The Yi trade rumor.
by J Rich 4 MVP on Jun 6, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
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PrintAs I'm sure many of you know it's been reported on ESPN.com that the Warriors are said to be trying to make a serious run at Yi. ESPN reports that the Warriors have floated out the idea of BWright + 14th pick for Yi. If we are even considering that trade I will no longer be a Warriors fan until we can get a real owner/front office, here's why...
I understand a lot of people who post here are all for the Yi movement, I'm assuming because most are Asian-Americans who would like to see him move to the bay and play in a Dubs uniform, which is completely understandable, but if you take a look at it from a basketball stand point Yi isn't what the Warriors need. He's a PF who shoots, plays soft, is an avg. rebounder and from what I've seen not a very good defender. Do we really need another one of those on our team? I can positively say that the answer is no. Also, does anyone actually know how old he is? For all we know he could be 24/25 and already reached his potential at what he's going to be.
BWright is still young and somewhat raw but when you watch him play you can't help but giggle at the thought about how good this kid is actually going to be. He has the length and versatility to guard 3's, 4's and in some situations 5's. He has the length to defend the rim, which is something we sorely need, we can't rely on AB every game to be our only plus defender of the paint and on the boards. He can even step out a ways and hit a jumper, which would also keep the defense honest and from what I've seen already, he looks like he would be able to develop a nice little jump hook which with his length would be vitually impossible to block, he could just be the answer to our low block scoring woes while being able to stretch the defense a bit with his jumper.
What I'm saying is it's absolutely ridiculous for the Warriors to even swap BWright for Yi, let alone throw in our 14th pick, especially when we're going to need bodies on our bench and for the future. The only reason I can honestly even begin to fathom the Warriors contemplating this trade is because of the high population of Asian-Americans in the Bay Area which would make him a market gold mine. If that is the case and this trade does end up happening, I'll be getting rid of every piece of Warrior gear I own and find something else to spend my money on, because if they can give up BWright for a marketing ploy to make more money, well I'm not going to be one to support them. The J Rich trade hurt to see but it made sense because they were doing something to better the organization but this literally would make no sense.
Am I off my rocker or does this make sense to everyone else?
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Has nobody thought about this?
Listen… If we are even talking to the Bucks and they are in rebuild mode, you gotta talk about the most important Buck out there.. Michael Redd!! How about a sign and trade with monta ellis, along with that 14th pick and Wright for Yi and Redd. Ellis is going to be expensive, and we need proven winners for when Baron takes off on us next year. Ill take Redd off their hands any day to go with Baron in the backcourt, makes us an immediate contender. Any takers?
Umm...
Have you seen Redd’s contract? He has 2 years left for 32M with a player option for $18M the following year. He’s good, but not that good. No thank you. Let’s look elsewhere.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 6, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
no way
I’ll take Ellis over Redd. MAYBE the 14, Al and Wright for Yi and Redd (no idea if that works out salary-wise) but dont give up ellis to get Redd
Ellis will also be cheaper than Redd.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
asdf
Uh, no. Tell me what about Redd screams proven winner? You’re out of your mind to think about trading Monta for Redd.
Stephen Jackson catches on the wing and faces up against Vujacic. When Jax looks down and sees Vujacic, his eyes light up. He pulls out his nine, screams "Thug Life" and empties the clip, then drives in for a basically uncontested layup.
Hmmm
All im saying is that Redd is an Olympian with a money jump shot, where, as good as Monta is, still is a system guy (strike me down for saying that) with a streaky jump shot who is going to crash and burn on a half court team when people realize they can crowd the lane and make him make bad decisions. Baron is a goner next year, and we are going to need someone to take up the slack. Right now the problem is that we are struggling to keep things EXACTLY like they were last year by signing everyone again, and last years team was flawed at best. You gotta make the big move and strike when you can. Better to get a healthier Redd at 14 mil a year with a few years to go and enjoy him with Baron who is going to want $$ that we just cant give him. Im not saying its the best move, but it is A MOVE. BTW Monta is rumored to be asking for Redd money anyway. And hey.. .Baron Redd in a backcourt? Dont tell me that doesnt sound exciting..
yeah
I hear ya.. actually I think redd is worth every penny he’s being paid. just as much as baron is worth his $$ amount. but in the dubs current situation, they don’t need big contract players. they are rebuilding and eventually with their current and future young players they add on (if things work out well) they will be paying them high salaries too down the line. after the trade of jrich, and now with baron in his last year of contract, we have monta, beads, and bw as our future stars. and jackson, maybe harrington as our leader veterans (with manageable salaries). taking on another big contract for short term, I think ruins the timing of it all. we’re looking to be one of the top teams in about 3 to 5 years. I hope we stick to the plan and things do work out well.
