Go ahead, make my day.
In reference to my call to trade Al Harrington, I have been asked (as well as wondered myself) who I would go after? Well, I'm not sure how enamored they Heat are with Shawn Marion, or how he feels about them, but that would be my first choice outside of Elton Brand. Elton Brand is a more difficult trade to make because the proposed team is in the same division as the W's, which makes a trade less likely.
Let me say that either of those are very likely, but here is the direction I'd try and go. The case for Shawn Marion:
Run, run, run: The Warriors are probably entering next season as the NBA's elite scoring team, with the addition of Shaq in PHX, and the gradual decline of Steve Nash. Never mind that the Warriors already an elite scoring team, but the addition of Shawn Marion would put them over the top.
Scoring: Worst case scenario for the nay sayer, the scoring would be a wash, but I'd still give the upper hand to Marion, easily.
*Marion: 36 MPG, 15.4 PPG, FGP 50%, FTP 70%.
*Harrington: 27 MPG: 13.6 PPG, FGP 43%, FTP 77%.
The only clear edge that Harrington has is free throws, which is of concern, but not enough of a concern for anyone to not make this move.
The Achilles Heel: Defense and Rebounding: With the Warriors willingness to go small, you could use the 6'7 Marion at the PF position.
Marion's regular season defensive rankings worth noting:
#7 in the NBA with 1.98 SPG (Steal per game) - Harrington 0.9 SPG
#6 in the NBA with 8.0 Defensive RPG - Harrington 4.1 Defensive RPG
Many of Marion's stats were better than Harrington's, but twice as many steals and defensive rebounds per game? Who doesn't know that the Warriors defensive mission is to turn the ball over? Last season the Warriors were the #1 offensive rebounding team in the Western Conference, and the 5th worst defensive rebounding team in the Conference. Remember to the defensive stops that could have been last year, if the opposing team hadn't pulled that offensive rebound...
The logistics of the trade:
This is where it gets very tricky. I'm not completely knowledgeable of the NBA salary cap, but from what I could find, the Warriors could go up to $67.865M before they had to start paying the luxury tax. I wasn't able to find out what the 2008/2009 salary cap figure will be, so I'm basing this off of this past seasons numbers. I will also be using last years player salaries for free agents and their potential sign and trade deals.
Sean Marion's 08-09 cap figure is $17.4M, Al Harrington being $9.2M. Ouch.
Fist there would have to be some sign and trade deals done in order to make this deal. The main players leaving the Warriors would be Al Harrington, Mickael Pietrus (I chose MP due to the apparent interest from Miami last season), Kosta Perovic, Kelenna Azibuke, and the Warriors #1 draft pick this year.
Salaries:
As stated, Harrington is making $9.2M.
Pietrus made $3.4M, so I'll round him up to $4M assuming he's get a small raise.
Perovic is due to make $1.94M.
Azibuke is due to make 797K.
(Plus 1, or 2 first round picks? Or Belinelli if the W's don't think he'll pan out)
Other players that could be mixed and matched, Barnes, O'Bryant and Belinelli. Belinelli may be required as part of the main package, although I'm trying to avoid that in these scenario's. Those salaries mentioned above would come to $15.93M, which could amount to a wash with whatever Marion would sign to, because his new deal would not equal the $17.4M he's due to make.
Also, if the Warriors are that big on Belinelli, they could offer an additional 1st round pick, because chances are with Marion they wouldn't be in the lottery and the team would be young enough that losing another first round pick probably wouldn't kill them in the long term, although it certainly wouldn't help.
This would give the W's a possible roster of:
Baron Davis - C.J. Watson *
Monta Ellis - Kelenna Azibuke
Stephen Jackson - Matt Barnes *
Shawn Marion - Brandon Wright
Andris Biedrins - Austin Croshere *
Patrick O'Bryant * - Marco Bellinelli *
* Players that could be resigned, or (sign and) traded away as part of the proposed deal.
Since I tried to be conservative in my salary cap figures, the Warriors would probably be in decent cap shape, especially if a move like this could prompt Baron Davis to opt out and resign at a discount in the same manner that Gilbert Arenas would to keep Antawn Jamison. If not, BD's departure after this season would clear plenty of cap room to allow for Marion's salary and a replacement for years to come.
Ellis/Jax/Marion/Wright/Biedrins - That sounds good to me.
I did my best to make this trade remotely apprear aa a possibility, but there is so much that goes into it, and so many variables involved that makes something of this scale hard to imagine. Anyone have Mullin's phone number? Maybe he's hiring for an assistant.....I'm full of imagination.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Mia
Is in full rebuild mode. If they look to trade or not resign Marion it’ll be for cap room or young players.
They are not going to take on additional salary.
Mickael will look to get more than a 600K raise. That’s an insult.
I can say the same about Kelenna as well. He’s getting a cut of someone’s MLE.
Marion to the Warriors is just too unrealistic a challenge to be making. Good effort though.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on May 8, 2008 1:36 PM PDT 0 recs
In retrospect, and after reading the feedback so far, I can see how unrealistic this idea is. I think that if you were to offer two picks and Belinelli with Harrington, Azibuke and MP, it’s not that crazy. Is it?
by passionately objective on
May 8, 2008 4:27 PM PDT
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unrealistic
we don’t have anything that miami wants. maybe pietrus but thats not enough. They have no need for pietrus when they have marion. They don’t need harrington when they have marion. Marion does what harrington and pietrus does. Play defense, rebound and score.
by saintdee on May 8, 2008 1:39 PM PDT 0 recs
As for Al.
I’m hoping we can trade him for a better option at PF like Drew Gooden. We don’t need a long term replacement at PF since we already have Brandan Wright. Plus he’s an expiring contract, so our commitment is minimal.
I still think Al is worth a pick in the first round. I’d say anywhere from 23-30 range.
Whatever it takes, i’m at about 60-40 that Al will be gone by start of next season.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on May 8, 2008 1:39 PM PDT 0 recs
asdf
That’s not realistic at all, the only players on the Dubs the Heat would want are Ellis, AB and Wright. They are in full rebuild mode, the last thing they want to do is take on more dead weight salary, which is what Al, MP2 and Kosta are. I could see the Heat maybe being interested in Buike but it wouldn’t surprise me if they weren’t. In all reality the only way we’re going to be able to jettison Harrington is at the trade deadline to a team desperate for outside shooting.
Stephen Jackson catches on the wing and faces up against Vujacic. When Jax looks down and sees Vujacic, his eyes light up. He pulls out his nine, screams "Thug Life" and empties the clip, then drives in for a basically uncontested layup.
by J Rich 4 MVP on May 8, 2008 2:49 PM PDT 0 recs
lol.
Salaries:
As stated, Harrington is making $9.2M.
Pietrus made $3.4M, so I’ll round him up to $4M assuming he’s get a small raise.
Perovic is due to make $1.94M.
Azibuke is due to make 797K.
MP and Buike are inaccurate. Why would Miami want to inherit longer term salaries?
by ejdacanay on May 8, 2008 4:51 PM PDT 0 recs
lol?
I got that data from the internet, so my apologies for any mistakes. As far as longer term salaries, I’m not quite sure what you mean there.
by passionately objective on
May 8, 2008 5:16 PM PDT
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You.
Can’t trade a player who won’t be with the team next year (Pietrus) unless its a Sign And Trade.
Buike already said he WILL hit the open market.
by ejdacanay on
May 9, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
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You were right....
Did I not mention sign and trade?
“Fist there would have to be some sign and trade deals done in order to make this deal.”
I think I did.
by passionately objective on
May 9, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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Azibuke
You’re right on him, he has a player option for 797k, but he could opt out and try to get more. Which I think he would get.
by Psion on
May 8, 2008 7:46 PM PDT
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marion
of course would be great for this team, as we all know what he did with phoenix. getting him from miami just doesn’t seem possible tho
by AJC3317 on May 8, 2008 5:55 PM PDT 0 recs
only salary that works is
Baron Davis, and I thinkj somebody already suggested Baron + #14 pick + Al + our JRich trade exemption for Miami’s #1 pick + Marion + cap filler. DWade and Baron would make the best back court in the weak eastern conference.
by shootda3 on May 8, 2008 8:03 PM PDT 0 recs
i wouldnt
mind that too much. putting Rose and Monta together for the next 5-10 years would put us in contention with Portland, NO, and LA as the western elite for years to come. Jack, Marion would keep us competitive for the next 2 or 3 years.
by sam23 on
May 11, 2008 12:50 AM PDT
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asdf
You can’t throw in our trade exception like it’s giving the Heat 10 extra million dollars, they couldn’t in turn use it for anything, it just allows us to absorb a contract up to the much. Plus you can’t use the TE combined with anything else, we could only use it to attain a player making 10 mil or less. Also, it’s ridiculous to trade BD for Marion, we aren’t going to contend without him. I doubt the Heat are willing to trade Marion seeing as his contract is going to be valuable to use as an expiring towards the trade deadline this year.
Stephen Jackson catches on the wing and faces up against Vujacic. When Jax looks down and sees Vujacic, his eyes light up. He pulls out his nine, screams "Thug Life" and empties the clip, then drives in for a basically uncontested layup.
by J Rich 4 MVP on
May 11, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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my understanding
is that if we trade the TE, Miami DOES get a 10 million dollar TE of their own and another 1 year window to use it. I think you can combine the TE with draft picks but not players, but you could easily get around that by making 2 seperate deals. I could be wrong, but thats what I’ve read.
by sam23 on
May 11, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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sike your mind.
Screw that noise. Azubuike stays. At all costs.
by xcoma on May 8, 2008 9:15 PM PDT 0 recs
At all costs.
Haha, 797K and he’s yours!
by Skeptic con Urquell on
May 8, 2008 11:10 PM PDT
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i didnt even read the whole thing
I want to trade a role player for a star. I want to trade Biedrins for Tim Duncan. i want to trade my Volkswagon for a ferrari, I want to trade my girlfriend for Jessica Alba. I want to a house on the beach. I want to win the lottery.
Maverick Fans Just don't get it.... Dirk = Deutshland
by dallaswarrior on May 9, 2008 12:00 AM PDT 0 recs
I can't believe nobody's mentioned this
Marion has a player option that he can exercise this year making him a free agent. If he does, we can free up some cap space by trading Al and not re-signing some folks (MP, Barnes, etc.).
Obviously Marion opting out is a big IF, but that has to be taken care of before Marion can be traded.
On another note:
Al has a Player Option for 09-10
KaBukie has a TEAM OPTION, not a player option.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/07-08salaries.htm
by Dubs fan in Boston on May 9, 2008 6:47 AM PDT 0 recs
Maybe we could entice him with D'Antoni...?
If we could dump TMNT on a team with cap space, I’d gladly take a replay of the 55-60-win Run-and-Gun Suns:
Baron / Westbrook
Monta / Azubuike
Jackson / Pietrus
Marion / BWright
Biedrins / Kosta
Coach: Mike D’
Where do I sign up?
Sign ^^^^ !!!
by Sleepy Freud on
May 9, 2008 8:12 AM PDT
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I really don't think Marion would want to come back to D'Antoni
Part of what Marion hated was being the third wheel in the pick/roll half court offense. He wants to be “The Guy”. Would he get that here? Probably not. But maybe he’s learned something from his days in Miami.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 9, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
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Sleepy/Dubs in Bos
Sleepy, you’d rather have Kosta rather than POB? Or was that strictly a salary move?
If Marion is truly interested in resigning in Mia, he must have already resigned himself to not being “the man”, because DWade will forever be the man while he’s there.
by passionately objective on
May 9, 2008 9:54 AM PDT
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I never said he'd stay in Miami...
He can sign wherever he wants if he opts out… He could be “the man” for the Bucks, Chicago, or any of the other crappy teams in the Leastern conference… But he definitely would not be “the man” in Oakland.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
May 9, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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true
I think he does badly want to be “the man.” This doesnt give him anything Phoenix didnt. He’d still be asked to do all the dirty work while Baron got the attention like Nash and Monta like Amare was seen as the future.
by sam23 on
May 11, 2008 12:56 AM PDT
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Could we afford it?
How can we afford matrix, boom, monta,jax,and dris if we cudn’t afford jason , monta,dris,,boom,and jax? How about boom, bukkake,jax,matrix,and dris to make it affordable?
I too don’t think marion wants anything more to do with d,antoni and who can blame him?
by Skeptic con Urquell on
May 9, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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Affordable?
It looks possible(ish). But that would probably rely on a more cap friendly extension for Boom AND Matrix.
by passionately objective on
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couple problems with that
i love the idea, but is Kosta ready to get major minutes? And I really really really doubt Westbrook is there at 14, even though I think it would be a dream come true. (Baron gets a UCLA understudy, Monta gets a big defensive minded backcourt mate for the future.) I’d love to be able to deal Al just to move up and nab Mayo or Westbrook.
by sam23 on
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