The Wait is KILLING Me!

by buttafingas on Jun 23, 2008 8:53 AM PDT

Long time reader of this great site - newly joined to the community.

Couple quick thoughts that have probably been said here before:

1. We have about a two year window with Baron, so we need to make a big move. With the trade exception and the draft looming we can't let this upgrade chance pass us by.

2. I'm hoping we move Harrington for a vet big - artest, sheed, brand, tprince, marion.

3.hoping to draft a swing man with a bigger skillset and upside than Pietrus or Barnes (shouldn't be hard todo).

4. The West, while not necessarily getting much worse (i think a bit so), will be in a state of flux next year (new coaches, possible big trades from Denver and Pheonix) so we need to start strong and establish our place in the standings.

5. Wright and Marco both bring skills we lacked last year (rebounding and defense presence down low for Wright and better shooting and Bball IQ for Marco) so i think them playing more will help our starters more than hurt them.

6. I am more optimistic heading into this season than I was going into last....assuming mullin makes a big move... which of course, he will....i hope.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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If we trade Al I seriously doubt we will see anything of great value in return. Certainly not a Sheed/Brand/Marion type of player (we would also have to include other players to even make the math work which will be very difficult with the current state of the team). The most realistic deal I’ve heard is the one with Clev for AV (or maybe Smith).

I also want to caution against counting on a big move or the use of the TPE. We traded J-Rich primarily so that we could get rid of his contract and make room under the luxury tax to re-sign Monta and Dris(that and pick up a possible stud PF), not to pick up another big contract right before re-signing these guys after going an entire year without J-Rich (if they planned on having an extra 10mil on the books walking into negotiations with the kids I suspect they would have just kept J-Rich). If anything we may use it to trade our pick for a player with a reasonable salary (maybe a couple mil more than our pick would have made).

I fully expect that most if not all of the TPE will expire and the space under the luxury tax will be used to re-sign the young’ns and fill out the bench.

Having said all that I would love to be surprised this offseason and start the year with a team built around Baron, Brand, Monta, Wright and Andris. I think you’d have a pretty respectable team even if you surrounded those guys with scrubs. Do you think that the Clipshow would take everyone else on our team for Brand? =P

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jun 23, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions

I like the

Al plus 14 to cleveland for AV, Smith, and 17 idea. (If Cleve is down for that) Smith would fit this system real well, AV could provide some scrappy toughness and rebounding and play some minutes at the 5, and Cleveland would get to draft Koufos as the heir apparent to big Z and give Lebron a more legit scorer to play with in Al. We still probably get the guy we want or a guy we like (Thompson?) at 17. The frontcourt would be pretty set with Beans, Wright, Smith, Thompson, and AV all getting minutes at the 4 and 5. Thats certainly a better rebounding/defending interior that what we ran out there last year.

by sam23 on Jun 23, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions

i like

i think this is a feasible trade hehe. so we get joe smith again? hahaha

by japoyy on Jun 23, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions

dream the dream

If you are the “Barak Obama” of GSoM” your optimism needs a tune up. Stuff happens in the NBA that I never thought would get done (see celtics trio and Gasol trade for exhibits a and b). I honestly think that getting a solid 4 like the ones mentioned above is possible – maybe not when the draft happens but maybe before season starts. If we can’t get anything of value in return I say keep him – but I think him plus another player with potential (Marco?) may be enough. Allowing the salary to expire may be what Cohan wants, but I doubt Mullin wants that. Mike Miller anyone? Hell, after our win total last season and playoff absence that followed – I’d say our karma is due. Yes we can! Yyes we can!

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by buttafingas on Jun 23, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions

You honestly think, huh?

Dude. “Stuff happens,” to be sure, but even the weirdest trades tend to involve some kind of rationale on the part of both trading partners, even if that rationale is something like “I want to help my good friend Danny Ainge” or “David Stern strongly suggested I give Gasol to the Fakers to set up a Boston/LAL finals.” You’ve yet to provide anything resembling a rationale for the Heat, Clips, Pistons, or Kings. If you were the Clips, would you trade Elton Brand to your division rival for Al Harrington and a “player with potential” (Marco?)

I basically agree with all 6 of your original points, but we diverge on the blind optimism. Wanting to do something and attempting to do something are not the same as succeeding in doing something. Exhibit A: the Warriors and KG.

Mike Miller may be more realistic than the other names you brought up, but do you really want him? Does he get us even a sniff at the second round of the playoffs? I see him as a more expensive, more consistent, less versatile, boring white version of TMNT Harrington.

As for the Obama label: IIRC, I gave it to OM ‘cos he’s good natured, thoughtful, and fair, not ‘cos he’s blindly optimistic. He gets to keep it even if he puts 200,000 miles on it and never gives it a tuneup. ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Thanks for letting me keep my title. After all, all I’m trying to do is fight the smears of unrealistic trade scenarios on GSoM. That seems pretty Obama-like to me.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jun 23, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions

youre gonna have to

be a lot more vague though. Say a lot, very well, without really saying anything at all. Its an art, but if you are to be the Obama of GSoM youll have to master it.

by sam23 on Jun 24, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions

True enough

It would be nice to see OB talk policy as specifically as OM talks hoops. Then again, OlympicMike isn’t running for POTUS in a “gotcha!”, high-pressured environment where the slightest provocative word is gobbled up and distorted by a juvenile and overexcitable press. Tough to blame him for playing it on the safe, “vague” side, assuming his #1 priority is to win. Eyes on the prize, right?

Anyway, if OM were running for office, the fact that he has a friendly cyber-relationship with me would probably torpedo his campaign right out of the gate… ;-)

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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2008 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions

Optimism

Hey, I never say never. Anything can happen in this league, I’ve seen enough to know that. However I’ve also seen enough to know that hoping for unrealistic trades only leads to heartbreak (or the closest thing you can get from watching sports).

I’d rather spend my optimism on guys like Monta, Beans and Wright… you know, guys that actually stand a reasonable chance at being a Warrior next season.

But hey, I really do hope you are right. I would LOVE to trade Al and Marco for Brand, hey I’ll even throw in Jack and his 20ppg if they are interested. For the record I’m not holding my breath.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jun 23, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions

The trade

would have to be Al + Marco + 13 future unprotected 1sts.

by phiLthyphiL on Jun 24, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions

A new record?

Would it be so bad to operate a NBA team without having a draft pick for 13 years? At least they couldn’t be criticized for making the wrong draft choice. =P

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jun 24, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions

I believe it would take 26 years. The “Ted Stepien Rule” prevents a GM from his own moronic abilities by preventing trading successive 1st rounders in the same deal, as Cleveland did in the early 80s thus giving the Lakers Big Game James when they were already an elite team. (A team can trade away all their first rounders still, it just requires multiple deals to do it). That deal would just mean no 1st rounder every other year for the next quarter century.

by jae on Jun 24, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

I hope

I hope we never have a draft pick worth having again. I hope we are never in the lottery and I would be more than happy to just build our team with FA and run a little rookie camp of non drafted players and take the best one onto the team each year!!!

by MissingHoops on Jun 25, 2008 2:43 AM PDT reply actions

The man from Hope?

“hope we never have a draft pick worth having again. hope we are never in the lottery ,would be more than happy to just build our team with FA and run a little rookie camp of non drafted players and take the best one onto the team each year!!!
And re-name ourselfs the Modesto Warriorettes and play at the high school gym on tuesday nights?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions