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Whither art thou, Option Zero?

Oh, for the good old days of Golden State of Mind when Option Zero would cram his opinions down everybody's throat. I must have missed the straw that broke the camel's back and sent him scrambling off the island, but...

 

Star-divide

So much for his man love of Kelenna Azubuike. Kelenna was the second coming of... who knows who according to him and the JRich trade was sheer genius, he would say (over and over again) because, in addition to freeing up cap space, it would give Kelenna his chance to shine.

Now, Barron is gone (as many of us predicted at the time of the JRich trade), Kaz leaving and the last great hope for a long time for this team wasted away at the end of the '07-'08 season on Davis's tired legs.

Has anyone checked what's left of the roster? If we have a weak starting lineup, we have no (and I mean zero, none, nada) bench. I have been a warriors fan since I was in diapers and "Rick Barry" was one of my first words, but the Dubz are going to have a rough go this year.

With the expiration of the trade exception, the not-quite-fulfillment of expectations held by some for Kelenna and now his imminent departure, the karma-esque departure of BD, the JRich trade has been shown for what it really was -- the hallmark of incompetence of Mulson. If we had an owner who gave a crud, Mullie would be out of here and the rebuilding would truly begin (again).

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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let's pray

that our young guys do what they’re doing in summer league. i’m not saying marco needs to score 30 a night but if he, wright and randolph get solid minutes i think our bench will be alright. When wright came in games towards the end of the season, i liked what i saw. those long arms of his get every block. With Buke getting an offer from the clippers, i think we’ll know where Marco stands if we don’t match clippers offer. I’m sure the dubs expect bigger things from marco this season and most likely give him much more PT.

by Young Moolah on Jul 18, 2008 11:24 AM PDT   0 recs

let's pray!!

Yeah when all hope is gone everyone looks skyward! I say let’s pray there’s no big guy up there cause if there is he’s gonna be pissed !!

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Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

mullie is OK in my book.

Don’t blame mullin for Barron’s departure. Our line up isn’t as week as you want to believe .I think this line up can beat any of the other non-BD lineups we have had since the run tmc days.This is gonna be a transitional year but we still might make the 8 spot.

by gsw-fanatic on Jul 18, 2008 11:37 AM PDT   0 recs

man....

this lineup is a 30 win lineup, there’s no way we’re getting the 8 seed.

And I highly doubt that randolph gets significant burn. He’s look alright in summer league, he has some skills, but the guy is RAW. Playing like that against nba-level defense would lead to so many turnovers.

by kinetic on Jul 18, 2008 11:41 AM PDT   0 recs

I don’t think we’re making the playoffs either, but I think it’s a lot more likely than finishing 30-52.

We were 48-34 last year. As of right now, we’re losing Baron and Pietrus, and gaining Maggette and (almost definitely) Turiaf… Azubuike’s up in the air, and obviously a couple other things will change as well. (I agree that Randolph won’t be relevant this season.)

Baron/Pietrus for Maggette/Turiaf is obviously a big downgrade. I’d rather have Turiaf on my team than Pietrus, but Baron is much more valuable than Maggette.

But do you really think we got eighteen games worse with those changes? I don’t see it. The current lineup looks to be superior to last year’s in rebounding, defense and scoring efficiency. We have several young guys who could take steps forward in their play, and nobody who seems likely to take a step back.

We’re much worse off in playmaking and leadership, and those are two huge things. Those things could - and probably will - kill our chances at making the playoffs. And it’s true that we struggled mightily last year when Baron wasn’t on the floor. But I don’t think there’s an eighteen-game difference between Baron Davis and Corey Maggette. I think we’re currently in the 37-40-win range, and will probably be a .500-caliber team by the time the season starts.

by onlxn on Jul 18, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

eighteen games worse with those changes?

If we are only 8 games worse we’ll be out of it. Is Magette/turiaf(if we get him) a better rebounding pair than Boom and pietrus? How is losing Boom , pest-r-us, and maybe KaBuki improving our defense? Will Magette’s scoring efficiency score more points than Booms play?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 12:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we are only 8 games worse we’ll be out of it.

Agreed. I’m not saying .500’s a great place to be… I’m just saying that’s roughly where I see us.

Is Magette/turiaf(if we get him) a better rebounding pair than Boom and pietrus?

Yes, in the sense that the position shifts get Jackson out of the frontcourt.

