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reality check: Where things stand

I don't actually expect 50% of the people posting to read this and pay attention, but to save some time for rebuttals to the numerous "we shouldas" that are going to flood in.

 

1 "We shoulda made that Detroit trade [Baron and anyone for Billups and Wallace]" 

reality:  No such trade ever existed or was ever possible.  Baron was not a tradeable commodity as his opt out clause made trades contractually illegal *unless* he was willing to officially waive his opt-out. That wasn't going to happen, so we couldn't have traded him.

2 "If he opted out earlier, we could have used the TE."

reality: Using the TE would have been stupid if we knew he was going to opt out.  If we had used the TE, we'd have less cap space at this point to pursue other options.  It would be reduced by whatever price we paid to a guy with the TE.  Sure, we'd have whatever player we got with the TE, but nothing prevents us from using the cap space to get that same player now.  This situation is better in that we're not limited by the $10mil top dollar that the TE had *and* we're not limited to acquiring players in trades.  Cap space is more valuable than a TE.

3 "If we knew he was opting out, we coulda drafted a point guard." 

reality: this is true, but this draft wasn't exactly rich in point guards to draft.  Rose wasn't available.  The point guards available would have required a trade up and/or were combo guards (e.g. Augustin, Westbrook,  Bayless).  The solutions weren't there in the draft to replace Baron.  We might have gone after a second rounder at the point, but that's not a solution either. Odds of a second rounder being able to do more than come in as a limited minute backup is low.  We'd be in more or less the same position had we gone after Chalmers or someone similar.  This could be marginally better, but only marginally.  More likely we'd simply have a worthless point guard instead of Hendrix.  Evaluate that as you see fit.

 

4 "The timing screwed us"

reality: the timing didn't matter.  Only thing that could have changed with the timing is that Mullin could have made a lousy trade with the TE in panic that would leave us in the same position now, but without as much cap room.

 

5 "We shoulda done <fill in the blank> before <fill in the blank>

reality: this was about money.  The Clippers were wiling to invest money in Davis.  They're willing to take the gamble on the back end of the deal.  They may not be as scared of another 50 game season from Baron when he's making $15mil a season to rehab his knees/back.  Yes, this will hurt the Warriors in that we won't have him.  But there's a real equation that has to be made.  I'm not sure that there's a right answer; There's certainly not a simple answer, but the only way Baron was going to come back here was if the offer on the table was for more cash.

 

So here's where things stand: 

A: We're going to have cap room, somewhere between $10 and $20 million depending on where the cap is set, what we decide to do with Pietrus and the POB (and perhaps Perovic heading home on a buyout).  That's money to go shopping.  Contracts are coming for Ellis and Biedrins but they'll be signed late because their cap holds are low (especially for Ellis) relative to what they're likely to get.  The biggest worry is another team swooping in and offering them something we'd have to match, as an offer sheet signed means the cap hold is replaced with the offer sheet dollars.

 

[Fantasy Junkie, if you're reading this.  My fiendish strategy to screw the Warriors was for them to offer a contract to Ellis, forcing us to match so we'd have reduced cap room once Davis left.  It wasn't guaranteed to get them Davis, but it was guaranteed to either lose Davis or Ellis, likely without cap room, or push into lux tax territory.  It's all about business, but I suspect that such a move would have been nasty enough that the fraternity of owners would have frowned that sort of move out of existance.]

B: There aren't point guards on the market (save perhaps Gil) worth that sort of change, so that hole needs to be filled through trade. Trades don't have to have the salaries match though because we've got cap space. 

C: Were I Rowell/Mullin/Cohan, I'd look into tampering to see if the Clippers made an under the table deal with Ramasar/Davis ahead of the opt out.  Seems like everyone was covering their ass (e.g. texting that he wanted to stay, LAC saying they wanted to keep Mags) but what the hell, so long as he's going to make it all about business, make it all about business and make sure that the business was on the up and up by the rules.  He ain't coming back, but wouldn't it be great if we could screw over the Clips and Davis?  Yeah, long shot, but I'm feeling spiteful this morning.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Good Post

I always wondered if there was a rule that forbid under the table negotiations. It sounded like there was with the mavs/nets trade for J Kidd when dallas was planning to resign Stackhouse after they traded him away.

