To draft or not to draft, that is the question.
So with the Dubs being out of the playoffs and no games to look forward to until November, what better way to pass the time then discussing who the Warriors should take in this years draft. No I don't mean Kevin Love or Psycho T, even though he's staying at UNC, which is good because I could honestly see us drafting him. That'd be just like the Warriors to potentially be on the cusp of something great and they go and waste a pick on an end of the bench type player.
Also, just because the ESPN draft machine spits out a name it doesn't mean we should take take him and just because you go look at a mock draft it doesn't mean we should take that person either. There are a few 1st rounders who I think could step in and help the Dubs right away and possibly a few 2nd rounders who would fit well with the Dubs, these are in no particular order...
1st rounders
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Douglas-Roberts-506/
Chris Douglas-Roberts - SG/SF - He has the ability to play the 2 or 3, he's 6'7 but plays bigger because of his wing span. Also if you read his scouting report on DraftExpress, he's top 5 in scoring among SG prospects, 3 point%, FT attempts, PER, true shooting % and he also values possessions and don't turn the ball over much. If that's not enough for you, he might have been the best perimeter defender on one of the best defensive teams in the country.
Although was ranked high among SG prospects in 3 point and true shooting %, he didn't have many shot attempts but that can be worked on with with Moncrief in practices, we'd be drafting him for his defensive abilities and his knack for getting to the rim.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chase-Budinger-502/
Chase Budinger - SG/SF - Simply put, if we're going to jack up 3's all game we might as well draft somebody who can knock them down and no Belinelli isn't a good shooter, one summer league doesn't count. You don't believe me? Go look at his stats from years past, he's average at best. We'd be drafting him for one reason and one reason only and that's to shoot the 3.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marreese-Speights-1183/
Marreese Speights - PF/C - To be honest I have a bit of a man crush on this guy. I think we're not too bad off on big men but I really don't know why this guy isn't projected as being a lottery pick. You want a back to the basket, low post scoring threat who is a beast on the boards, well here you go. He's also athletic and quick and I think he could really thrive in our system. Here are his PER 40 minute averages from this year at Florida, 25.5 points, 14.2 rebounds, 2.7 blocks, 64% shooting. There are a few downsides, he's not strong defensively but he still rebounds well. There have also been effort problems with him but I think on a team with leaders like BD, Jax and Nellie that it wouldn't be a problem. He'd be able to give AB, Al or Wright a break and since Wright is a tweener at the 3/4 we could also have him spell Captain Jack. So we'd be getting another big body that would allow us to also use Wright differently in certain situations.
2nd rounders
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shan-Foster-434/
Shan Foster - SG - Once again, we'd be drafting this guy for one thing and one thing only and that's to shoot 3's. He shot a ridiculous % at Vandy last year. He shot 47% from behind the arc at a clip to of almost 4 a game, 3.9 makes out of 8.4 attempts to be exact. Like I said about Budinger if we're going to jack up 3's like we did this year we might as well try to draft somebody who can make them. I'm not sure he'll last to our pick in the 2nd round but if I were the Warriors I'd try hard to get this guy. He could be someone who steps in right away and contributes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bill-Walker-552/
Bill Walker - SF - Walker is a freak athletically, he's a slasher, he's explosive and he's got the ability to absorb contact and finish at the rim, much like we see Monta do. He doesn't have a very perimeter oriented game but that's ok because we need somebody who can slash and finish other than Monta. He's also an excellent defender, which is again the main reason why I'd like to take him, we need more ball hawking type defenders who are relentless.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joey-Dorsey-456/
Joey Dorsey - PF - Once again, I think we have enough big bodies on our team but Dorsey brings the one thing that all of them lack, a presence on the glass. He's a potentially low risk high reward pick. When I think about what he could do for us to help clear the glass and start our break it makes perfect sense to get him in the 2nd round if he's still around. Think of a freakishly athletic, relentless defender of the paint in a Warriors uniform. Most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds but he wouldn't be asked to score, he'd only need to really concentrate on the defensive end and offensive boards, think of a freak of nature Paul Millsap type.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jamont-Gordon-290/
Jamont Gordon - PG/SG/SF - Although he was versatile enough to play 1-3 in college he'd only be a PG/SG in our system. The reason I love this guy so much is because he is a huge PG, 6'3/225 lbs. Does that sort of size remind you of someone? It should, his size is comparable to BD. Having a big strong back up PG would allow Monta to cross match much like this year where he is guarding the PG and BD is guarding the SG. The main reason to draft him is because of his defensive ability, and to cross guard the SG position and his ability to create for others, he's one of the best shot creating guards in the NCAA. He also averaged 6.3 boards a game, which we can use all the help we can get. He has poor shot selection though and likes to jack 3's at a clip of 30%, if we can get him to pull a Monta and stop shooting 3's he'd be a great pick up for us in round 2.