I completely agree...
...if we were in true rebuilding mode. Having Baron for one more year with zero chance of keeping him after that (lets be honest.. guy wants his pay and a long term deal and we aren’t going to give it to him) means we have to try to win now. If we just bear down and think we are ok like we are, then we are in for a few more years of mock drafts if you know what I mean. You have to take chances when guys are available, and I say now is the time.
Why do you assume that we're not paying Baron?
If he’s asking for 70M/4 years, nobody’s giving that to him. Nobody. If he’s asking for 60M/4 years, we’d be stupid not to keep him around.
Mike Redd is worth what he makes now. He’s not going to be worth 17M next year, or 18M the following year. It’s as simple as that.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 6, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
well
if you take a contract like 60m/4 yrs for baron this year, there are 2 risks that arise in my mind. 1) it’ll be hard to sign monta, beads to contracts big enough to keep them here for 5 yrs. by the end of that 4 yr contract, that’s about $16mil for baron, $12mil for monta, and $12mil for beads. and bw will want a contract similar to those by then if he plays to the level we hope he does. so that’s already more than $50mil right there for just 4 players. 2) in 3 yrs, will baron still be worth $15-16mil? just like redd, they are in their declining years. tho still worth it in the present time, the risks of injury, declining games, declining enthusiasm increase as a players gets older and already has guaranteed $$. think it over. is keeping baron over 1 more year really worth the risks?
Both teams
in the finals are paying over 50 mil for 4 players. Granted, we probably wont go into the luxury tax in the way both those franchises can, but letting the best player we’ve had in the last 10 years just walk away because we arent willing to pay market price doesnt seem like the best plan. I can see the case for trading Baron for young talent now or not overpaying to keep him beyond next year, but I dont think we should let him walk next year unless someone overpays for him and I really think its doubtful anyone will. I think theres a good chance Baron finishes his career in a Dubs jersey.
I think
we have a good shot at bringing Baron back? where else is he gonna get payed more? everyone else has the same age/injury concerns about him as we do, and unless someone is desperate to add a PG to a contender I dont see anyone that will outbid us.
I agree
it’s all the more reason to just sit back and force baron to play another good year to prove his value. if by the end of next season, baron gets an offer from another team and we agree that he’s worth that much, what ever it is, then we can match and keep him. I think it would be a bad idea to guarantee him anything right now. we need to wait another year to find out
i'd be willing
to re-do his deal now, to save a couple mil for next year and maybe add another solid bench piece. If he plays another year like he did this year it will only raise his value and make some pg-hungry team all the more willing to over-pay him. I see your point about wanting to wait another year in case he gets hurt again or something, though.
53% FGP isn't "streaky"
"maybe my english isn't as collegic as yours..."
by pervisNeverNervous on Jun 6, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
But 53% of them
were fastbreak layups that even Charles Barkley coulda made. what was the percent of set shots only?
Redd versus Baron? Wasn’t Baron the only warrior close to being an allstar last year? Don’t you hang on to those guys and trade the others?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 6, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
still, 53% isn't streaky, young dude
"maybe my english isn't as collegic as yours..."
by pervisNeverNervous on Jun 6, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
and 80-90% of those fastbreak layups
could not have been created by anyone other than Ellis or Barbosa.
As JAE says...
If making layups is so easy, why doesn’t everybody do it?
Do you get more points for “set shots”? I guess we’ll never know, since the last NBA-er who regularly took set shots was probably Bob Cousy. But I suspect if you did take one, and make it, you’d still get two points for it.
Stephen Jackson plays in the same fastbreak system — why did he only hit a measly 40.5% of his shots? I’ll hazard a guess: because he doesn’t have Monta’s speed, first step, tight handles, hops, motor, or will to take it to the rim. I love Jack to death, but he’s basically a lazy offensive player. Most of the time, he’d rather bask in the glory of the dramatic 3 than do what’s most likely to produce victories for the team. It’s not a huge surprise that Dave Berri rated him the 4th most overrated player in the NBA. (The top 5: R. Jefferson, K. Durant, R. Gay, S. Jackson, J. Crawford).
