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Crazy may describe the Grizzlies' chances of landing Monta Ellis when free agency begins during the off-season. Although the Griz are expected to have $12 million in salary-cap room, the Warriors own Ellis' "Bird Rights," meaning they can re-sign the 22-year-old native of Jackson, Miss., without regard to the cap. The Grizzlies' outside hope of satisfying their stated goal of adding deft shooting (with Ellis likely being a target) would be to front-load an above-market value offer. Grizzly brass didn't want to comment on Ellis because of his free-agent status. It's no secret, though, that Ellis is due a big payday.I have also heard that the Grizzly's are willing to pay Monta 15 million. There is some good news. The maximum a team can offer a restricted agent is 15 mil, and the warriors could elect to pay him 15.1 mil and the Grizzly's cannot do anything about it. Now I doubt Monta will leave Golden State, but a few things could happen. We could end up paying him 16 mil, causing us to lose some potential free agents, or even worse, players like Buike, who will provide good depth to this team. Let's get monta signed long and fast and for hopefully around 12 mil per year.
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dude
this news is back from march…http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/43294
why bring it up now? this was when monta seemed unstoppable with his 60% shooting.
by saintdee on
May 25, 2008 11:57 PM PDT
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patience
is the single biggest virtue Mullin has shown in the past two years that he’s been under Don’s wing – he didn’t overpay last fall to extend these two (Ellis & AB) precisely because he knew we could match and few teams would be able throw big $ around this summer.
RFA did not move much at all last summer because teams waited to see the offers while working on beefing up their roster, knowing they could match without worrying about the cap.
Yes, Griz can throw big coin – but they have more needs than just a Monta Ellis to swoop in and save the day. Even they have to be careful not to overpay for a high-scoring guard who is undersized at SG and hasn’t shown the PG skills necessary to play there fulltime.
we wait, just like last summer with MP, Barnes, in order not to repeat Mullin’s mistakes of the past of paying way over market for Foyle, Dunleavy, Murphy, etc.
worst case would be to re-sign them too early for too much, eat up our cap space preventing us from pursuing other options – we can re-sign them without regard to the cap so we should add to the roster before signing them, then re-sign AB & Ellis. We also need to re-sign/re-fill about half the roster so we can’t sign either AB or Ellis “at all costs”
norcalsoldier is right, we could also do a sign & trade, though I’d hope we wouldn’t have to as that almost never works out well for the team trading away their FA in the process
this will get done, but probably not for another month & half
don’t panic
by hardcore on
May 26, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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worst-worst case
I suppose that Ellis and AB could play out their contract this year and become true FA at the end of the season, but that would be too big a risk for them and the franchise both – you do that with POB, not these two. Something will be worked out by training camp.
by hardcore on
May 26, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
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the Grizzly's are willing to pay Monta 15 million
I’d worry more if the Lakers or Sacto were willing to pay him the big bucks! The Grizzlee’s are not know as top notch talent evaluators and if Monta did get 15 mil from the Grills it wouldn’t bother us much cause that’s a whole nother division.
by Skeptic con Urquell on
May 26, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
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rudy gay
turned out pretty well. I gotta think theyre more than happy having swapped battier for him
by sam23 on
May 26, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
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Jerry West
is the one who made the trade and picked Rudy Gay but West is gone now.
by B.J. Armstrong on
May 26, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
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so what poor talent evaluating have they done?
its too soon to judge Mike Conley.
by sam23 on
May 26, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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The kind that gets them
a 22 win 60 loss season.
by Skeptic con Urquell on
May 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT
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thats a little too
black and white. If West was such a great talent evaluator, why didnt he leave that team in a little better shape?
by sam23 on
May 26, 2008 5:12 PM PDT
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what?? ok fine...
If Memphis wasn’t poor evaluators why aren’t they in better shape??
by B.J. Armstrong on
May 26, 2008 11:59 PM PDT
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because they arent a big market team
they havent seriously blown any high draft picks, or handed out any ridiculous contracts except brian cardinal. I’d say they are around league average in terms of talent evaluation.
by sam23 on
May 27, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
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cause
J.West made all those picks. You said West isn’t a great evaluator. Thats the guy who traded for Kobe on draft nite. The nba’s best player after jordan retired. West made the trade for Gay. It is too early to tell about the evaluators now though.
by B.J. Armstrong on
May 27, 2008 11:47 PM PDT
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West
got a little too much credit for building that mini dynasty in LA in my opinion. He did a good job, but I dont think even he couldve guessed Kobe would become what he is today when he swapped Vlade for him. Shaq was coming to LA regardless of who the GM was and getting shaq in his prime could make a lot of GM’s look pretty smart. The rest of his moves were fairly pedestrian. He deserves some credit but I dont think he’s some GM genius. Like I said before I think Memphis’ moves with West AND after have been fairly average. I think the Memphis experience revealed that West is not some Midas-GM, but they certainly havent been Isiah-esque during his tenure or since then either.
