Recap: Warriors 92, Spurs 116- The Loss Will Not Be Televised + Monta Ellis vs Tony Parker
For Warriors fans it was one of those nights. Take your pick of evils:
- Getting blown out by the San Antonio Spurs.
- Slipping down to the 9th spot with tonight's Nuggets win against the Suns in Denver. Check out Nuggets Slip Past Suns (126-120) [Bright Side of the Sun] and Pickaxe and Roll for more.
- Having to listen to the homerish Spurs announcing crew on NBA League Pass.
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Besides the odd fisheye lens view anyone notice anything else wrong with this picture?
I promise this is more interesting than the actual game... after the jump!

The Loss in 2 Bullets
Plain and simple. The Warriors got beat by a better team. I know it sucks because it's during this crazy juncture of this season and I know I was foolish enough to predict that the Warriors would get this W, but in all seriousness did you really think they were going to win this one? The good news is they still won the season series against the Spurs for the first time in... well, quite some time. Here's the bad news:
- Points in the Paint: Excuse the bad analogy, but it was like the Warriors were working with preschool paintbrushes and the Spurs were hitting them with fully loaded top of the line paint guns. Part of it was Nellie thinking it was cool to have Austin Croshere man the interior for extended periods. Part of it was Andris Biedrins' usual softness down low (still I would've liked Nellie to play him more than 15:50 tonight as he was rebounding the rock really well). Part of it was the awful perimeter defense on the slashing guards. Heck part of it was just Tim Duncan and Tony Parker scoring at will in the paint like they do against every other team in the association. But everyone on the Warriors roster, coaching staff, and front office (even Gary St. Jean could find Erick Dampier who could defend the rim exceptionally on occasion- rare occasions like Chinese New Year and Diwali though) was responsible for giving the Spurs a whopping 62 points in the paint advantage to the Dubs measly 28 tonight.

The Warriors made the Spurs look like Black & Decker.
- The Big 3 Minus 2.5: Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, and Monta Ellis just didn't have it tonight. Baron was playing tough and scoring reasonably well, so I'll give him a 0.5 here. However he just wasn't distributing the rock on par with his usual brilliance. Jack's 2 for 12 just aren't going to cut it, especially when he was so quiet on defense, didn't really set up others, or make a big contribution on the glass. When Monta shoots 5 for 16 and has 5 turnovers the Warriors just aren't going to win many ball games.
I hate to say it, but it's really that simple. Terrible defense + 2.5 of the big 3 against the San Antonio Spurs on the road = Blowout Loss. It's a good thing this game wasn't televised locally in the Bay Area.
The Spurs D vs the Warriors No-O in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter summed up in one pic.
Bench the Bench
When I was recapping the Blazers game less than a week ago I boldly proclaimed that Nellie Knows What's Wright and pleaded for fans and the media to quit bashing the legend. I went on to say that it was both ignorant and arrogant for critics to question his usage of the bench particularly talented, but extremely raw rookie Brandan Wright unless they go to practice day in and day out. As you can probably imagine that didn't sit too well with many golden folk in the comments. Before we look at what the rookie crew did tonight I'll pass the mic on over to Nellie:
"I have the benefit of seeing these guys every day in practice," Nelson said. "You guys (the media and fans) only see what happens in games. You see something missing on the court and think, 'try that guy.' But I know what he can do and what he can't do."
Definitely do check out the rest of GSoM friend Marcus Thompson's piece Youngsters have to be ready while they wait and wait [Contra Costa Times] for more.
Tonight:
- Brandan Wright (12:00): 1 bucket, 1 rebound, 1 blocked shot, 1 blocked shot attempt, and 0 assists. Sorry, but doesn't exactly seem like the kind of material that would help the Warriors win right now during the EVERY GAME COUNTS final stretch. Check his game log. You only play him right now in very select spot situations. Nothing more nothing less. We're trying to win games here right now and establish a winning culture, not develop players for the future who might be good players. Nellie knows this. Do you?
