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Baron opts out, signs on with McDonalds?!

 

After the draft where we picked up another big man project and let the trade exception expire, wake up Warrior fans, Baron Davis has opted out of his contract. What looked like a relatively boring offseason - the draft and resigning Monta and Beans - just got verrrry interesting. Opting out does not mean he's leaving, but it does give him some negotiating power with Mullin. And most likely, even if Baron leaves, we'll get some sort of compensation though I'm not sure how well Mullin will negotiate that.

Some thoughts after the jump...

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Why did Baron opt out?
I'm not really sure on this one but I have to think it was a combination of factors:

1) He wanted a long term deal now. He's coming off a season where he started all 82 games and with his injury history, the time to cash in is now. He proved he can stay healthy, albeit in a contract year, and teams in need of a top flight PG will want his services.

2) Mullin and Co. have done nothing to improve the team. I'd say another factor in Baron opting out was his way of him telling management that he can only come back if the team is improved. Simply resigning Monta and Beans, drafting a guy who won't contribute for 2-3 seasons, and letting the trade exception expire are not signs that the Warriors are trying to win this year. Baron knows he doesn't have much time especially with Nelson around for most likely, 1 more year. If I were him, I'd be upset that the Warriors did nothing at the draft to improve the team and did nothing creative with the trade exception as well.This puts pressure on Mullin to make a decision to build for the future (just play the young guys this year) or re-sign Baron and make another play for a top player (Artest? Brand? Marion?)

 

What does this all mean?

In my quick analysis, a few things could happen:

1) Baron re-signs with the Warriors for a long term deal. Obviously, he won't be getting the 17.8 million he would have received this season, but he would guarantee himself much more in the long term. So, the Warriors retain his rights at a lower cap hit this year than it would have been if he had not opted out.

2) Memphis, Philly, or the LA Clippers sign him outright. The only 2 teams with enough cap space to give him a 10+ million dollar deal would be those 3 teams. Unless he's taking a severe paycut, he's not going to a contender without the Warriors receiving compensation.

3) And lastly, by far the most interesting and controversial outcome, Baron forces a sign and trade from the Warriors to another team. Most likely, he would force a trade to a contending team. Just as I thought the ridiculous trade proposals would die down with the expiration of the trade exception, Baron throws a twist and we'll now see lots of Fan Posts trading Baron to any and every team.

4) Elton Brand opted out as well. Could the Warriors be eyeing his services now? I didn't think he'd opt out either but supposedly after seeing what the Celtics did with 3 stars, he wants to do the same. So he wants to see the Clips make the same type of dedication to winning. I'm sure Baron has that in mind as well. Brand would look good in a Warrior uni, next to Baron of course.

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I don’t know about the possible scenarios, but I do agree that the pressure is on Mullin. I really didn’t like the draft (even though from interviews, Randolph is a fine gentleman). But there has been no effort to get better. The trade deadline this past season was nothing for the team. I know that the Warriors need just one dominant forward to be a contender. The West won’t be as tough as last year, so why not go the extra mile to become an elite when the opportunity is there?

I don’t blame Baron for opting out. I wish he’d stay but returning to LA is a sexy option for a guy like him

Formerly known as phutmasterflex
Warriors, A's, 49ers... the only three that matter to me right now.

by PHUT! on Jun 30, 2008 11:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

all the angst

Haha, Yeah sorta like spending a week picking out a color for the new dining room paint then having the house burn down.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 1, 2008 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

wait. can i say something? can i say something? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I’M IN A GLASS CAGE OF EMOTION!!! seriously i have shaken baby syndrome.actually i feel like the warriors battered wife. i just keep coming back for more, and i won’t press charges. does anybody know a good shelter for battered fans? GET ME OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!

I'm keen on the professional basketball club The Golden State Warriors. I don't fancy other clubs.

by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jul 1, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pissed

I think it’s selfish and something that really caught the Warriors off guard. 17.8mil not enough??? come on, you sign a contract and it should be honored. I know he wants an extension but this is BS.

Is Baron a restricted FA?

I’m also upset about the 10mil exception that didn’t get used.

Anyways, KNBRs going to be interesting tomorrow

by Spidz34 on Jun 30, 2008 11:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes its not always about money

Players often do this to test the waters to see what other teams are interested in them and how interested his current team is in him as well. Baron is exercising his rights as an NBA player and is looking for the best avenue to take in order to fulfill his goals in the NBA. Wouldn’t you take the job that pays the most? Or take the job that gets you to where you want to go? Come on now let’s all stop crying. If he goes then he goes we’ll find someone else.

