i dont even know what to say…... biedrins is lucky everytime he shoots? i guess his luck overwhelms the luck of every other center in this league?

dumbest blog ive ever seen, ya lets just not sign baron or biedrins and get a totally new team with no chemistry

Thanks for the response. Good info, as I said, I don’t live in the area and I only see the games that are nationally televised, I didn’t see most every game like some of you, but I did read box scores and see highlights.

The reason I want to get rid of BD isn’t because I don’t think he is a good defender or a good player, I think he is a very good player. The problem I have with him is that he is injury prone and he makes 17 mllion a year which is huge money, and I think for the future he is going to get worse and more injury prone as he gets older.

Yes I can see how having Monte and Belinelli could cause defensive problems, but if that was a problem, then why did they draft Belinelli in the first place? He’s going to only be in the game if Monte or BD sits, seems like Monte is not going to sit very much because he is too good to sit and like you said, you can’t sit BD because of defensive problems, why even draft the guy if playing him is going to cause so many problems? It doesn’t make sense.

Maybe I havn’t seen the best of Beidrins, but I think those number are scewed because Monte and BD are so good at penetrating and passing to him, a lot of centers in the league would have gotten those numbers. He doesn’t seem like a very good defender either. I am outside of the Warriors area and don’t here your local chatter, but nationally he is an unknown, a common player and I havn’t seen anything to warrent all the love he gets on the forums and blogs I have read. Maybe he will get better, but I don’t see how, he is not a classic big man, he is so skinny. HIm and Wright need to start putting some serious work in the weight room, how can they handle for example a guy like Boozer? Its a complete mismatch and the Warriors have no answer for a guy like that which most every good team has. And you have people talking about paying Biedrins 9 million when he has all those flaws, I don’t see it, I think that would be overpaying him, but like I said, I don’t see every game, maybe I would think differently if I did.

Good info about JRich, I didn’t know all that, I heard it was a salary cap move, that’s too bad they mismanaged it so poorly and had to let him go. Seems like you should do everything you can to keep a guy that seemed like a real team player and loyal to the city. Not to mention crazy skills. But I guess if you have to choose between JRich and Monte, Monte seems to fit the system better so I would probably agree although I would take a 3rd option and trade BD away and keep JRich. Also, I am not sold on Wright, he has the same problem as Biedrins, too thin to match up with the other teams big man.

But you know, maybe I need to be patient and let him and Biedrins develop, but Wright (and Belinelli) really need to get in the game more, doesn’t seem like they got many chances to develop. That killed the team down the stretch because the starters were all tired and the bench guys were too inexperienced to contribute. Maybe dump Nelly in favor of a younger guy with the same run and gun style. I think it can work if they get the right pieces in place, they just don’t have one good big man/defender/boarder, enough good consistent 3 pt shooters. That’s why I want Belinelli to play more, he can bust it out from 3 pt land, but doesn’t seem to fit in the starting lineup EVER. I just see brick after brick from Harrington. BD starts chucking it up there sometimes too much too, he is inconsistent from 3 range. JRich seemed to be good from there, they really missed that guy who could get open and hit one like he used to do.

Anyway, seems like Mullin has his work cut out for him, I think he could do a lot more if BD was off the team he would have a lot of cap space to work and be able to make the necessary moves to fix all these problems.

That have probably already been made.

1) The Warriors are competetive. no way they purposefully tanked to get the 14th pick instead of the 15th.

2) Baron Davis played all 82 games this season. Right now, he is our team.

3) Monta Ellis is not a PG. Yet, at any rate. He is an incredible player, but if he is our starting point guard, we do not make the playoffs.

4) We traded JRich so we could afford to resign Monta and Biedrins. They are both free agents now, and will want to make at least 8 million more this year than they’ve been making. That comes out to an extra 16 million dollars a year, which, ironically, was about what JRich was being payed. After all, you can’t expect Monta to keep averaging 20ppg while being payed the league minimum.

