IDEA: Kwame Brown- a Warrior
by GSBoi86 on Jun 3, 2008 9:14 PM PDT
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I understand this idea may sound just a little nuts when first mentioned. I mean really, who wants to pick up a #1 draft bust who's career averages are 7.5ppg, 5.7rpg, and 1.1apg? I say if they're smart, the Warriors should.
Kwame is a big man that you'll probably be able to pick up fairly cheap soon. He's 6'11, and knowing Don Nelson, if he became a Warrior, he'd probably be weighing around a lean 255 (rather than 270, his current weight) by the time he stepped on the court in a blue and gold jersey. What's really major about acquiring Kwame is that he's only 26 and still hasn't reached anywhere near his full potential, and with the right team, I think he has a chance to excel in this league. If Nelson were to play Brown at the 4 rather than the 5 like the other teams he's been on, keep Andris Biedrins as the starting center, and in the draft the Warriors were to obtain a young, athletic backup center and another point guard, I feel they really do become one of the best teams in the league. If he does anywhere near what he's capable of for Golden State, they may even rival the Lakers of next season (Odom at the three spot, Gasol at the four, Bynum at center).
Starters: PG: Baron Davis, SG: Monta Ellis, SF: Stephen Jackson, PF: Kwame Brown, C: Andris Biedrins
Bench: Al Harrington, Austin Croshere, Brandan Wright, C.J. Watson, Kelenna Azubuike, Kosta Perovic, Marco Belinelli, Matt Barnes, Mickael Pietrus, Patrick O'Bryant (Though two or three will more than likely be gone by next season)
Let me know what you think!
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they may even rival the Lakers of next season (Odom at the three spot, Gasol at the four, Bynum at center).
Jax, Kwame, Dris? = Odom, Gasol, Bynum ? Not in your dreams!! Kobe versus Monta? Ha! The only position we are better than the lakers is point where Baron could kick Fishers ass!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 3, 2008 9:28 PM PDT reply actions
My point exactly
That’s what I’m saying, though! If Baron does what he has to against Fisher, we put Andris on Gasol since he’s more athletic, and Kwame on Bynum to bang inside for boards. I’m not saying we dominate, I’m saying we might not get murdered, which we probably will next year against this team without a more
traditionally dominant big man.
So....
You’re playing him at the 4 because it hasn’t worked so well at the 5. Then you have him guard a 5? Does not compute.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 4, 2008 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Only if really desperate
I did suggest this before, but I take it back now that I know what kind of players Don Nelson looks for. He loves fluid, smooth, and coordinated players, almost like power ballet dancers. Kwame is not any of these and he would most likely get less playing time than POB. Wright and Belinelli are two steps better than Kwame and they barely played. If Biedrins starts at C, then Nelson wants the PF to be a spot-up shooter to fill in if one of their Little Three is having an off night. That’s why Harrington is so coveted.
FA
veteran 6’11” FA, KBrown will have suitors aplenty
I similarly don’t see Kwame playing alongside Andris Biedrins nor for Nelson
re your bench: Austin Croshere FA, Brandan Wright, C.J. Watson FA, Kelenna Azubuike FA Kosta Perovic stiiiiif , Marco Belinelli who?, Matt Barnes FA, Mickael Pietrus FA Patrick O’Bryant GONE
I think not very likely
i'll pass on Kwame
he doesn’t block shots nor does he get many rebounds!!! that’s what the Ws need to be tougher defensively. He’s just another big body that doesn’t make much impact!!
I've heard by many
that he’s a pretty good positional defender. Just because he doesn’t get absurd block numbers doesn’t mean he isn’t any good defensively. Just ask Rasheed Wallace or Kevin Garnett.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
put
hgh on his hands so they can grow. than maybe ill give him a chance
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jun 3, 2008 10:06 PM PDT reply actions
Kwame on the Warriors? Not a chance
I would probably have to relinquish my lifetime commitment to the Warriors.
