Do we want to keep AB?

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 12:23 PM PDT Comment 98 comments

First I have to say that i really like beidrens, i think he is a hard worker, good teammate, and hustler.But the guys interior defense is the worst. He is extremely soft. He simply can't hold his position against anyone, and if i see him just stand there arms raised as someone drives into him and gets an and 1, i'm gonna go crazy, go for the block! At least when wright is in there his fouls are on block attempts. the only reason i bring this up is that the guy is up for a new contract, so is he worth top 10 center money? What do you guys think of a sign and trade? This team an inside defensive presense, to take some of the pressure off our guards.

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Heh...

First, ask Iggy.

Second, the reason AB does that is so that he doesn't get called for lots of fouls. If he tried to block every single shot attempt that came down the lane he'd foul out in 3 minutes flat because our guards play defense like a sieve. AB is a good player and well worth a good contract. I hope his recent play has had an effect on his agents asking price though... I hope.

If we don't resign AB, what're we going to do with the money and who are we going to play at center? If there's no better alternative, which there isn't, and he's not asking for crazy money, we really have to pay the man as we don't really have an alternative.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Resign AB the Goose ...and Monta Ellis. it's a must.

Beans in 3 years will develop a 3pt shot and shoot 37% beyond the arc.

He will also average a quadruple double in pts, reb, asst's. and blk's.

It's gonna happen I promise.

And No NoTORious TOR...

I'm not smokin.

Thanks.

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Apr 3, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahahaha

first ask iggy....HAHAHAHAHA ROFL

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Apr 3, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No better alternative?

Have you heard of this kid called B. Wright? Bedrins is the worst, he plays scared, and simply gets out of the way whenever someone is driving 9 times out of 10. Get rid of him.

by silence da haters on Apr 3, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

BWright is locked up for next year

Who can we get for next year that'd be better than Beans.

I'm not even going to discuss Beans vs. BWright, so please don't try.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone that plays with Courage

Nate Robinson maybe?

by silence da haters on Apr 3, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wright's a 4 yo

He will play with Biedrins, not instead of him.

Lock Biedrins up, get rid of the short term memory people, he has played very good this year.

by belilaugh on Apr 3, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the worst?

You've got a curious definition of "the worst" there. Although he is "the worst", the Warriors have performed better when he's been on the court than when he's been off the court. I

by jae on Apr 7, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

asdf

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKIN?

"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"

by the noTORious TOR on Apr 3, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

can you please

tell me what he does so well that makes him worth top 10 center money? He can't score on his own, wright ( a rookie ) has more offense, and we do need inside scoring or threat of to open up shooters. But more importantly NO INSIDE DEFENSIVE PRESENSE, remember landry from houston (rookie) ate him up.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Sigh...

Take a look around the league and give me 10 centers you'd rather have on the team. No, Shaq doesn't count. You might be able to name 10, but not many more. When you add that to the fact that he's 21, you see why he might be valuable.

To give a little perspective, he's 2 months older than Al Horford.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My bad...

Yesterday was his B-Day. Happy 22 Andris!

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

biedrens is good

but we interior defense and he doesn't provide that? I'm not that big on stats, just impact, and biedrens has no impact gets driven on by guards, easily backed down by bigs. He is ideal off bench not starting. Lets just be honest with ourselves.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

we don't have any interior defense

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not everybody can be Tim Duncan

Interior defense only comes into play because our guards (ESPECIALLY MONTA) let people walk right through. Often, he's the only person rebounding. Did you see the play last night where he dove over Dampier to tip the ball... problem was that the only other players near the basket were Dirk and JHoward. This was on a DEFENSIVE rebound. That's inexcusable for a basketball team.

Beans isn't perfect. But he's damn good and he's a rare commodity (good young big man). We need to expect more out of the rest of the guys as well. It's not like football, you have to play both ends of the court.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Imagine...

You are the only big man on a basketball team. Then imagine that nobody else can stop their man at all. Then imagine that you have been told to keep your fouls down by your coach because you led the league in fouls the year before.