If there is a rule that forbids secret negotiations, maybe that’ll be our last chance at retaining Baron. Or maybe the warriors will finally give in to Baron and give him what he wants. Since it was only a verbal agreement to the clips, I won’t believe Baron is officially gone until it’s official. I still believe.

by MAZarate21 on Jul 2, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Do you really think he would still wanna play for us. instead of being good baron most of the time and bad baron sometimes, he would be BAD baron all the time.

by jakeaco on Jul 5, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for being the voice of reason

and wouldn’t want to compete with such a fiendish GM!

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by hardcore on Jul 2, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice JAE,

However, this is day ole stale news. We have moved on. The paralysis of analysis is great from the couch. Time to get up and move with the 20M shopping spree.

Again good analysis.. 90 plus percent correct.

by streetballer on Jul 2, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell of a post

Realistic, not too emotional. Love it man. Realize now that the Warriors have flexibility… they in MANY MANY ways are like the Giants (sans the horrible deals that are on the books). They are young, been talking about playing young talent for awhile that has a chance to win, and who knows? Add one ore two more pieces on the table and we are going to have a great base, good core for years, and be right back to making a splash in the west. Ya, im WAY too optimistic… but right now why not? Better than crying about what we had zero reasonable control over (and dont say that offering Baron more money and more years is smart… we give him 5 years and we might as well make him our opening day lefty if you know what I mean)

by pinkycheal on Jul 2, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

The GIANTS

lost to the Angels in the worst World Series ever. But I do get where you’re going. The Bay Area got screwed by two second-rate LA squads.

by thecitygirl on Jul 2, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

JAE

Thanks for taking the time to put things back in perspective for us. Great post.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 2, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Yea seriously we needed

one of these too many cry babies posting things that are unrealistic and I guess they really aren’t good fans if they have no faith in our team now when they say they have been waiting for 12 years for that one playoff run. This is the way of the NBA and besides 2010 big names such as Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade and other big time players will be available, is that what were going for? I don’t know but maybe Mullin wants the young’ns to play now so that when the time comes to pick up the vets, were on our way to the ship.

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 2, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, good post

The more I think about it, the more good things I see here.

We’re in bad shape PG-wise for this season, enough so to make the playoffs extremely unlikely (I don’t see us being able to add a real difference-making PG in a trade). That’s a bummer… we’re all pretty playoff-starved. I am too. I don’t like the idea of this being a down-cycle year.

But the good thing is, at least we know what kind of team we are now. Going into this offseason, we had six really relevant players: three vets (Baron, Jax, Al) and three young’uns (Monta, Biedrins, Wright). It was a little bit of a schizo roster… not a bad one, by any means, but one with split purposes… it wasn’t clear if we were building for now or for later. With the departure of Baron, it’s clear: we’re building for later. And I think that’s the smarter call.

Given the hardball Mullin’s playing, it sure looks like Monta and Biedrins will be coming back into the fold for fairly reasonable amounts. Wright’s on a rookie contract, as is Randolph, who’s certainly a “later” kind of guy even in the rosiest scenarios. We probably won’t be able to trade Jax, which is fine by me – he gives us leadership and some defensive flexibility – but Al will probably be moved at some point. I’d personally like to see us hold onto him for a year, just because I think he’d be a dynamite expiring contract value, but if we can get something for him now, so much the better. There should be little trouble in re-signing Azubuike… guys like Marco, Watson and Hendrix fill out the second unit well enough for a rebuilding team.

We’ll need a point guard and a skilled bruiser to fill this team out properly, but the good news is, we have the space and flexibility to make that happen in the next year or two. Next year’s draft looks to be PG-rich—we’re likely to have a good pick, but even if we don’t, commodities like Al’s expiring contract could help us move up a bit. The skilled bruiser is tougher, but barring any rash signings, we’ll be a FA player in the summer of 2010, when a lot of top guys will be available.