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 1, 2008 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much agreed. This isn’t about a $17.8 million payday now. This is about a $50-60 million payday in five to six years.
What if Baron didn’t opt out, got his 17.8 this year but got injured? No team would take him then for anywhere near 14-15 mil/year.
It’s a smarter move on his behalf. I just hope no one in the league is interested and he comes back to Oakland for a comparable price.
And I hope the Clips resign Brand so I’ll stop seeing these “get Elton, dump Baron!” posts.

by so ill so d0pe on Jul 1, 2008 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Count it

then we will fight in the shade.

by Swamp Thing on Jul 1, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The amount of people

who can’t comprehend what you are saying makes me sad.

by Gob on Jul 1, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah man!!!

This MENSA blog sux!!!

Storage is for business, or for family.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 1, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've passed on more $

And I never kicked myself in the arse for it. Being a winner feels better than anything else. True story…

by gabezgsw on Jul 1, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you sign a contract and it should be honored

Apparently it had an opt out clause so it is being honored.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 30, 2008 11:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

its been a while since ive posted anything or replied to anything on GSoM because people are so dramatic and don’t take time to think about what they’re saying.

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 1, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hold on

Dont you all think the Warriors would have made plans in case he opted out? I certainly dont think we are absolutely screwed just yet.

by highflya on Jun 30, 2008 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Mullin expected BD to opt out.

If he did, he probably would’ve used the TPE.

Baron purposefully wated till 7pm to submit his papers so that the Warriors couldn’t use the TPE for anything.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 1, 2008 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully...

the Warriors brass was smart enough to plan for this even if it was totally unexpected. Contra Costa Times reported that the Warriors were not willing to use the entire TPE (9.9 mil)unless it brought a player that could make the Warriors a legit contender.

Bottom line, it comes down to the luxury tax. Chris Cohan is unfortunately still the owner. Open your wallet Chris!

by GState21 on Jul 1, 2008 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe this is all part of the plan

Maybe Baron’s opting out is all part of the plan:
He wants to stay with the Warriors and he wants another contract, probably 3-5 years.
He’s intelligent and although he knows he’s leaving 17+ mil on the table he could renegotiate his contract to start at around 12 mil this season, thereby saving the W’s 5 mil against the cap. (Of course in year 5 of the new contract he could finally be making that 17 mil).
If he signs elsewhere, it’s probably not for much more money than that (12 mil).
In other words, he’d get more money in the long run with a new contract and likewise put the team in a position get another quality piece or two for this season.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal like this hadn’t been agreed to in principle in advance with it being just a formality of opting out and resigning. We’ll see. Either way, the W’s will have 5 mil or 17 mil for shopping (plus the mid-level).

by miguelito on Jun 30, 2008 11:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so does brand come over to the w's or does baron go over to the clippers?

interesting. not saying that these two have an under the table deal, but maybe they did compare notes and want to do what the Celtics did this year (saw the same article where Brand’s agent indicated that getting a few stars together a la the Celtics was something that Brand wanted to do).

so do the clippers have more pieces or do the warriors in the deep deep Western Conference? was this a little bit of baron taking a poke at Mullin drafting for the future instead of more immediate help? which owner is more palatable—the old miser (Donald Sterling) or the tight-fisted silent one (Cohan)?

so many questions. . .

by Hac Man on Jun 30, 2008 11:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woah

So you’re saying that NBA All Stars who want to win a championship want to play on teams with other All Stars instead of scrubs? You just blew my mind.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 1, 2008 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also re: the Clippers

I believe that the Clippers do not have enough space under the cap to sign Baron outright unless they renounce both Brand and Maggette.

by Hac Man on Jun 30, 2008 11:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

true.

If they don’t renounce either, they still could conceivably S/T for BD.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 1, 2008 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the renounce...

maggette only, that’s 10 mil right there. I can see baron taking 5yrs, 50 mil to play along side two true bigs, in his hometown, close to hollywood.

if they could sign and trade, who do the clippers have that they are willing to give up that you would really want??? only players that are under contract that would be nice are eric gordon and kaman.

by GState21 on Jul 1, 2008 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

leverage

Mullin lost a lot of leverage when Baron opted out, but not all of it – to get max $$ BD has to work with GS

funny thing is, I don’t think BD is after max in the first year of this new deal, like others above have said I think he wants a 10-12m/5yr deal but with a contender & as such, he’s taken back the leverage

by hardcore on Jul 1, 2008 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

brand might be willing

to take less from the clippers so they can sign baron… oh ya, and as a clipper fan I can pretty much say that kaman isn’t gonig anywhere… For a sign and trade i think you’d have to match salary, so would have to either give maggette a new long deal or take on Mobley or Thomas