Bay Area Warriors fan currently at UCLA.
No on Brown
I don’t like the idea of a major bust coming to the dubz to take pt from a guy who may turn out to be the next chris bosh.
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
As an outsider
Do you really want to trade for a player who will take minutes away from Brandon Wright? I’d argue that Wright has shown a lot more potential than Kwame ever has, and Wright can also run (and thus, play in Nelly-ball). Kwame is young at 26, but at 26 you can pretty much know what a player is.
Kwame isn’t awful and no one would make fun of him if he was drafted 15th overall, but getting drafted #1 was maybe the worst thing to ever happen to him. He’s just a journeyman big man, even if he LOOKS like he should be more. Maybe it’s his mentality, maybe it’s his small hands (Kwame is African for ‘small hands’ after all), maybe his confidence was just completely ruined by Jordan and Doug Collins. Maybe he just isn’t very good and Jordan isn’t a good GM—he’s drafted Kwame at #1 and then Adam Morrison at #3, so I think there is evidence that Jordan might not be the best judge of talent.
So I’d say, don’t judge Kwame as a #1 pick, but as a big man with no offensive game and not much explosiveness in his game. A big body, 6 fouls, a back up.
Unless you don’t think Wright has a future as a Warrior, the Dubs shouldn’t trade for a guy who would just eat up his minutes and won’t be as good of a player as Wright in the future.
You are correct that Kwame would be cheap. As a backup he’d be fine, but I don’t see him ever getting off the bench for Don Nelson.
Mortimer
Taking minutes from Wright?
Look if he manages to take minutes from Wright, then there’s something seriously wrong with our “young stud”. If we’re worried about Brandan Wright not being able to earn minutes over Kwame, then we better trade Wright real quick before another team realizes this.
I’d pick him up as a backup big man at the right price.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 5, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was phrasing that
From the point of view of the poster, who imagined Kwame starting over Wright. I was just saying that you wouldn’t want ANYONE taking minutes from the development of Wright if you believe he’ll be a good player. I think he’ll be pretty good, provided he gets bigger and works hard. As a Blazer fan, I do not know those things about Wright but I liked what I saw.
He’s more coordinated than I thought, with a nicer touch than I expected. I’d figure you guys would be higher on him.
Mortimer
ahhhh, I see your point. apologies for taking your comments out of context.
I do like Wright, I don’t think he’s going to be an All-Star but he’ll be a good starter. He’s talented but limited right now. If he doesn’t put on some weight, it’ll be tough for him to play significant minutes.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 5, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No worries, I wasn't very clear
Yeah, its hard to believe how SKINNY Wright is. If he has a good work ethic and hits the weights (and if the Warriors have a good training and fitness crew), then I think he’ll be pretty good, or at least a decent starter in the NBA. He’s got the length, he’s got good athleticism, has a soft touch (touch is very underrated for big men), I was surprised to like what I saw last season.
I know the knock against him coming into the draft was his drive and work ethic, and since he has a ways to go before he can be consistently GOOD, I worry about those knocks being true. I honestly don’t know, but I hope not. He’s got the tools to become a good PF, but his body needs a lot of work.
I wonder if Nelson is the right sort of coach to bring him along, though Wright seems like he could be a running big man, ala my Blazers’ LaMarcus Aldridge. Wright needs to learn more traditional post player skills, and combine it with the running and quickness Nelson favors.
But as we can see, big men don’t usually get much playing time for Don Nelson (for better or worse) and even if Wright played for someone else, he’d still be too damn skinny. If he comes into camp in October and has gained 10-15 LBS of muscle, then I think it bodes well for his future. If he just looks a lil’ more filled out, he’ll still struggle…
Plus he needs to tape back the ears, it slows him down when running upcourt. And whenever he jumps, it takes FOREVER for him to land because his ears just catch the wind and he slowly gliiiiides back down.
