It’s intensely hard to get a big man as young and as good as Beans. Plus, I’d miss the hair too much

i’d like to see Monta be the guy, but i do hear what you’re all saying about Biedrins.

It’s got to be Monta though.

In a more conventional, non-Nellie universe, Biedrins is by far the more valuable talent.

Biedrins has the agility and quickness to play power forward on any other squad in the league. He’s only a post and strength liability on our team because he’s forced to play center. I believe he’d be more effective as a PF and his weaknesses are magnified by playing center for us.

On the other hand, Monta Ellis will have trouble in this league unless he fully does transition to being a serviceable PG. Monta Ellis at SG will just plain not work on a functional, championship-calibur squad. Unlike Biedrins, I think Ellis would suffer on another team because nobody would be willing to play him at SG. He truly is a product of our system. (This is all assuming he won’t be able to transition to PG, which he might.)

says that we have to make a trade. We have a good young team and we don’t have to make a trade at all. Can someone please explain to me why we would make a trade?

Currently as of this minute we can’t afford to lose Monta because he’s the only player on our roster that has played substantial minutes at PG. Normally I’d say Monta because young and talented big men don’t come as often as young and talented guards. I’m putting in “luck” as a factor if I were to let go of Monta because Atlanta landed Joe Johnson in a trade and we got Monta (and Gilbert) in the 2nd round. Monta does have the “IT” factor about him though but in a traditional system dominated by the front line the guards aren’t as important.

I’d say Bean’s even though he is hard to let go of because he’s our most reliable big man and he’s young which means he still has a lot of room to improve. Croshere and Turiaf would be “okay” choices at center considering the wing dominated system Nellie likes to play. If we do get Turiaf, resign Croshere, and keep Al we’d have a serviceable line up at center.

I’d say to give up Monta if we were in a traditional system and had a PG already but we have Nellie as our coach.

I thought the primary reason we traded away Jrich was so we would have enough money to sign Beans and Monta without getting into the luxury tax? This idea that we can only keep one is stupid.

cuz i would be open to trading both of them. to answer your question though warriorsvictim who i would rather lose i lose monta. monta could be relplaced alot easier than beans. i think monta will be a good scorer and an allstar but nothing more. i dont see him being the type of player that would be a difference maker for a team to become a championship team. he has almost all the physical tools to be but he is missing alot of the intangibles. so i trade him first.

Who of the two has a top tier skill set and potential…Monta. AB (come on guys, let’s not ignore the limits to this guys skill set) has a much lower ceiling on what he can do.

From what I’m reading, it seems that folks are nervous about trading a C that has performed well statistically and not being able to find a viable C to replace him (traditional or even a-traditional, serviceable C’s are hard to find). But if we are indeed playing for the future, wouldn’t we want to hold onto the commodity with the biggest upside. I’m sorry fellas, but I’m having a hard time seeing what major improvements a young AB is going to make to his game. He’ll never be a real C on defense because of the lack of size and muscle (can’t match up to the beasts at PF or C). He regressed as a rim defender last year to an alarming degree. He will never develop offensive game outside of 7 feet and certainly never a turnaround jumper (something I think a guy of his lean physique needs to be an offensive threat). Sure, AB is quick around the rim, has pretty good footwork and great hands but he thrives in space. Several factors are or could be in play that would limit that space next year.

ME is a top tier explosive guy. He has a talent that is not as easily replaceable as others lead on. I can’t think of a faster player in the NBA. Seems to me that this is the identity of this team and ME is the perfect catalyst.

Sorry for the scattered posts. Just don’t have the time to sit and put together a diary style post today and I feel like I’ve been saying this stuff for a year and a half now.

In conclusion and to the chagrin of pragmatists on this site, I smell a real shake-up coming…something large to help solidify the identity of this team and its coach. I’m definitely hoping for it…