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jul 1, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

youth movement or go for gold

do the warriors run with the 22 and under team or do they sell all these pieces, trade for brand AND either marion or artest and make a dent in the western conference…

looking at past history, i would say baron’s leaving

cohan’s making a push to regain title for worst owner in the bay from york!

by GState21 on Jun 30, 2008 11:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

assuming baron wants to leave

i’m down for sheed and billups for baron and al.

by Monta fan on Jul 1, 2008 12:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wish it was so...

easy. detroit has stuckey. harrington has a huge contract. only way detroit even considers if the warriors throw in one of the young guys (monta, beans, randolph, wright).

by GState21 on Jul 1, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

numbers dont work for that… would you do baron and wright for chauncey sheed? i sure would

by Nellieball on Jul 1, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How??

How could the Warriors let Baron land with a divisional foe like the Clippers? I just don’t see Mullin letting him walk to LA without getting anything significant in return when we we’re going to have to battle these guys for a playoff spot. Brand for Davis would be nice but I think the Clippers are more interested in keeping Brand and getting Davis. And while Corey Maggette is a good player, I don’t see him as being enough in return in a potential sign and trade.

by baybruin415 on Jul 1, 2008 12:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GsOM

prayer service tomorrow in front of oracle arena.

by thecitygirl on Jul 1, 2008 12:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kawakami

seems to think that this means Baron Davis wants out of Oakland, and that this is most possible through a sign and trade:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9748763?source=most_viewed

this makes me a little uneasy, since i value Kawakami’s opinion a little higher than most. I mean, chauncy billups would be a nice addition, but Baron is Baron, and seeing the Dubs without him makes me nervous.

In a perfect world, Davis’ opting out is the best scenario for everyone. That is, the dubz resign him to a 3 year 40-45 mil contract, and Baron stays healthy for those three years. That way, the Dubz get a quality player for 3 years AND save some salary cap room for this coming year…

by Run Dubz on Jul 1, 2008 1:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kawakami

hates Baron. Don’t value his opinion any more than your own.

by misterjennings on Jul 1, 2008 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

I’m trying not to freak out. I’m still thinking that the most likely option is that we re-sign Baron to a new long term deal, which would actually better our chances at getting a little more help this year.

The scary thing is that he may just walk away and leave us in a pretty scary situation, albeit with a lot of cap space.

I think I will be pretty pissed if Brand and Baron are Clippers next year.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 1, 2008 1:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agree.

But in Baron’s pov, would you want to resign with the Warriors?

I agree with Atma’s statement that the Warriors dropped the ball during the draft and with the TPE to really upgrade this team.

Baron’s not getting any younger, and he wants to get paid, and win along the way. I don’t think he likes the fact that we’ve drafted projects the last 20 years.

ESPN is reporting that Brand learned a lot from Boston’s triumvirate, that he too is willing to take a pay cut in order to attract another star. Here’s where Brand and Diddy’s relationship come into play. Its known that they are indeed friends. It is also interesting that they both announced their intention to opt out right after each other.

Another thing is that some are speculating that BD never would’ve given up a guaranteed $17+M if he didn’t already have a plan.

It remains to be seen whether that plan is to force the Warriors into forking over the cash, or whether its to join Brand and the Clips and return home for a slightly cheaper deal, but with a better chance to compete for a title.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 1, 2008 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well the thing is that

the paperclips even if they get baron are still no c-ship contender IMO.

by buky on Jul 1, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That team

A starting lineup of Baron / Cuttino / Thornton / Brand / Kaman is #2 in the West, and #1 is the Lakers who haven’t played with that lineup and have a ton of injury Q’s (not that the Clipps’ lineup doesn’t, to be fair). If they can grab one or two ring hunters (Zo?), they’d be nasty.

PG: Boom Dizzle / Brevin Knight
SG: Cuttino / Eric Gordon
SF: Al Thornton / Marcus Williams
PF: Brand / Tim Thomas / Fazekas
C: Kaman / Zo / DeAndre Jordan

by dprodigy19 on Jul 1, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hello 12 years

of non playoff seasons redux!!! maybe we can trade for speedy claxton and it will be full circle!!!!

welcome back 39 dollar lower bowl seats!!! i miss em!!