5) Unless you shoot 5 times, you don’t lead the league in fg% by getting lucky. Sure, Andris doesn’t have the most orthodox free throw form, but he is incredible at moving without the ball, has soft hands, and finishes fantastically. Plus he gets himself easy buckets because of offensive rebounds.

6) Bandwagon or not, California or not, all Warriors fans are welcome and cherished. Welcome to GSoM!

seriously, did he do something to some gsom members families? there’s absolutely no reason for the negativity he gets here, and to say we should get rid of him because “i don’t like him” is absurd

I agree with everyone who has pointed out that we’re not gaining a superstar by letting go of Baron and Beans. Here are the only stars who will really be available next year
-Gilbert Arenas
-Elton Brand
-Shawn Marion

Not saying those wouldn’t be good players, but it’s not like last year where Kidd, KG, Kobe, etc. were looking for homes.

We focus less on changing, and more on playing better.

-Have Andris, Monta, Brandan and Kosta hit the weightroom.

-Have everyone practice free throws.

-Have Baron, Stephen, Al, Monta, Marco and Buike practice 3s.

-Have Barnes work with Tony Robinson to get his confidence back.

-Draft someone good.

Play well. In my opinion, with a team that went 34 wins, 42 wins, 48 wins, don’t change anything. When we take a step back, or reach our peak and can’t get in the playoffs, change something. Till then, keep working on your games. No one on this team is very far past their peak.

Thank you for bringing up the Spurs/Suns games, anyone who saw that game and compared that with the Warriors saw that the Warriors are not in that league yet. consistent defense, consistent shooting, mental toughness, the Warriors lack that.

Some changes really need to be made if the Warriors expect to make a championship run.

In response to all the posters who say its dumb to dump BD and Biedrins, I’m not saying to just dump them outright, that would be stupid. I am saying that BD’s value right now is at its highest point. This was a contract year and guys know that and play their best and do everything they can to stay healthy. His history does not support that he will stay healthy in the future. Right now is a good time to trade him and actually get something back because his value is high. Trying to trade him when he is hurt or his skills are obviously declined and his a bloated contract will be near impossible. Again, not talking about just letting him go, get something back for him.

If they want to keep Biedrins, that wouldn’t be as bad as keeping BD, so I could get with keeping Biedrins, but I think he is overrated in the forums I have seen, I’m just saying don’t overpay for him.

In response to a previous post, if they dumped JRich to sign Monta and Biedrins, then why were those 2 guys not locked up long term? It’s only been 1 year, did those guys have only a 1 year contract?

HAHA yes I get it that many warriors fans from the bay are bleeding the city, that’s cool, I respect that, wouldn’t have it any other way. I love watching the Warriors home games on TV seeing all the fans, hearing about how its the best place in the NBA to see a game because of that, its cool. I want to see a game there someday.

But yeah, I’m not subject to any delusions, maybe I’m just a cold-hearted businessman and don’t really have any attachments to BD because I see its a good time to sell high. Responding to a previous post, I don’t think they should trade BD no matter what, i think Mully should put him on the table and field offers for him and maybe make a few offers, that’s all. If something makes sense, then take it. If not, then keep him.

MontA has got to stay, he is electric and should be the cornerstone like Dwayne Wade in Miami. I like Jax as a supporting piece, anyone else I can take or leave honestly, if it makes sense for the team then move them and get someone else in here that fits the system. I would prefer to keep Belinelli because they need at least 1 good 3 point shooter, and I like Azubuke and Pietrus, but those guys are role players and can be replaced. A few names I wouldn’t mind seeing brought in, Shawn Marion, Brand, Jermaine O’Neill, Artest would be awesome, get some defensive attitude, seems like a lot of possibilities out there to make the team better.

But yeah, I’m not married to some of the players like some fans are so it may be easier for me to let them go. However, I am engaged to Monta HAHA, oh wait, I shouldn’t say that Gavin Newsome might get ideas.