This upcoming season probably won’t be a successful one, but I like how things are looking. If I have any beef with the front office, it’s actually with these histrionics over Arenas and now Brand. I just don’t see the point in getting the fanbase breathless over big free agent names… it only increases pressure to make some sort of big “now” move when those guys sign elsewhere. Other than getting somebody to play PG, I don’t really have a problem with the team avoiding “now” moves. “Later” is starting to look pretty interesting.

by onlxn on Jul 2, 2008 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree that it’s probably a better time to wait and see rather than make a rash decision, but the thing is that once Biedrins and Ellis are signed, the cap room is diminished and it will take more dealing to open up space to make a run at Lebron or Wade or the likes in a year. If Arenas and Brand can be enticed by some sort of synergy here with Ellis and Co., then it’s a good move. Throwing too much money at either just to do it would be scary. Both are coming off major injury seasons. I worry about Gil because at his peak I don’t think he was worth the max they could toss at him. I worry about Brand because although I think he might just be that good at full strength, I don’t know if he’ll be at full strength.

So I’m dreaming of Arenas making good on his word from several years ago that he really wanted to play here in GS, and Brand deciding that Sterling is a putz and that he’d have more fun watching the fog roll in over the Gate from a pad up on Skyline than breathing LA smog. That combo is good enough to go for now. One of them? Not so sure.

Meanwhile, Chris Duhon must be drooling. He’s all of a sudden in a position to drive a hard bargain with the suddenly in serious need of a point guard Warriors, bringing in another potential suitor to a guy who was talking part of the MLE from NY and Orlando. He’s not great by any stretch, but he’s, well he’s available.

by jae on Jul 2, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

How would you feel if we could

Make a strong play for Arenas and Brand? Would you actually consider letting Biedrins walk for that?

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 2, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would

but yeah I have a feeling Brand and Arenas will both go to the dance with their original dates.

by Gob on Jul 2, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, if we could swing Brand AND Arenas, I’m into that. I just can’t imagine that this Baron thing won’t immediately be followed by Brand agreeing to terms with the Clips.

For all our financial restraint of late, it’s wild that we apparently offered a max deal to Arenas so quickly. I do love the guy, and I think there are arguments for having him over Baron, but I don’t see him as being worth 50% more than Baron. I think we’d come to regret that deal.

I hope we let the other folks bid away on Duhon… he seems like the kinda guy you overpay because you’re desperate for a FA consolation prize. I suppose it’s at least worth talking to Memphis about one of their points, but I’m not sure what they’d want from us…

by onlxn on Jul 2, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

make a run at Lebron or Wade or the likes in a year.

Lebron would hafta be outa his mind to come here. NewYork is rolling out the welcome mat for that cat.
Wade? Isn’t he too much like Montay to do us much good?
Arenas and Brand here don’t make as much sense as Boom and Brand in LA. Baron will rock at Staples.
If we’re gonna be the basketball version of the A’s then we’ll never attract the top players so we might as well play what we got and root for the Clips or Portland on the side?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 2, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Great diary, JAE.

This in particular intrigued me:

The biggest worry is another team swooping in and offering them something we’d have to match, as an offer sheet signed means the cap hold is replaced with the offer sheet dollars.

So, then, assuming Mullin wants to go shopping, and assuming he likes Brand or Josh Smith or Iguodala, and assuming he wants to stay under the cap, wouldn’t it behoove him to swoop while the iron’s hot — like, now?

I’ve heard your thoughts on Brand (elite when healthy), Smooth (intriguing, but worrisomely inefficient from the floor) but I’d love to hear your take on Iguodala. To me he seems pretty close to an elite swingman, and an absolute perfect fit for this team: young, explosive, unselfish, good or great at everything. Is he the type of guy you throw 5/$70-80M at, or am I out of mind?