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Jul 1, 2008 2:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

btw

how about www.killramasar.com?

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Jul 1, 2008 2:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why did Baron opt out?

Totally agree with number 1, not so much number 2. The Warriors have a lot of young talent and just a lot of talent, period. I don’t see where he’ll find a better situation.

Maybe I’m a homer – tell me a realistic place he could end up where he would have a better shot at winning.
The Clippers might be a better situation for winning right away but that’s pretty debatable. I know they didn’t have Brand last season but still, we won 48 games, and Monta’s better now than he was during the course of the last season. With a better Monta, a similar or better record isn’t very unreasonable to expect. I don’t see the Clippers, even with Brand and Baron, winning 50 games.

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Jul 1, 2008 3:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thought this was interesting

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warriors/detail?blogid=39&entry_id=27736
“Even more interesting? One league source insists that the Warriors turned around and let Gilbert Arenas know that they would be making a BIG play for him. As in possibly MAX big. This isn’t confirmed, though the Washington Post is indicating the same thing.”

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/07/wiz_offer_arenas_the_max_but_h.html

“Then, according to my sources, the Warriors quickly burned the phones and offered former Warrior Gilbert Arenas a maximum-level contract, one that would pay him more than $100 million over five years. My source told me that Gilbert received a flurry of phone calls from the Warriors in the first 30 minutes of free agency.”

by superk1ng on Jul 1, 2008 4:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear god no

$100M/5 years? Please, please, please… Don’t go Nate Clements on this, contracts work differently in the NBA.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 1, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes you are a homer

every asset we have we let disappear to save Cohan bucks. We didn’t use our mid-level. Now the big exception. We dumped JR. We didn’t trade Baron when we could have received something good for him. We likely will try to low ball Monta after getting the kid to sign a contract that basically paid him around 650 thousands for three years, and he’ll walk next year. Nellie sure won’t stay. Mully will probably be fired as he should be. Maybe Cohan can revive Saint. I hear he’ll work for cheap. Or Smart with zero head coaching experience, but coming on the cheap, will be head coach.

Let’s see, he took over a playoff team. Lost Weber, the gave away Goog, Dumped Nellie. Hired Lanier with no experience, but cheap. Gave away Timmy. Lost Spree due to bad judgment in keeping him.Finally makes a playoff and dumps his second leading scorer from that team. For peanuts. Or toothpicks. On and on. I see absolutely no hope for the franchise and I’ve been saying that for some time so the way they mishandled all the stuff this past week is absolutely no surprise to me. Or probably anyone but Dave from what I’m reading on other boards.

It’s not losing Baron that gets me. It’s the way we have. Either we sign him to a ltc that we don’t need or more likely he walks away. We could have traded him. Easy. There is a dearth of pgs as we’ll soon find out.

But instead of jerking him off and him not opting out we just ignored him. Which may have been a ploy but most likely was just Mully’s one “category” of work at a time.

And to let the exception go off without even picking up a mid level pg when we needed one, Baron or not, but for sure as a back up plan, is unforgiveable. To say nothing of our pf and bench situations. Well, Mully knows we can always get old players on the cheap after their options run out. You know, gems like Hudson and Croshere. Don’t you like the far-sighted nature of this team?

by meir on Jul 1, 2008 6:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade

Was trading Baron even an option this offseason? He would have opted out wherever he went. If anything, Baron/Agent is pushing a Sign & Trade to LA.

by Colorado Fan on Jul 1, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Warriors are becoming the A's

I think Mullin is completely reigned in by Cohan’s fiscal limitations and is not the smartest knife in the drawer to begin with. His stubborness regarding Dunleavy and his early extensions pretty much destroyed his honeymoon period. In fact, as we know, if Nellie hadn’t bailed his sorry ass out, he would have been gone two years ago as the GM/VP.

We are a badly flawed franchise with a very cheap and crappy owner. Well, let me say this another way: Cohan simply isn’t slightly motivated to build a championship team as other owners and treats the Dubs as a business enterprise, not a passion like Cuban and seemingly Paul Allen via Kevin Prtichard.

If Baron is really pissed and leaving, which probably is the case, we could do a number of very creative things with the projected $12-15 Mil we would have even after signing Ellis, Beans and even Buke. At least that is what I’ve read from folks a lot more knowledgable than I am about cap issues. That would not include our annual mid-cap exception.