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or trade your pick plus ??? for
Nuggets Will Listen To Trade Offers For Carmelo
by streetballer on
May 9, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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I'd rather go after Camby...
He’s due only 9M next year. That fits under the JRich TPE. Our first and the TPE for Camby, anyone? That’d be good enough to make a run at it:
BD/Monta/CJ
Monta/Buke/Beli
Jax/Al/Buke
Al/Beans/BW
Camby/Beans/Kosta
Great flexibility… we’d just have to pick up a larger PG to give BD some rest.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 9, 2008 1:42 PM PDT
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i love that idea
camby would be a perfect fit, but I think Denver deals one of AI or Carmelo instead and tries to build a more hard nosed team with one go-to scorer rather than a bunch of guys who just want to score every time down the floor. As for Carmelo? DO NOT WANT
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
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Yeah, I know...
A man can dream though, can’t he?
I don’t HATE Carmelo. If he can be had cheap (see my comment just below) it’d be too good to pass up a man with his skills on the offensive end.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 12, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
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yea
if he came cheap, but I would think someone like MJ and the Bobcats or the desperate Knicks/Bulls would offer up something better than that package. I just dont want to pay market value for Carmelo, he’s a great talent but also IMO one of the most overrated guys in the league today.
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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As for Melo...
If we can get him for Al & a S&T of Pietrus or something… I’m not the biggest fan.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 9, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
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I am on the Greene movement.
I’m intrigued by his versatility and high upside. He has lottery talent. Needs to go inside more and shoot less three’s.
At our position, i don’t see any other available NBA ready talent, so might as well go with the highest upside (I’m not sold on McGee). I’d steer clear of Budinger if it’s possible. Greene’s the way to go.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on May 6, 2008 4:24 PM PDT 0 recs
well ppl hopefully we have a high draft pick
so we get Micheal Beasley
by warriorfan4life on May 6, 2008 4:54 PM PDT 0 recs
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DeAndre Jordan or Randolph please. 2nd round I would go with my boy Ibaka
by ejdacanay on May 6, 2008 5:04 PM PDT 0 recs
CDR
Best case scenario we get the number 1 or 2 and get michael beasley but thats a 1 out of 200 hundred chance, i think CDR would be great, that means we dont sign pietrus or barnes which is fine, sign buike, baron, monta and beans hopefully beans wont get greedy and i dont think he will, find a way through trade or free agency to get a power forward, not necessarily a great one like elton brand but something, and draft CDR we could use another guy who goes to the cup hard and his defense is lock down, that means we roll like this
Baron/monta/
Monta/buike/CDR/belinelli
Stevie/Buike/CDR/ Belinelli
?/ al/ bwright
Beans/ al/ bwright
That question mark is the mystery man the warriors decide to get this offseason
by FeartheBeard4 on May 6, 2008 5:49 PM PDT 0 recs
Frankly.
I think the Warriors take the BPA. With the 14th overall pick you have to. The best players are already off the board, and probably won’t fit your need anyway. Teams will usually find more success drafting the best player left on the board regardless of need. CDR would most definitely not be the BPA at 14. Maybe if we say, trade down to the 16, 17, 18 area, then he’d be a better pick once Greene, Budinger, McGee, Arthur, Speights, find themselves on other teams.
