A Sleeper Player who fits our needs NOW
I think that the perfect fit for the warriors in this years draft is none other than Big Joey Dorsey from Memphis. For all you who didnt see memphis play in the ncaa tourney, his bio from www.nbadraft.net is below... he can come in right away and do nothing but clog the middle on D and grab boards all day long while Boom, Monta et all score all the points. Im not saying we draft him in round one, but maybe we use our 1st pick in a trade and 2nd pick to grab dorsey. I see him like a milsap type player. What do you all think? We need someone right now to contribute not some project.
"NBA Comparison: Bo Outlaw/Ben Wallace
Strengths: A physical specimen type of interior force ... Very aggressive, strong and explosive ... Does all the dirty work, cleaning the boards and defending ... Simply overpowers a lot of players on the college level with brute strength and athleticism ... A tremendous rebounder, averaging more rebounds than points per game (9.6 rpg as a junior), and really hits the offensive glass hard where he averages nearly as many offensive rebounds as on the defensive end ... Runs the floor well and plays at a high intensity level ... An improving shot blocker (2.2 bpg) who also alters opponents shots ... His great length and leaping ability make him a load for opponents to contend with on both ends of the floor ... Has shown some improvement in his skill level, though he'll likely never be much of an offensive player ... Capable of some rim rattling dunks and attacks the rim with ferocity ... "
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I hate him
Dorsey is a mental midget- let’s not forget how he called out Greg Oden before Memphis played them last year, then he got demolished.
“Oh yeah,” he said. “I think (scouts) really will be watching this game tomorrow night because it’s two great big men going up against each other. I’m an underrated big man and he’s a lot overrated as a big man.”Another reporter: Did you just say Greg Oden is overrated? And if so, why?
“I outrebounded him on the season,” Dorsey said. “I’m the No. 6 rebounder in the nation, and I’m trying to move up to No. 1 after this game.”
First of all, Dorsey’s incorrect. He isn’t sixth. He’s 16th
Dorsey had 0 points, 3 boards, and 4 fouls
Oden had 17/9
by dprodigy19 on
Jun 23, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
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yikes.
was he 16 at the time of the statement?
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by STIX on
Jun 23, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
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crap. im a stoner.
of course he was. it was the last game of the season.
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by STIX on
Jun 23, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
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I don't see the attraction...
He has a fiery personality and is obviously a tough dude (very solid rebounder), but the fact of the matter is he is 24 years old already and a sub-40% free throw shooter. I’ll pass. I don’t believe his strengths outweigh his glaring deficiencies.
by HajiSpringer on
Jun 23, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
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I bet you a hundred dollars
That Moncrief could round that up to a solid 46% by the end of the year.
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by STIX on
Jun 23, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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When did 24 become the new 38?
I’d rather have a player who has a proven track record over 4 years at 24 years old rather than a boy who is 18 or 19. True story…
by gabezgsw on
Jun 23, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
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I'd argue that his age hurts him more than it helps.
Scouts have to take all sorts of things into account when they make their selection.
One of them is of course age. The fact that Dorsey is already 24; not a good shooter, dribbler, or a great basketball IQ hurts his stock more than anything.
I think he should be dominating the NCAA at age 24, when his fully developed body is going up against 18-21 year olds who are still developing. He puts up good rebounding, and blocks on a per-minute basis. But I’m not that impressed because this is what he should be doing already because of his physical advantage.
I believe 100% that all the Ben Wallace comparisons come from his physical appearance. Wallace in his prime was a defensive beast. No one could push him off the block. He had great timing on his block attempts both on ball and as a weakside shotblocker. His IQ was off the charts. I’m hearing that Dorsey still needs to develop a higher basketball IQ, as well as maintaining intensity every posession.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Jun 23, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
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And also, not to be a pessimist...
but you conveniently left these two key parts of his profile out:
Weaknesses: Lacks much of an offensive game … His post skills and shooting touch remain very limited … Doesn’t have a consistent shot and scores mostly on garbage baskets … He’s older than the average senior by 2+ years … An absolutely abysmal free throw shooter at 46% which is actually an improvement from his first two seasons. Needs to further raise this to not be an end of game liability … Also needs to cut down on turnovers (1.7) ... Probably best suited to play center and lacks ideal center height …
Outlook : While his feel for the game and overall skill level is pretty poor for a senior and doesn’t seem to have a great deal of upside, he certainly has some intriguing attributes and can be an NBA contributor by doing the things he does well …
by HajiSpringer on
Jun 23, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
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Slap, punch, kick!
Check out the Joey Dorsey Movement post from 3 months ago.
I think you and I and maybe 3 other people on this site think Dorsey would be a “must-get” kind of player. Wait to get pounded by people on here for thinking outside the box. It’s a little tough for people to see past the hype of players in the #5-#14 draft spot. Don’t blame them, blame ESPN and all they other media outlets that talk about the same players over and over again.