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 2, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I complete agree...

With Philadelphia’s courting of Josh Smith… now would be the perfect time to move in and steal Iguodala from the 76ers. Monta, Iguodala, Jackson, Wright & Beans sounds like a great starting five… better than Duhon, Monta, Jackson, Wright & Beans.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 2, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ill take a

5/$70 sounds reasonable but im just wondering if we will be able to move Harrington for someone more solid as a 3.

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 2, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

he seems pretty close to an elite swingman,

and an absolute perfect fit for this team: young, explosive, unselfish, good or great at everything. Is he the type of guy you throw 5/$70-80M at, or am I out of mind?
Who knows? That would put us roughly back to before Baron came, with a young JRich but no point guard? If we’re gonna be the bargain basement team we better let the new skinny kid fill the JRich role?
If he ever gets good at it then to save salary we can trade him for some 3rd round drafts picks!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 2, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

This team = the pre Baron team

Er, not quite.

Let’s assume Iggy v. JRich is a wash, which I think is already a bit of a stretch, since Iggy is an elite defender while JRich, according to Nellie, will never be a good defender.

That leaves this respectable supporting cast:

(Budding 22 year-old star) Monta Ellis, (budding 22 year-old star) Andris Biedrins, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington, Brandan Wright, Kelenna Azubuike (if signed), Marco Belinelli, Anthony Randolph.

versus the steaming pile of suck that existed pre-Baron trade:

Derek Fisher, Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Speedy Claxton, Adonal Foyle, (rookie) Mickael Pietrus, (old man) Cliff Robinson, (old man) Dale Davis…

Blecch. Painful memories.

Meanwhile, who said we were trying to be the “bargain basement team”? And who said Anthony Randolph was being groomed as the starting 2-guard? Why do you insist on living in a Fantasy World, Skep?

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 2, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

We’ve been worse off before and right now I love what we have going for the Warriors. Don’t forget Erik Dampier in that bunch lol! Sides Randolph seems like more of a Tayshawn Prince type player, a 3 that we need crucially. And Marco should be getting more play time this season he has a finesse shot and it’s bound to show soon enough.

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 2, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

who said we were trying to be the "bargain basement team"? And who said Anthony Randolph was being groomed as the starting 2-guard?

It was obvious after the Utah series when we didn’t build on the growing success but sold out Jason to save a few bucks. No matter what position they play, Randolph can fill Iggy’s shoes for a lower salary, that seems to be the main strategy .

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 2, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Seems to be the main strategy"

To you, and you alone.

Yes, Skeptic, Mullin (and Nelson?) are Bad Guys who maliciously want the Warriors to suck.

If I write that ten times, will you stop carpetbombing the board with your “Mullin Is Evil” fantasies? Really, I don’t get it. Are they meant to be funny?

Mullin’s a mediocre (possibly poor?) GM trying to improve the team as best he can in an ultra-competitive league on a tight budget. Question the competence, or the results, or the wisdom — not the good faith. It insults everyone’s intelligence.

You can be one of the funniest dudes on this board when you riff on various subjects, but the JRich/Mullin/Cohan joke is like Henny Youngman with the “take my wife, please” line. Only less fresh. :-(

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 2, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mullin (and Nelson?) are Bad Guys who maliciously want the Warriors to suck?

I guess it’s a matter of semantics? Is Bush-Cheney incompetent or evil? The end results are the same, I just have a hard time believing that those with power can be that stupid so motive is the second thought? Follow the money usually works. Iraqi oil contracts, trade experienced player for cheaper rookie??

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 2, 2008 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, cat walks across keyboard and a lengthy post gets erased.

Short version: Offers aren’t offers now. We can talk to anyone and make as many deals as we want until next Wednesday. Nothing will tie up or free up the cap until then.