I think that Beans is doing great considering he has to be ready from all sides all the time and not try to pick up fouls. Don't dump him, get him some effin help!

sarunas is my father

by williedillssf on Apr 4, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Impact

Here's impact: When he's been on the court, the Warriors have done better than when he's been on the bench more often than not.

by jae on Apr 7, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AB just doesn't have the muscle

Nelson and the warriors staff don't want their players to be too bulky. Hence i think AB has maybe even lost weight since he was drafted (Heard he was something like 235 now).

AB is a good help defender and defensive rebounder. That's his value to the team.

I don't think you can say Wright would be any better of a man-to-man defender than AB.

The main thing that concerns me about AB is his lack of creating his own offense in the low post. He creates his own offense off cutting and pick and rolls to the basket. He still seems to rush his moves when going to the basket. He often only has one move, utilizing a right turn into the lane with a short lefty baby hook. He has shown little/no counter moves or spin back moves. Rarely uses the pump fake. He's still young so hopefully he can develop this.

At once we were saying it might take Chris Kaman money to get a deal done. I hope it costs much less now. 5/$40.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Apr 3, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AB's D

I am a big Andris supporter, but I have to somewhat agree with you on his defense. Last year we were all saying that all Beans had to do was limit his fouls so that he could stay on the floor more (his per minute stats were and are great). This year he seems to have improved on his fouling (foul rate) but his blocks are down and his overall D has suffered.

Does this mean we should pass on him? heck no.

Here is something I put together a while ago that might shed some light on AB's worth.

Do some people here over-rate AB? Yeah, sure. But there are also a few people here that under-rate him considerably. The big question here seems to be "How much is AB worth?"

Well, lets take a look at the numbers. I've chosen three guys who's games are similar to AB's and are no longer on their rookie scale contract. Hopefully this will give us a little perspective as to where Andris fits in. Keep in mind that these are most likely the same players that AB's agent will be pointing to when it comes time to re-sign him.

I decided to use stats per 36 minutes. This should give us an idea how these guys would compare if they were all playing average starter minutes. Note: these are stats from this season only.

Chandler $11.39 Mil/yr
Age 25 MP 2060 FGM/A 5.0 8.3 .600% FTM/A 2.4 4.0 .603% Reb 12.7 Ast 1.1 Stl 0.6 Blk 1.0 Tov 1.9 PF 3.1 Pts 12.3

Dalembert $10.94 Mil/yr
Age 26 MP 2079 FGM/A 4.7 9.1 .517% FTM/A 2.5 3.5 .724% Reb 11.0 Ast 0.6 Stl 0.5 Blk 2.5 Tov 1.9 PF 3.5 Pts 12.0

Kaman $10.4 Mil/yr
Age 25 MP 1976 FGM/A 5.9 12.3 .478% FTM/A 3.4 4.5 .751% Reb 12.4 Ast 1.8 Stl 0.6 Blk 2.7 Tov 2.9 PF 3.0 Pts 15.1

Biedrins ????
Age 21 MP 1521 FGM/A 5.8 9.3 .627% FTM/A 1.8 2.9 .612% Reb 12.5 Ast 1.4 Stl 0.9 Blk 1.5 Tov 1.6 PF 4.5 Pts 13.3

I think it is fair to say that Andris belongs in this group. It would seem to me that the market is set and we can expect to see AB sign a long term deal at between $10-12 Mil/yr.

The only other options are a sign and trade or letting him walk. Given that it can be hard to get anything of value in a sign and trade I think the only move is to sign him.

It is reasonable to have some trepidation about handing out a big long-term contract (given the history of the W's front office) but AB is already producing like few centers in this league. I see no reason to pass on paying him fair market value for his services.

As much as I'd love to think that we could get a deal on him, I have to think that his price tag hasn't dropped all that much since I put this together.

by olympicmike on Apr 3, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Mike!

Good stuff. I think the main thing people don't realize is that a decent big man (not great like TD, but decent like Beans) is a rare commodity, and thus has a higher value than an equally good guard/forward.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

biedrens is not

worth any of those centers. Would you pick AB over chandler or kaman, or dalembert for that matter. dalembert would do the same things AB does in our offense, and play considerably better D. If AB asks for anything over 7 mil, sign and trade him.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please explain...

I'm not sure what makes you say that. AB leads that group in age, FG%, steals and turnovers. He is 2nd in rebounds, assists and points.

I don't see how he doesn't belong in that group.

by olympicmike on Apr 3, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only deficiency in AB is

Minutes.