If you are blasted the same draft picks over and over again, you tend to buy into the hype. It’s called marketing 101. Kind of like why people buy McDonalds instead of some ma and pop burger-they are force fed McDonalds on TV, Radio and the internet so they just go there. There is an old saying that people are scared of the unfamiliar. Dorsey hasn’t been mentioned once for the warriors, hence the shock by the members here. I can see where they are coming from, but come on. The warriors need a guy like Dorsey like Lindsay Lohan needs rehab.
by gabezgsw on
Jun 23, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
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Dorsey Bandwagoner.
;-P
Actually, I’m kind of half on board that wagon, or at least lagging behind it quietly so I can leap on at a time of my choosing. Dave Berri and his Win scores thinktank adore him (sorry for the repost):
Finally, Memphis’s Joey Dorsey just plain puts up amazing Win Scores. Looking at his history, you’ll understand why I sighed a big breath of relief as Dorsey fouled out of the National Title Game. Dorsey, not Derrick Rose, was the engine that drove the Memphis Tigers through the regular season, and both players stepped up for a fantastic tournament run. Rose may go 30 picks earlier, but Dorsey can well prove to be the better value given the cheap projected price of a 2nd rounder.
And Draftexpress, in their most recent ranking of the entire NCAA PF crop, rank him near the top in a bunch of categories:
2 in effective FG%#2 in FT per FGA
#5 in pure point rating
#3 in blocks/40, pace-adjusted
#3 in reb/40, pace adjusted
#1 in offensive reb/40, pace adjusted
#4 in winscore/ 40
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I dunno, the Oden comments don’t bug me too much. If anything, they show he has a little swagger, which he seems to display on court as well. And I wouldn’t put too much stock in one game in which he was outplayed by a guy 6 inches taller than he is. On balance, I think we could do a lot worse than trading down a bit and grabbing Joe-E-Door-See. He surely fits with the “GFIBTYW” (Go for it in Baron’s Two Year Window) plan of action. I’d probably rather have Dorsey than Randolph or Ajinca straight up.
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by Sleepy Freud on
Jun 23, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
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Still.
Mullin will never pick Dorsey (the only caveat being if he is available at #49. But I highly doubt that.)
TK just interviewed Mullin on his draft strategy. He said that he usually goes for the homerun pick, meaning he would choose the guy that has star potential than a key reserve. At the 14th overall selection (if we keep it), is a position where you have to pick up the best available player. Our major need is at PF and PG. By the mid-lottery, all the guys that could fill these positions have serious questions about them. If we keep the pick, we will pick up the best available player.
All the Dorsey bandwagoners fail to ever mention any kind of realistic scenario of attaining Dorsey. Are we drafting him with the 14th? Are we trading down?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Jun 23, 2008 5:01 PM PDT
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OK, I see your on some everyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed type shit
Of course the Warriors need rebounding. Anyone with half a brain can see that. In NO WAY does that make Joey Dorsey ’ a must get player’. You act like Joey Dorsey is some slept on underground rap artist. He was a starter for a FINAL FOUR team. He is a well known player. For me, he is FAR from unfamiliar.
Tell me what is so such much better about Joey Dorsey than a player like Richard Hendrix??? As for the age comment, you made me LOL with that one. When Joey was 22 (the normal age for a senior) he averaged 6 and 7. NBA teams don’t want to draft a player that is 1 or 2 years from their peak unless he was dominating college opponents. Joey did not do that.
by HajiSpringer on
Jun 23, 2008 3:23 PM PDT
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why do you get to say sh!t
and when i post w/ that word, i get a warning? wtf—wtS?
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on
Jun 23, 2008 5:00 PM PDT
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WARNING
Please do not post curse words with exclamation points in them. This is even more offensive than regular curse words. This is your second warning… =P
You are probably being oppressed.
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by olympicmike on
Jun 23, 2008 5:11 PM PDT
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Sh-t v. Stuff
George Carlin had it figured out:
Have you noticed that their stuff is sh-t and your sh-t is stuff? God! And you say, “Get that sh-t offa there and let me put my stuff down!”
Sigh. RIP, George.
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by Sleepy Freud on
Jun 24, 2008 5:43 AM PDT
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Why do you get to say shit?
You ever hear the saying “if you gotta ask you can’t afford it”? Similar thing applies. If you gotta ask you won’t understand the answer.
by Skeptic con Urquell on
Jun 24, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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As Louis Armstrong said...
“If you have to ask what jazz is, you’ll never know.”
Seems to apply to a lot of things…
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by Sleepy Freud on
Jun 24, 2008 11:34 AM PDT
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Richard Hendrix and JJ Hickson
are both better picks than Dorsey if you are looking for compact bangers.
If you want to go with similar skillset but bigger, then Devon Hardin would be better as well.
by misterjennings on
Jun 23, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
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Hardin looks the part. Apparently in workouts, everything looks good about Hardin. No one seems to think he’s lazy or doesn’t try, and it’s not a case of a guy with zero skills, but something about Hardin never clicks when he’s on the court. It didn’t at Cal and I suspect it won’t become easier against tougher competition. He just doesn’t seem to have whatever intangible force takes someone with the ability and size and makes them into a positive factor. I hope that this changes. I’ve got no reason to dislike the guy, but I just don’t see him as anything but bench/NBDL fodder.
by jae on
Jun 23, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
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For the record...