Anyway, not to dump on Jack: he obviously brings a toughness and leadership that’s vital to the team. But he’s also all the evidence that you need that Nellieball alone isn’t sufficient to make one a good shooter.
As for Baron being “the only Warrior close to being an all-star last year”: anecdotally and statistically, I’d have to say Monta fits that bill too. Over the last half of the season, he was a better player than Baron on most nights. Have you checked out his ridiculous 2008 numbers?
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Jan: 26.0 pts / 4.7 reb / 4.8 ast / 60.2% fg
Feb: 22.6 pts / 6.3 reb / 4.6 ast / 52.9% fg
Mar: 22.3 pts / 6.3 reb / 4.3 ast / 53.8% fg
Pretty sick. Show me another player who put up those numbers at age 22 and I’ll show you an NBA all-star. Monta is absolutely a rare, special player. Moreover, he’s cool-looking, charismatic, and absolute joy to watch. I really don’t get the hate.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 6, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
++1
"maybe my english isn't as collegic as yours..."
by pervisNeverNervous on Jun 6, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If making layups is so easy, why doesn’t everybody do it?
Cause someone has to stay at home to get the rebounds, the guy leaking out to take the layup is the least important part of the equation .
WTH is Dave Berri? If he thinks Durant is overrated he must be watching another league?
Jax is not lazy, he’s smart. If you ever played you’d know that one hasta conserve the energy for the most important parts of the game, running all the time is a sign of stupidity :>)
There’s no hating on Monta, just pointing out the flaws in his game. 20 ppg with poor defense from a 2 is not gonna win champoinships, If Baron leaves we’d be just as well off to get less points from a PG Monta’s size and make it up on defense and assists and then play a bigger 2 guard. I just see Monta stuck in between, not good enough handles to play point and not good enough defense to play 2 ? Haha, BTW. according to your stats it looks like he mighta peaked in January?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 6, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Monta
Averaged 4.7 rebounds per 36 minutes last year — better than Baron (4.3) or Jack (4.0). Indeed, neither Baron nor Jack has topped that mark over the course of a full season in their careers (Jack did manage better once, over 51 games, in ‘04/05).
So remind me again who’s “staying at home” and who’s “leaking out”?
And if rebounds are a measure of effectiveness (and I suspect they are a good one) what makes you say Monta peaked in January? He snagged 6.3 rebounds/game in February and March. That’s phenomenal — better than anyone on the team not named Biedrins.
As for Berri: did you even click the link I provided? The ratings are not about what he “thinks. ” Unlike the “Skeptic System” — i.e. cherry-picking misleading numbers to suit biased and predetermined conclusions—Berri just runs the numbers and sees what comes out. Obviously, his system is flawed, like any statistical system, but it’s at least an honest attempt to raise statistical analysis above the kindergarten “Points Per Game” level. At the heart of his discussions is a metric called “wins produced” that regresses players’ performance against WINS (which I think we can both agree is the point of the game, right?) Not surprisingly, most of the guys on his “overrated” list failed miserably at the most important task of good player: making one’s team not suck.
Durant, like Jackson, has a knack for the dramatic game-winning three that gets played and replayed on Sportscenter, and gets casual fans all hot and bothered. I don’t doubt that takes a special personality. Unfortunately, none of his heroics kept the Sonics from being 20-62 last year. A big part of the problem was that despite his 6’10” frame and freakish wingspan he was a crappy shooter from the floor and 3 pt land (43% and 28.8% respectively), and a worse rebounder than Monta Ellis. If he had the talent and/or will to rebound and defend the rim even 75% as well as Kevin Garnett, you’d probably see the Sonics improve pretty rapidly.
