW since his arrival.
by in for life on
Apr 15, 2008 6:19 PM PDT
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Nelson did not ruin the season...
...David Stern did. If the NBA Playoff system was fair then the top 16 records in the entire league should be in. C’mon now.. the Atlanta Hawks are in the playoffs and we’re on the outside looking in And PLEASE PLEASE stop trying to someone to blame, we’re a really good team. If at the beginning of the year, I would’ve asked any Dubs fan if they’d take 49 wins they would’ve said YES without question. We’re simply a good team in a historically great conference. D-Stern needs to balance things out ASAP!
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by JonDoe on
Apr 15, 2008 4:42 PM PDT
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nellie is nellie
this is what we asked for no? we can’t call him a savior one year, then blame him the next if we didn’t make playoffs. there are certain aspects to his coaching philosophies i don’t agree with, such as not building up your rookies and your bench through the year so they can come in to contribute toward the end of the year, but in the end, he’s the same coach that got us to the playoffs last year.
remember last offseason where most of you guys were worried that he wasn’t going to come back to coach this year? and now you’re going to blame him? i’d blame losses against he t’wolves, that bulls game, capt. jack’s absence for the first 7 games, letting that home game against the nugs slip away, or jackson’s inability to run back and play defense, al’s fear of taking it hard to the rim, or baron’s cold hand before i’d blame nellie.
i don’t think he’s a coach that can bring you to a ‘chip, but unless we get a young jerry sloan or phil jackson to revamp our team and go with the same ol big man half court offense, he’s our coach.
by dubs on
Apr 15, 2008 5:23 PM PDT
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It's all b.s.
If we had one last night, peeps would say Nellie is a genius. That’s why he’s the coach, and people like us are watching the game cheering the dubs on. Chill folks.
by Golden Boy on
Apr 15, 2008 5:29 PM PDT
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Common Sense
Its tough blame Nellie. He has played an instrumental role in the turn around. But if he benced Baron only because of how he played in the first half, it was a mistake.
The caveat is we don’t know what happened. But come on guys… something happened. The post game reactions don’t even come close to passing the b.s. test. Baron’s needed a rest since November… it he sucked it up then, he’s sucking it up in a must win game. We’ve been around Nellie long enough to read between the lines. Maybe Boom and Nellie had a scrap at half, maybe he was hung over (Given Nellie’s drinking prowess, I doubt he respects a guy who can’t hold his liquor) but there is absolutely no way Baron was benched because he went 2-13 in the first half, or because he was tired.
Beching Baron down the stretch for performance makes no basketball sense. We’re not talking about MP, Croshere or CJ Watson. Your talking about your star player and leader. Its one thing to be down on him, but he gave them the best chance to win (unless he was hurt- or hung over). He has for the past two seasons been the go to guy, the leader, the best player. Our Kobe type dominant presence. In a must win game, you dance with who brought you. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who has played or coached in the NBA who would disagree.
Not to mention the that the best half court match-up down the stretch would be to force Nash to guard Monta or BD. It would be like taking Barry Bonds out in the 7th inning of a playoff game because he struck out his first two times up.
The 3rd quarter run was impressive. They caught the Suns relaxing and played well. But the best predictor for future sucess is not a 12 minute sample size. I’ll take the guy who dominated 4th quarters all year over a guy who had a nice 3rd quarter stretch.
It will be interesting to see what happened (and fun to speculate until that time), but lets call a spade a spade. Something happened.
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by firesabean on
Apr 15, 2008 6:02 PM PDT
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Perfectly reasonable explanations
Please see the explanations offered by other posters above regarding the Sacramento game, where the W’s went down big, the bench brought them back, and when Baron came back in, he was still cold, the W’s lost all momentum and the game. It is definitely on the coach as to the call he makes, but you can’t say it was because of a scrap or hung over (are you kidding me with the respect card and drinking?)
Jackson only played 6 minutes in the first half, Nellie sticks him in the 3rd, and he has a vintage Capt Jack 3rd quarter with 16 points. And then he runs out of gas in the 4th—after largely playing ONE QUARTER. If they are all as gassed as he was, then Nellie’s crazy substitution patterns make a little more sense.
Kawakami (and Barnett and Fitz on TV) pointed out that the 3rd quarter was driven by excellent screen and roll defense. Even if Baron wasn’t hurt, if he didn’t have the juice to play defense against the Suns high screen and roll then bringing him in wouldn’t help there (the Suns finally got their screen and roll working in the 4th regardless)
If Baron was really steamed, he would have been at the end of the bench not talking to anyone. Yet the camera caught him during a TO, talking to Jack and the other players, and gasp doing some Coaching? Would a hung over, pissed off BD do that?
I agree that I would have loved bringing Baron in to see if he could get some buckets posting up Nash, but Nellie made the call based on momentum, gambled and lost. Then again, he could have brought Baron in and still lost.
by Hac Man on
Apr 15, 2008 6:44 PM PDT
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Something doesn't make sense
Nellie and Baron started the season as best friends.
