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When JRich was traded, Mullin claimed the benefits of the TPE granted him the “flexibility” to both re-sign expected RFAs – AND – to add to the roster to become a competitive playoff team along the way. What boggles the mind is so many of us believed him as he continued to leave the possibility that we’d be adding a veteran for the 2007-08 stretch drive. Gang, we're closer to another 13 year dry run than to the playoffs.


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The most pathetic aspect to all this is the completely mistaken strategy Mullin has embarked upon while pulling the wool over our eyes. Even if you wanted to forgive his horrible drafts and contract negotiations and forgive him for drafting failures like Lasme and Marco, and accept his plan for trading JRich to have a shot at KG as laudable albeit a failure, you have to accept that the current moves still do not add up to his stated goal of making the playoffs. Not now, not soon.

We have one more year with Baron and Nelson. If we were going to try to win this year, as in make the playoffs and perhaps make a serious run at the WCF, then we’d be matching some vets with Baron who could get us there. Instead we are headed 180 degrees in the opposite direction, adding more and more young, physically immature players who will be taking a long time to develop. Meanwhile some other teams are trading for veterans who will help them compete. The JRich TPE is not only evaporating, it was a ruse all along.

Nelson is buying into the program because if he can’t have a ring, he’ll settle for the record for most wins as a coach. And the way coaches get run-out in this league lately, if he succeeds that record may last for quite some time - his legacy secure.

Baron brought excitement once matched with Nelson, JRich & the Indy boys – substituting Jackson and Harrington for Dunleavy & Murphy gave GS just enough speed to squeeze into the playoffs when the Clips folded. Sold a lot of tix for Mullin’s boss too. But JRich was jettisoned for Beanpole, we drafted Marco & Lasme, then Beanpole 2.0 this year. Baron will leave either as part of a trade for prospects or as a FA. Anyone who thinks Mullin is re-signing Baron is missing all the signs. We’re stockpiling prospects. No matter how much BWright or AR impress you with their potential, they are not ready to win now. Lasme is gone, and Marco (Mullin's boy) should have one foot out the door but KAz may be gone and Marco may have to play. Nelson knows that, and he more than Mullin wants to win as many games as possible - he's not fooled and is not here to develop the babies, he's going to squeeze every win out of the regular season possible. AR isn't going to get any more burn than Wright did if he's too weak to play in the association.

Nelson will eventually leave, either before or after the conclusion of the 2009 season - perhaps depending on how close he is to his magic number. We have to wonder why Mullin does NOT deal Baron? We aren’t trying to compete now so why don’t we go whole hog into rebuilding? Because of Nelson, and because no one is going to take Jackson off our hands. Want to see Jackson without Nelson and Baron around to keep him in some semblance of control on the floor? That could be very ugly. So we continue the ruse, at least until next year's trade deadline (Baron) or when we "just miss" next year's playoffs (Nelson).

And we will have lots of prospects, and a new streak of not making the playoffs. Pardon me for being grouchy, and bitter. But Mullin’s act is growing O L D.

Or has everyone else forgotten we are STILL paying Foyle?

Hey Mulln, Let’s be honest, screw the playoffs – deal Baron for the best deal possible and lets try to get back to the playoffs before 2018 – we’d still be ahead of the GS curve. But that wouldn't help Nelson, or sell tickets now would it?

 

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Agreed....

There were plenty of moves to be made this offseason. The W’s have all the flexibility in the world to make this happen. I don’t believe for a second that the pieces we have couldn’t have landed us a veteran big man. I mean the lakers were able to fleece Pau Gasol for essentially Kwame Brown. Instead of obtaining that one impact player that would vault us into the Western Conference elite, we’re once again stockpiling potential. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you haven’t noticed, potential is rarely fully realized.

by ThermoElectro on Jun 27, 2008 10:42 PM PDT   0 recs

We're no contender yet, but we don't suck either

I actually like where we are right now. Once we get our Free Agents signed, we’ll be in store for another good season (another 48 wins is well within this clubs capabilities). Monta, beans, wright and Marco will all get better. We shouldn’t have missed the playoffs this year, but we did, but I have reasons to be optimistic for next season.

As for the future, we’ll have plenty of cap space for the 2010 free agency period to make a run at some very good players.

All in all, Mullin is doing fine, and a lot better than when he first started out.

Also on a side note, I would not be happy with waiting until 2018 to make the playoffs again.

by q00pster on Jun 27, 2008 11:02 PM PDT   0 recs

You ...

have a plethora of good points but I don’t think you can put the majority of the blame on Mulson although it could well be justified. I believe if money was no object and Mulson was able to do as they please with the roster then we would have made the playoffs last year by utilizing the TPE and acquiring some much needed veteran help.

But with the nature of the drafts from previous years and the ridiculous contracts handed out, we were in the position we were in without much flexibility. Consider Thermo’s point of the Lakers catching the Grizzlies with their pants down and stealing Pau Gasol away. We had no one on our roster who could offer the Grizzlies immediate financial flexibility in the way that Kwame Brown did. Al had 2+ years on his contract and Foyle had 2 or 3 years as well if I’m not mistaken. The best we could’ve done, IMO was:

Al Harrington, Marco Belinelli, Brandan Wright, Mikael Pietrus, Patrick O’Bryant for Gasol and Cardinal’s horrendous contract. Could it have been done? Yes, probably, but maybe it was the extra year on Al’s contract that didn’t make a deal plausible. Maybe Mulson didn’t feel like sacrificing a good chunk of the team for soft as tissue paper Pau. Maybe Mulson tried to get in on the Pau sweepstakes. We don’t know for sure.

Mullin has sure has some draft busts and missed dearly drafting for need rather than BPA. I’ve always been a big supporter of BPA regardless of where you pick. Picking for need has always been a Warriors curse if you will.

Well-documented blunders:
2005: Ike Diogu (9th) over Andrew Bynum (10th) or Danny Granger (17th)
With the drafting of Biedrins, the year before, Mully looked to secure a PF which was a need and at the time, Diogu was the best PF on the board.

2006: POB
Rudy Gay having gone one pick earlier. Brandon Roy and Randy Foye just a few picks earlier. I forget the exact financial state of the Warriors but once again they drafted for need and reached on a kid who outplayed most other centers he faced in March. I was extremely upset that they didn't do much to try to get Gay or the other high-ceiling guys in Roy and Foye.
The drafting and buyout of Kosta Perovic. I don't know where to begin with it. Just a bad all-around move for Mully and it'll be capped off with Perovic leaving back to Europe.

2007
I was initially against the J-Rich trade but was anxious to see what we would do with the TPE and as you stated, we did absolutely nothing. We could’ve packaged it to get someone to help with the playoff push. Ron Artest could have possibly been attained with the TPE, Brandan Wright, and a draft pick. Help was there for the picking and we idly sat by and stayed pat with our roster which led me to believe that the TPE was just going to expire and was going to be solely used to help in the extensions of Tay and Dre.

With Foyle’s contract still on the books for this season, we’re at about $44million in salary if my calculations are correct. After possible extensions dealing $10mm annually to Monta and $9mm to Andris, we’re already above the cap and only a MLE away from hitting luxury tax. So this is where it all comes into play. If Cohan is adamant on staying below the luxury tax threshold and that’s Mullins only limitation on shaping the roster, it is ONE BIG LIMITATION.

Any player we would’ve acquired last season utilizing the TPE would alone shift us above luxury tax level after extending Tay and Dre. Not to mention we’d still have 6-7 more players to ink to contracts for this season. It is this reason and this reason only that has limited the “flexibility” that Mullin proclaimed he’d have with acquiring the TPE.

Mully started out rough. Dishing out huge contract extensions to Dunmurphy and Foyle. Signing Fisher to a ridiculous contract, etc. His initial drafts were wasteful (outside of Monta) But he’s been doing a better job and I believe he’ll continue to do a better job once Foyle’s contract is off the books, we dish out extensions to Monta and Andris, and we decide the fate of Baron.

We’re still competitive having won the 2nd most games without having to make the playoffs and if it were a different format, then the majority of us would be content with what went down last season. We’ve stockpiled talent (Wright and Randolph, you can agree Belinelli was quite a reach) and we still have our veteran leadership on board via Baron and Jack (for how long), no one knows. We’d all want to go deep into the postseason. We all want to progress past just making the playoffs, getting past the first round. Possibly getting an NBA championship ring. But maybe there are just higher forces (Cohan) who are limiting Mulson’s ability to mend his mistakes.

We’re certainly at a crossroads and beginning Monday, we’ll know exactly where this team is headed. Whether Baron opts out or not, whether the TPE is used or not and by Tuesday, the start of free agency, it’ll really start to get interesting.