I don’t know if this is still true, but going into last season, Jackson was the worst rebounder for his height in NBA history (assuming a certain minimum number of games played). I mean, he’s an insanely bad rebounder. Maggette’s not a plus rebounder, but he’s not the gaping hole that Jackson is. Monta/Jackson/Maggette/Al/Biedrins is a better rebounding lineup than Baron/Monta/Jackson/Al/Biedrins. Turiaf isn’t an elite rebounder either, but he’ll also help some.

How is losing Boom , pest-r-us, and maybe KaBuki improving our defense?

The Baron/Monta backcourt was horrible defensively… a Monta/Jackson backcourt will be significantly better, and replacing Jackson with Maggette doesn’t make the frontcourt all that much worse. We’ll miss aspects of Pietrus’ defense, but we’ll enjoy aspects of Turiaf’s. I love Buike and hope we keep him, but I certainly don’t think we’d miss his defense.

We’re not a great rebounding or defensive team now, but we should be better than we were a year ago at both. That should be factored in.

Will Magette’s scoring efficiency score more points than Booms play?

Definitely not… that trade’s a big downgrade for the offense. But Maggette’s offensive strengths shouldn’t be glossed over—we now have a very effective weapon we didn’t have a year ago. Maggette’s not a guy who shoots you out of games the way Baron sometimes does. That doesn’t mean he’s better than Baron… it doesn’t even mean he’s as good as Baron, because he’s obviously not. But it’s a silver lining.

We’re worse than we were a year ago. We will struggle without Baron. But there’s just too much talent on this team for it to actually be terrible.

by onlxn on Jul 18, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Thanks

Good insights.

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Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maggette's defense...

Isn’t that the reason why the Clippers were so down on him… because they found out he couldn’t provide adequate defense? Now Baron is not the best defender in the world, but he sure is hell better defensively and more physical than Corey Maggette. Defensively, we take a huge step back. Sure… Jax is now in the backcourt w/ Monta, but that still leaves Maggette to defend the 3… which he hasn’t been able to do efficiently. Jax/Monta/Baron are defensively better than Monta/Jax/Maggette. Think about it is all I ask… think about it.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 18, 2008 8:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ok...

maybe not 18 games worse, but I’d be very surprised to see the warriors win more than 35 games. I do not have high hopes for Monta playing the point. I’d love to see him gain the experience necessary to someday become a legitimate PG, but I think it’s gonna be a while and it’s not going to be pretty.

I might be overestimating his impact, but the entire offense ran through Baron. Without him, I think the warriors are going to look lost for a while. In the half-court set, Baron was the only chance to get a shot off. Monta has trouble driving and creating his own shot when the defense is already set. Without baron driving and kicking out, the warriors turn into a stand-around and shoot 3’s team.

by kinetic on Jul 18, 2008 5:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I KNOW

year 2 of 13 without making playoffs again. let’s hope for a big trade or signing

by SIZE 15 on Jul 18, 2008 2:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The hallmark of incompetence?

Really?

I love J-Rich and would love to have kept him, but if we hadn’t moved him, chances are we’d have to choose between Monta and Beans this summer, and I wouldn’t trade either of them to get Jason back.

I do think Mullie should have been more willing to extend both Monta and Beans last summer though, as it seems likely we could have gotten them both locked up cheaper a year ago than we will be able to now.

Livin in the E

by ebot on Jul 18, 2008 12:23 PM PDT   0 recs

if we hadn’t moved him, chances are we’d have to choose between Monta and Beans this summer

and chances are we’d be coming off another playoff season and would be happy!

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

1st-2nd round round maybe

But we’d still be facing Sophie’s Choice.

I’m happier missing the playoffs this year and keeping Monta and Beans, who we can build around for years to come.

Livin in the E

by ebot on Jul 18, 2008 12:43 PM PDT   0 recs

actually

We still coulda kept Monta and Beans. We just wouldn’t have been able to acquire Maggette.

by YaHeard on Jul 18, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We've been "building around [guys] for years to come" since 1994

Or at least for the last 6 years. I wanted another playoff team.

by chacabuco on Jul 18, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

come on guys

you’re underestimating the Maggette acquisition. He was 11th in scoring in the league last year, he is a stud. We still have Jackson. Monta and Biedrins should take another step (possibly a leap) towards what we all project them to be, same can be said with Wright and Bellinelli. Randolph can play, Turiaf is a bruiser. We all know if Harrington gets it going he can be a real nice scoring threat.

