Great post passion…

It seems like Mullin and the Warriors are waiting for him to opt-out or not. If he doesn’t opt out, then they will be in a much more advantageous position negotiating for an extension. And I think that the Dubs are probably willing to offer what you mentioned above, but BD’s agent is probably shooting initially for somewhere around 14 mil per year. Thats just the way the game is played in the off-season. I would think it would be a good investment to pay Baron even a little more than 10.5, because his presence and character are what this team is. Who else on our roster could make a commercial with Adam Sandler as Zohan? It’s things like the commercial that makes me think Boom is worth an extra mil a year….

is waiting for boom’s opt out deadline, the article you linked to said:
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Just hours earlier, Warriors executive vice president Chris Mullin had said that he didn’t plan to engage in contract talks until Davis’ opt-out deadline of June 30 had passed, putting the team in a more advantageous position.
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and also:
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But the negotiating stance is in line with the attitude the Warriors have adopted in recent years.
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not sure what the last sentence is refering to though (certainly not the giant extensions given to jrich, murph, leavy)

nice post, tho. i’m thinking the W’s will resign Dizzle, though i’d say he’s worth a little less than the average of your figures above, say, 5/48 b/c of age and health concerns.

in my opinion i dont think we should put that type of bank on baron then, that is my opinion. baron can make 17 mil next year and test the waters if he wanted to and by that time he’d be 30. i love baron as a dub too but time is passing him by and so is monta. also since he has been a warrior he’s only played one entire season.

i think, again in my opinion, that he is worth his last year on his contract and hopefully he can earn what he deserves. maybe if he made a few all star teams or helped us create a contender, i could see giving him what he wants but baron hasn’t. it happens all the time in professional sports, promising atheletes become over paid or wanting to get paid but in this instance, when is $17 mil for 82 NBA games isnt good enough?

seriously, take a look back when we had gilbert. could he have stayed for one more season and get that fat pay day he wanted???? yes. but he wanted the money upfront so just incase he got hurt!!! so gil left for the money. i dont blame hime… but now what, back to back injury prone seasons and now he’s gonna opt out again for more money? one more time, this is only my opinion. if i were tired and injured too, i wouldnt say anything about my aches and pains till i got paid. money changes everything!

i know, i get it. it is a business and something has got to give. i just hope mullin doesnt.

again, thats only my opinion.

Damn, That’s depressing! Is that all we’ve got to look forward to? A skinny power forward, A center who can’t shoot, a SG that can’t defend or shoot 3’s? If Baron goes who’s gonna defend Monta’s man? Who’s gonna wear the beard?? These youngsters can’t even grow one!!
The trashing of JRich stalled our uphill climb, the loss of Baron will put us on a freefall to the cellar. If you want talent you gotta pay for it. The only way I’d let Baron walk is if we can find an equal point guard and I don’t hear CP3 knocking on the door.

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now baron will stay after i saw the commercials and i beatyou.com i kept thinking he will stay hes to happy here. only place he will go is clippers or lakers. and i don’t know if he will go there. its weird he had all star stuff and playoff appearances with the hornets, but he has become so famous here. come on when do you see a warrior doing so much stuff on tv.

Baron understands that he has only a few years left to play at his best. If he gets traded, there is a small chance of going to a playoff team. The thing is, his salary would weigh down any team. Here are the advantages and disadvantages to signing Baron to a five year /10.5mil/year:

-Over the next two years we will see Foyle’s buyout come through. $6.3 mil goes to it this coming year. Freeing up roughly $7 mil from Davis’ contract would allow some much needed breathing space. However, after adding up Baron 10.5, with the other committed salaries, (TMNT, Jax, Wright, Belinelli), and throwing in Goose an estimated $10/yr and Ellis @ $7/yr, (both rough estimates based on other players with similar talents), the total salary is at about $52mil. This is not a great number to have without any bench. I wish Option Zero would come back and finish the numbers to make sure I have it right. I am still not clear about the trade exception, but I think it can be used on the day of the draft. Someone try to figure it all out: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68

Here's the salary page right now:
(Foyle's contract is off.  Amount owed next year is about 6.3mil.  The season after that will be about $700,000.  Then we are freeeeee!!!!!!)
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm

-So anyways, this is smart for Baron in that he is giving the Dubs a chance to bring in a little extra talent. The thing is, a lot of that $ is going to go towards resigning Biedrins and Ellis.

-Baron is 29 right now, signing him for 5 years is a risky commitment. Over five years to the age of 34, I think we will see him slow down. 3 years into the contract, we lose the positive outcome if he is constantly injured or slows down. My personal opinion is that BD is the type of person that will make the choice to do whatever he can to stay in the best shape, to play great for as long as he can. However, the Dubs are gathering young talent that will replace his scoring, and allow him to become more of the standard pass-first point guard, which I think as he ages will be a great role for him considering his ability.

As far as next season goes there are many options and possibilities to consider:

-Resigning? Is Buike worth $6 mil? I don’t think so, but some of you do. I would offer $14/3year. Did Barnes or Pietrus play well enough to get signed at the price they want? It’s rumored that Dallas is looking at both of them, and we know Pietrus would like to play for another team. I say let him. The fact that he decided to start playing after he was resigned shows his character. I don’t think Barnes is going to be signed by anyone the way he played this year. I know….all the stuff with his mother, but that doesn’t mean that other teams are just going to say, “oh poor guy, maybe he’ll play better this year.” I hope he gets resigned for the same $3mil and comes back ready to drop treys like raindrops. Perovic? I have no idea. POB is definitely gone, and we need a backup center besides Wright. $1.8 isn’t terrible if Nelly and Mully think he has potential. Does Croshere have one year left in him? If he can help out like last year I say definitely. For 1.2mil, he played great.