For whatever reason, he's only played 75% of the minutes of the other 3. But you can't pay a guy a per-minute rate, can you?

If you'd rather have Dalambert than AB... I'm just glad you're not our GM.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Per-Minute stats

I'm sure that these type of per-minute stats do come into play during negotiation. I can imagine AB's agent saying "When you play the guy he is just as good as Chandler, Dalembert and Kaman!"

I know that it's not a complete measure of a player but it seems to be a somewhat fair comparison. Don't forget that age is a big factor as well. These guys are likely producing now (per-game) what AB will in the next couple of years. A more appropriate comparison may have been the numbers of these players the year before they signed their deals. Unfortunately that was a little more work than I was willing to do. =P

by olympicmike on Apr 3, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm in agreement that AB's worth it

My only concern is that he should get more minutes.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

You have to wonder if Nellie is keeping his minutes down to help suppress his value. Although, it is more likely he just hasn't felt comfortable letting a 21 year old center play 38 min a night.

by olympicmike on Apr 3, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Conspiracy theory...

I have to admit, I've had the same thoughts about most of the guys in a contract year, but Biedrins especially.
I don't know where all this negativity has come against Andris. People either have short term memory or have no patience. Andris is still a good center that is still developing. You don't sign him, we end up with no front court. Picture what Andris would be able to do if he was not the only interior defense we have.

by tangel29 on Apr 5, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

impact

i really don't care about stats AB doesn't provide the impact those other center do. I would like to be wrong about the guy, but he has been in the league 4 years, with no significant improvement in either offense or defense, wow, he's good at the pick and roll and shooting at point blank range. Look at ellis' improvement. this is a big offseason decision, warriors need to commit too much money for essentially a back-up center.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't need to commit too much money

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll come back to this agin

What's your alternative solution at center?

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

honestly

i don't have anyone in mind, but watching AB, i realize he is not the answer.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

obviously

we need Tim Duncan. Maybe we can get Biedrins for Duncan?

or maybe we should get Kevin Love? Trade Biedrins for Kevin Love that way we can rebuild again.

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade AB?

Trade him? I hope you're not serious. Nobody would accept that chump. We should just cut ties right now. Then we should trade Monta and our #1 for the top pick so we can draft KLove. Oh, and I'm gonna keep calling him KLove... it's fun to think of KFed when I mention KLove.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

take it easy

i was talking about AB only, so don't change my argument.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHAHHA

hahahahaha

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Apr 3, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

honestly

Go watch a warrior game. seriously.

The warriors are a guard oriented team. THey play on the perimeter. How many times does the offense run through AB like it does with Kaman? Tyson has Paul, an MVP candidate, and Dalembert is averaging 4 more minutes per game with about the same amount of production.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Apr 3, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

have

you all forgotten how useless Mbenga was in our defensive scheme?

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Or PoB

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Defense better without AB?

I personally think that our defense is much better when AB isn't in the game. Not saying he is a bad player at all, just that the Dubs' guards play a lot harder on the defensive end when they don't expect Beans to bail them out. It makes everyone else rebound better, as well. Still say we should keep him though. $10 mil/yr can buy a lot of Muscle Milk.

by BALLINelli on Apr 3, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

right...

you think... I THINK that our defense is better when AB is in the game. Not to mention that I THINK our offense is better with him in the game.

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

I agree with your assessment, it doesn't take away anything from AB.

It's odd isn't it that AB effect on defense isn't really his own fault? I see him trying out there and the point is that he learned that you can't swing at every ball coming his way and expect not to get fouled out.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that with AB manning the 5 spot, Monta and BD think that AB will always bail them out. Well, AB can't always bail them out and it really isn't fair to AB. I don't care who it is (besides Shaq cause he's huge) I doubt any other center could do well when your guards don't help.

by gunwing54 on Apr 3, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like gunwing says...

You can't blame AB for the defensive deficiencies of our guards. Imagined if everyone was doing what they were supposed to out there on the defensive end. Monta looks lost half the time, poor recognition of what's transpiring, etc, etc. It's really not AB's fault that he gets put into situations where he has to get pulled early and has to stay out.