I like what your sayin, everybody keeps talkin about tradin baron for a number 1 draft pick, not signin beans, hello? were on the rise were getting better and can only improve once again. I wish barnes could find his confidence again, last year in our playoff run he was my 2nd favorite player next to baron during that time simply cause he did everything that doesn’t show up in the stat book to win, and also he was very consistent from three. I think that he was the biggest reason why we didn’t make the playoffs this year just like i think he was one of the bigger reasons why we did make the playoffs last year because he was our bench but he was nowhere to be found this year. As far as getting a power forward there is so many scenarios and they all usually mean we lose either monta, baron or beans which we can’t lose! i think we should sign leon powe, oakland native, strong physical does the dirty work type of guy, the only reason why he doesnt play much now is because of kevin garnett. As far as draft, i like darrell arthur, i like chris douglas roberts. Darrell Arthur is a ball hawk, can board and is athletic, CDR is long and we could use his going to the basket skills off the bench when our three’s arent goin down

Well I think the team could get worse, they certainly got worse at the end of the year that was a brutal finish. I can’t really blame the players if they were tired, the fault of that could fall on Nelly.

But also if you can’t stop anyone defensively, that is a problem. So they need a bigman. And it wouldn’t hurt to get a 3-point shooter or two considering the offensive gameplan is fast-breaks and shooting 3-pointers. Keep your best 3-pt shooter on the bench in Bellinelli, that makes a lot of sense.

I’m not saying the team would have been better starting Bellinelli, Baron and Monta were the best players and should play most of the time, but you have a team that can’t utilize their best 3-pt shooter, has Harrington bricking instead, doesn’t have an adequate bench to allow the starters to rest, doesn’t have a strong defensive presence inside, the team isn’t working as it is now is what I am saying.

Therefore, there needs to be some changes. The team needs to find players that can fit the offense. I love that the team has a gimmick in being pretty much the only team who has the run and gun, people say it can’t work to win a championship, I think that is bogus. The Suns probably would have won it all last year with this strategy except for a few bogus calls against the Spurs.

The difference between the Suns last year and the Warriors this year? The Suns had a strong defensive presence in Stoudamire who can also board and run it which the Warriors don’t have. Also some better 3 – pt shooters could really help, the Ukraine olympic team killed our American “dream team” in 2004 because they could bust 3 pounters non-stop. If the Warriors want to have 3-pounters a large part of the offensive plan they need to have guys that can hit it consistently which they don’t have now.

A guy like Glen Rice used to be, just a 3-pount shooter savant would be nice, the problem isn’t getting open for 3-pt shot attempts, its hitting those shots. But I know Glen Rice was a guard, he wouldn’t even get any PT if he was on the team! So you got to get a forward who can hit shots. Jax is ok, a guy like Peja would be great.

So maybe we could use Baron as tradebait, his value is high and I don’t believe he is going to stay healthy in the future, this was a contract year and I don’t trust it.

I think moving him Monta to the pount would work, then moving Bellinelli up the chart, and using the 17 million of cap space on a big man and some better role players. That would be good now and for the future.

If they don’t do that, they are running the risk of having BD get hurt and not being able to move him because his contract is so bloated. The current situation is not working, and I see that as the obvious and best solution.

you’re batting .250, 1 for 4 on the spelling of your names, maybe you should go play for the giants HAHA I’m sure their roster is perfect too. Should be a warning label on all your fossets up there.

nelly won’t be back if we let baron go! Please…. lets think this over shall we?

1. BD , Ellis, Jax all take clutch shots and give us the best chance to win ball games.
2. Bellinilli has a lot to prove(need to work on his defense, he looks lost most of the time)
3. Beans is sucha valuable part of our ‘defense’ and he knows how to get rebounds!
4. Al, pietrus expendable for a defense rebounding center in rotation with biedrins or a dominant PF.

—my takes—-

would be so cool to see Brand and Marion play for the dubs… do u guys agree?

loon? Most of you think the team doesn’t need to make any moves, just resign what already produced a non-playoff year and I am the loon? Get real.

Can we get Brand or J O’Neal and keep basically the same roster as the past year, would the salaries work? Hmmm, probably a big fat no because of the big fat bloated contract of BD.

I am not hating on BD, I am hating on the contract that is preventing the Warriors from spending money to get the big man they need.