Iggy: I like, quite a bit, but probably not a starting $12mil worth (which is what 5 for $70 is). It’s real, real close but a bit high in my mind. Problem is anything close probably gets matched in Philly or if not, means they’ll over price Ellis in retaliation. I’d rather go after Childress, who I suspect is less likely to get matched, can be had for a whole lot less and could be Iguadola’s equal in many, many ways, especially in a Nellie who the hell knows who you’ll match up with system. He’s versatile and quite good.

by jae on Jul 2, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Childress

I agree on Childress. I’d love to get a star if we can but when the dust settles picking up Childress could make a big difference. The guy plays D, is super efficient offensively, can handle the rock, dang he can really do everything pretty well. I think Nellie would have a field day with him. Add to that the fact that he could probably be had at a reasonable price tag.

If we somehow pull off this Brand deal and pick up Childress I think we are on our way to respectability again. If we can also get Duhon or Arroyo I think we would have a pretty well rounded backcourt considering the situation.

Another idea would be if we whiff on Brand do you think we would have any chance of outbidding toronto for Calderon? I know they’ve “agreed” to a deal but since nothing can be made official yet does that mean we could still make a run at him. It would still leave us some cash to go after some other guys too.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 2, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Childress is an interesting fit

but I prefer James Jones, who will come cheaper (no more than 3 years, $12-million) and can do a lot of nice things as well. Better three-point shooter, solid guy in the locker room, isn’t restricted (is ATL really going to match on both Smith AND Childress? Maybe, but damn, tha’s alot of doh for a franchise that is STILL in ownership turmoil).

by pree on Jul 2, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh beat me to it.

I was going to suggest James Jones.

I like him because he is an above average defender and he can stroke the 3pt shot. He’d be a great 6th man.

Another guy we should take a flyer on is Shaun Livingston.

I don’t expect Brand or Arenas to come to the Warriors. I really do wonder if Mullin makes a play for Igoudala. I think he, out of Deng and Smith would be the guy the Warriors target. We already have 2 Smoove like guys in Wright and Randolph. And Igoudala is more of a playmaker than Deng is.

I know its not sexy, or a home run, but I don’t think there is any free agent out there that would vaunt us into contention.

There’s no point in being in limbo. And that’s really what the Warriors were for so, so long. Either be very good, or be very, very bad. Mediocrity is the worst place to be.

Sign some solid role players and add depth (Jones), Take a flyer on Shaun Livingston and hope he can become a top PG, like he was on track to be, Re-sign our own players, stink up 08-09’ and land in the high lottery to get another impact player, and use the cap room in 09’ to fill the remaining holes.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 2, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Livingston is a nice gamble, but not as your starter

by pree on Jul 2, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

this year

he might have to be the starter if we get him. good point guard draft coming up though, so it might just be a one year experiment.

by cap'n hack on Jul 3, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

excellent post

jones/livingston in any post sells me

"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006

by flipgatey3 on Jul 3, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jones too at at lower price, but he’s not the contributor that Childress can be. I’ll trade the higher three point percentage for Childress’s higher overall efficiency, superior rebounding and passing. It’s not like Childress is a poor long distance shooter and he’s not stuck on the perimeter. About half of Jones’s shots are from outside and that scares me. Of course, Jones should be cheaper, and cheap enough that they can see if he’s available at MLE money once cap money has been spent.

I don’t know what ATL is planning on doing with Childress and Smith. Childress is a very good player and got minutes in ATL, but they seem more inclined to use Marvin Williams as a 3 and Johnson as a 2. I think he’s potentially more valuable than both in the right situation, but doubt ATL thinks the same.

by jae on Jul 2, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Talk is cheap ...

but they say they will match for both. I don’t know why, but it is what they say.

by pree on Jul 2, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for writing this. I’m tired of hearing “he screwed us, so F him” all the time (granted, it’s died down somewhat since he first announced the opt-out). You said it much better than I could have.

by Gob on Jul 2, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Brand

Word in LA is that we just offered Elton Brand a max deal. What are your thoughts on this? Is this an attempt to nuetralize the Baron signing? Was Brand one of the favorite pieces we were targeting before Baron opted out? If we do yank him, will a deal be made for another player?

by Travis Bickle on Jul 2, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

Great post. Every time I get pissed at Baron for leaving, I try to think about how pissed I’d be at Mullin during year four of a five year Baron deal.