-Many people are talking about getting rid of Al. They say he’s inconsistent. They say he lacks defense. They say. I think that people forget what a real overpaid PF is: Troy Murphy. Considering they are paid about the same, Al has better defense, plays better inside and can shoot. Although its embarrassing to say that while writing this, I learned that Murphy had superior rebounding, 3pt%, shot% and assists this season. Damn. He was still soft and they are both overpaid. So anyways, if they trade Al, I have no idea what the package would consist of, and I really don’t want to suggest a trade that you guys would tear apart. Also, we must remember that his contract goes into the 2009-2010 season as well. It might be beneficial to trade, but I think that we would have to package him with a young player with potential and a cheap contract, like Belinelli or our next draft pick.

-What will we see on draft day is the big question. Considering we don’t win the lottery, we draft at 14. There have been many mock drafts, but no one knows how it goes until the day comes. Can we draft, then sign and trade using the exception? Here’s what nbadraft.net picked for the Dubs:
http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/javalemcgee.html
Another 7 footer that might have potential? There’s no telling what Mully will do. Do they sign for a position they need, or sign the best available player with the highest trade value?
Other mock drafts say Dubs draft Chase Budinger or Donte Green.
Personally I would rather have Chris-Douglas Roberts over Budinger. Donte Green might show the most promise at 6’10” with a good outside shot. Here’s everything so far:

Baron/Ellis/Belinelli (he has handles and vision, we just haven’t seen it since summer.)
Ellis/Belinelli/Buike/Jackson
Jackson/Barnes/Buike
TMNT/Wright/Barnes/Green/Croshere
Beidrins/Perovic/Wright/Croshere/Green

This is a pretty sold looking lineup; a lot of big men and a lot of players that can play different positions. That would be a full active roster. But also that’s 4 young developing big men. Is that a good thing? Its been a long time sine the Warriors had that much talent and potential in the frontcourt. And they still have the guards to match. They could even trade Al and Perovic to a team in need of big guys for a SG or SF to help take pressure off of Jackson. Or else just draft one.
This lineup is over the cap, however there are rules like the MLE and the Rookie Exception, (Green), that might allow for this lineup. Then as the season goes on they could sign free agents as needed.

So anyways, that concludes my post/preseason rant. Hope you all enjoyed and we’ll see what happens.

He’s not going to want to drop down to an AVERAGE of 11M/year, that’s less than 10M in the first year, a 50% paycut. I expect he’s looking in the 12-14M starting rage with 4-5 years that probably ends at 16-17M/year. If I was Mullin, I’d be happy with starting at 10M with 1M added each year for 4 years. But when you factor in his contract this year (17M), it gets more difficult to make the numbers work out.

They still have almost two months to work it out. There’s going to be a lot of posturing in the media before then, mostly by Baron’s agent. Don’t let it get to you.

I have no idea why the formatting was off. Here’s a redo of the first few paragraphs:

Baron understands that he has only a few years left to play at his best. If he gets traded, there is a small chance of going to a playoff team. The thing is, his salary would weigh down any team. Here are the advantages and disadvantages to signing Baron to a five year /10.5mil/year:

-Over the next two years we will see Foyle’s buyout come through. $6.3 mil goes to it this coming year. Freeing up roughly $7 mil from Davis’ contract would allow some much needed breathing space. However, after adding up Baron at 10.5, with the other committed salaries, (TMNT, Jax, Wright, Belinelli), and throwing in Goose at an estimated $10/yr and Ellis at $7/yr, (both rough estimates based on other players with similar talents), the total salary is at about $52mil. This is not a great number to have without any bench. I wish Option Zero would come back and finish the numbers to make sure I have it right. I am still not clear about the trade exception, but I think it can be used on the day of the draft. Someone try to figure it all out:
Here’s the salary page right now: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68
Foyle’s contract is off. Amount owed next year is about 6.3mil. The season after that will be about $700,000. Then we are freeeeee!!!!!!!!!

Also in response to Dubs fan in Boston:
He would take a pay cut if it meant security from injuries and a shot at the championship over a 5 year period. He knows that after 32, he’s not likely to be signed for over 10mil if the knees are gone.

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dis baron but dont
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dis by lowball
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“Baron then signs for whatever he can get wherever he can get it. He spends more and more time with his production company as he nears retirement and the year in L.A. is his springboard to a run for LA City Council.”
Actually that sounds pretty good for the boss. I hope it works out that way for him, he’s certainly not getting the love he deserves here.

Yeah, If he was willing to spend the money he coulda gone after Gasol. or Garnett or someone!
We need him to sell the team to Barkley, that dude don’t care about wasting money and we’d finally get some non-midgets.

I seem to remember hearing something like Mullin would be willing to go 3 years $36 or $12 M per. That's kinda low, but if it's an extension (add the $17.5 M remaining), then that brings the total deal to 4 years $53.5 M. It’s kinda long, but Baron’s not getting his max either.