Can he use some work and improvement? Of course he can, but the bottom line is that everyone else also needs to be responsible for good D.

by yuletak on Apr 6, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The dance contest.

You may think that, but the data don't support your thoughts. The Warriors give up fewer points per possession when Andris is in the game, hold opponents to a lower FG%, and rebound better. Those are marks of good defense. If you aren't doing those things, you're not actually looking at the team's defense. Those subjective measures that don't look at the end result (which is points for vs points against) might as well be a dance contest.

This is an irrefutable position: this year (and last) the Warriors have held opponents to fewer points and a lower effective FG% when Andris has been in the game than when he's been on the bench. This doesn't explain how they've done it, but it has happened. Opinions that claim this is somehow not as good as the defense they play when he's on the bench (where they've surrendered more points) aren't really worthwhile.

by jae on Apr 7, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the point is

this off-season the warriors have to make a decision, is he your starting center for the future and helps you win a championship, or is he a back-up, nice piece, but not the one to take you over the top, so if he asks for too much, where we can't improve our team, use his value to get someone else.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's bring

Rasho as a backup center and a teacher for the yungs,because he would be great as a teacher because his basics are just great(he singlehandedly boxes-out two players).

by buky on Apr 3, 2008 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

because..great,because...great

get it...:-)

by buky on Apr 3, 2008 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

nice!

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry... I'm thick skulled here...

I'm sure I'm missing some great comedy here... sigh. Can you help me out?

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well if you read his earlier post

he said:

BECAUSE he would be GREAT as a teacher BECAUSE his basics are just GREAT

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

never said that

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

geebus not

you we're talking about buky's post
here's his post

Let's bring

Rasho as a backup center and a teacher for the yungs,because he would be great as a teacher because his basics are just great(he singlehandedly boxes-out two players).

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ugh

how about sabonis?? divac?? what are they doing now?

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Apr 3, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

As my new policy is to not read what people write before me, because I want to write about my OWN ideas...

Ok, but seriously. I saw that... I just don't get the joke. It passed me by and I can never get it back. Carry on without me.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i know everyone likes

AB, lets see how everyone likes him when he signs a contract for 5/$55-60million, and can't get his own shot, gets knocked off the boards, gets baited for and 1's.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

ok

we'll see if that happens.

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't care...

if he gets paid 60 million as long as it's not by us. This kid plays so scared he isn't worth the locker space he is taking away from Monta Ellis. B. Wright may make more mistakes at the outset but he won't be scared and running out of the way everytime Steve Nash is driving to the hole. Get rid of him.

by silence da haters on Apr 3, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

cmon now

the question should be...

"who wants some halo halo with mango ice cream on top on a nice sunny day?"

going once....
twice....

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Apr 3, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd Rather

Go for Brand......... there is NO way in hell we will ever advance in the playoffs unless we get a big man who can move and defend.

by Golden State TBagger on Apr 3, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

ok

thats easier said then done. How are we going to go for Brand? Brand is going to stay with the clippers i bet. They have a pretty good team next year.

by saintdee on Apr 3, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

We can afford Brand.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 3, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you forgetting?

AB is only 22 years young and he's already got 2 solid years of NBA experience. I hate that he's not a shotblocker, other than that he is a solid 22 year old 7 footer. Isn't that a commodity in the NBA?

blacktop to the hardwood

by dankmob on Apr 3, 2008 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Courage is courage...

he may be young and inexperienced but that has nothing to do with playing scared. If anything you want your young guys to play fearless, like that other Kid we got, I think his name is Monta? as for AB you can see the fear in his eyes when Steve Nash drivessssss to the bucket and AB is running out of the way so Baron can block the shot. We don't need this kid he is not even worth 4 mil a year, get rid of him.

by silence da haters on Apr 3, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're right...

Monta was super fearless last year while he was crying on the bench.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 4, 2008 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AB and Joey Dorsey

I don't think AB is a good fit on the Warriors. The Warriors need a physical presence in the paint, something AB will never provide. Our lack of a defensive presence at the 4 and 5 allows teams to continually dominant us down low. I say we let AB walk. I think Joey Dorsey would be a great fit for us. He's a very physical player that can guard big men that constantly give the Warriors problems. He plays hard defense, is a beast on the boards, he's very athletic, and can run the floor well. He's a perfect fit in Nellys system.

by GSW07 on Apr 3, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

How about keep AB...

and get Dorsey if he falls in our hands in the draft?