- Kosta Perovic (6:50): It was complete garbage minutes because of the score, but let's look at the bright side. Expiring contract next year!
- Marco Belinelli (4:38): Straight 0's all across the statline except for 1. 1 wild airball that is. (I can't remember if he was forced to shoot it because the shot clock was winding down though, so that airball might not be his fault.)
As a sidenote I find it funny how Kosta (+1) and Marco Belinelli (+6) were the only Warriors aside from Biedrins (+2) to rack up a positive +/- for the game. The +/- stat seems helpful over the course of a 82 game season and for looking the best 5 man units, but I'm still not sold on using it for individual game analysis. I know our buddy Tim Kawakami from the San Jose Mercury sees and uses the +/- stat differently than I do though and he's a sharp guy, so I admittedly could be missing something critical here. Sounds like a great topic for another time.
Monta Ellis vs Tony Parker
I've never really been a big fan of Tony Parker's game (his game on the hardwood that is, as his game with the ladies is just phenomenal!), but watching the game I couldn't help but think that Parker (current age 25) and Monta Ellis (current age 22) were just mirror images of each other. I first made this comparison over 2 years ago when Monta was just a rookie who barely played when the Warriors, much like tonight, got spanked by the Spurs (Recap: Warriors 75, Spurs 92 from 2/25/06):
Monta Ellis. This season Monta's had some fine moments. He's been a bright spot all season long. Monta's lightening quick, tough, has handles and a nice shooting touch. I've had a tough time this season imagining what he could be when he develops. I think I've finally figured it out. In his prime Monta is going to be a tougher version of Tony Parker with a better outside shot.
I've never been a big fan of Tony Parker's game. I think Duncan and Pop's schemes make him look a lot better than he really is by hiding his shortcomings. Parker's a good player, but not a superstar as Fitz and Barnett were calling him on the Warriors TV broadcast tonight. If Baron was on the Spurs he'd be 10x better than Parker. Monta's going to be better than Tony Parker some day too. He might never be as appreciated, but he'll be better.
And oh yeah, since I know you're wondering- Yes, Monta will have a fine lady too.
So just for fun let's compare the two quick as lightening little men now 2 years from that piece (since it's much more fun than talking about this game anymore).
- Scoring: They both get you a shade under 20 at a gaudy overall field goal rate. Both are excellent finishers, although Monta's more fun to watch because he can get up much higher. Monta's got a pretty money midrange jumper (though he's been struggling as of late with that shot), but Parker's shown to be a far better 3pt threat. Last season Parker actually hit 39.5% of his tries from downtown. Monta just don't have a 3pt shot right now. Edge- Even.
- Passing: I don't think either is a great distributing point guard or someone with great court vision. However, Parker does seem far ahead of Monta in this regard (TP- 5.8 apg vs ME- 3.8 apg). Edge- Tony Parker.
- Rebounding: Parker really isn't a major factor on the glass (3.2 rpg this season), but you could argue there's not as many boards to go around with the slower paced Spurs and bigger and better frontline. Still I'm going with Monta's 4.8 rpg here. Edge- Monta Ellis.
- Defense: Let's just say neither will be winning the Defensive Player of the Year honors any time this century. Edge- Whoever they're guarding that night.

Neither guy has a chance in hell at stopping the other.
But let's dive into this comparison even further because when I was looking at the stats I'm afraid I uncovered something scary and maybe even somewhat of a red flag for Warriors management when they're thinking contract extension this offseason and for hoop junkies to temper their sky high expectations for Monta. When I first began this little adventure, the first question I had was what were Eva's man's stats when he was Monta's current age of 22 and how do they compare.