I doubt we do any major roster shake up. Baron’s here for another year. We resign Monta and AB. Resign Kelenna, and cut ties with Barnes, MP, and Cro.
The only trade i could see happening is Al being sent out.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 6, 2008 7:25 PM PDT
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frankly
I think the Warriors take the BPA. With the 14th overall pick you have to. The best players are already off the board, and probably won’t fit your need anyway. Teams will usually find more success drafting the best player left on the board regardless of need. CDR would most definitely not be the BPA at 14. Maybe if we say, trade down to the 16, 17, 18 area, then he’d be a better pick once Greene, Budinger, McGee, Arthur, Speights, find themselves on other teams.
I doubt we do any major roster shake up. Baron’s here for another year. We resign Monta and AB. Resign Kelenna, and cut ties with Barnes, MP, and Cro.
The only trade i could see happening is Al being sent out.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 6, 2008 7:25 PM PDT
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PPl
can just stop dreaming of getting a top 1 or 2 pick. The best we can probably get is 10. Become realistic and set your eyes off of Beasely and Rose. The only way we get them is to trade for the higher pick.
It's Been A Great Year! Thanks Warriors!
by ballin on May 6, 2008 7:18 PM PDT 0 recs
Maybe you are confused.
The only options for the Warriors to get is #’s 1, 2, 3 or 14. The only time the ping pong balls matter is for the first three spots where each team in the lottery has a chance. As it stands now, the Warriors have a 0.6% chance of winning the first overall pick and a about a 1.81% chance of making the top 3. Picks 4-14 are based off of record and tie-breakers.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 6, 2008 7:20 PM PDT
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The odds
Odds of the Warriors getting the top pick: 0.5%
Odds of the Warriors getting one of the top two picks: 1.1%
Odds of the Warriors getting one of the top three picks: 1.6%
Odds of the Warriors getting pick #10, 11, 12, or 13: 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000%
Remind me again who’d being realistic? Try learning the basics of the NBA draft lottery before lecturing people.
(Fake edit: my numbers are slightly off kenntoe’s. Kenntoe, are you going by the wikipedia, or another source?)
Sign ^^^^ !!!
by Sleepy Freud on
May 6, 2008 8:44 PM PDT
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Sorry Guys
.5% is such a great shot! Boy, I think I can get Beasely or Rose now! With a .5% shot at getting the 1st pick I’m thinking so realistically that we are gonna knock out other teams with an estimated 25% shot.
Freud, to be honest its not realistic. If you really think a .5% shot is great, i got nothing to say. I’m still thinking realistically and no one in this world is thinking the Warriors are going to get the 1st pick, besides the fans.
And I’m really sorry guys for being uninformed, and thanks kenntoe for clearing it out without and attitude, but Freud you just really bug me. I feel a little attitude directed at me when you say “Try learning the __ before lecturing people.” I wasn’t directing my point to anybody. It was just a general comment and a true one. Your’s on the other hand is verbally belittling me, so cut it Freud.
It's Been A Great Year! Thanks Warriors!
by ballin on
May 6, 2008 8:56 PM PDT
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Dude.
Find where in my post I said .5% was a “great shot.” half a percent is what it is. 1.6% is what is its. All I did was post the numbers. To put 1.6% in perspective, it’s about the same as flipping a coin six times and having it end up heads each time. Unlikely, to be sure, but not as unlikely as being struck by lightning, or winning the state lottery.
As for the “belittling:” I’m sorry if it came off that way. If all you had done was betray your ignorance of the lottery rules:
The best we can probably get is 10.
I would have simply corrected you. I never flame anyone on this board for an honest mistake. But you chose to take what sounded to me like a lecturing tone:
stop dreaming [...] Become realistic and set your eyes off of Beasely and Rose
If I misread your tone as harsher than you intended it, again, I’m sorry. In the future, if you want people to take a friendlier tone with you, you might try phrasing your lack of knowledge in the form of an honest question, rather than taking such a hard line on subjects you know so little about.