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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 6, 2008 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Durant
Funny thing about Durant is that he has more of a G/F skillset as opposed to Garnett’s F/C skillset, so it’s somewhat forgivable from me that he didn’t rebound or defend the rim better… especially with guys like Collison and Wilcox up front for the majority of those duties. But i agree that it’s almost shamefull for a 6’10 dude to get outboarded by a 6’3” fellow. Ellis’s rebound stats were crazy last year considering his size, position, and wisp of a body. I would chalk it up to determination, hops, and the fact that with the sheer volume of shots taken during any given Warriors game there are more rebounds to be had.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
Agreed
There are a lot of things to like about Durant, especially if you consider him a shooting guard. He loves taking the big shot, and is too long for anyone to block it when he does; he shot 87.3% from the stripe, which definitely bespeaks a sweet shooting touch; and he dished out 2.5 apg, pretty respectable for a guy his size. And maybe most importantly: he’s only 19.
Still, he really does need to crash the boards a lot harder, even if he sticks at 2 guard. His total rebounding rate, which factors in pace (i.e. “sheer volume of shots”) was still not as good as Monta’s: 6.9% to 7.0%. And he turned the ball over way too much: 3.0 per 36 minutes, a full 50% more than Monta, who’s considered pretty turnover-prone. Basically, Monta had a much, much better season last year than Kevin Durant. Heck, on a per minute basis, Brandan Wright had a much better season than Durant (17.2 PER to 15.8).
Yeah, I’d still gladly trade anyone on the Ws for Kevin Durant, but Berri was talking only about last season. So far, the hype really does outstrip the on-court production.
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peaked in January?
Hi Sleepy, Just reading the tape , it said 26ppg, 22.6ppg, and 22.3ppg. ? Can we see that in candlesticks?
Rebounds from a 2 guard simply looks like the bigmen aren’t doing their job? Should a 2 hafta get that many?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 7, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Right but
PPG is only part of the story, and an overrated part at that.
In summary, my dear Skeptic:
1. You first criticized Monta for leaking out rather than staying at home to get rebounds.
2. Now, when I point out that Monta is actually a damn solid rebounder — better than BD, Jack, or Kevin Durant — you say 2 guards don’t need to rebound.
Sigh. I dunno, I’m sure you don’t “hate” Monta, but you definitely seem to have made up your mind that he’s a mediocre, replaceable part of the team, numbers and evidence be hanged.
As to your question: I’m not sure Monta has to get as many as he does, but I’m pretty sure that boards are like love — no amount is too much. To pararaphrase Burt Bacharach / Hal David…
What the Ws need now
Is boards sweet boards
It’s the only thing that there’s just too little of
(Or, if you’re a Kevin Love fan, replace “boards” with “Love”).
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by Sleepy Freud on Jun 7, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Rebounds per minute seem to be one thing that’s ridiculously consistent in a player’s stats from year to year. The variation is far, far lower than most other stats. In between 0506 and 0607, the change in rpm among players who changed teams (min 500 minutes played) was more or less identical to the change for players on the same squad. It’s true regardless of position.
Saying that the rebounds for guards are a function of the big men they play with simply doesn’t explain this. It appears that players regardless of position get rebounds because of their own abilities. It’s not simply big men not doing their job, else there would be greater variance when players changed teams.
by jae on Jun 7, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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AMEN!
Yi did not show enough in considerable minutes to warrant such a trade. I would go as far as to say that Milwaukee would have to package someone else with Yi to take BW out of Golden State. There is no sense in flippantly trading our lottery pick with our lottery from last year for Yi’s suspect game. I chalk this up to ESPN and other sports writers need to generate gossip and inuendo based purely on speculation. J RICH 4 MVP I am with you and wholeheartedly do not support the Yi movement unless we pick him up cheap (which won’t happen). Pinky, I don’t like the idea of trading away youth in Ellis for an already large contract in Redd, especially when Ellis is a restricted free agent and we will likely be able to get him cheaper than Redd who, correct me if I’m wrong, signed a max contract a few years back. We already don’t want to pay Baron his 17 mil., why go through that same problem again with Redd in a few years if there’s a possibility of locking up Monta long term at a more reasonable price. Redd is a killer, but I don’t think his addition makes us contenders so in my opinion, youth is the way to go for now unless an ALL STAR big man becomes available.
Jumpshot aside
Monte Owns Redd. or will eventually, and shortly.
its like saying you would rather have Reggie Miller in his prime Over Allen iverson in his.
I’d be sorely disappointed if the Warriors traded Wright. He’s definitely got a lot of potential in a fast paced offense and I completely agree that even a straight-up trade would be a ridiculous move. As much as it would benefit the Warriors in terms of marketability, it would severely hurt the faith that the past couple seasons have generated. It would be a huge step back towards the “dark days” and away from the winning tradition that the team seems to be trying to reclaim.
And no way in hell should the Warriors trade Monta. The kid’s still got a long way to develop and will be nearly unstoppable in a couple years. Redd’s good now, but Monta’s the future.
Leave Monta Alone
Michael redd is a great player who I feel would thrive in Nellie’s system, but I wouldn’t want him at the expense of Monta.
Monta as of right now is our future. He’s ungaurdable and his mid-range game is as good as anybody’s in the league. If he ever learns to shoot the three at a respectable percentage he is a 25 point a game player easy.
There is no way Monta gets traded, Muillin is too smart to do that. Those who say he is not worth 10+ million I disagree completely. Give him what he wants please and avoid another Arenas situation.
Not Monta...or anyone
Whoever said that Monta had a “streaky” jump shot is out of their mind. He shot the ball over 53% Is he going to be expensive…yes, and that is no reason to get rid of one of the best off guards in the league. We don’t need Redd, and we sure as hell do not need Yi. We need to address the issues that are constantly exploited on this team. Low post scorer and rebounding…which Wright showed strengths in and can be addressed in the draft. Take a look at who we could possibly get, (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&playerId=19136)
This is the type of player, with immense athleticism and potential, is the kind of player that Mullin, the rest of the front office, and Nellie should be focusing on. Get a good low post presence in the draft, and PLAY THE YOUNG PLAYERS. Love Nellie, but I am afraid he is going to use this last yr to his, and his own benefit, i.e. playing 6-7 players a night and not developing the future talent of the Dubs
Hell has a better chance of freezing over...
Than me wanting that trade. Maybe Yi for the 14th….that’s it. BWright needs to stay here!
YES I AGREE!!!!!
PLZ c mon brandan wright is our future, forget about yi for a moment, brandan has already proven he can be a factor for us in games knowing that he barely had any playing time. Its juss a matter of time until he gains more strength and learns his way around the rim and thats when he can finnaly make a statement.
No Yi!
I like Brandon Wright. I want home grown talent staying here and developing. I am Asian and don’t have a particular attachment to Yi. I don’t want the W’s turning into a sideshow full of novelties. I would love to have Rasheed but also Prince. With his size, defense and outside shooting, I would insert him at the three, move Capt. Jack off the bench and maybe see what we can get for Harrington. Perhaps we can get a Ben Gordon/Duhon and Tyrus Thomas in a sign and trade?
by Ultimate Warrior on Jun 7, 2008 8:50 AM PDT reply actions
Yi is an interesting prospect...
But to give up two first rounders is ridiculous. Just swallow someone’s contract (Simmons or Mason) w/ the TPE (& the #14 pick) and trade Kosta “Zero Threat Position” Perovic for Yi (for salary purposes). That would give the Bucks w/ the #14 pick, a young center w/ (limited) potential and a TPE going into this season. Why would it work? Because Brandan Wright would stay a Warrior… and worse case scenerio is we keep the pick and save the money from taking in a contract.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jun 7, 2008 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
asfd
The Bucks would not get a TPE, it is our TPE, which means we could absorb a bad contract and then the TPE would disappear, it would not mean we would trade the TPE for a player and the Bucks would acquire our TPE, they would just be off the hook for that players salary and also the TPE can not be combined with players, it has to be it’s own separate trade.
Stephen Jackson catches on the wing and faces up against Vujacic. When Jax looks down and sees Vujacic, his eyes light up. He pulls out his nine, screams "Thug Life" and empties the clip, then drives in for a basically uncontested layup.
by J Rich 4 MVP on Jun 7, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
It is our TPE, but once we trade it,
The Bucks would get a TPE in the amount of the salary traded away.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jun 7, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Reason for Yi over Wright
I’m not advocating for the trade by any means. I’m just putting my thoughts out here on why the Dubz would consider such a swap.
1. The Dubz feel that Wright and Biedrins are too similar in terms of what they do on the court (on offense). Neither have jumpshots beyond the key or an arsenal of post moves at this point.
2. The Dubz management and coaching staff might see something that fans don’t see. Maybe they have determined that the ceiling for Wright (as exciting as he is) is a considerable amount lower than Yi’s. Perhaps they feel that Yi, in their system would have the chance to be a star.