I agree that Dorsey is a beast and could prolly run well with the Dubs in Nellie's system.

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Apr 3, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take AB at 10 million per

over Al at 8 million or whatever he earns.

I think you must factor the switiching and the lack of a real power forward when critical of AB. The guy is switching and out of postion and trying to fight for boards between 2-3 big on the other team.

When our team defense breaks down it is often AB that looks bad or draws fouls

by Zig on Apr 3, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

And I doubt Nelson will

do it since he seems to need 4 skilled shooters on the floor but AB and BW at the same time nexy year and suddenly the interior looks much better.

by Zig on Apr 3, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes to J Dorsey (Joey Dorsey Movement)

My 10 centers beeter than Beans

dwight howard.
Marcus camby
tyson chandler
rasheed wallace
yao ming
chris kama
al jefferson
memo okur
andrew bynum
Big Z
sam dalembert

Not even counting: Greg Oden, Al Horford, plus all the PF's who play Center: Duncan, Boozer, Dirk, Amare, Pau Gas

Beans would lose to all those guys in a fist fight, we need a bruiser

Put a little mustard on it

by The Barnes Supremacy on Apr 3, 2008 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

YESSS!!!

NBA UFC!!!

Who's with me and The Barnes Supremacy. The Warriors should adopt the following strategy for deciding who to keep and for free agents: Stick them in the Octagon and have them duke it out for a roster spot. Who wants a guy who couldn't win in a fight anyways...

If you want to watch people fight, watch people fight. Basketball is a very different sport.

Just looked at the list... Memo? Big Z? Dalambert? Really... you just lost some cred there.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 4, 2008 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK

Might have went overbaord with Memo, Dalembert and Big Z.

But what about Okafor and Bogut.

Did you know Biedrins is tied with Shane Battier in blocks per game. Did you read that correctly, Shane Battier.

Put a little mustard on it

by The Barnes Supremacy on Apr 4, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shane Battier

Is a fantastic defender.

Plus he plays ten minutes a game more than AB does. (Did you read that correctly, ten minutes.)

Plus, as has been pointed out, AB has made a concerted effort this year to cut down on the fouls, at the expense of aggresiveness. He'll find that balance eventually, but this year he seems to be erring on the side of caution.

AB is currently #8 among all NBA centers in PER --ahead of Dalembert, Z, Chandler, Camby, Kaman, et al. All of these guys are at least three years older than Andris.

Seriously, this topic is beyond old. Can people please find another dead horse to beat?

by Sleepy Freud on Apr 4, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dead Horse...

I guess I could start a KG diary, just to switch horses. =P

by olympicmike on Apr 5, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nothing wrong with Beans

The problem is a lack of a POWER forward. Our line up usually consists of 2 G's and 2 SF's and we have our lunch handed to us in the low block by anybody with some game. AB can have no offense because he is the only guy in the middle and will always be doubled if the ball is thrown to him unless it is becasue he is moving on the pick and roll.

Elton Brand is a power forward, he would help but only if you keep Beans. If you want to dream, think of adding someone like Amare Stoudamire - he can run, and rebound but even he can't play D. Phoenix got Shaq because even with his 5 body Amare wanted to play 4.

Beans is a great team player. If CP3 was his PG he would have a much higher average becasue he would be constantly dunking on a roll to the basket instead of being the only guy under the basket waiting for a rebound after watching Baron and Jack dribble, dribble, dribble......IF we move the ball, our offense is sooooooo much better than the isolation offense that Baron and Jack seem to fall in love with.

by elumia on Apr 3, 2008 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You hit the nail on the head!

A Power Forward is the gapping hole in this roster. A PF who could play defense inside and hang around for rebounds. (Assuming Nelson would ever play a guy like that. And he probably wouldn't.)

And it's not so much "isolation offense" that Baron and Jackson specialize in, it's called "ego offense."

by formerlythecity on Apr 3, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

plain and simple

is he the 5 that will help us advance in playoffs, did u see that list by barnessupremacy ( thanks btw )?

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

anyway

based on mullin's past experience with dunleavy and murphy, and the way he approached contract talks with AB earlier this year, i doubt the warriors commit to AB for anything major.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes he would help us advance

if we had some depth at 4/5, let's see what we have now...

AB - 5
Al - 4,5,3
BW - 4
POB - 5
Kosta - 5
Croshere - 4,5
Barnes (3 that has to defend 4 in our scheme)
MP (3 that has to defend a 4)
JACK (again a 3 sometimes playing 4)

Most everybody plays out of their natural position in Nellieball to create a "mismatch". Unfortunately it leaves AB over matched quite often on Defense. He is playing 2 bigs to box out and has to also be the help defender leaving behind no one to rebound.

AB isn't the problem.... Its the lack of bench or someone with some bulk to play next to him or sub for him. Even if the warriors added someone like Turiaf we would improve a bunch. Think of how more effective Beans would be if Odom was playing next to him.

by elumia on Apr 3, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The new guy has to be able to win fistfights too?

Haaaahaaahahah!!

Man, this is why you guys are going to miss the playoffs. You want more, more, more: slashers and 3-point shooters...and you don't realize that Nellie's "mismatches" create mismatches for y'all too?

Then you blame the guy who's stuck in the situation.

Dump him, haters. Then you just need to sign that 280lb. 7-footer who can run the court, slam-dunk for 30/game, defend both the 4 and 5 ALL THE TIME and, umm....let's see...you'd probably like him to be able to drive to the hoop and finish too. Oh, and shoot the 3. And get about 25 boards a game despite the team being undersized at every other position.

Have I got that about right?? Man, that's just sad.

ps) I could NOT believe the dubs had only EIGHT assists the other night against the Spurs. Way to improve on that. LOL.

pps) Sorry if that all sounds harsh, I liked the Dubs last year. I just think you're misattributing the deficiencies of Nellieball to the player.

ppps) GO JAZZ!!!

by trollificus on Apr 3, 2008 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd like that guy...

I'm imagining a cross between LeBron, Dwight Howard, and KG. Except he'd be like 17 years old... That'd be awesome, we need that guy.

Is it sad that a Jazz fan realizes more about the Warriors coaching strategy than many Warriors fans?

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 4, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, I didn't see elumia's post

He's got it right.

Not to say there aren't better centers than Biedrins, maybe even better centers for this unusual system...but he's sure not as bad as some of you say.

BTW, if you REEEALLY want an athletic, defense-oriented center, you'll have to outbid the Jazz for him. We need one BAD.

by trollificus on Apr 3, 2008 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

See...

That's the thing people on this board don't understand. EVERY TEAM IN THE NBA NEEDS AN ATHLETIC, DEFENSE ORIENTED CENTER, and they'd all pay big bucks if one were on the free agent market.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 4, 2008 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beans future

I don't know man. He has no presence in the lanes. Is range is the restricted area. I like him a lot, but I don't think he is worth more than 5 mil. Monta and Bukie are more important. I rather see us save up and go after Okafor. That would be some line up in a few years.
PG-Monta Ellis
SG- Keleana Azibukie
SF- ?
PF- Brandon Wright
C- Emeka Okafor
B- C.J. Watson
B- Leon Powe
B- Beans
I'd love to see Powe and Okafor in warrior jeresey's next season, but WE BELIEVE is still alive.

by montasmob69 on Apr 3, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Now that team is the

direction the Warriors SHOULD be headed.

We'll see when the free agent dust settles after the season, if they're headed anywhere near this direction.

by formerlythecity on Apr 3, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OMG

I stopped reading after you said Bukie is more important than AB.

Put your pipe away.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Apr 4, 2008 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

asdf

Maybe AB would seem to be better at D if the perimeter players wouldn't let their man walk right into the paint. It's not AB's fault that our team defense sucks. You can't blame the 108 points a game on him. Everyone saying we have BWright is just retarded, Wright is a 3/4, not a 5, so catch up on your Dub knowledge. He is worth the money and no matter what any of us think he IS going to get paid.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Apr 3, 2008 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

when

landry (rookie ) was schooling him was that the guards fault too, and when those guards drive past our guards they're not dropping dimes, they're getting and 1s. And honestly, i'll give you that our guards do allow penetration, partly due to the fact that they need to gamble because we have no interior defense, but do you think AB can guard anyone one on one. I'd like him on the team, but it should be a buyers market in the warriors case, because AB is not worth anywhere near 10 million a year.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

asdf

you do realize that your evidence of all your points is from your biased viewings of games right? The only evidence you have is to say that biedrins sucks. Who do you think replaces him?