Sign ^^^^ !!!
by Sleepy Freud on
May 6, 2008 9:40 PM PDT
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Any room for optimism?
Last year we became the first 8 seed to knock off a 1 seed in a seven game series.
This year we became the fastest team ever to a winning record after starting 0-6 (i believe, but my memory is terrible).
This summer, against all odds, the Golden State Warriors become the first ever 14th seed to jump up 13 spots and “win” the first overall selection in the NBA amateur player draft.
The next day Pat Riley quits the NBA all-together and retires indefinitely to an un-disclosed location.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 6, 2008 9:54 PM PDT
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My poor memory.
I was in a rush to prove wrong and mixed my numbers up. Your’s are correct.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 6, 2008 9:42 PM PDT
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"I was in a rush to prove wrong"
As usual. Haha. Wink, wink. ;)
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on
May 7, 2008 1:19 AM PDT
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Speights is a pretty intriguing player. He was productive in college and has considerable upside. I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on him.
It never occurred to me that one man could play with the faith of 50 million.
by imovermyhead on May 6, 2008 7:50 PM PDT 0 recs
i like
bill walker in the 2nd round. i think he’s very underrated having been in the massive shadow of beasley. if they go big man in the 1st round i’d love to see walker in the 2nd as a replacement for barnes/pietrus.
by sam23 on May 6, 2008 8:37 PM PDT 0 recs
I like the way you're thinking.
I’d like Walker in the second round as well. He has the potential to be a great defender with his length, NBA body and athleticism.
I’m secretly hoping we buy a draft pick in the 20’s and take Rush to take MP’s role as defensive specialist.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 6, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
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yep
i love rush and think he’d be a perfect fit with his unselfishness, athleticism, big body, shooting range and especially his d, but he’s a bit of a reach at 14 and no way he falls to us in the second round so I love your idea. Doubtful Phoenix will continue their tradition of selling off their pick, so who do you think might be willing to trade theirs away for next to nothing?
by sam23 on
May 7, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
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I'm hoping Utah does.
Ronnie Brewer, Deron Williams, Paul Milsapp, Morris Almond already create a strong young core.
Deron and Milsapp are due for extensions soon. Hopefully they trade their pick for cash to go towards extensions or a future pick.
Plus: Utah has our number, maybe they feel if they give us a pick, it won’t make much difference in the outcome of the game.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 7, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
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We're talking about shooters?
Then what’s wrong with grabbing Chris Lofton in the 2nd Round? Good D, good 3’s, decent handles…but we’d really only have him to shoot the three.
I think we should use the first rounder on a guy who can contribute right away but can do more than one thing as well. Not Budinger, but I’d be very down with CDR. 2nd Rounder, I’d just want a specialty guy who makes threes, like a Kapono, a Korver, or even a Steve Novak. We can pick up a bruiser in free agency if we are able to.
You say that Speights problem is focus, but with BD, Jax, and Nellie he would focus up. What about POB? Isn’t that his main problem, no focus?
But then again, a good amount of the time when scouts knock someone’s focus or heart or whatever it just isn’t true. Intangibles are hard to measure, that’s why they’re called intangibles.
by belilaugh on May 6, 2008 9:04 PM PDT 0 recs
I'd rather take a guy
With heart, desire and a willing attitude. You can teach post moves, on ball defense, shooting mechanics, etc. etc. You can’t teach a guy to play his heart out each night.
If you want to take a guy who can make 3’s and contribute right away, why not trade down and take Brandon Rush? He’s a legitimate catch and shoot three point threat, and can play tough defense. He might be able to step right in and be the best perimeter/wing defender the warriors have.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 6, 2008 9:47 PM PDT
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I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me
But you can’t tell me (and you haven’t. it’s just a figure of speech) that Chris Lofton played with no heart. He played while he was recovering from cancer, and he made no excuses. That’s a quality personality. And he supposedly is the first Volunteer at practice and the last to leave.
by belilaugh on
May 7, 2008 6:19 PM PDT
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Oh no i wasn't talking about Lofton.