I would be fine with it if the Warriors drafted him in the 2nd round. In fact, I would be happy cause I like the guy and we need toughness and rebounding, but be real. It isn’t a guarantee this guy will even make an NBA roster, let alone make a significant impact right away.
by HajiSpringer on
Jun 23, 2008 3:26 PM PDT
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Bo Outlaw to Ben Wallace. Why in the hell would they even have a comparison between
those 2. That is just like saying Kosta Perovic can be either Shaq, or JB Carroll.
by theblackpearl on
Jun 23, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
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bo outlaw
had a couple real solid years in there. ben wallace played his role exceptionally well, but I’m not sure his best couple years were THAT much better than outlaw’s.
by sam23 on
Jun 23, 2008 5:54 PM PDT
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better comparisons
would be Lawrence Funderburke and Reggie Evans.
by misterjennings on
Jun 23, 2008 8:16 PM PDT
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agreed
I was thinking a poor man Reggie Evans (not a good thing).
by HajiSpringer on
Jun 23, 2008 8:52 PM PDT
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ben wallace played his role exceptionally well,
” but I’m not sure his best couple years were THAT much better than outlaw’s.”
What part of exceptionally well do you not understand? A BigBen in his prime would be a dream come true for our defense.
by Skeptic con Urquell on
Jun 23, 2008 10:28 PM PDT
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would a guy
with absolutely zero offensive game even get run in Nellie’s system?
by sam23 on
Jun 24, 2008 8:22 PM PDT
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The sure things at this point would be either...
...CDR or Brandon Rush. Those two don’t necessarily fill one of our needs, but I think they’re both more sure things than picking a sketchy, question mark big man. We did that the last few years by picking for need and drafting the big men Wright and O’Bryant. Those guys might have filled our need for help at the 4 or 5 but even though we’re still desperate for low post help, look how many minutes per game they’ve been averaging since we’ve drafted them.
I think players who can step in right away and help us as soon as they step onto the court are CDR and Rush. Both are proven winners, good scorers, and decent defenders. Rush can shoot, too, something the Warriors definitely need help in.
by TheDaydreamer on
Jun 23, 2008 3:51 PM PDT
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Don Nelson is not going to play someone who is a complete non factor on offense. This allows other teams center/big to be a rover and clog up lanes that would normally be for dribble penetration. Dorsey would have to develop a screen roll game and he has neither the footwork nor hands to do that.
Joey Dorsey would be a complete waste or a pick. You can find guys like him in the D-League.
by Nellieball on
Jun 23, 2008 4:54 PM PDT
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Impressive in Workouts
Not really a fan, but Dorsey has really impressed in some workouts. He might even end up a late first-rounder from what I’m hearing. Kudos to him, but I’d pass.
by pree on
Jun 23, 2008 5:49 PM PDT
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how did I know this post was gonna be about Dorsey?
I’d say he’s basically the opposite of a sleeper here now.
by sam23 on
Jun 23, 2008 5:54 PM PDT
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dorsey as a last resort
If we can’t get anyone better with our second round pick – I say yes. Maybe he can toughen up some of our down low guys during practices.
Warrior fan for life - where we are "always just a big man away" from total domination
by buttafingas on
Jun 23, 2008 5:56 PM PDT
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lasme
is known to do what Dorsey does (rebound and block shots) and he was cut.
Pretty sure he’s more mobile than Dorsey too.
by misterjennings on
Jun 23, 2008 8:19 PM PDT
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hell no
Dorsey is exactly who cannot succeed in the NBA- gets by on physical intimidation in college but lack of any real skills will show very quickly in the league. He didn’t show an ounce of offense besides some Derrick Rose alley-oops in any of the games I watched. And he’s short. Perfect example of how NCAA success does not necessarily translate at the next level.
by antihero on
Jun 23, 2008 9:02 PM PDT
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Dorsey isn’t even rated as a 1st round prospect anymore. As a 2nd rounder, if all the W’s expect him to do is clog up the lanes and grab some boards, what more can you ask for? We can’t find the next Monta or Gilbert every year.
by barrance on
Jun 24, 2008 6:40 AM PDT
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I wouldn't mind....
Joey D in the 2nd round. What the hell else are 2nd rounders for besides rolling the dice and seeing if you come up lucky? Worst case scenario, he’s a sleeper. Sleeping on the bench next to Marco.
by phiLthyphiL on
Jun 24, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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I think
Marreese Speights is the guy the warriors should draft. He has a nba body who can rebound and can score some points. He has a Emeka Okafer type body. He would be great off the bench and would bring a lot of energy. He has a mid range shot and can put a lot of put backs. He’s seems nba ready. He had a good coach and good program in florida. I know a couple of the guys here have been talking about him.
by B.J. Armstrong on
Jun 24, 2008 7:05 PM PDT
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Marreese Speights
For our 14 pick he looks pretty good, I’d take Love instead if we were higher up but Speights at 14 seems reasonable. Not sure if Nellie would utilize him though?
by Skeptic con Urquell on
Jun 24, 2008 9:38 PM PDT
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