Mortimer
it takes FOREVER for him to land
That’s called hang time, it’s good!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 5, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Doo Doo Brown
I don’t even think the local Oakland YMCA leagues would even have Kwame on their team he is so bad. I’d take a washed up Darryl “Chocolate Thunder” Dawkins rather than Kwame right now.
thats doo doo baby!
I’d take him as a backup for no more than a couple mil a year. otherwise-do not want.
lol
i don’t like the idea of signing garbage players
Sadly it's true...
he was born with stumps. Hand shaped stumps.
by passionately objective on Jun 5, 2008 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Terrible just terrible
please stop…....i dont want Kwame’s weak ass game anywhere near Oakland…..i think we can do better cause i dont think it gets any worse than a washed up #1
by Sprewell4President on Jun 5, 2008 1:29 AM PDT reply actions
the thing about doo doo...
is he looks like he has all the attributes for the making of a awesome player. problem is that he plays with little enthusiasm, easily gets lost in the half court set, and has no low post moves. hmmm.. he’s perfect for the warriros.
he’s perfect for the warriros
if he moves well without the ball he’s in!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 5, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Todd Fuller > Kwame
Forget the little enthusiasm part, the guy lacks a brain.
by misterjennings on Jun 5, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is this a bad idea?
Depending on how much money we give him, he’d step in and be our best low post defender by far. Nobody would ever confuse Wright, Harrington, or Biedrins as good defenders. prior to Bynum’s emergence, Kwame was their best low post defender. In LA he upped his shooting percentage to get above 50%. He’s certainly got flaws, but at the right price, I don’t see the harm in grabbing the best low post defender the Warriors would have. In spot minutes, he could change up the flow of the game.
From Hollinger’s player profile:
At least in his limited role as L.A.’s top post defender and occasional basket finisher, Brown has shown himself to be competent. The delusions of stardom are long gone, but he’s only 25 and still has a long career ahead of him if he can keep doing the dirty work under the basket.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 5, 2008 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ok maybe the “by far” comment was a little overboard, but he would be our best low post defender.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 5, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I was thinking about Kwame during the season too.
Read somewhere that he could still carve out a nice career as a Dale Davis type player. Which is still valuable to some teams.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
are you kidding me?
“In LA he upped his shooting percentage to get above 50%” he only attempted about 5 per game. talk about twisting the stats to make a point. and best defender? so was foyle, at least foyle had a few post moves. kwame’s a bigtime bust. drafted out of highschool, been in the league for what.. 7 or 8 yrs, and never contributed much to any team. it would be a huge turn-around and a super talented hypnotist to get anything more than 5 min of usefulness out of the guy. if we needed a player’s 6 fouls to use on yao, duncan, or boozer, any of our present bigmen will do. but kwame? no thanks!
How many shots ya want him to take?
He’s a big bodied 7 footer with decent athleticism and not much offensive skill. He can still rebound, block, and be big. That means he can have a long career as a journeyman center and be good at that.
Sure, he is a huge disappointment as the #1 pick. That is obvious. If you pretend he was drafted in the 2nd round and just look at him for what he can do, Kwame can contribute. Judge him by what he is, and not what he was supposed to be… because someone made a big mistake a long time ago.
I’m not saying Kwame is great, but he’s fine as a backup, for sure.
Mortimer
twisting percentages?
Okay he shot 50% on 5 shots per game. That’s still an improvement. It shows he either improved his jumper or is taking higher percentage shots. I’d say he’s taking higher percentage shots.
I’ll take 5ppg, 5rpg, and solid defense from my backup center. He’s mobile and strong, defends the pick and roll well, and can put a big body on some of these big men who just kill us. He has bad hands and isn’t very smart offensively, that’s why he’ll never live up to his #1 pick status. But he’s a backup center. We have enough offense on the team, throwing him in there to give Beans or Wright a breather is a decent option.