I was thinking more along the lines of the lack of focus (and passion) from POB in which you see in Speights.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 7, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
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yea
the POB comparisons scare me off of Speights and Jordan. If we had never drafted POB I’d love both of them.
by sam23 on
May 7, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
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please no 3 point specialists
Settling for 3 pointers is so contagious on this team. It only takes just one guy to start jacking em up and before you know it the whole team gets lazy and starts launching.
by jlagace on May 7, 2008 6:37 AM PDT 0 recs
But do we actually have
any 3 point shooters? We have people who take a lot of threes, but none of them shoot above 40%, and for them 35-37% is like a career year. I’m talking about a 40+% guy who has an equal chance of making every three he takes, and won’t only make threes if he just made one.
by belilaugh on
May 7, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
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Haha...
He has poor shot selection though and likes to jack 3’s at a clip of 30%
You should have included this above as it DIRECTLY COMPARES to BD. Anyways, I like your assessments. I’d side with the BPA argument, but I’d side with that argument every time. Mulson will like the tweeners which he can use to play mismatches (though everybody and their mother is a tweener now).
by Dubs fan in Boston on May 7, 2008 7:31 AM PDT 0 recs
I like Speights, Dorsey and Walker!!
Excellent call on all these guys. Each could fit in our system. Bill Walker is intriguing.
by goldenstatefan on May 7, 2008 8:27 AM PDT 0 recs
Bill Walker>Joey Dorsey
There, I said it. :-P
Speights sounds interesting from a statistical standpoint, and I’m sure he learned a bit about how to be a good player from Noah and Horford.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 7, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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THANK YOU!
its about time somebody said that. In the matter of about 2 months Joey Dorsey went from very underrated to extremely overrated (at least on GSOM) I guess thats something else he has in common with Ben Wallace. Bill Walker would be a great 2nd round pick and a nice rotation player.
by sam23 on
May 7, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
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There is only one man...
His name is….Joey Dorsey. I see this guy and he oozes rebounding. He is the epitome of what the Dubs are lacking and that is a man who can board, bang down low and alter the inside game on defense.
For all these years, especially the past two season, us Dubs fans have been Jonesing for a legit bruiser down low who can bring an inside presence to round out our game of small ball. Inside presence doesn’t have to mean scoring 24 and getting 10 boards. We were the highest scoring team in the league people-we don’t need another stick figure shooting 3’s and playing absolutely no D. We need a man beast! We need a guy with attitude! We need a guy who only wants to bang down low, grab boards, block shots and dog you down the court while BD throws a lob to Andris for a dunk.
No more shooters. No more slashers. No more “potential”. No more projects. Go out on a limb and draft Joey Dorsey. The movement has begun!
And before anyone says that he’s old, he’s fricken 24 or 25. If Dorsey is old, then what’s Baron Davis? A geezer?
Joey (clap clap) Dorsey (clap, clap, clap clap)
by gabezgsw on May 7, 2008 9:43 AM PDT 0 recs
Baron Davis is a proven commodity
Joey Dorsey is not even a rookie yet, has never been through an NBA season to get acclimated to the environment. By the time you figure out what you’ve got with Dorsey, he’ll be 27-28 and at the tail end of his prime.
Additionally, if he has no jumpshot and relies on putbacks and lobs, his defender can just sag off him and clog the lane. Joey would be a good pickup in the second round. He is not first round, nor is he lottery material.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 7, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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Joey Dorsey
would be a huge reach at #14. It would also be a miracle for him to drop to the 40’s to us.
by ejdacanay on May 7, 2008 9:59 AM PDT 0 recs
i kinda have a man crush on
eric gordon, i know he wont be available to us at 14, but what if Memphis doesnt win the lottery and we flip Al and cash for Cardinal, Lowry or Crittenton and swap picks.
Im hoping we just get the third pick so we can get Gordon, if Monta leans to play the point, imagine a backcourt of those 2 guys for years to come.