Sadly, however, I see the Dubs heading the way of the A’s (albiet not out the Arena’s door). This franchise has no real loyalty to the players or fans and if they don’t address these pressing issues this seaon, I’m out the door as a season ticket holder after this year. I’d like to be able to vote with my feet. In other words, with the significantly increased prices for tickets, I’m not inclined to fill Cohan’s pockets for a truely inferior product and a clueless GM/VP.

CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.

by commish on Jul 1, 2008 7:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But the A's are always decent

Because they have hot prospects. We have POBs and Kostas.

then we will fight in the shade.

by Swamp Thing on Jul 1, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check the attendance

Yes, the A’s have a great GM who keep them alive with pitching and speed. But we have Mullin who is no Billy Beane. Meanwhile, the attendance at A’s game is consistently declining because the owner hasn’t made any attempt at customer satisfacton in terms of the upkeep of the physical space and rising costs for food, etc. The morale of the fans has seriously deterioted.

Cohan has the luxury of a sold out arena but only because there was a glimmer of hope with Nelson coming on board and then “the trade”, in conjuction with finally making the playoffs. But people aren’t stupid and will stop paying top dollar for an inferior product.. The fan base will get fed up and stop buying tickets and we’ll back where we were four or five years ago with Mongomery and a team going nowhere but down.

CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.

by commish on Jul 1, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arena food costs...

Scary thought on how much an Oracle dogg will go up! Thank Goodness Costco Turkey wraps fit in my cargo pant pockets!

by Tony.psd on Jul 1, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GILBERT

GILBERT GILBERT GILBERT!

by psclavos on Jul 1, 2008 8:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You have to wonder

if the benching of Davis in the second half of the Phoenix game plays into this somehow, but I would think if Baron just wanted out he would have opted out much sooner than he did. It is a financial decision (his agent says that he advised Baron to opt out) so as long as he gets a good offer from GS (5 yrs/$60-$65 mill) I believe he will stay.

by Jeremy on Jul 1, 2008 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

after a night of sleep

i can’t really blame Baron for this. If he were to hang on to his contract and blew out a knee, he’d been screwed financially for years to come. The Warriors failed to renegotiate his contract and he also didn’t see championship contender in the Dubs. His boy Paul Pierce recently winning it all could have also been a catalyst that he wants to contend as well as lock up some contract security. The Clippers need a PG and I’m a little scared he’ll pursue that destination, thus becoming the most hated man in Dubs basketball history. The Dubs should have made Baron’s extension a priority – he was the motor for this team, regardless of our fascination w/ Monta and Biedrins – they can’t do it like Boom! He makes our team go. I hope he stays, but if not this is a little exciting in that we have more money to spend now and pursue other deals.

by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 1, 2008 8:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How do you not blame Baron?

If he was going to opt out, why did he wait until the 11th hour to say something? Why would he say on Thursday or Friday of last week that he was not opting out, and then wait until the last minute to opt out. If he wanted out, he could have asked for a trade when we still had rights to him. Now unless we sign and trade, we are left with nothing. I will boo him forever more if he doesn’t re-sign.

by Eggman on Jul 1, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why did he wait until the 11th hour

Haha, That’s the perfect payback for JRich getting a phone call on draft night saying he’d just been traded after Mullin had said there was no way he’d trade Jason.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 1, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree w/ you about the JRich piece

that had to play into this somewhat. The Warriors organization showed their true colors w/ the JRich trade and showed this is a business and not about loyalties. We complain about Baron leaving and he promised us this and that, but at the end of the day, he’s looking out for #1 and that’s Baron himself. Hard to argue w/ that, just upsetting is all that we might lose our guy!

by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 1, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, it's still about j-rich

won’t let that die, will we?

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Jul 1, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baron doesn't owe us any favors

this is a business and we all know that. it sucks he opted out and waited so long, but look at what the Dubs did w/ JRich. “We promise you won’t be traded.” Straight lied to his face! Traded him and showed they don’t care about these guys. Everyone’s expendable. I want him to stay, but he’s got to look out for himself

by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 1, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BD is my favorite Warrior but the only way I would keep Baron is if we can also get Brand also, without giving up Monta and Biedrins. If we resign Baron and the rest of the roster stays the same, we would only be a little better than last year, and have far less cap space this year and in the future. Being a little better in the West this year would get us a 7 or 8 seed.

Get Baron and Brand or make a complete commitment to a youth movement.

by jakeaco on Jul 1, 2008 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Baron is gone

It doesn’t seem like Baron to opt out without a plan, and re-signing with the Dubs obviously wasn’t the plan if Nellie was “surprised”.