And foyle was not our best low post defender, far from it. He blocked shots, but that didn’t make him a good defender. Not sure what you were watching, but Foyle was all about the blocks, not defense.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 5, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh-oh
here comes the Kwame movement ;)
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
wow
“id be happier with joey dorsey.” -sam23
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
I know
I’ve been a little too hard on Dorsey. He’s a quality scrapper and I guess you shouldnt really hate on someone who plays all out every night. I think he could help with the rebounding situation. Dont get carried away though, I’m only saying I’d be OK with getting him in the 2nd round. He COULD be a decent role player in the NBA. Nothing more.
if dorsey is the bowel movement,
then Kwame would be the diarrhea movement
by misterjennings on Jun 5, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
???
so in your opinion, who was our best low post defender if not foyle? were you watching?? do you remember the line-up when foyle was still around? you would probably have to go back to when damp was still a dub to support your argument. I don’t understand the need to talk about trading for a type of guy that is easily picked up from any where; d-league, super low draft pick, the local gym, downtown oakland, etc. sure, I can see why you could be fooled by his appearance. 6’11” around 265lbs. but don’t make the same mistake the grizzles made. he really isn’t worth consideration. and no, I don’t want him to take more than 5 shots per game if he was on the dubs.. no team would!!
here’s a quote from grizzle’s gm:
Memphis General Manager Chris Wallace, who explained his reasoning for making the Pau Gasol deal by stating, "Brown was the largest expiring contact we could find."
so you want him, go and get him. his salary last year was $9mil. I’m sure he’s worth it as a third string center.
Well... if he plays for $1M he can take PoB's minutes...
Seriously, the guy is a legitimate NBA player. He’s not the greatest and doesn’t deserve to be a starter or earn starter’s money, but he could be useful for 10-15 minutes a game when we needed some extra beef up front (Read: When we play the Lakers with Bynum back). If he could be had on the cheap, he’d be worth it.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 6, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
unrealistic
he was paid upwards to $9mil last year and the yrs before that. he won’t accept such a huge pay cut. but if you’re talking about a kwame-type player that we can get for $1mil, I’m all for it.
paycut
I don’t think it’s his choice to accept a large paycut. The money just won’t be out there for him. He’ll be paid more than $1 mil but his salary this year won’t even be half of that. I’d pay him Matt Barnes money.
Or sign him for $9 mil and trade him to the Grizzlies again for Rudy Gay and Mike Miller. It worked for the Lakers right?
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 6, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
wait
Matt Barnes money might be too much (it was about $3 mil too much for Barnes). I figure anywhere from $2-3mil would be about right.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 6, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Or sign him for $9 mil and trade him to the Grizzlies again for Rudy Gay and Mike Miller. It worked for the Lakers right?
Hummm… I think you might be on to something!!!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 6, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
1) We wouldn’t have to trade for him. Expiring contract.
2) We wouldn’t have to sign him for $9 million. Who in their right mind would pay him anything more than 3mil?
3) Can you please list some players who would be a better backup center?
Best low post defender of the warriors in the last few years – Foyle and Damp were on the same team for 5-6 years. I’ll take Damp. After Damp got traded, you’re right, he was our best low post defender (04-05 and 05-06 seasons) After that it’s been Biedrins. So, you’re right, he was our best low post defender for a couple years.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 6, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
1) my mistake...
I know he’s an ufa… just a slip of the tongue or fingers in this case.
2) sure we can sign him for anything, but with his past salary as an indicator of what he expects to be paid, he’s not likely to take a huge pay cut. some dummy gm will pay him enough to keep him satisfied. and like I said, if we can get a kwame-type player for $1mil, I’m all for it.
3) off the top of my head, theo rattliff. I believe he was getting league minimum last season.
rattliff...
plus he looked pretty good in the playoffs for an old-timer…
how about diop? probably better defender than kwame. he’ll want a pay raise on his current 2.4mil contract and probably want a starting position.