3. Pairing up a mobile and athletic 7 footer with outside shooting ability next to Biedrins is too tantalizing to pass up on. It took Yao a couple of seasons to adjust his game to the physicality of the NBA. If Yi adjusts as well, there is no doubt with his skill set, he could be a mighty fine player.
With that being said, I wouldn’t give up Wright and the 14th pick for Yi, but if it was Harrington for Yi, I would do it in a heartbeat.
I really hope they aren’t basing any assumptions about Yi on Yao Ming. Just because they are from the same country doesn’t make them similar whatsoever.
In this case there is some validity
They both have grown up learning to play in the Chinese basketball system. It’s like saying college quarterbacks have to adjust to the speed of the NFL game.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 12, 2008 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Yi
Would be the ideal replacement for Al Harrington, not BWright Future. Yi basically is TMNT — a smooth, multi-talented big man who lacks either the guts, talent, or motor to crash the boards regularly and play consistent defense — only he’s a lot longer and taller than TMNT and still has a fair amount of upside. If we could finaigle a deal like the one Mr. Monday Night proposed, involving Harrington and the #14 for a salary dump and Yi, I’d be all over it. Yi/Wright/Biedrins could be a pretty intriguing, well balanced young frontcourt.
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agree
I’d pay money to see that front court develop
by misterjennings on Jun 7, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that the Harrington & #14...
along with a future 2nd rounder for Gadzuric (another big contract that the Bucks would love to get rid of) and Yi would be a formidable trade. If we were to get rid of Harrington, the TPE & #14 for Yi, we’d have to take back Bobby Simmons AND most likely Gadzuric… which would be tough to swallow. I’d rather keep Harrington around for two seasons than Bobby Simmons. What do you guys think?
by Mr. Monday Night on Jun 7, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Bobby Simmons
if we can get Yi than Harrington because at least Wright will be able to play more and develop. Harrington is indirectly impeding the progress of Wright because management will not pay him 9 mil a year to sit on the bench.
by misterjennings on Jun 7, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok...
Quick thing: So you think that the W’s would rather pay Simmons $10 mil to sit on the bench than pay Harrington to sit on the bench for $10 mil? (gotta check their salary for the upcomming year). At least Harrington can come in and give you meaningful minutes at the 3, 4 AND 5 spot, whether it be to stretch the defense or to provide defense to the one player he can dominate (Yao Ming). Then if you think about it, they’ll still have to take on Gadzuric, who has approx 3 yrs left on an absurd deal? I would either trade Harrington and the #14 or package the TPE and the #14 in a salary dump to get Yi, but I wouldn’t combine both, as it would be salary cap hell and not adventagous to our beloved Warriors.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jun 7, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't.
It significantly cuts into our cap room for 2010. I like Yi and all. But not if we take back both Gadz and Simmons.
I’d rather have Al around for the next two years than Simmons the next two AND Gadz for the next 3.
If Milwaukee is stupid enough to trade Yi for Harrington + 14 + 2nd + TPE or whatever…than that’s cool. But i doubt it. Just ESPN credibility at its finest.
I hope Mullin is looking to either trade up (excluding Wright in all trade talks) or looking to buy a pick in the twenties. The Nets have been taking offers, Utah could sell/trade their pick due to contract extension issues, the Sonics if they don’t like anyone left….
Basically i’d love to get a pick in the twenties to pick up Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush, CDR, or Robin Lopez. These guys are all projected in the twenties (some have attached Rush to PHX however at 15). They’d all fit some sort of need whether it be backup pg, athletic swingman, and/or backup rugged PF/C combo.
Please Mullin. Pretty Please!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
Chalmers?
Is he really projected that high? I was thinking mid- 2nd round. If he goes in the first round, that last shot he hit earned him a couple hundred thousand extra.
He's shot up draft boards.
I’d think he’s a first rounder. He could drop to the second round, but he’s a first round talent all the way.
He was arguably the best guard defender in the NCAA. He shot the ball well his whole college career, and he’s money at the end of the game.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
good to know
I didnt know Chalmers was considered that good defensively, I thought he just got by defensively on relative quickness and thought his best case scenario was something like Eddie House 2.0, which isnt all that bad either, but probably wouldnt have been 1st round material.