Nellie came back, largely because Baron said we needed him.
Nellie always played Baron, regardless of Baron’s performance…it’s clear that he wasn’t sitting Baron because of his poor play. He would’ve at least given him a second half chance.
Stephen Jackson sat the second quarter.
There’s a big part of this story that’s missing, and I’m dying (and very scared) to find out what it is…
by bradyk2 on
Apr 15, 2008 6:14 PM PDT
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long shot - maybe looking down the road
Nelson knew the playoffs were a long shot, and IF Baron had been up late and not prepared to give his all in the last ditch effort to make the playoffs as was rumored elsewhere, maybe maybe Nelson was sending BD a message that there is a limit to his leash and he jerked it back. Let’s face it, Baron is not easy to coach anyway, Nelson has gotten as much if not much much more out of him than most (all?) other coaches Baron has played for. IF Nelson plans to come back, maybe he was sending a message to Baron for next year, and if you don’t like the message you can opt out and play elsewhere … a power play? perhaps, but right now Nelson is holding one card, Baron the other – they can both decide whether to return but neither is likely to be as good without the other if they are in Oakland next year …
the offseason just got a whole lot more complicated than finding a PF
by hardcore on
Apr 15, 2008 6:16 PM PDT
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Thats rediculous...
No way Nellie would tank the season to send Baron a message. If he was pissed off we all know he’d say it directly to Baron…
And I think we also know that if Baron said he wanted back in the game, Nellie would have trusted him and put Baron back in…
by in for life on
Apr 15, 2008 6:24 PM PDT
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perhaps you're right
but here’s Ratto’s take today
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/16/SPNF1068LM.DTL
by hardcore on
Apr 16, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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wow wtf are you talking about
Nellie is the one that brought this team together
only thing i don’t like about him is that he doesn’t call the timeout to cool the opponent down.
baron inst going to opt out and leave this organization
by 8monta on
Apr 15, 2008 7:02 PM PDT
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I hope
we let Baron go to go get a max contract and get injured somewhere else… We don’t need that and he’s not worth that much.
by bwright32 on
Apr 15, 2008 9:30 PM PDT
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I AGREE
that was a shoddy move by nellie. he knew denver was not going to beat memphis and even if they did he knew the gassed warriors were not going to get past the lakers or hornets.
he took the last 1/2 of the last real game of the season to piss on baron for asking/complaining about playing so much and getting burnt out. that’s if i’m to guess as the conversation between the denver game and the phoenix game. something like this:
baron: (caught in a moment of frustration and poutiness) coach, dammit, i wish you hadn’t of averaged me over 40 minutes the whole season. you told me in camp i would avg 30-35. if you had done that, we’d be in the playoffs. i can’t even make a layup right now, much less defend i’m so burnt. so is our other captain (jack). he averaged 40 too when he’s got a fucked up toe, bad hammy, etc.
nellie: (thinking to himself) “you little ass”. says nothing.
fast forward to 2nd half of phoenix game…
nellie: (thinking to himself) “you little ass, you want a rest? i’ll give you a rest now that the season’s over. if we go one more game in this little fantasy of memphis beating denver it won’t be because of you!”. says nothing.
harsh? yes. but if i’m to guess that’s pretty much the way it went down.
by SUHTEEBU on
Apr 16, 2008 2:18 AM PDT
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nellie part deaux
the reason i didn’t feel too bad about the warriors missing the playoffs this year (even though i DID cry and think it’s an historical and monumental shame that they didn’t) is that in my bones i know they’d at most take one, maaaaabye two, against the lakers, hornet or spurs.
they just didn’t have the magic like last year. it seems down the stretch, the chemistry got worse, instead of better, as it did last year.
why? last year, nellie was cool. he’d join in the pre-game roundcircle thingy and go “BOOM!”. tell the press how he relied on his captains to lead and let them talk for THE COACH.
this year, as the season went on, nellie seemed more and more stressed. made things more and more about nellie. in interviews he’d say things like: “i needed pietrus to do (fill in the blank) for ME (emphasis added).
or… “i needed azubuike to give ME a break at that crucial time”.
in other words, it was shocking to hear him keep referring to ME or himself instead of the team. he talked as if it was all for his benefit that the team won, or his discredit if they lost.
when head honchos start talking like that and talking as if their subordinates exist to serve him, then it’s not good.
lastly, i know that nellie brought the magic back to the organization and they would never have done what they did last year or win 48 games this year without him. so at the end of the day i love him, but he really let his weaknesses as a coach tip the balance over his strengths in crunch time.
just my two cents.
by SUHTEEBU on
Apr 16, 2008 2:29 AM PDT
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How bout Bob Delaney...
if you want to blame someone, blame him.
by lightz0ut on
Apr 16, 2008 10:57 AM PDT
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