Alot of people say bad things about Stephen Jackson, but don't give him credit for being a good basketball player.
by norcalsoldier on May 7, 2008 11:51 AM PDT 0 recs
Uhhh... why?
Gordon is an undersized scorer. He’s basically a bigger, slower, trigger happy Monta. He backed out of his Illinois commitment, got whiny after the coaching change. Oh, and his production was inconsistent throughout the year. No thank you. He’s got bust written all over him.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 7, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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hmmm..
I’m not a Gordon fan, but I think your trade idea is interesting. Crittenton or Lowry would make a good backup pg here, Cardinal could actually be useful with his rebounding, shooting touch and freethrow shoting (an extremely overpaid croshere) and if we had a shot at OJ Mayo I’d make the deal in an instant. I know Memphis is desperate to unload Cardinal, but would they want Al? I think we’d have to give up more to get the deal done, but its an interesting idea none the less.
by sam23 on
May 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
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I don't think
Memphis would want Al. Dumping Cardinal’s contract isn’t worth swapping the 3rd pick to the 14th. It’s too far of a drop off.
If we got the third pick, it’d be OJ for me.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
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gabezgsw
i definetely like the way your thinking, a guy that can do the dirty work, get on the glass, etc, etc. that’s definetely what the dubs need to be balanced, i think that if we had that type of guy nellie would have more options with his missmatches, meaning we could still go small ball but at the same time have a balanced starting five that doesnt get killed defensively in the low post or just on the boards in general. And then having Al still(maybe if we dont trade him) we could go with what i call Al ball which is when he plays center and we roll small. Joey Dorsey is good and i would like to pick him, but maybe sign a free agent “banger” type of player that has already somewhat proved himself, millsap? i know he has a team option with Utah but they have to pay deron williams a bunch. what about leon powe? oakland native im not sure the C’s are gonna be able to offer him much. I say we get one of those two guys and draft CDR or joey dorsey
by FeartheBeard4 on May 7, 2008 12:29 PM PDT 0 recs
Millsap will be in Utah next year
Team option means they can pay him what was originally agreed upon (<$1M in this case). That’s a no brainer. Next year, who knows, but we’ll be in a different situation too. Millsap will be in Utah for the coming year. Deal with it.
Powe, I don’t know about. Somebody catch me if I’m wrong, but Powe’s also not going anywhere unless the C’s want to let him go.
Look, I think we should “get two of those guys”, but so does every other team in the league… including the teams that “those guys” are on.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 7, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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I love Powe and Millsap
But I don’t think they will be around for us to pick up.
I just see the same ole type of players in the Draft this year. No one really excites me other than the dude out of Texas and Beasley out of KState. With that said the rest of the guys from pick #3 down to the last spot in the first round all generally bring the same dinner to the table. Joey Dorsey is different and he fits the hole that we so desperately need to be filled. I’m telling you. If you think a guy like Milsap or Powe can help teams like Utah and Boston, imagine what Dorsey could do for us coming off the bench. No one that we can realistically draft would be a starter or could fill the void that we need as well as Dorsey. Yes he’s a projected #32 pick, but as I listed before in the Official Joey Dorsey Movement Diary look at all the players that were drafted low yet have been great for their team…
by gabezgsw on May 7, 2008 1:06 PM PDT 0 recs
so
youre saying OJ Mayo and Joey Dorsey “bring the same dinner to the table”? Youre right I’d just as soon take Dorsey as Mayo, Westbrook or Lopez (and I’m just assuming you forgot Rose in your post, but maybe you’d like Dorsey as much as him too) What is wrong with all these Dorsey bandwagoners? Did you guys watch him play more than once or twice? HE”S NOT THAT GOOD. as a 2nd round pick, he’d be fine, but he’d be a flat out awful pick in the lottery.
by sam23 on
May 7, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
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Dude
Do you think we have a chance of getting a Mayo-no. Rose-no. Westbrook-no. Lopez-no. Westbrook-maybe, but we don’t need him like we need an inside presence. Read my son. Filling a void means getting something that lacks to exist. In the case with the Dubs, it a rebounder not Mayo, Rose or Westbrook.
We would have to trade existing players with contracts to obtain a high draft pick and none of those players you mentioned are worth throwing away a guy like Al Harrington, SJax or BD.
BTW, OJ Mayo SUCKS!!! He flat out won’t have much value in the NBA at all. He is the poster child for a way over hyped player. How fitting would it be that he lands in NY. Mayo is a BUST!!! Remember how far he helped his team in the NCAA tournament. Well he was horrid and USC lost to lowly KState in the 1st round.
by gabezgsw on May 7, 2008 1:32 PM PDT 0 recs
So, hypothetically
If Mayo’s stock drops and he magically falls to #14, you’d take Joey Dorsey over him?
I just want to get that on the GSoM record so I can laugh at you in a few years — or, if circumstances warrant, you can crow at me…
Sign ^^^^ !!!
by Sleepy Freud on
May 7, 2008 7:39 PM PDT
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Get ready for tears upon tears coming from laughter.
I strongly disagree with you Gabe, but i’d eat my words too if you prove to be true.
Since when did averaging 20PPG as a freshman make you a bust now? Mayo was the little spray of air freshener over the big pile of doo-doo that was the USC team this year. He carried that team into the tourney, don’t forget that. He’s still a top-5 pick in my opinion. I think he’ll have a solid career, in which i can see:
Max: Taller Chauncey Billiups
Mid: Brandon Roy
Low: Quentin Richardson
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 7, 2008 9:48 PM PDT
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read?
you said Dorsey is as good as anyone after the top 2. hypothetically if we traded up to the third pick you’d still want Dorsey. I’m not in favor of insulting people on here but dude thats flat out dumb.
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
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When I watched Mayo play at USC
he looked like an NBA player. He was patient, allowing the game to come to him, and had easy NBA range on his threes. I’m not seeing a bust.
If we somehow got the 2 pick, without hesitation we are taking Derrick Rose. He would be the point guard of the future when Baron is gone, fill a void (back up point guard), make losing Baron the following year not as big a blow, be a big point guard who Nelson would play with Monta, and think of our core. Biedrins, Wright, Ellis, Rose, Azubuike, and Belinelli off the bench? Yes please.
And I don’t want Dorsey because he is pretty much a worse version of Ben Wallace. And I could do without 40% FT shooting thanks.
by belilaugh on May 7, 2008 6:28 PM PDT 0 recs
Never said I'd take Dorsey at 14....
But if we could take him 2nd round, or trade for a late first rd pick…I’d take him.
by goldenstatefan on May 7, 2008 6:30 PM PDT 0 recs
thats fine
i dont particularly like dorsey but I’m not completely opposed to him in the second round. at least you have some sense, unlike some of the dorsey backers.
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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DORSEY!!!!
DORSEY!!! DOOOOORRRRRSSSSSEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!
Yeah… he likely won’t even be around when we pick halfway through the second round anyways… I can’t wait until he has a good game against us in ‘10 and guys are saying “see, I told you so!!!” Good times, good times.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 12, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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"I think we have enough big bodies on our team?"
??? We got Duncan?, Amare?Yao? Gasol? Dirk? Dang I musta missed them. If we got’em why don’t we play em? All I ever see is the midgets as Barkley would say ( along with one skinny tall lefthanded sharpshooter ) . I’d just once like to see us post up and back them down like shaqdaddy . Which of your “enough big bodies” do you suggest?
by Skeptic con Urquell on May 7, 2008 10:25 PM PDT 0 recs
speaking of Dirk
if Dallas starts shopping him what would you offer? How excited would Nellie be to be reunited with him?
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 12:08 PM PDT
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No Need To Crow
First off, my point which must have never been expressed enough is that the Warriors need a big. We don’t need another person who is a 3 or a small 4 and can shoot 3’s all day long. The Warriors need a big not for more points per se, but someone who can alter shots on the defensive end. Someone who thrives on rebounding. Someone who can pass out of the high or low post. The little things like tips for long rebounds, guards passing the ball instead of going for a lay-up, ect.
The last thing the warriors need is another guy who is a slasher who has an average jump shot and plays D with very little ferocity. We have enough shooters/slashers on the team who hang out on the perimeter for a jump shot and are nowhere seen boxing out for a rebound.
With that being said and thinking that the best thing for the Dubs is an inside player vs. a perimeter based player (1, 2 or a 3) if for some absolutely bizarre set of cosmic circumstances the Dubs were forced between two and only two players available, I would choose the player who is the best fit for what the Dubs need. That is my answer to your question Sleepy. Print it!
The funny thing about Orange Juice Mayonesa is that the NBA player I think he will inevitably become is someone kenntoe mentioned. He hit the nail on the head with Quentin Richardson who in my opinion is more sizzle than steak (11 points, 5 rebs career ave). J.R. Smith comes to mind too, who by the way was in the doghouse for both the Hornets and Nuggets until like 8 weeks ago when he went hot. When its all said and done, Nellie won’t even play the damn kid we draft anyway, so who really gives a sh*t.
by gabezgsw on May 7, 2008 11:48 PM PDT 0 recs
Someone said Donte Greene
Don’t we already have a young 6’10 220 pound player? Brandon Wright!! If we go big, we need to go BIG!! A banger, someone who won’t fold like a lawn chair while battling in the paint. Someone who absorbs contact and can finish. Speights will be able to do this, and Dorsey while only 6’9 is 260. We don’t have to worry about Dorsey jacking threes because he knows his role…rebound and do the dirty work. He has no offense other than around the tin. He does need work on his free throws, but if we can get him second round, I do it.
by goldenstatefan on May 8, 2008 2:08 PM PDT 0 recs
So, if we're getting Dorsey in the second...
Who do you think we should pick up in the first round?
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 9, 2008 6:17 AM PDT
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As for Orange Juice Mayo-naise...
Guards his size are a dime a dozen, and for all the hype he got, he should have gotten his team farther.
by goldenstatefan on May 8, 2008 2:10 PM PDT 0 recs
You should watch more than just the tourny.
Donte Greene is nothing like Brandan Wright. Yes, they’re noth 6’10’’ and rail thin, but Greene projects to be a SF in the Rashard Lewis mold. Think Al Harrington as his basement projection.
I’m sorry that you are endorsing Dorsey for this team.
I can’t believe people think Mayo was overrated. He led that pile of crap USC team to the tourny! No he didn’t make it far once there, but he averaged 20PPG as a freshman. Don’t forget that. Compare his numbers to Brandon Roy, Deron Williams, Gilbert Arenas, Dwyane Wade or Baron Davis’ Freshman years in college and you’ll see Mayo out-produced them.
Mayo can shoot, pass, and drive, although he could get better at finishing through contact and shot judgment. But the thing i love about him is that he has the competitive spirit and takes the shots when his team needs it the most as well as guard the opposing team’s best defensive wing.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 9, 2008 12:51 AM PDT
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I also like how he matured throughout the year
Mayo’s gonna be a good one.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 9, 2008 6:17 AM PDT
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I love Mayo too
and think he will be really good, and would love to see a trade with Memphis to move up and nab him. But that USC team should not have been that bad at all, they had crazy talent. They severely underachieved this year.
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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It doesn't help
That they had to play UCLA twice this year either.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
May 12, 2008 1:05 PM PDT
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yep
and even though the pac10 went and took a dump in the tourney, top to bottom they were far superior to any other conference. Cal was a bottom feeder with three legit NBA talents.
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
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YES
Bellinelli is a good shooter… one rookie season where you play sparingly and only get a chance to put up a couple shots a game doesn’t count. you saw him when he was hot and you saw him when he got some longer stints.
by Agent Zero on May 10, 2008 11:48 PM PDT 0 recs
No
he’s not. check some stats from his time in Europe. Horrible percentages. He’s got great RANGE but at this point borderline terrible accuracy. He has the ability to BECOME a good shooter, but is not one now.
by sam23 on
May 12, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
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