Potential
I think B wright has way more Potential then Yi. I agree with the people that say this Yi trade is to bring in a new source of income from fans, because that seems like the only feasible explanation.
Maybe its just me, but i can envision a Ripped B Wright sharing the paint with Biedrins. Once B Wright bulks up a bit i think we would regret getting Yi.
Let's tweak this rumor a bit
Reading Chad Ford’s articles for a while, it was pretty easy to see that this was more of a balloon floated by Milwaukee. Assuming this means some interest on their part to move out of their pick, how about the following:
Trade Wright +14 for Yi +8
Draft Love with #8.
So then we get Yi and Love for Wright and whoever we would have gotten at 14. I’d take that combination. While I love Wright’s potential, I’m buying into the arguments that he and Biedrins are not complementary enough to play on the court at the same time. Plus he is one of the few chips we have that we can cash in to get a player. With Love slimming down and showing more athleticism than previously assumed, I think that he would make a good fit on the Dubs.
ok
I wouldnt mind that deal, but I doubt the Bucks would be willing. They might be willing to part with Villanueva instead of Yi though. And youre also assuming Love will be thaer at 8, which is a fairly big assumption considering he love he’s getting from Minny and Memphis right now.
i got the idea
from Chad Ford’s recent Mock Draft (4.0) I think. With the Heat showing interest in Mayo at 2, that may cause someone (Memphis) to trade up for Beasley. That takes out one of the teams who like Love. The other team is Minnesota, and its a crapshoot as to whether they go for Love or for Brook Lopez. I think Al Jefferson and Love are a little like Curry and Randolph for the Knicks, while Lopez might give the T-wolves some more size.
Its a stretch, but that’s what blogs are for. :)
yea i agree
I dont think Love would be a good fit in Minny at all and a trade with Memphis makes all the sense in the world for Miami if they are that high on Mayo.
you never know with mchale
i’d say that both love and lopez are bad fits in mn because they aren’t defense oriented players and they desperately need a 5 who can d someone up because jefferson certainly can’t. that said, mchale is an atrocious gm who is liable to make a terrible decision with the 3. with new york getting walsh, billy king out in philly, and atlanta moving on to a new gm, can we officially say that mchale is far and away the worst gm in the nba? don’t count on him to make the right call under any circumstance.
might have been the best deal he made as gm in a while
that trade could have been much worse. jefferson is a legit player and a lot younger than kg, gomes isn’t bad, telfair isn’t good, but he at least got a temp point guard for this past year. there certainly were better deals, though. this trade probably only cost them 5 to 7 games last year, making it fantastic by mchale standards and it might even HELP the team down the line. amazing. the lesson here is that the best mchale move is a really low bar to set.
it really wasnt THAT bad of a trade. Young big guys with crazy post game like Jefferson arent exactly common. Gomes should be a solid role player. They couldve done a lot worse…like lose Garnett for nothing.
exactly
but not that bad is much different than the best deal available, which according to most sources he had a few better offers on the table. i agree that garnett needed to be moved and jefferson is a rare talent who helps them a lot down the road, my wording of that post upon reread was harsher than was necessary.
what better offers?
seriously I’m curious. Other than possibly getting the same deal from Boston plus the draft pick that they traded for Allen. I dont think anyone else offered anything like Jefferson. Even if the warriors did offer Monta which isnt really known, I think McHale still wouldve had to take the offer built around a big guy.
it's all rumor, of course but,
the offer built around monta was great and included harrington and at least one first rounder. chicago a couple years back could have given them deng and chandler along picks and spare parts. that one seems like the best i heard. maybe i heard wrong about exactly what was on the table, and obviously i don’t remember every offer that was discussed in the media (much less behind closed doors), so it’s possible that was the best deal out there. whether or not it was the best, it still has been unjustly massacred in the public eye. all i am saying is that if the chicago deal really was being floated, mchale was insane not to do it. it was clear long before last summer that garnett and the team were better off parting ways.