Don't play a dangerous game.

by Hul10 on Jul 2, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post

You make some good points. I hope we use our cap space wisely. Remember, there is no opting out of season tickets!

by Spree15 on Jul 2, 2008 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Good Post

Mulllin should have given Baron a long term deal, Baron wanted security , and the Clips gave him that. If we gave him that deal like 5yr 60 mil and we sign monta and beans, plus we get a good free agent he would have signed with us for sure.

by caliball101 on Jul 2, 2008 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Bummed as anyone

but I think it would have been a mistake to give him big money over those years

He has an old body there is no doubt

This might seem like blasphemy but I think the warriors should step back and not do anything to rash like throw max money at people

We don’t need to replace Baron with another star point. This team should see if Monta and some of these other young guys are cornerstone types

If we can find a serviable point I think that is the priority. Look at Sac with Udrih. A guy like that

And then lets see where this team is at. I think this team has the talent but the concern and why they will not be very good is they have maybe one go to guy now (in Monta)

by SFzig on Jul 2, 2008 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Very good post...BUT

The reason me and a whole bunch of other fans are pissed off at baron are not because baron bounced (because that would have happened anyways) BUT because he played this whole game like he wanted to stay and right when he could opt out HE DID and right when he could sign with another team HE DID…he went about the whole situation all wrong even if he wanted to re-sign with the warriors he still came off hella shady..

AND barons jersey burns easy ive tried….

by AP DIDDY on Jul 2, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Tampering charges

I heard something interesting on KNBR about this. Someone mentioned the fact that if Brand leaves 20 mil on the table and walks away from our offer to re-sign with the Clipps this too may help us prove foul play. I’m not sure how far we’ll take it or if they will even look into it at all, but if I’m Stern I’m keeping a very close eye on the perception of fairness and favoritism in the NBA.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Jul 2, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

From my reading of the rules, a team has to push for an investigation on tampering. It does not come from the league office. But if Mullin calls Stern, they’ll have to investigate.

Stern has some major PR issues. I don’t subscribe to the conspiracy stories on the NBA—it’s just too hard to keep secrets in the event that they really were manipulating everything. But that’s a common meme and Stern doesn’t want to feed it anymore. Investigating it thoroughly would be a wise move.

by jae on Jul 2, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tampering is so hard to prove.

If Baron, Brand, Ramasar, or Brand’s agent arranged this deal and approached the Clipper front office, that isn’t considered tampering because it was all done by the players or their agents.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 2, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, it’s tampering if Baron hadn’t opted out first. If anyone connected to the Clippers, beit a player (or player’s agent), coach, GM, towel boy, women’s washroom attendant, other than Baron’s agent approached Baron with the plea for him to opt out with the plan to go to LA, it’s tampering. Players talking to other players is considered tampering, though it’s usually not dealt with harshly. Sprewell was warned by the NBA office when he made a plea for Webber to try to join the Knicks when he had an out with the Kings, and Will Perdue was warned when he made a public plea for Grant Hill to do the same and come to the Spurs. Neither contract happened. Both players were warned ahead of any signing and I’m not sure how the league would have dealt with it if they did. It just got warnings ahead of any actual contracts, but it’s still against the rules.

It’s very clear that no one connected with another team can encourage a player under contract with another team to jump ship. Once Baron exercised his option, then anyone could talk to anyone, but if they approached him beforehand, it’s tampering. It’s a looser situation if Brand opts out, as he’s only then quasi connected to the Clippers, though since they own Bird rights, it’s still not entirely in the clear. My guess is that tampering that results in a contract being signed would be considered more serious than saying you’d like to play with X, Y and Z.

And it’s still difficult to prove.