IF (and I don’t support it) the Warriors go after Gilbert, they should try to get Livingston too. 3 years / 13 mill (or so). If it doesn’t work, it’s not a huge commitment, but if it does, the Dubs have a top tier backcourt that also gives Gilby some time to play off the ball.

by dprodigy19 on Jul 1, 2008 9:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I see it as...

Baron opting out just to be sure he is finanically secure ebfore something were to happen. Though his action was alarming to all, he wants to make sure that him and the Dubs are on the same page together.

If he really is a true warrior, he’ll come back once all the numbers match up.

by Spee-D on Jul 1, 2008 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

whaaaaaaaaaa

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Jul 1, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The W's will sign White Chocolate if Arenas says no

ha ha

Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious.

by Kobe on Jul 1, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade with Cavs?

Rumor flying around Cleveland that a Baron for Verajo, Wally Szerbiak and Sasha Pavlovic deal is being bantered. Figured this was the best board to go to and check if that rumor was alive out west. I struggle to see why you guys do this deal.

by C-Town on Jul 1, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't see

why we’d do it either…

by racsan on Jul 1, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

[Throws up in mouth quietly]

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 1, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are some reasons. You get an athletic big who can defend. You get an athletic wing who in an open offensive system could very easily flourish. And you get a solid 3-pt shooter, with a large expiring contract, to be used as another trade chip or to open space for next off season.

Like I said, I would think there are better deals out there, but you never know in the NBA.

by C-Town on Jul 1, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brand and Baron going to the same place

If Baron had made up his mind that he wants to go to LAC, then Brand wouldn’t have to opt out. The same goes the other way too. It’s not a guarantee that which team these guys want to go to. The main thing that they both opt out give them is the freedom to end up at the same team, either LAC, or the Ws, whoever is willing to sign both of them.

by asfansince1989 on Jul 1, 2008 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To realistically grab Baron, LAC has to do some of the following:

1. relinquish Mags. I can’t believe that was part of the plan since it required him opting out, which was his decision.

2. Sign Mags for about what he made last year or less and get Brand to opt out for a paycut in next year’s salary. This requires Mags and Brand to be on board.

3. Get Baron to come for the MLE. I don’t think this is realistic.

The realistic scenarios do require the Brand opt out as without him opting out and agreeing to a bit of a pay cut, the Clippers don’t have the change to offer Baron a respectable starting contract.

4. There’s another diabolical ploy the Clippers can now use, but I’m not sure that they’ve thought of it, so I won’t post it at this time. It’s more or less guaranteed to screw over the Warriors and may be nasty enough that the fraternity of NBA owners would frown it out of happening, but it’s entirely legal within the cap.

by jae on Jul 1, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't do that!

you can’t say there’s a diabolical ploy the Clippers can use, but not inform us what it is! oh i wonder what it is…

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 1, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At some point, when I know that it’s not going to happen (or has happened), I’ll let y’all know what it is. I don’t want to take chances that some LAC beat writer sees it, writes about it and Sterling suddenly gets an “aha” moment at my expense. The Warriors don’t need me working against them.

by jae on Jul 1, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I put more details in my “reality check” post. Basically, if they hadn’t secured something solid with Baron but were still negotiating, offering Ellis a similar contract would have royally frakked us. Basically, it would require us to match or lose him. In matching, we’d have eaten up the cap space we’d get when Baron leaves since Ellis currently counts for less than a mil on the cap until signed or until he takes an offer sheet that we have to match. It wouldn’t necessarily get them any player they want, but it would mean we’d be totally out of the game for free agents and could still have lost Davis. Cuts down on the competition for bidding for the free agents. Nasty because it’s only guaranteed to hurt others, not help the team doing it.

by jae on Jul 2, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they let Mags go

If they renounce Maggette, they have enough to do both deals reasonably since Livvy and Davis weren’t tendered.

He doesn’t really want to be there anyway, so what would happen is they would reach a tentative agreement with Boom, renounce Corey, then sign both Brand and Baron. No need for other hypos/crazy scenarios

by dprodigy19 on Jul 1, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baron just sent a Text message to JA Adande ant ESPN

saying he wants to come back to the Warriors. Kawakami is a rumor mongering loser and worthless as far as Warriors and NBA opinion goes. Baron will be back in the Bay next year.

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by 0akFoSho on Jul 1, 2008 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

saw that 2

“Clipps r possible. G State is where I wanna b.”

by racsan on Jul 1, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Clipps r possible. G State is where I wanna b."