We have the veteran leadership. We have the young young talent. We have the leader in Baron Davis (for now) who could lead us deep into the playoffs if we develop the young talent or utilize them in some trade packages to acquire some skilled veterans a-la Boston. After all, it was Mully who dealt for Baron, so cut him a little bit of slack. There’s still work that can be done. But it all doesn’t mean shi* if Cohan’s the one pulling his strings.

by phiLthyphiL on Jun 27, 2008 11:14 PM PDT   0 recs

hm

You make it sound like some diabolical plot that Nelly wants to win as many games as possible in the regular season to reach his all-time wins number.

Wait… shouldn’t that be every teams’ goal in the regular season? Win as many games as possible and get a nice seed in the playoffs?

by YaHeard on Jun 27, 2008 11:14 PM PDT   0 recs

diabolical

the point I didn’t make clearly enough is that if we are trying to win the max number of reg season games that goal runs counter to developing young talent for the future. Nelson is coaching toward the former, while Mullin is moving toward the latter. It’s not diabolical, it’s a mistaken strategy to build a roster which requires a coach who will teach and develop young talent while the coach is motivated by a ticking clock and trying to squeeze every last win out of a franchise before sailing off to a Maui sunset …

by hardcore on Jun 28, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Scratch that last comment...formatting issues

have a plethora of good points but I don’t think you can put the majority of the blame on Mulson although it could well be justified. I believe if money was no object and Mulson was able to do as they please with the roster then we would have made the playoffs last year by utilizing the TPE and acquiring some much needed veteran help.

But with the nature of the drafts from previous years and the ridiculous contracts handed out, we were in the position we were in without much flexibility. Consider Thermo’s point of the Lakers catching the Grizzlies with their pants down and stealing Pau Gasol away. We had no one on our roster who could offer the Grizzlies immediate financial flexibility in the way that Kwame Brown did. Al had 2+ years on his contract and Foyle had 2 or 3 years as well if I’m not mistaken. The best we could’ve done, IMO was:

Al Harrington, Marco Belinelli, Brandan Wright, Mikael Pietrus, Patrick O’Bryant for Gasol and Cardinal’s horrendous contract. Could it have been done? Yes, probably, but maybe it was the extra year on Al’s contract that didn’t make a deal plausible. Maybe Mulson didn’t feel like sacrificing a good chunk of the team for soft as tissue paper Pau. Maybe Mulson tried to get in on the Pau sweepstakes. We don’t know for sure.

Mullin has sure has some draft busts and missed dearly drafting for need rather than BPA. I’ve always been a big supporter of BPA regardless of where you pick. Picking for need has always been a Warriors curse if you will.

Well-documented blunders:

2005: Ike Diogu (9th) over Andrew Bynum (10th) or Danny Granger (17th)
With the drafting of Biedrins, the year before, Mully looked to secure a PF which was a need and at the time, Diogu was the best PF on the board.

2006: POB
Rudy Gay having gone one pick earlier. Brandon Roy and Randy Foye just a few picks earlier. I forget the exact financial state of the Warriors but once again they drafted for need and reached on a kid who outplayed most other centers he faced in March. I was extremely upset that they didn’t do much to try to get Gay or the other high-ceiling guys in Roy and Foye.

The drafting and buyout of Kosta Perovic. I don’t know where to begin with it. Just a bad all-around move for Mully and it’ll be capped off with Perovic leaving back to Europe.

2007
I was initially against the J-Rich trade but was anxious to see what we would do with the TPE and as you stated, we did absolutely nothing. We could’ve packaged it to get someone to help with the playoff push. Ron Artest could have possibly been attained with the TPE, Brandan Wright, and a draft pick. Help was there for the picking and we idly sat by and stayed pat with our roster which led me to believe that the TPE was just going to expire and was going to be solely used to help in the extensions of Tay and Dre.

With Foyle’s contract still on the books for this season, we’re at about $44million in salary if my calculations are correct. After possible extensions dealing $10mm annually to Monta and $9mm to Andris, we’re already above the cap and only a MLE away from hitting luxury tax. So this is where it all comes into play. If Cohan is adamant on staying below the luxury tax threshold and that’s Mullins only limitation on shaping the roster, it is ONE BIG LIMITATION.

Any player we would’ve acquired last season utilizing the TPE would alone shift us above luxury tax level after extending Tay and Dre. Not to mention we’d still have 6-7 more players to ink to contracts for this season. It is this reason and this reason only that has limited the “flexibility” that Mullin proclaimed he’d have with acquiring the TPE.

Mully started out rough. Dishing out huge contract extensions to Dunmurphy and Foyle. Signing Fisher to a ridiculous contract, etc. His initial drafts were wasteful (outside of Monta) But he’s been doing a better job and I believe he’ll continue to do a better job once Foyle’s contract is off the books, we dish out extensions to Monta and Andris, and we decide the fate of Baron.