Hard to prove, but it’s still tampering.

by jae on Jul 2, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm good to know.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 2, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

offer a max deal to josh smith / emeka okafor
sign and trade harrington for ben gordon

pg: monta/ watson
sg: gordon/ belinelli
sf: jackson/ randoplh
pf: smith or okafor/ wright
c: biedrins/ hendrix

by dancingchiapet on Jul 3, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

a max deal?

way too much for either of those guys. teams give max deals to guys who can lead them to championships. not guys who could be the best team on the 8 seed out east. not to say i wouldn’t love to get smith, but no way is he worth max money.

and that team has no point guard. monta is a two. he’ll never be steve nash or chris paul. don’t ask him to try.

by cap'n hack on Jul 3, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

he can be a

TP type of point guard though.

Too bad we don’t have a Ginobili type of 2 guard though.

by misterjennings on Jul 4, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

A Lot 2 Say

Pretty Cool Post.. Made Me Understand Things A Little More. As Long As We DONT Go Ridiculous And Try And Max Out Somebody That Isn’t Top Tier Caliber Than Thats Good AND We Don’t Get AI #2. He’s Becoming A Good Swingman But Doesn’t Have A Reliable JumpShot And With Our System It Wouldn’t Work That Well. I SAY
Trade Al For A One Year Replacement @ PG
Sign 1 Year Deals To Livingston & Jones To See How It Works Out AND
Hope We Can Get A Future PG Next Year (Jennings Or Rubio Kid, Collison)...
Doesn’t Really Make Sense To Waist The Money On DECENT Talent (Any 10+ Mill/Year). We Also Must Not Try And Think Monta Is A PG BecauseTRUE Warrior Fans Knows He Can Only Dribble One Way & His Court Vision Isn’t PG Material (His Good Games With Assist Still Included BD Running The Show… Not Him)

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by YayArea510 on Jul 5, 2008 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously...

Why have there been no rumors about trying to get Shaun Livingston? The only thing I’ve heard was GSOM saying it would be a good move, which is true. Therefore, I don’t understand why Golden State and MULLY haven’t offered him anything yet, just doesn’t make sense to me. Anyone got a clue, are we really that scared of an injured dude, last injured guy we took a flyer on was Baron Davis, and I think that turned out pretty well. So a little help with my question please?

by warriorsalltheway on Jul 5, 2008 11:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Still early

The free agent signing period hasn’t even started yet. All these agreements that we keep hearing about are unofficial. The GM’s are obviously prioritizing the FA’s and moving from the most important to the least important. As far as Livingston goes, the injury is obviously a concern and the fact that he is not guaranteed to even play this year I’m sure he is on the back burner. I do hope along with you that the Warriors will at least try to pick him up at a reasonable price tag with a team option or two because of his upside.

I also suspect that most if not all of the rumors that are being leaked are coming from the player’s agents. They obviously have a stake in raising the hype/price of their players so there you go.

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by olympicmike on Jul 5, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Effective strategy or not, the Warriors front office doesn’t seem to be one that operates through leaking rumors. When Baron arrived, it was a pretty unexpected move that wasn’t really rumored. The Dun-Mur trade came without rumor rumblings, and the Belinelli and Randolph draft picks came when neither seemed to be high on the draft radar. This management doesn’t do its business in the media.

If there are offers to the restricted free agents, no one is yet allowed to comment on them. They don’t become official until Wednesday at the earliest.

Since the team isn’t allowed to comment at this point about potential targets beyond that “they have targets”, the silence means nothing. ALL of the rumors are coming from agents.

by jae on Jul 6, 2008 9:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Ric Bucher said as much on ESPN

He basically said both the alleged offers — to Brand and Arenas — were total fabrications. Smart move by their agents, obviously, but it’s kinda sad when semi-reputable sports journalists lap this stuff up.

Sign ^^^^ !!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 6, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are there any reputable journalists nowadays?

If journalists waited for a reputable source nowadays, they’d be a week later than the bloggers and nobody would come to them for their news. That and it’s less sensational to actually tell people facts as opposed to conjecture and speculation. It’s a sad state of affairs.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 8, 2008 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

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