by sam23 on
May 28, 2008 11:35 AM PDT
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ok
I guess everyone’s entitled to their opinions, but it’s been long reguarded in the basketball community that West is an excellent judge of talent. He’s won NBA Executive Of The Year twice. GM genius may be too high of a designation for anyone to live up to, but he has had success in his decisions in the past. Ironically, judging Jerry West as an evaluator of talent would make us evaluators of an evaluator. So where’s our credentials?
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by ssmokinjoe on
May 28, 2008 7:34 PM PDT
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true
i just think he got lucky with Kobe and Shaq. seems like a lot of executives coulda won exec of the year with those two. but youre right, it is just my opinion, and I know he’s regarded around the league as a great evaluator.
by sam23 on
May 28, 2008 10:50 PM PDT
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Doc Rivers almost won Coach of the Year...
And Kupchak (or however his name is spelled) won Executive of the Year this year for making the easiest trade ever. Well… that’s not entirely fair, he did manage to keep Kobe and not trade Bynum. Oh, and Steve Nash won MVP twice in a row.
Going by awards from the NBA is not exactly the greatest metric. The only real metric is championship.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 29, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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To some degree, championships is an imperfect measure as well. Luck has a tremendous influence on things. With, on average, a single first rounder a year and dreadfully few 2nd rounders ever amounting to anything, with trades being relatively rare in the Association and with the relatively small size of an NBA team compared to some other major sports, getting lucky a few times (without doing anything critically stupid) can make someone look like a genius.
by jae on
May 29, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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yea
see the robert horry hall of famer discussion. Horry isnt even close in my opinion. and as much as I hate the Lakers I think Kupchak actually deserves quite a bit of credit for his work this year. Keeping cry baby Kobe happy enough to play hard wasnt all that easy.
by sam23 on
May 29, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
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I ko=now its was back in march
But they still want Monta badly. He will most likely be a Warrior next your, but we may lose some other players in the process, especially if we have to pay AB a somewhat simliar contract. And skeptic con urqueil, you caannot pay a RFA more then 15 mil.
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by montasmob69 on
May 26, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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sober up
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by flipgatey3 on
Jun 1, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
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Good "news" guys!
We traded Speedy Claxton and an expiring contract for Baron Davis!!! =P
Seriously though, my brain might be a little slow today but if the Grizz are going to be 12 mil under the Cap, how exactly are they going to offer Monta $15 mil? And even if they did somehow scrape together 15 mil in cap space, why exactly to we elect to pay more than just matching the offer sheet. I really can’t think of any situation where we end up paying Monta 16 mil next season. In fact despite the great season, I can’t see his salary starting at 12 mil next season either (unless it is in fact front-loaded).
I hope that Mullin’s “we are going to match any offers” posturing will make teams think twice before locking up a big chunk of their cap space in an offer sheet on one of our RFA’s while other free agents are being signed elsewhere.
If I’m Memphis and I do indeed intend on spending big money (I’m not entirely convinced, after their ownership and front office said they intend to build through the draft) I would target someone I was sure I had a shot at. Now if their intention is to appease their fans by making a run at a big name and “just missing” so they can save money for anther year, they might drive up the price on Monta or Beans.
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by olympicmike on
May 26, 2008 3:35 PM PDT
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no worries here
monta’s not going anywhere
by AJC3317 on
May 26, 2008 5:30 PM PDT
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I can't tell since it's over the internet
But are you joking or not.
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on
May 28, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
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$15mil?
I’m not sure where the $15million figure came from. Last year, the max salary for a player with 3 years NBA service was a bit over $13million. It’s set at 25% of the salary cap. We don’t know what the cap will be next year, but it will likely be somewhere in the neighborhood of $13 to $15. A jump to $60 mil is possible. Over the last decade, it’s jumped that much in the past (maxing out at a seven mil jump between 00-01 and 01-02) but the average increase is less than $3mil and it has gone down once.
What this means is that figures are not set in stone at this point. Until they’re known, we don’t know either the max he can be offered by anyone or the amount under the cap the Griz will wind up. We do know that they have about $44million committed and will also very, very likely have an additional 3.5mil going to their draftee based on the rookie salary scale if they stay put in the draft. And the draft and commitment to the player salary comes before free agency so it has to be included. This year that would put them at about $8mil under the current cap. The cap doesn’t usually make $7mil jumps to allow for a $15mil offer, but…
by jae on
May 27, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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