OK, So will Mullin get rid of the youngsters and sign Brand to work with Baron? I wouldn’t come back here to the same team if I was Boom. Down there sounds like a better environment for him? Dint they draft a decent 2 guard or small forward? With Baron, Brand and Kaman they’d have a better core than us.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 1, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let him go.

An injury prone 29 year old point guard who wants more money, but “wants to stay.”

Just pay Monta and Beans and see what our drafting is going to do for us. If this was Stephen Jackson I would care more, but since it’s not and Monta seems to be getting by the year, give Monta his money and let him run wild.

by Jynx-Removing on Jul 1, 2008 2:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Told You

We should’ve made the Detroit trade. At least we wouldnt be in this situation now. If I were Mullin I would not give him more than what he was making before he opted out.

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Jul 1, 2008 3:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Detroit trade never existed.

There wasn’t ever a way to make a deal with Detroit unless Baron first waived his rights to avoid opting out. Since that didn’t happen, he couldn’t have been traded. Without waving this (which we now see wasn’t happening) the deal would have violated the CBA.

by jae on Jul 1, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooo.

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Jul 1, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Good luck BD. You just threw 17.8 million dollars out the window to go shopping for a new NBA team that will pay him 14-15 mil a year for 5 years? Ha ha ha. Who the fluk NBA team aside from the Clippers will pay for that kind of contract? Good luck BD!

by gabezgsw on Jul 1, 2008 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well

u just listed one….if there’s already one then there’s not really much he has to worry about is there?

by AJC3317 on Jul 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Says a lot about who he is

BD basically just said F/U to the dubs. BD, farewelll my friend. You just did the dubs a favor a year early. Good luck down there for the Lakers Jr. Varsity team.

by gabezgsw on Jul 1, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you just realized this?

This is of no surprise to me. Baron was either injury prone or a guy that was just plain lazy. The last time he got a huge deal it was followed by years of 64 games or less. While I don’t discredit that he had some injuries the last few years that he couldn’t play through its seems like a big coincidence this year when he has a chance to opt out he’s able to play 82 games.

But I can fault the man for wanting to get paid. Its a business after all. if someone is willing to pay you, you just have to take it. There’s is very little loyalty in sports. Teams in any sport will try and dump you the second they can find someone younger, cheaper and believed they be better.

by ufwa on Jul 1, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

I mean I can’t fault the man.

by ufwa on Jul 1, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck to the Warriors

Yup Baron just did u guys a big favor. The Clippers will happily take him off your hands while you guys try to make Monta Ellis into a point guard. Good luck trying to make the playoffs again. Lakers Jr Varsity team haha wow. Thanks to Baron, thats no longer the case.

by clipschamps on Jul 1, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHA!

Say what’s up to Clipper Dave! That dude’s friendly!

by Tony.psd on Jul 1, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time for ARENAS OR BRAND!

ARENAS OR BRAND MOVEMENT!

The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!

by ballin on Jul 1, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Speculation abounds
The Wizards figured to have little, if any, competition for Arenas. But there may be more suitors now. To sign Arenas to the maximum contract under the collective bargaining agreement, the Warriors would have to renounce the rights to several free agents. And signing Arenas might force the Warriors to part ways with Monta Ellis, their blossoming young guard

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/sports/basketball/02davis.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The irony of ironies is that for the last year+, all I’ve heard is “we had to get rid of J-Rich to insure there was enough cap space to resign Ellis and Beans” and now I have to wonder if they’ll not become part of some deal to get a BD replacement.

by centerre on Jul 1, 2008 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

probably bad research.

I don’t see how that’s the case at all. He is the one guy that we for sure wouldn’t have to renounce because his cap hold is so low (about 3mil IIRC) and talent so high. Andris is the one who might have to be renounced with a cap hold of about 8 mil, but we might be able to swing it even without renouncing either.

Here is my rough math. 20 mil in existing contracts + 8mil (cap hold for AB) + 3mil (cap hold Monta)+2mil(randolph) = 33mil. With the Cap expected to be set somewhere around 58 mil that leaves us about 25 mil to play with in free agency. While it may be tight under the tax once everyone is signed we could theoretically sign Gil for about 20 mil and hold onto Monta and Andris and still have some to spare.

These numbers aren’t anywhere near exact but I’m thinking that they are close enough to dispute the claim that signing Arenas would forfeit Monta.