Maggette replaces Baron’s scoring, yes Baron brought a lot to the table besides scoring, but thats where other guys such as monta and Jackson can step up in.

Warriors might not be a 50 win team like they practically were last year, but they should be solid.

by Agent Zero on Jul 18, 2008 1:10 PM PDT   0 recs

How could anyone ever take OZ

seriously when he claimed that Kelenna azabuike was better, yes BETTER than Jason Richardson. He was a fool.

by Agent Zero on Jul 18, 2008 1:12 PM PDT   0 recs

Haha

One thing he knew how to do was go overboard to make a point.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 18, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Come now

Show a little respect for the deceased. ;-)

If you post on a blog long enough you’re bound to say more a few things that look silly in retrospect.

OZ could be a royal pain. “Fool” ... not so much.

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 18, 2008 3:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

okay since your giving him so much respect calling him DEAD. haha yes everything you did say should look silly in retrospect.

by Agent Zero on Jul 25, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't quite remember but..

Did he say that Kelenna was actually better? I thought he said Kelenna/Monta could replace Jrich’s production.

And also, he may have been blatantly overexaggerating Kelenna’s talents to equal that of the Jrich homers out there.

You never know with him, he was quite clever.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 18, 2008 4:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey look...

somebody who gets it.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 18, 2008 10:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

thats how it started out at first but

over the course of the argument he actually started bashing Jrich because he wasn’t “efficient” and said that Kellenna azabuike who was soooo “effecient” could easily yes easily score over 20 a game if he had the shots JRich had.

OZ didn’t understand that
1) If you shoot more shots and are expected to create your own shots, you shoot more difficult shots and your team needs your scoring, your not going to have as high of a fg% as if you just picked your spots and were an open catch and shoot player.
2) It probably takes just as much talent if not more to create offense and get your shot off against the best athletes in the world than it is to actually make a shot.
3) JRich created how own offense where Azabuike was more of a catch and shoot player and a pretty good slasher when he caught the ball and the defense was already out of position and he had a lane already created for him to go to the basket.
4) After a nice start of the season azabuike ended up panning out, was a fringe rotation player, and his “phenominal efficiency” dropped to be pretty average.

Now i am no JRich Homer. I love and respect him for everything great that he did for the dubs, but i have moved on. I just believe that OZ either never played the game of basketball or was never good and doesn’t understand the different aspects and different skills required to score the basketball, and he put too much value on statistics.

by Agent Zero on Jul 25, 2008 9:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hold On

I know we all love speculating on wins, but it is especially premature when so many roster spots are up for grabs and trades opportunities are still available. Plus there are keys questions that will be answered within a few weeks of the season:
1. Now that Baron is gone, can Monte really be a playmaker as the #1 guy?
2. Will Harrington now be able to drive and be the playmaker that we signed because Baron will no longer be dominating the basketball?
3. Will Magette be able to be to drive to the hole and get fouled consistently without a real lowpost presence (Kaman, etc.)? Will the freethrows help our offense or stagnate the offense?
4. Will Marco/Wright/Randolph be the playmakers/creaters off the bench that we need when we go through our regular scoring droughts?

I’m all for figuring these things out during the season then really assessing our team and what changes are required to be a title contender – not just a playoff team.

by terryteagle on Jul 18, 2008 1:29 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 18, 2008 1:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Will Magette be able to be to drive to the hole and get fouled consistently without a real lowpost presence (Kaman, etc.)?

Uh, wouldn’t the floor being spread more favor Maggette?

by Nellieball on Jul 18, 2008 11:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not exactly...

without a low post presence the center can spend more time focusing on challenging shots.

by kinetic on Jul 19, 2008 12:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I would agree with you if Adonal was still our center, but Andris has very good hands and good instincts so he can take the dump off pass or follow up a missed shot and have a clear lane. Andris kills when you do not pay attention to him. With the floor spread, players are able to get into the paint and then the defense has to collapse. While Maggette does not exactly have great court vision, with the floor spread so much, the passes are not difficult to make to make.