We’re still competitive having won the 2nd most games without having to make the playoffs and if it were a different format, then the majority of us would be content with what went down last season. We’ve stockpiled talent (Wright and Randolph, you can agree Belinelli was quite a reach) and we still have our veteran leadership on board via Baron and Jack (for how long), no one knows. We’d all want to go deep into the postseason. We all want to progress past just making the playoffs, getting past the first round. Possibly getting an NBA championship ring. But maybe there are just higher forces (Cohan) who are limiting Mulson’s ability to mend his mistakes.

We’re certainly at a crossroads and beginning Monday, we’ll know exactly where this team is headed. Whether Baron opts out or not, whether the TPE is used or not and by Tuesday, the start of free agency, it’ll really start to get interesting.

We have the veteran leadership. We have the young young talent. We have the leader in Baron Davis (for now) who could lead us deep into the playoffs if we develop the young talent or utilize them in some trade packages to acquire some skilled veterans a-la Boston. After all, it was Mully who dealt for Baron, so cut him a little bit of slack. There’s still work that can be done. But it all doesn’t mean shi* if Cohan’s the one pulling his strings.

by phiLthyphiL on Jun 27, 2008 11:15 PM PDT   0 recs

blame

while there is certainly enough blame to go around, including Cohan and Nelson, there can be no question it is Mullin is responsible for the state of the roster and the cap problems as evidenced by your own comments. Mullin is very capable of taking advantage of the Charlottes, Indianas, and Memphis when the opportunity strikes – I’m not blaming him for not getting Gasol. I’m also not praising him for landing Baron – that was a near gift and it wasn’t working until Nelson came on board (recall how swimmingly Baron and Montgomery were operating?!). I’d agree he started out rough (to put it nicely, other GMs would’ve been fired and until Nelson returned that was what I thought was going to happen), where we seem to disagree is that Mullin hasn’t pursued a coherent strategy. You point out his draft acumen, his crafty negotiating of contracts, and our poor luck to have a very good year and still miss the playoffs. To that I add his lack of vision. Three out of four of those are on Mullin.

by hardcore on Jun 28, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess depending on what

happens on Monday and throughout free agency will determine whether or not the Dubbs are on the right track.

I agree completely that dishing out an extension to Baron while attempting to wait for 18 year olds to develop is the wrong strategy and rather a mix of two different philosophies.

As evidenced with this past year with Boston/Minnesota, those are the two teams that represent the different extremes of the spectrum.

Boston built the big 3 and put the supporting cast around them capable of pushing them to a title contender.

On the other hand, Minnesota can bulid around Foye, Brewer, Jefferson, and now Love (although for the life of me, I’m not sure why McHale did it. Neither Jefferson or Love are true centers at the NBA level and Mayo made a whole hell of a lot more sense, however I digress.)

GSW is somewhere smack right in between.

I just don’t want Mully to utilize the TPE just for the sake of using it, while packaging our young talent to try and compete if the end result doesn’t result in a top seed in the west and a realistic chance of making the NBA finals.

by phiLthyphiL on Jun 28, 2008 1:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed - smack in the middle of the fork in the road

just wish Mullin would pick one direction or the other – waiting another year while Baron and Nelson play out their destinies isn’t going to get us closer to either playoffs or developing our youth ..

just wondering if the fact that they drafted a near-duplicate of Wright might indicate he’d been setting himself up to include Wright or AR in a trade that would utilize the TPE, whether or not that comes to pass …

by hardcore on Jun 28, 2008 4:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Keep BD till the

Why dwell in the past about moves that Mullin did not make? Gary St Jean was way freaking worse! Also, this is BD’s contract year and he will want to put up big numbers if he intends to get that max contract that he seeks. The only trade that I would do right now would be the speculated trade with Detroit. The reason being you don’t really lose any leadership because Billups is a proven leader at the pg position and has a championship under his belt. I say for now keep BD and let him put up crazy numbers and if we are not in contention for a playoff seed before the trade line next year then trade him for young talent along with a player with leadership abilities.

by Manute Nol on Jun 27, 2008 11:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Too soon to say all this....