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by olympicmike on Jul 1, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bye Bye Baron

Yup, just saw Stein report that on ESPN dot com. The era is over. The Dubs were blindsided. Baron screwed us royally.

by C-Note on Jul 1, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baron SOLD OUT to be in tinsel town

Weaksauce. And to think I thought this guy had some class and stay in a winning situation and a fanbase that loved him to heroic status.
I say we counter and make an aggressive bid for Brand, which, I know, will be tough since he will probably wanna stay and play with BD. this is ludicrous!

We Believe!!!

by crossphaded on Jul 1, 2008 5:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

call me a sell...

out too then. From a business standpoint, I do not blame him at all. He got his, and if reports are true, he got more than he’s worth, so why not take it? Can anyone on this forum say they would not even consider gaining an extra $47 million dollars?

from a fan standpoint, of course it sucks because with the current roster, we are at best 3rd in the pacific division (more realistically 4th – behind LAL, PHX & LAC). but it’s time to move on a year or three earlier than what we would have had to deal with in 2009 or 2011. We lose those years to possibly groom monta or belinelli into a 1. Let’s just hope management leads this team forwards and not backwards kinda like 94-95.

by GState21 on Jul 1, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still a fan

I am still a fan of Baron Davis. I’ve enjoyed watching him play since his UCLA days. He was a good leader and brought us to the playoffs. He surely will be missed in the Bay. My hope is that Ms. Alba supports the Warriors and goes to some more games. I will be at the Clips games at the Oracle.

by Spree15 on Jul 1, 2008 6:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It Ain't Over

The Warriors need to make the move they’ve been waiting for til the time was right. On July 8, 11:59 pm. they need to throw $20million in his face. Over the top. No ping pong phone calls. One way ticket to the 510. Start the movement: “Brand n Wright ” in the front court. Of course with this move happy trails to Biedrins, Harrington, Pietrus, Barnes. Hey you can’t keep everybody. Monta and S-Jax will still be around and CJ Watson can handle the point which plays a lesser role. Or dare I say, a Rondo-ish role.

by J_Richmark on Jul 1, 2008 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

clips

verbal agreement with clips… well, i prepared myself for this the past month so I can handle the disappointment

Formerly known as phutmasterflex
Warriors, A's, 49ers... the only three that matter to me right now.

by PHUT! on Jul 1, 2008 7:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow,

way to have the most exciting team in the NBA and then just totally screw it up.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Jul 1, 2008 7:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GOD

Damnitititaois 09)(&(#&(*Q# i am so mad. Baron wins us so many games. He is ultraclutch (s-jax and monta too) but c’mon. I thought we had something going with our team, and now i am totally out. Had a bad day today too!

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Jul 1, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Baron got the Clippers confused with the Lakers

Anybody else think he is just doing this to move to LA and be a celebrity? I feel bad for you Warriors fans. You guys are so passionate about your team and your players don’t repay the favor. Oh well….at least you will always have the memory of beating the Mavs in the playoffs.

President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 1, 2008 8:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What are the odds that you can keep Monta now that Barron is gone?

It’s not like he can’t get great contract from another team. If the Nets or the Knicks can’t get Lebron maybe they would turn their sights on the Mississippi Bullet. Who would want to stay on the Warriors now that they have are cursed to spend the next four years in the Lottery?

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Jul 1, 2008 9:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd say the odds are good

that the Warriors keep Monta since he’s a restricted free agent and the Warriors get to match any offers—particularly now that they have an extra $17 million to use to match.

by centerre on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG

i smell another 13yr playoff drought. Oh god please. I don’t how we are going to make the playoffs with the loaded west. Baron is gone and Nelly next year and all we are left is the ONE (Monta) and some rookies. We got no size, no bangers to get those boards!

brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Jul 1, 2008 9:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh man.

this one really really hurts… and now without the TPE, it’s going to be hard to land a player of even remotely similar caliber…

by Run Dubz on Jul 1, 2008 10:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and 5 year / 65 mil

was that REALLY too much to ask? i say that is a VERY fair price for baron davis’ services. great job organization…

by Run Dubz on Jul 1, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

just say NO to 5 year contracts!

The warriors will miss baron next year and maybe the next. Baron has no chance however, to help the clippers in years 3-5 of that contract. The guy gets hurt far too often, and now he thinks he’s a movie star. Kindah reminds me of the mistakes the dogers made signing Kevin brown and Jason Schmidt. They sign guys for far too long, for waaay too much money and end up getting burned. Fine with me!! Go Warriors! Go Giants!

by truckin on Jul 2, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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