I think the Warriors overpaid Maggette, but he is going to make a killing in our offensive system.

by Nellieball on Jul 20, 2008 7:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the counter to that is simple

spread the floor. beat your man off the dribble then when Anris’s man slides over to the lane to help, Andris with is great instincts and high basketball IQ knows exactly where to be and cuts to the rim uncontested for the dump off pass and a dunk

or

the center slides over but is out of position. tries to make a play on Maggette and mags creates contact and goes to the free throw line.

by Agent Zero on Jul 25, 2008 9:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m all for figuring these things out during the season

I wish basketball was like baseball where we draft the kids then send them away for years and don’t hafta watch them till they are major league ready. It’s not my idea of fun to watch someone like Randolf figure out if he’s strong enough for the NBA or if he really needs to gain weight. ( Belinelli last year was enough of that show to last awhile)

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 1:51 PM PDT   0 recs

U can't tell me

that watching ellis and biedrins develop wasn’t fun. if randolph shows the same potential, than u got to be excited! that’s 3 legit young guns that may be future all stars. if one doesn’t pan out than maybe wright will take it’s place as an all star. three all stars on a team seems to be the recipe of sucess if u don’t have a dominant center like shaq or duncan.

i know i am pushing it a little, but it soo damn exciting when u do.

much more exciting than the humdrum bullshiet bout trying to make the playoffs.

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 18, 2008 2:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

watching ellis and biedrins develop wasn’t fun?

Yeah, Dris’s free throws were the things dreams are made of. And Montay’s turnovers were must see TV. No, I’d rather they just showed up now with their honed skills and go out and make the playoffs. Nothing is better than having a gift wrapped BoomDizzle show up on our doorstep ready to play.

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Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i would say "Get Lost"???

The Boom inspired we believe year was the most fun we’ve had with a Warriors team since 1975, and you didn’t appreciate it?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 5:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Times

True that! I will say those were some really fun times! We were season Ticket holders that year- shoot we gave up our annual trip 2 Hawaii for season tix and didn’t miss one game! Can’t be mad at all.

by Tony.psd on Jul 18, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i appreciate it

but that was then and now is now

-is Boom capable to inspire one more WE BELIEVE year?
i mean he is great and talented athlete -but as leader he is one of worst team players

what i want to say -one of best moments 07/08 was Barons last second shot against BOS home -actually i believe if he would be better team player -here was no need for last second shot -Warriors should win this game with about +5<br />also -remember Spurs Warriors when Dubs won it in OT? -Dubs should won this game without OT

-i just believe that basketball is team game not star contest
-immature leadership is overrated

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 19, 2008 3:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry 4 double post

i appreciate it

but that was then and now is now

-is Boom capable to inspire one more WE BELIEVE year?
i mean he is great and talented athlete -but as leader he is one of worst team players

what i want to say -one of best moments 07/08 was Barons last second shot against BOS home -actually i believe if he would be better team player -here was no need for last second shot -Warriors should win this game with about +5
also -remember Spurs Warriors when Dubs won it in OT? -Dubs should won this game without OT

-i just believe that basketball is team game not star contest
-immature leadership is overrated

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 19, 2008 3:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

please. please do explain

how is Baron a bad leader and a bad team player. please this should be interesting.

by Agent Zero on Jul 25, 2008 9:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I see

you’d rather have ur wife give birth to an 18 yrd old, kick him out of the house immediately to get a job so he can support u, and spend the rest of ur life on the couch sucking on beer watching the warriors barely miss the playoffs.

not so bad. where do i sign up?

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 18, 2008 4:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

spend the rest of ur life on the couch sucking on beer watching the warriors barely miss the playoffs.

you were describing heaven till you said “miss the playoffs” then the beer went flat, the wife got fat, and the boy just sat.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 18, 2008 5:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

some thought

-right now Warriors has nice rotation of bigs
-Turiaf/ Biedrins/ Al/ Wright/ Hendrix
-while in 07/08 part of this rotation was almost retired CWebb and Austin Wheelchair

also -Baron is gone -that gives more space for team game and coach authority

Dubs 08/09 about .500 Western team -IMO

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 18, 2008 2:44 PM PDT   0 recs

basically...

we will be the rebuilding team that ends up with the best record and possibly finishes 8th seed if we’re lucky. Monta/Bellinelli/Randolph/Wright/Biedrins= Warriors Starting Lineup: 2010 NBA Champions

by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Jul 18, 2008 6:55 PM PDT   0 recs

whoa

give this guy the optimism award

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Jul 19, 2008 2:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Warriors Starting Lineup: 2010 NBA Champions

Well, Dreams ARE cheaper than reality

Till I get free
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Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 19, 2008 8:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

We better hope the rest of the NBA gets a lot worse.

by 15thefuture8 on Jul 19, 2008 2:11 AM PDT   0 recs

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