First off, lots of good points raised about why we should be concerned – but also, too many comclusions drawn without the evidence.
1. As far as I know, the jury is still out on Marco – let’s not write him off just yet.
2 The same is true for Wright – who I think will be an upgrade, as the year goes on, over Harrington. If we keep Al, our PF position just got much better (potential and shot blocking in Randolph and Wright, toughness in Hendrix, and versatility in Al)
3. The TPE deadline hasn’t passed – we all hope they use it but if not I think trades are still in the works for a veteran swing man.
4. Baron may be anxious now but if the season goes well and they make the playoffs I imagine he’d stay on the team, signing pretty cheaply – the league has too many good young PGs out there for him to make big $ elsewhere after another year under his belt. Plus, if the team does struggle and Baron becomes a cancer – why can’t the team trade him during the season, ala Troy and Dun?
5. This team won 48 games last year and are still in tact (for the moment) and I for one think Monta is going to have an all star like year and Biedrin, marco, and Wright are going to get better.

Your points are good but pessimistic. We have as good a chance to make the playoffs as most teams in the west.

Warrior fan for life - where we are "always just a big man away" from total domination

by buttafingas on Jun 27, 2008 11:52 PM PDT   0 recs

i am pessimistic about

Mullin, and you’re right, I’m not a stat-meister when it comes to evidence – but Mullin’s moves stand out pretty clearly

specifically,

Re #1 & #2 – ok, patience might pay off – remember though that Kaz beat out Marco for backup minutes at the guard spots, and Barnes beat out Wright for minutes at the PF. Not an encouraging situation, and begs for a GM to make a move to draft or trade for NBA talent. I would have been interested to see what Mullin would have done had Rush and AR both been available at #14.

Re #3 rankles because Mullin made such a big deal about that and it’s going un-utilized – I suppose I’ll wait until Tuesday to begin the fire Mullin tirade. If we were trying to win last season or next, the TPE would not go un-utilized for a whole year imo

Re #4 we part ways more widely – Baron is not signing cheaply and particularly for a non-championship caliber team. If he becomes a cancer who would want him? what would we get in return? we’d be better off with the cap space.

Re #5 we’re not intact – even assuming Monta and AB are re-signed, I wouldn’t expect that they’d play at a much higher level than they did last year. Currently we lack depth at every position. CJ is penciled in to back up Baron, Marco behind Monta & Jackson while KAz is likely gone. Barnes & Pietrus = FA, Croshere too, I’d doubt any of them return. POB & maybe Kosta will be replaced by this year’s draft picks. Maybe this year’s picks will play more than Wright and Lasme did last year, they couldn’t play much less.

you’re right, I am pessimistic – we have a slew of teams we’ll have to battle for one of the last two playoff spots including Portland, LAC, and in the post-Mayo/Love trade maybe even Minn. plus the lower tier playoff teams from last season like Denver etc. I don’t think we have as good a chance as most teams – we’re skirting with making the playoffs, keeping Baron to sell tix, and Nelson to win reg season games rather than develop our younger players for the long run. I do see the potential of Monta, AB, and even AR – I just wish Nelson and Mullin would get on the same page and follow a coherent vision rather than straddling two sides of the river.

by hardcore on Jun 28, 2008 11:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

your last point is key

We need mullin and nelson on the same page – its weird because they talk to the media as if they are a team – as if they have the same vision in mind. But then once the games start we see little to know Marco or Wright – not what I imagined Mullin had in mind.
So far, Nelson is again taking the company line approach saying he will play youngsters and likes the picks – but we will see what happens when the games start. If he plays the same guys as last year too many minutes and says it is the only way we can win – then I think him retiring for Maui may not be such a bad thing.
Response to re’s…
1 &2: I say give it until the all star break to judge Wright and Marco. Last year Wright played well at the end of the season (remember his at the apex block on Durant?) and Marco semed like his confidence was low and that he knew Nellie would take him out at any second – he also made some memorable plays and seemed much smoother moving without the ball and playing a team game than alot of our guys.
3: If Mullin doesn’t use the TPE I’m not sure I’d want to fire Mullin yet – but I’ll be pissed along with you. Though it may be more Cohan’s call than Mullin – so keep that in mind.
4: After another year – Baron may not have as much choice as he might like pietrus is all I’m saying. If we get a solid back up PG or Monta or Marco really shine in the role then he may relish playing 30 minutes a game which would extend his carreer.
5. umm, the squad is still in tact and we will sign AB and Monta. Depth may be weak but we won 48 with this squad and thin bench. As Bill Walsh says, you are as good as your record. We may lose barnes or pietrus or croshere, but what they brought last year was minimal and those minutes may be better served by the youth movement. I trust that of the five starters – the guys that got us 48 wins – all will remain and if we lose Al it will be for something that suits us better.

Keep hope alive!

Warrior fan for life - where we are "always just a big man away" from total domination

by buttafingas on Jun 28, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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