There is no room in the cap, how else are they going to make any moves? Unless they get a lucky lottery pick, I don’t see any light at the end of this tunnel. If they don’t get a lottery pick, they need to do something because the current roster is not working and that’s the bottom line.

What do you people want to hear, that this team as it is right now is going to magically take leaps and bounds in skill, consistency and defense and be able to compete with the Lakers, Suns, Spurs, Hornets,

First of all Mullin made a mistake by trading away the heart and soul of this team. If we had JRich this year we would be seeing the Warriors playing the Hornets as the 7th seed. He was the most productive 3 pt shooter in the league 243 to be exact at 41%. He would of gave Baron and Jackson at least 10 minutes less playing time and more rest for the post season run. I’m sure Monta would have still developed his game, but as a 6th man off the bench. We would be able to match any offers but I think if his playing time was reduced, his stats would have resulted in us matching a contract probably 2-3 million less/year. We would probably be matching Biedrins contract and trying to trade Al/Pietrus for a salary room. We wouldn’t have Brandon Wright, but could pick up in the offseason a second tier rebounder like a Reggie Evans or Carl Landry to fill in until we get lucky in the draft and find our future PF. Cost cutting move, but the Warriors would have made more than enough to cover by making the playoffs and keeping last year’s team intact. Even Nellie said this years team wasn’t as good as last years. When do you think Brandon Wright will start dominating Stoudamire, Boozer, and Duncan?

ok some support, that is nice, thanks for that. Yeah it broke my heart too when JRich left, seems like they should have figured out a way to keep him even if it meant letting someone else go. But if it truly was Monta or JRich I would have to go with Monta because he is younger, so maybe no avoiding that one, I don’t know all the details there. They still have good pieces and I agree with another poster, they are only a move or 2 away from putting the puzzle together.

I don’t agree that Monta can’t be the point. I don’t know why that is assumed that he can’t play that position. Usually you say that about taller guards that are good shooters, those guys like Kobe or JRich. Monta is not a classic shooting guard, he is small, fast, has great handles and vision, he has all the skills to be a point guard. Maybe he doesn’t have the experience at that spot yet, I think he probably needs to develop and learn that position more, but I think he could be great at it. With how deadly of a shooter he is he would get so much attention when he penetrates and then he could bust the shot or dish and give Biedrins an easy basket like he gets or Harringont for the open 3 pt shot brick, that seems to make perfect sense, where am I wrong here?

Then with the money that frees up get a big man that can contend with Boozer, Duncan, Stoudamire. Because as of now I don’t think Biedrins or Wright will be able to do that. I see them having problems with guys like Gasol and even Chandler too. Some people are talking about just having them beef up in the offseason. I am all for that, but the problem is that getting them to beef up is not something that we just discovered would help them. We already knew putting on some weight would be good for their games. They had all of last offseason to do that and they didn’t. Maybe they can’t. Some guys just don’t have the metabolism for it. I hope they do. I hope I am wrong about that. But I don’t think I am.

I want to disagree that Monta and BD are not good together because they are too similar and take points away from each other which I think is partly true, but before I get angry replies, I take that back because the offense was the highest scoring in the league, so I can’t really say that. The defense is the problem. We don’t need to be the Pistons, just middle of the road defense could work.

But I would take a downgrade from BD to a guy like Bibby or Monta at the point if it meant that they could add a guy like Brand. I think a move like that may hurt the offense slightly, but would could improve the defense dramatically. Couple that move with dumping Harrington in favor of a forward that can actually shoot 3-pounters like Peja Stouakovich and I think the team would be sitting pretty. But probably guys like Peja, forwards who can shoot 3’s don’t grow on trees, so don’t know how possible that would be….

HAHA, yeah, I didn’t mean to say that we can trade Harrington for Peja they would not do that, just that Harrington doesn’t really fit the team because they use him as a 3-pt shooter and he can’t shoot 3’s, so get someone that can, not necessarily Peja, don’t know if there are any guys out there that could fit the bill and that the Warriors could obtain, but there are a lot of players out there, seems like they could work something out somewhere.