by BD4mvp on Apr 3, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No I'm pretty sure

the guards always gamble on steals because nellie's system thrives on the fast break and we need those steals to win most games. I'm really suprised Beans gets the numbers he does when most of the time he is the only one in the paint going for a rebound. Since we lack so much frontcourt depth he is forced to try not to foul out. When the guards are playing matador defense (basically every game) if Beans tried to block every shot he would foul out before the end of the first quarter. Chandler for some reason is getting a lot more credit than Beans despite having his only offensive move being let CP3 create and then wait for an alleyoop. If the Ws looked for Beans more his numbers would be even better.

by Calamity on Apr 3, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

From last summer

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2007/10/3/142140/362

by Atma Brother ONE on Apr 3, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i couldn't

agree more. That was a great diary, and good scouting.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 3, 2008 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

RFA status hasn't changed

this may be a 'olotta handwringing over nuthin

by hardcore on Apr 6, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Couple names

Okafor
DeAndre Jordan (draft)
Brand(too expensive, but a name)
Other draft players like that guy from cal or hibert from georgetown
And our guards are not bad. Well Monta is, but he'll get better. Baron is a little above average and I would not be suprised to see Jackson make all defense first or second team. It is on Beans. He is not a presence and when he tries to be, he gets into foul troube. I like the guy a lot but if he wants 6 mil+, he has to go.

by montasmob69 on Apr 3, 2008 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh...

Please... just make it stop. This is making my head hurt so much I actually want the season to end as soon as possible so that Mully can start working on Beans' and Monta's contracts and people can stop discussing this.

Can you Beans haters do one thing for me? When Mully gives him his $9-10M contract this summer, please, please, pretty please take one diary, get it all out, and let that be that. If you hate the team or think they're going into oblivion because they signed Beans to such a ridiculous contract, just go be a fan of another team. Please don't rant and rant about how the Warriors and Beans suck. And don't come crying back saying "I'm sorry" when it turns out that the Warriors don't suck.

"Much Props to you Dubs in Boston That was dope. Loved the outro. that was hilarious. LOL. Peace." -ROMESdavidWOOD37

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 4, 2008 7:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

no one

is saying warriors suck. It's just that the warriors have to make a decision at the 5,and it's questionable if AB is the guy. Seriously, is there anything special that AB brings to the table? Warriors can sign him for $10 million a year, but will they be getting their money's worth? I hear the argument that we need a 4, well none of our 4s are up for a new contract this off-season, we must learn from previous bad contracts for players that can be replaced.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 4, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

c'mon....

Questionable that AB is the guy? AB is playing less minutes than last year and has the same average in points and rebounds and fouls less. He added 10% to his FT's. If he got 3 more passes a game on the pick and roll his average would probably go up 6 points a game - and Baron/Jack would have 3 more assists rather than 3 missed 3-pointers.

I think the bigger dissapointment has been Harrington. His averages are down from last year in minutes, rebounds, fg% and points - he has just been inconsistent. Only his FT% is better, yet he is getting to line less than last year. When AB is on the floor, you know what you are going to get.

If anything, look to trade AL for a decent PF to give AB some help. Why isn't anyone complaining about him? Is his ego to brittle to play the position Nellie wants him to play? AB goes in and does his job, whatever Nellie asks him to do. I suspect he could do more ofensively, but he listens to the coach and plays hard when he is in there. If POB had the same heart and work ethic as AB we might have seen him get some minutes instead of seeing a lottery pick in a suit on the bench.

AB has good Basketball IQ. if you watch him off the ball, he is always moving, making himself available on the offense, yet rarely gets a pass.

Getting rid of the only viable big man the Warriors have will only take them straight to the lottery.

Yes, I want to keep AB.

by elumia on Apr 4, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's a good

thing that he's a restricted FA, because i think the market will determine his worth, and he'll probably be treated like pietrus this past off-season, and get few offers. So we might keep him for one more year to prove he's worth a long contract.

by KeepdaCore on Apr 4, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs