How about we hire a Big-Man Assistant coach
by 3 The Hard Way on Jun 2, 2008 4:25 PM PDT
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PrintWith each and every passing day, it looks like we'll be left with project, and conspicous Big-Men in this years draft. Seeing how alot of these projects usually go bust, or turn into franchise players we should do the best thing to ensure a smooth transition. Like how Yao, KG, Duncan, and Andrew Bynum have developed under great tutelage, we need to hire a great NBA foward-center to mentor our young bigs. Most of the current NBA bigs have blossomed under great mentoring and previous NBA Greats.
Yao was mentored by Patrick Ewing,
KG had Kevin Mchale,
Andrew Bynum had Kareem Abdul-Jabar,
Duncan had David Robinson,
All these current stars were tutored by past bigs, with great post games. I can think of a few that our probally stil avaliable.
James Worthy, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Arvydis Sabonis, Bill Russell, Karl Malone.
One of these few I mentioned got to be some what bored with their day jobs, and wouldnt mind passing on the knowledge they have.
Like how we hired Sydney Moncrief to assist with our free throws, this would be something we can do without drastically changing tht team. It would be a low risk, high reward situation, if it were to work out.
What do you guys think?
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Great idea...
I remember when Clifford Ray tried working w/ Adonal Foyle… just imagine if he worked with someone who had talent!?
by Mr. Monday Night on Jun 2, 2008 6:12 PM PDT reply actions
Excellent, I feel the same
Get Clifford Ray back here!!
by goldenstatefan on Jun 2, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Hakeem
would be nice to get as a big man coach for Wright and Beans.
Can you imagine Beans using the dream fake to perfection? It would be quite a sight.
Only problem is I heard he’s living in Africa and is entirely devoted to his religious efforts.
If beans tried the dream shake...
He’d travel on every possession and he’d be the league leader in turnovers. In all seriousness, we need to get someone realistic and someone who can help these players (Beans, Wright, Kosta and whatever other big men we have) improve on their strengths and clean up the minor things
by Mr. Monday Night on Jun 2, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
how bout dikembe?
as a player/coach? is he still under contract with houston? has he retired? the guy is really underrated and I think only a tier below some of the all-time greats like Ewing and Robinson. If he could teach BWright shot-blocking timing and positioning he could be a defensive force.
The league no longer allows player/coaches. The most recent CBA closed that loophole so teams couldn’t stash additional players on salary as ‘coaches’ or augment salaries above what they could afford by giving them a coaching salary as well.
by jae on Jun 3, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Hrrmmm....
Whats Todd Fuller up to ?
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by STIX on Jun 2, 2008 10:03 PM PDT reply actions
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or has Cliff Robinson retired yet?
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by STIX on Jun 2, 2008 10:04 PM PDT reply actions
Who mentored Shaq?
Of course of those guys “mentored” by former greats, we’ve got two #1 overall picks, a #5 overall (back in the day when it was considered a huge risk to take a high schooler at all) and a #10 pick. These were guys who were known to have a world of talent already. Abdul Jabbar didn’t seem to have much luck mentoring Olowokandi, and I’m not sure who mentored Shaq or Alonzo. I suspect that the underlying talent is far more important than the simple formula of getting a former great.
Umm...
Don’t we need a big man in order to have a “Big Man” coach. With POB and Kosta to Kosta most likely on their way out, do we even have a big man? And what is a big man anyway? We have some tall players(Andris, POB and Kosta), but we need a big, like some one who isn’t 6’10” 230 lbs. Sh*t, Baron is 220 lbs!
Hmm, anyone in particular you have in mind...?
;-)
Actually, Gabez, you’ll be pleased to hear that Wages of Wins guru Dave Berri rates Your Lover Joey Dorsey as one of the absolute sleepers of this draft — going so far as to suggest that he might be more valuable than Derrick Rose:
Memphis’s Joey Dorsey just plain puts up amazing Win Scores. Looking at his history, you’ll understand why I sighed a big breath of relief as Dorsey fouled out of the National Title Game. Dorsey, not Derrick Rose, was the engine that drove the Memphis Tigers through the regular season, and both players stepped up for a fantastic tournament run. Rose may go 30 picks earlier, but Dorsey can well prove to be the better value given the cheap projected price of a 2nd rounder.
Meanwhile, he likes Beasley at #1, but he also loves Kevin Love and Marresse Speights:
After Beasley we see two more big men. While mock drafts have Kevin Love going anywhere from 5 to 15, Win Scores followers should consider Love the #2 or #3 talent in the draft, hands down. Additionally, Florida big man Marreese Speights is one to watch. Currently his name is bouncing around mock drafts in the mid first round, though by the stats, Speights seems to be surefire top 10 material, if not better.
Pretty interesting stuff — definitely worth checking out when you have a minute: http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/the-2008-nba-draft-preview/
Yup, as a shameless Berri/JAE devotee, I’m amending my draft wish-list as follows:
1. Love
2. Speights
3. Dorsey (trade down, maybe pick up another late first-rounder)
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Edit:
The article was actually written by Berri disciple Erich Doerr. Still, I’m convinced. Love/Speights/Dorsey or bust!
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Speights or Love would be great value at #14. For no particular reason, I Speights seems like the guy to get if Mulson get big-man tunnel vision. If he’s not available, historically your best bet for getting some value in the middle to end of the draft comes at a guard position. If you give up on the illusion of getting a world beater and realize that ‘competent 15-20mpg backup point guard’ a) can be available because teams pass on them in favor of big men projects that pan out with similar odds to the state Lotto, and b) can actually help your team win games, you can get something out of those spots in the draft. If you look at the “C” listed next to someone’s name in the program and their ability to get things off the top shelf without a step ladder, you wind up with the POB more often than you wind up with a Bynum or a Biedrins.
But if we’re looking at ‘athletic ability’ and ‘potential’ for what it’s worth, Joe Alexander turned out to be the second strongest and second fastest player at the combine (or whatever they call it in the NBA). Alexander turned out to be as tall as Beasley (whom he bested in almost all measures) and gives up one in in standing reach. No, that doesn’t make him a better player, but it’s an intriguing if he’s around at 14. His numbers don’t pop out, but neither do they look bad.
Dorsey measured shorter than expected and may well be available in the second round. I doubt that Nellie would play him, but as a longer term value, I’d spend my second rounder on him.
by jae on Jun 4, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
wow, sleepy...
I’m proud of you. I knew you’d come around. but we should agree that our #14th pick isn’t exactly the best spot to draft him (dorsey) but trading down to get him or trading up with our 2nd round pick would also work. in any scenerio, the more I think about it, the more I am certain that trading baron for a draft pick and anything to make the trade even is a smart move. there is a lot of talent coming out of this year’s draft. spites(#14th pick), latissimus dorsi(2nd round), and russ westside(traded 1st round) would be my picks.
Aw shucks.
I’m proud of you for being proud of me. Not sure what I needed to “come around” about, since I’ve always been intrigued by Love, Speights, and Dorsey, but I’ll take my propers where I can get them. Are you sure you’re not confusing me with my “friend” Sam (Samwise) 23 or my fellow Masshole DubsFaninBoston?
Naturally, I’m with you on Speights, Dorsey, and Westbrook. If we traded Baron and snagged all three of them (plus presumably a salary dump of some kind) I’d consider this a pretty spectacular offseason.
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Hey...
Bay Area born and bred.
I still believe that when our FIRST ROUND PICK comes around, there’ll be too much talent around to warrant jumping on a guy who might still be around when our second pick comes up.
Maybe we trade our second rounder this year and next to move up in the second round or something… I’ve never “hated” Joey, in fact I’ve mentioned multiple times that I like him. But picking him with the #14 pick in the draft when there are plenty of other great players still available is ludacris. That and it gets old when somebody keeps harping on the same topic. Kind of like I don’t hate Love, I just hated how Iggy was pushing to dump Beans to clear some space to start Love straight away.
Mullin has my trust, no matter who they pick.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 4, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I wouldn’t pick him at #14, especially after he measured out to 6’7” in shoes (or whatever), but crazy rebounders like Dorsey do tend to be underrated in terms of their contribution to wins. Here’s hoping the size issue knocks him down to us in the second round.
p.s. I knew you were Bay Area kid — I just like the word “Masshole.” (And I’m counting the minutes till it appears in a post by the Atma Brother… )
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I hear ya
FYI, there’s a place in Mass called “Athol”. Try pronouncing it with a lithp… err lisp. Heh. Also try saying “I was born on a pirate ship” while holding your tongue… Sorry, I can get pretty juvenile.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 6, 2008 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Im totally with Dubs fan in Boston
on the whole Dorsey thing. I’ll concede that the Joey Dorsey movement probaby caused me to lash back and be more critical of Dorsey than he actually deserved. Its still totally ridiculous to even consider him at 14, but I was never opposed to him in the 2nd round and now that the Dorsey movement has backed off and cooler heads have prevailed I realize I’d be o.k. with moving up in the 2nd to nab him. He hustles and boards and we DO need that. Unfortunately thats all he does. I had the exact same backlash against Love because of Iggy but am coming around on him as well since Iggy and his ridiculous ego and self-important rhetoric have disappeared.
Has anybody been to Iggy's blog?
His dad must be proud.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 6, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
ha
when I was new to this site, I bashed Lowell on one of Iggy’s posts before I knew it was his dad. When I found out I felt sorta bad…...until I read a few more of Iggy’s posts.
Yeah...
I felt bad for a second when I realized that KLove at 14 wouldn’t be so bad now that he’s lost his baby fat. Then I remembered that Iggy was hugely promoting just dumping Beans… then I didn’t feel so bad.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 6, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
you're right, sam...
“cooler heads have prevailed” and your lashing out on other’s opinions often comes too quickly and unwarranted. I think you put too much trust in certain blogger’s opinions and not enough on others, showing that you don’t have much of your own mind. Just waiting for those you trust to have an opinion on something, then backing them up with your +1s. it’s a great tactic to have instant support on everything you say, but please. most people on this board come up with their own opinions thru their own knowledge and their own experiences. but not you… you’re the plus one master!
no
apparently, I’ve been giving you too many +1’s and him too few. +1 envy. I gave him one below, hopefully he feels better now.
+1
Sorry if I tend to agree with Dubs fan or Sleepy a lot (I only assume thats who youre talking about) and not you or Iggy or gabezgsw. (I also tend to disagree with sleepy quite often) I really cant help that they tend not to have completely ridiculous ideas like “draft joey dorsey in the 1st round because he’s 260 lbs of muscle!” I could care less whether those two, or anyone else, supports me or if I support them, but since I generally tend to lean more towards the rational side, I tend to have support. I’m sorry thats just he way it works. Maybe I’ll actually start an Eddy Curry or Stephon Marbury movement so everyone will bash me, no one will support me, and you’ll respect me more.
I'm sorry
for all the ill remarks towards you. you do have a mind of your own and a fan in boston to back it up. I guess I was wrong. but if your rational side argues that jrich was a good trade, and dorsi wasn’t the driving force behind the tiger’s success, and baron davis is necessary to the dubs success, then I must correct myself and change my opinion about you. that you need to get out more and see others opinions outside of this board cuz dubs fans in oaktown and in the bay will tell you that the jrich trade was an awful similarity to the bad mich richmond trade, memphis considers dorsi the unstoppable machine that drove their team to the finals, and we can care less if baron doesn’t get the $$ he cries for (not the same as when arenas was here). I don’t need any +1s to know this. so stick to your guns man, cuz you’re never wrong.
yea
we disagree on all of those. I saw Rose/CDR as the driving forces for Memphis, Baron as the guy who turned the franchise around, and the JRich trade as an unfortunate necessity.
Please please please tell me this is a joke. There are dreadfully few players I’d like to have less. Dollar for dollar, there isn’t a less valuable player in the league than Eddy Curry.
by jae on Jun 6, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
don't forget about doo doo...
there’s a tiny doo doo brown movement going on around here. and dollar for dollar worst than eddy curry, imo.
of course its a joke
I cant stand Eddy Curry’s game. I was just saying we shouldnt get a big beefy guy just to get one.
umm..
Well this is also based on the possibility of us getting another big-man at the number 14 pick. Also on the basis that nellie wants some more front court players for this year as well.
Stephen Jackson..."I make love to pressure."
I hope we get someone big
If we get another 6’7” 225 lbs slasher, I’m gonna be disapointed. Bring in da beef!
how many 6'7" slashers
do you see that will be on the roster next year? I only see Jack, and I dont think I’d call him a slasher. I’m not saying CDR is the way to go at 14 or anything, but at this point I’m open to a lot of possibilities (Love, Westbrook, Jordan, Speights, Rush, Randolph, Alexander etc…) Only guy I’m really down on so far is McGee.
Clifford Ray
We had Clifford Ray and our bigmen started to develop. In my opinion, big men in Nelson’s offense are not the traditional bangers. I think that has led to the failure of POB, Diogu and Murphy. If you ask me , the idea bigment is a lanky, quick jumping PF like a T. Prince, Kiralenko, Josh Howard type. While I have clamored for drafting and Playing more traditional post players, Nelson can not help reverting to his smallish Nature. There in lies his achillies heal. We can go through the motion of having traditional post players but like the Utah series two years ago, when Boozer was dominating us in the paint, our bigmen languished on the bench. Maybe we can hire Deriick Mckey to coach the big men. It seems to me that the difficulty Mullin had with him back in the days has influenced his definition of a big man.
by Ultimate Warrior on Jun 7, 2008 9:01 AM PDT reply actions
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