Also, not necessarily Brand, but that type of bigman. Again, I know guys like that don’t grow on trees, but we do have BD to offer up, he is valuable, I don’t know if the Clippers would be interested or what, but maybe some team would be interested.

Good info about Wright, I didn’t know he put on weight like that. We’ll see how much more weight he can put on. It really surprises me that he was actually skinnier before, I saw him during one of the suns game next to Shaq and he looked anorexic. But yeah I hope he continues to gain weight, if him and Biedrins could do that of course I am all in favor.

But that is still a big “IF”, I don’t have complete confidence in that. If waiting for them to gain weight is the plan they should get a stop gap like Ronny Turiaf, he didn’t even make a million this year, maybe we could get him for cheap.

I’m not saying that getting rid of BD’s contract would automatically net us a bigman that we need, but I think it is a necessary step to clear the cap room to get a good bigman that will also have a fairly high salary. Maybe it would be a trade if like you said there are no free agents like that. Or if no one is interested in a trade, then of course just don’t dump Baron outright, that would be stupid, I say shop him around, if no takers then get a stopgap like Turiaf and then see how the year goes and keep eyes open for possibilities to fix the D and acquire a good 3 pt shooter. They need to make some moves is what I am saying, and BD is a expendable because they have Monta and also necessary to clear the cap space to get another guy. Please don’t angrily reply, I like BD, just a business move.

Also quick question, I was doing a google search for players salaries and I see that Bibby has a fairly high salary as well so I retract my suggestion of downgrading BD to a guy like Bibby so they can clear cap space for a bigman. I assumed Bibby made like 8 or 9 million and I was incorrect about that.

Also during my search, I saw that on the Warriors payroll for this year and next year is a guy named Adonal Foyle. It says the Warriors are paying him just about 10 million for each of the next 2 seasons. But he is on another team now making 1.5 million. Is that correct or was that a misprint? Hoopshype.com was the source.

Anywho…
While I wouldn’t call Biedrins “average,” I wouldn’t necessarily throw a bucket of money at him either. The guy can obviously give us a lot of double-doubles, and while is as skinny as all get-up, he plays great defense. If anything, he gets called for a lot of phantom fouls. That said, it was a bit disconcerting when he was reluctant to post-up Steve Nash in one of those end-of-season debacles. Post-ups aren’t really in keeping with the ‘Dubs style, so I guess that it’s not too big of a concern. He’s tall, talented, and young, so he is going to command a relatively big salary.
I too have my concerns about Baron’s health and salary. The guy is flat-out fun to watch. As much as I would love to see the Warriors go deep into the playoffs etc., right now I’m pretty content with their entertainment value. I would much rather watch the Warriors of the past couple of seasons than the Spurs, Jazz, Pistons, or other, IMHO, boring teams.
The Warriors certainly do not play great defense per se, but they get a lot of steals and blocks, and for the most part play clean. The team that are supposed great defensive squads like the Spurs and Jazz play hard and dirty (ie. Bowen and Boozer). Those guys get away with murder, while guys like Biedrins continually get shafted by the refs ‘cause they are young and don’t have the rep yet.
And don’t get me wrong, I love Nellie, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him hand over the reins to say, Keith Smart. If we do stay pretty much pat with the roster, then we need to start playing the young guys. I don’t buy the argument that Nellie is going to change his style all of a sudden and start playing Wright et al next year. With the benefit of hindsight, we really should have played Wright a lot more. Bellinelli can be a solid contributor as well. For some reason there is a lot of hate for a guy who got very little PT and virtually no chance to get comfortable.
Keep the roster pretty much intact, add a couple a solid bench players if you can, play the young guys more, and don’t get in Nellie’s way if he wants to go back to playing golf in Maui. Other than that, just enjoy the fact that the Warriors are the most exciting/entertaining team in the league. Tim Duncan baseline jumpers off the backboard might win, but watching “big fundamentals” is, as George Carlin would say, “Like watching two flies @#$%.”