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 6, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
NO WAY
no offense to whoever wrote this, but this is a terrible idea. Kwame has shown nothing in his career and is being paid a lot. Also, what about Kwame playing the 4 works in Nellies offense? Kwame is a bust, he has never produced on any team, even the Zen master couldn’t get any production from him. Also, anyone checking the possibilities we can get at the #14 pick (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19136)? There is immense more potential with that pick than Kwame could even imagine.
What is worse, the Warriors are apparently strongly persuing to get Yi from the Bucks for the #14 pick and B Wright. This would once again be a low point in Warrior trade history. After a couple years of solid trades and smart moves, this would be a huge step back. Forget Kwame, and forget Yi, lets develop young talent and a low post scorer.
Think of it this way
I think Wright will be a better player than Yi (Yi had a better rookie year, but I don’t believe he’s really 19, and therefore for a 23 year old he wasn’t that good), but think of it this way: The Warriors have struggled with money and making sure they pay all of their young stars once they come to fruition. With Yi, the Warriors could probably make more money from China then they do from all of their local fans.
That might be one of the bigger reasons for the Warriors to get Yi.
Who knows, maybe he turns out better than Wright. Maybe he really is 19. I just doubt it.
Yi has a decent post game, just not big enough to use it. I know some think a lot higher of Yi than they do Wright, so perhaps the Bucks wouldn’t even go for that deal. If I was them, I’d go for it, but Yi is worth a lot to them as well…
Mortimer
here comes the Kwame movement
So far it looks like they want Cauncey billips, Yi, and Kwame. Now they gotta come up with a crappy 2 and 3 to fill out the wish list.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 5, 2008 9:33 PM PDT reply actions
LOL
Well I wasn’t the one to start any of the “movements” so there will be no Kwame or Chauncey movement. I merely don’t think Kwame is a decent option as a backup center and I would also enjoy seeing a Chauncey-Baron backcourt.
Let’s see a crappy 2 or 3? Well Chauncey isn’t a crappy 1 is he? I don’t know about crappy, but for entertaining let’s go with: “JRich movement” for our 2 and a “Josh Howard Movement” for the 3?
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 5, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
"JRich movement" for our 2 and a "Josh Howard Movement" for the 3?
Those make too much sense to be a GSofM movement. Gotta be someone unlikable or overrated.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 6, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Derek Fisher? Jason Kapono?
Bigger names: Tmac? Melo?
Oh! Vince would fit perfectly into one of these “movements”
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 6, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
The Singh movement.
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2007/4/14/191018/502
“Uh, I’m a shooter,” he said. “I don’t know, Ray Allen or something like that, but my role model growing up was Dennis Rodman.”
Wow: A Ray-Ray and Rodman hybrid? Say no more…
He can’t technically dunk a ball-he has bad knees from when he used to weigh so much-but he can grab the rim, which ought to come in handy at the next level.
Whoops. Ah well: I’m still on board. Failing that, whatever happened to that Garnett guy we were all pining for….? :-(
Sign ^^^^ !!!
Chauncey?
another guard??? I will take Monta playing the 2 over Chauncey playing the 2 anytime… lets all worry about developing a low post scorer and being smart with the #14 pick
+1
and a backup point man would be the 2nd priority after addressing rebounding/interior post defense.
by misterjennings on Jun 5, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Kwame
wouldn’t be so bad if he had better hands and a higher basketball IQ.
I highly doubt he will ever develop either of those by the time he’s out of the league.
If he played with as much energy and passion as someone whose garbage like Turiaf then he might be servicable. Every time I see Kwame play though, he looks lost and out of it.
better hands and a higher basketball IQ.
“I highly doubt he will ever develop either of those by the time he’s out of the league’
Maybe he could grow bigger hands if he took those stem cell thingies? do they work on IQ too?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 6, 2008 9:43 PM PDT reply actions
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