2007-2008 (through 72 games played) Monta Ellis [age 22]
37:53 min- 19.9 ppg (53.1% FG, 21.7% 3pt, 77.3% FT), 3.8 apg, 4.8 rpg, 1.4 steals
2004-2005 Tony Parker [age 22- although 23 looks like a much closer comparison stats-wise]
34.12 min- 16.6 ppg (48.2% FG, 27.6% 3pt, 65.0% FT), 6.1 apg, 3.7 rpg, 1.2 steals
So let's look at Tony Parker's stats over the course of the following 3 seasons:
2005-2006 Tony Parker [age 23]
33:53 min- 18.9 ppg (54.8% FG, 30.6% 3pt, 70.7% FT), 5.8 apg, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 steals
2006-2007 Tony Parker [age 24]
32:30 min- 18.6 ppg (52.0% FG, 39.5% 3pt, 78.3% FT), 5.5 apg, 3.3 rpg, 1.1 steals
2007-2008 (through 61 games played) Tony Parker [age 25]
32:47 min- 18.5 ppg (49.0% FG, 28.1% 3pt, 71.5% FT), 5.8 apg, 3.2 rpg, and 0.8 steals
Really seems like Tony Parker leveled off fast doesn't it?
Makes you wonder and possibly even temper your enthusiasm about Monta's upside over the next few seasons. Now I'm not saying that Monta can't make any further huge strides in his game, but the Parker precedent if you will, really makes you stop and think.

I can't really say I walked away really impressed with any Warrior player's production tonight. However watching the Spurs homerish broadcast team was just painful. Don't get it twisted though. Sean Elliot's a solid color man (you know what I mean, but why did that phrase just sound so odd?) on ESPN, but when teamed up with the Spurs play-by-play guy it's just flat out annoying and incredibly biased. At one point the Spurs play-by-play man was jokingly chiding Elliot for siding with the refs and not rooting for the Spurs enough on a call that clearly should and did go to the Warriors. At one point (although they made some valid points) they were blatantly mocking Biedrins' league leading field goal percentage for being meaningless.
Makes you really appreciate Bob Fitzgerald and Jim Barnett. So Fitz and Barnett get my award tonight. Thanks for bringing it every night fellas!
Photo: AP Photo/Eric Gay + D. Clarke Evans/NBAE via Getty Images
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No need to panic
by houseofprime2 on Apr 1, 2008 11:04 PM PDT 0 recs
I hope Dirk does play tomorrow...

copy & paste: geocities.com/nellieballtee
by JonDoe on
Apr 2, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
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exactly
I MAY BE HOMER BUT I MAY NOT BE DOUBTER
by Lat We N Trash on
Apr 2, 2008 10:27 AM PDT
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wow
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Apr 1, 2008 11:04 PM PDT 0 recs
Some concerns for the Warriors
As for Tony Parker leveling off, it could be because he's one of the 3 main players on the team, so he can't hog up all the stats each year and continue to grow on paper.
In the end, this is a painful loss on several levels: we're at #9 now, we didn't show up, and the Spurs make our flaws really easy to see.
Finally, based on how everyone talked about the Spurs commentators, I'm GLAD my work computer didn't have speakers.
by IQofaWarrior on Apr 1, 2008 11:08 PM PDT 0 recs
Definitely see the ME TP comparisons
by belilaugh on Apr 1, 2008 11:25 PM PDT 0 recs
Terrible
by ghostridebaron on Apr 1, 2008 11:26 PM PDT 0 recs
Monta vs. Tony Parker
Bring on the BD Show!!!
by dajrichshow on Apr 1, 2008 11:28 PM PDT 0 recs
dam
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Apr 1, 2008 11:29 PM PDT 0 recs
Just wondering
by montasmob69 on Apr 1, 2008 11:35 PM PDT 0 recs
Gotta Keep Believing...
This year...negative thoughts only bring negative results!
Yes, it was a tough loss tonight...but we lost to the Spurs last April too...did we really think we were going to sweep the Spurs! (There I go with the negative thoughts!)
I think...between the Warriors and Mavericks, the Warriors have a better schedule.