Boston's offer was better than the Dubs... sorry
Monta (before this past year) vs. Al Jefferson as the main parts? Al wins by a landslide. The Celts gave them a good solid young role player in Gomes as well as 11M in cap space in Ratliff and a draft pick. What, pray tell were the Warriors offering that was better than that? Certainly not Monta & Beans. Chicago might have had a better offer a few years ago, but not last year. And if they wanted it, they could have had it. I just don’t think they wanted to part with Deng, etc.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 13, 2008 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions
there actually were whispers
about biedrins being included with monta, we’ll never know he really was offered, but it may have been a possibility. tough call, but i’d say monta, dris, and a first rounder, makes up the better deal. once again, if it’s accurate.
it is kind of strange to be having this lengthy of a discussion about trade possibilities for a trade that already happened.
Lopez
isnt a bad defender. And he certainly has the potential to be a pretty good one. I think he’s a solid fit for Minny since he’s a true 5 and allows Jefferson to move to his natural spot at the 4. 3 might be a little high to take Lopez though. A 3 way trade with Memphis and Miami makes a lot of sense. (Memphis gives up some combination of Miller, Crittenton, Warrick, or their 2nd first round pick and gets Beasley. Miami moves down a spot and gets Mayo plus a player or two, and Minny jumps back a couple spots and grabs Lopez plus another draft pick or a player)
he isn't a bad defender
just not a great one either and with jefferson providing all the offense they will need in the post, i just think they’d be better served taking bayless, hoping he grows to be a floor general type point who can score, which he is capable of becoming, and trying to track down a true center who is a great defender. post players who defend are easier to find than ones who score, so it wouldn’t be too tall of an order. in any case, they are a long way from being a contender, with lots of holes. no rookie is saving that team next year or even the year after.
you never know
If Miami is as in love with Mayo as they seem to be and pass on Beasley, Minny could garner some pretty good trade offers for the pick or try playing him at the 3. If Foye and/or Brewer breaks out and becomes the player they’re capable of being they could have a solid squad in a couple years. Foye, McCants, Gomes, Jefferson, Brewer, maybe even Telfair. Its a nice young group. They could use another real impact player, but the foundation seems to be there. Unfortunately they are in the west, but they are headed the right direction. If they opt not to go big with the 3rd pick and Rose/Beasley go 1-2, I’d take Mayo over Bayless. Bayless is a truer PG and Mayo may duplicate Foye/McCants somewhat but he’s the better player imo.
mayo is more talented
so that’s a real option too, but if they are sold on foye being a part of that team long term, which it seems they are, they need a point guard badly. i think bayless is a better fit because of that. unfortunately for wolves fans, mchale thinks foye is the answer at the point, which is foolish. he’s much better as a two. mccants has never been impressive, so at no stage in the draft discussion should anyone in that front office say “but we already have mccants.” and you’re right, they could be solid in a couple years (although i wouldn’t include brewer on a list of guys who will be their core, he looked awful last year), but most of the teams at the bottom of the conference are heading in the right direction. it will be tough for them and they need a lot of breaks and careful planning. neither of which are characteristic of that organization.
Brewer did look bad, but he’s athletic and should at least be a solid defender. McCants could be a good bench scorer, but youre right they shouldnt base their draft on him at all. Mayo/Bayless comes down to how they think each could adjust to playing PG I guess. Bayless has shown a little bit more there, but I think Mayo could certainly do it.
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by goldenstatewarriors on Jun 17, 2008 2:29 PM PDT reply actions
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Whats going on with this website it changed big time. No more open Bloq, its become corporatized and I wonder who’s making all the money. I’ve notice alot of the post are old posts and very boring posts…what happen to the original Golden State of Mind?
Where are you guys????
To much marketing and advertising this site is going down hill….
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by goldenstatewarriors on Jun 17, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply actions
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by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 17, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang!
Is this a self replicating post? I’ve seen it on about 3 or 4 topics??
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 17, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
somebody is bitter at being told to do something differently
look, first of all, there is no such thing as free speech on a private blog. your speech is regulated based on the terms and conditions you approved when you created an account. you might want to check back when you first created your account.
secondly, if everything is so old and boring, why are you coming here and why is it sooo important for you to post your insights about Artest and Yi (which given that they have been mentioned a few times) seems to fit in the “old” posts category.
third, just stop spamming. its annoying and all it does is piss people off, if you’re looking for any sort of listening and/or sympathy, you just lost it by posting the same thing across different threads.
Seriously man...
You might be booted for posting the same inflammatory post on three or four different threads. Email the mods if you’ve got a question, and as Atma said above, they just asked you to move it to a different section. Sheesh.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 18, 2008 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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