Warriors play Mavs, Grizz, Hornets, Kings, Nuggets, Clips, Suns, Sonics
Mavs play Warriors, Lakers, Suns, Sonics, Jazz, Blazers, Sonics, Hornets.
I still think the Jazz is going to join our race...after the Timberwolves tomorrow...they've got the hardest schedule ahead of them...Spurs, Hornets, Mavs, Nuggets, Rockets, and Spurs. (I hate the Jazz...I hope they lose their last 6 games!)
by zbay595 on Apr 1, 2008 11:55 PM PDT 0 recs
I started the game liking the commentators
I'm surprised they actually had better things to say when Davis was called a technical. (For a second there, I had a flashback of the April Fools joke. It was the knee! The knee!)
But yah, unlike the Spurs team those commentators just downright sucks.
by lightz0ut on Apr 1, 2008 11:58 PM PDT 0 recs
boring as hell
boring to score 116 and hold the highest scoring team to under 100, breaking a pretty impressive streak
boring to have a dynamic pg, sg/sf, and center
boring to be a year-in and year-out championship caliber franchise
boring to play team bball, have a coach who emphasizes defense, and have a bench contributing regularly
boring to have an air of expecting to win rather than hoping to win
boring to know home court advantage throughout the playoffs is the goal - in October
for the chuck&duck lovers out there, it's a good thing it wasn't televised because we don't have reality staring us straight in the face that there's a whole 'nuther level of NBA and we're not in it - not yet anyway
- we believe, we're back, we know - it's all show
tired of hearing that SA is boring? ya, unless of course you're interested in winning a ring
were the '75 Dubs boring? they had a dynamic pg, sg/sf, and two-headed center with a coach who stressed defense & team ball
damn, history sure is boring
by hardcore on Apr 2, 2008 12:02 AM PDT 0 recs
all that stuff
by gsw4life on
Apr 2, 2008 12:34 AM PDT
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moniker change?
y'r right, maybe i should change my signature to hardcore ...
by hardcore on
Apr 2, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
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Biedrins' FG percentage
by 1rabidwarriorsfan on Apr 2, 2008 12:10 AM PDT 0 recs
am I missing something?
by gsw4life on Apr 2, 2008 12:31 AM PDT 0 recs
Hello
by buky on
Apr 2, 2008 8:00 AM PDT
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I had a feeling...
by triplesix on
Apr 2, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
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man
by lowchi on Apr 2, 2008 12:43 AM PDT 0 recs
commentating
they could have two channels one for clean commentating and one for explicit..
We %&@#ing Believe
by highflya on Apr 2, 2008 1:13 AM PDT 0 recs
The loss and ME/TP comparisons
As far as Tony Parker vs Monta Ellis is concerned: I agree with Atma Brother One in the sense that Monta is way more atheletic. However, you left out the intangibles: winning. Tony has won since he's been in the league. Part of that is being in the system that Popovich set up (and getting yelled at all day for a few years), most of it is about being on a team with Duncan. Monta still has a little ways to go to be a winner on that level (TP was finals MVP), but he definitely made some strides this year. If you think about it, he was pretty much a non factor in the playoffs last year; he seemed overwhelmed at times. Also TP has a little bit of a post up game. If he gets into the paint and picks up the ball, he has a chance to use his pivot skills to get the bucket. Granted, Monta usually just gets to the rim, but that would be a nice little wrinkle to add along with everything else he's already got going. Sky's the limit with Monta.
by generic username on Apr 2, 2008 6:42 AM PDT 0 recs
Comparing TP/Monta based on stat per game...
TP plays for one of the slowest team in the league while Monta plays for the fastest.
Sure Monta's gonna have bigger stats just because there're tons of shots available in Dubs O compared to SA where "give the ball to Duncan and wait for at least 15 in the shot clock to start something" is the norm.
TP would kill Monta on comparaison based on possesion usage.
by bobbybob0 on Apr 2, 2008 8:17 AM PDT 0 recs
Tony vs Monta...
by triplesix on Apr 2, 2008 8:34 AM PDT 0 recs
I asked this...
by triplesix on Apr 2, 2008 8:39 AM PDT 0 recs
Spurs announcers
by All About The W on Apr 2, 2008 8:40 AM PDT 0 recs
Spurs Commentators
Pray for the guy
by B Randon on Apr 2, 2008 9:03 AM PDT 0 recs
Commentators
PS. Free Tolbert, ESPN and ABC!
by generic username on
Apr 2, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
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half court offense...
nelly, have any clue?
"No Respect! I tell you man, No Respect!"
by oldskool on Apr 2, 2008 9:10 AM PDT 0 recs
W's half court offense is...
I know Nellie likes to coach for mis matches, but sometimes a few set plays, especially when there really isn't a mismatch to exploit, could help get the offense jump started.
by generic username on
Apr 2, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
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Crystal Ball
Side note: Can anyone tell me anything about this website, fanprice.com? There's banners on the page, but I want to know if it's legit before I get tickets through them.
by thegoldenman on Apr 2, 2008 10:28 AM PDT 0 recs
So it is written, so let it be done!
We beat them tonight, then Memphis, I'll even throw in a loss to NO just to be fair, take care of the kings, Denver, Clippers, I'll throw in a loss at Pheonix, finish out with a win over Seattle and poof #7.
BTW, on your side note, I got my tickets to the Denver game through Fanprice! Got a nice deal too. I got an e-mail from them through my myspace the other day and it worked out! They also advertise on the GSOM myspace page.
by TheBeard on
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Monta v. Parker

then we will fight in the shade.
by Swamp Thing on Apr 2, 2008 10:29 AM PDT 0 recs
Monta's contract
Motivated - He's shown that he can and does work on improving his game, and I'm sure he will continue to do so. He honestly should be in the running to get Most Improved Player again this year (from 16 ppg to 20 ppg, and a great shooting percentage and all those highlights), but they won't give it to him, and probably give it to Bynum (and he would be deserving, also).
Durable - for all the falls and hard drives and high jumping he does, he has not had a major injury yet, and continues to get back up (I remember reading somewhere, someone calling him D. Wade 2.0).
Young - many great years ahead of him, future building block.
Humble - no matter how much praise is given to him, I haven't ever heard him say he deserved it. He always says that he just tries to do what is asked of him by the coaches and whatever helps the team.
PS: Yes! The Warriors finally drafted some people worth spending money on!
by generic username on
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I really want to make an interesting comment...
by MAZarate21 on Apr 2, 2008 11:08 AM PDT 0 recs
Do the
by warrior510 on Apr 2, 2008 11:44 AM PDT 0 recs
spurs
by saintdee on
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Warrior Wonder
by The Barnes Supremacy on Apr 2, 2008 12:07 PM PDT 0 recs
Spurs fan here
- Sean Elliott and Bill Land (the play by play guy) are horrible. I actually like Elliot on his own, but I think he gets sucked into Land's homerism and can't help himself. We used to have Dick Stockton and Elliott on a nightly basis and it was awesome. I'm embarrassed that out of market league pass fans have to listen to that crap.
- The Monta/Parker comparison is interesting. Ellis has obviously got more hops than Parker, but I don't think Parker is far behind him in the speed department. The thing that has impressed me the most about Parker is that every year in his career, with the possible exception of this year, he has gotten better. You can just tell that the guy works endlessly at his game. And that stat that Parker is a better 3-pt shooter? Forget about it. He takes one about every 5 games. His outside shoot has always been his achilles heel.
by Gervin44 on Apr 2, 2008 12:49 PM PDT 0 recs
I went to the game
by Longhorn Warrior on Apr 2, 2008 1:04 PM PDT 0 recs
Wright
by NuestroOcho on Apr 2, 2008 2:42 PM PDT 0 recs
atma one...
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