Come Laugh at Me: What's Next for the Warriors?
Wrote this column earlier this morning before all the Elton Brand hub bub, but I don't think there really is all that much to that talk.
Why will you laugh? Because I think the Warriors should go after Marko Jaric. Yea, I said it (okay .. he comes with Warrick and Crittenton).
My premise is pretty simple: I don't think the Warriors can go out and find someone to spend their money on this crop of free agents and really find all that much impact. As much as I like Josh Smith, I've been told and there are so many reports out there that the Hawks will just match any offer for him (or he'll go ahead and go to the 76ers to PAIR him with Iguodala - they're not letting him go, either).
So who's left? Is Carlos Arroyo or Sebastian Telfair REALLY an option? It's time to cash in the Al Harrington chip - go after Crittenton and lock up a future lineup of Critt - Ellis - Randolph - Wright - Biedrins while keeping real flexibilty under the cap by signing a few guys to short deals.
In any case, in the column I look at all the options I think the Warriors plausibly have. It's a bit long, but I hope you enjoy it.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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thanks for your stuff as always…. i hope that this stays on the main screen long enough for people to enjoy
by Nellieball on Jul 2, 2008 3:47 PM PDT 0 recs
If you want it to stay up longer, you should 'rec' it.
Unless you already have.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on
Jul 2, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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yeah
and alba just had a kid so dont be expecting her to look quite as perfect as normal
by 3Kings650 on
Jul 2, 2008 5:48 PM PDT
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I think Ramon Sessions of the Bucks would be a great fit if the Dubs could pull that off. He would be top 5 in assists playin NelliStyle
by TonyDelk on Jul 2, 2008 3:57 PM PDT 0 recs
Man
Loved the kid coming out of Nevada – great size, good handles, nice vision ..
But here’s the thing: the Bucks paid Bell AND Williams rather than let Sessions play .. why aren’t they sold on him? It bugs me .. I like him, but we’ll have to see him as a back up rather than a starter.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 4:27 PM PDT
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It’s a little bothersome, but no one has really accused the Bucks of making fantastic decisions. According to the Wins Produced model, Sessions was very productive in his limited PT. It’s easy to see why. His turnovers were low relative to assists and he had a mind for the ball, rebounding above average for his position. His net +/- suggests that he wasn’t a burden on the team when he was in. He shot the ball from long range very well. I’d consider him a good gamble if he’s available.
Another intriguing possibility is Chris Quinn, who is a restricted FA for Miami. Similarly, Miami played somewhat better with him than without him. He’s young and shot well from outside. His assist numbers don’t stand out, but his turnovers were real low for a point guard. I wonder how playing in Wade’s shadows affects both, as Wade tends to be a primary ball handler much of the time. It looks like Quinn spent about half his time on the court in lineups with Wade.
Neither should be expected to be stars, though Sessions’ limited time really was considerably above average. Both put up better limited numbers than Watson however.
Beyond that, where do things go? A combo guard like Delonte West? Cleveland QA’d him. He’s got a track record of being strictly adequate, maybe a bit more. He was OK in Cleveland and had been OK in Boston. He’s been moved twice in 4 years. People don’t seem to love him, but don’t seem to hate him.
by jae on
Jul 8, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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it takes two seconds to click on it
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on
Jul 3, 2008 11:53 AM PDT
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Felton
Since you mention Felton in the first part of your article, I wonder if we can somehow turn the Al Harrington chip into Felton and Wallace? Especially since I read elsewhere that Jordan the GM has sourced on Wallace and wants to move him.
The Jaric deal does seem interesting, if only to get a couple big guards that might work someone in tandem with Ellis. We should keep doing that and stock up on undersized 2 guards to back up Ellis as well. :)
by Hac Man on Jul 2, 2008 4:09 PM PDT 0 recs
It's possible
But if I was Jordan/Huggins, I wouldn’t think that Harrington in the front court is an upgrade over Wallace, especially if it means I’m losing my lottery pick UNC PG as well. Everyone loves Gerald Wallace, but the Bobcats aren’t using him right at the power forward spot – he needs to be a three and they need to stop messing around with that.
The Bobcats have arguably had the worst coaching situation in the league since their inception .. LB will make this team better, but he just needs a few more horses. I think this lineup would do well in the East .. well enough for a playoff spot, I think ..
Augustin / FA Backup (Duhon?)
Richardson / Carroll
Wallace / Dudley / Morrison
Harrington / May / Davidson
Okafor / Mohammed / Hollins
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
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sorry should have been "soured"
and I found the Yahoo blurb about this—apparently Jordan wants to move Wallace over the summer. So Harrington isn’t enough on his own, what if we threw in Randolph? Would we want a solid 2/3 (Wallace) right now over an unknown quantity 3/4 (Randolph)? Harrington is a bit of an upgrade over Wallace at least in the size department, being of more prototypical PF size. plus they seem to be pretty high on Dudley.
by Hac Man on
Jul 2, 2008 7:20 PM PDT
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I don't know
I just don’t really believe the Bobcats will move Wallace. I’m ready to stand corrected, though.
In any case, you are correct that they love them some Dudley .. I’ll have to figure out a package that works for them, but I don’t know if the Warriors necessarily have it.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 8:08 PM PDT
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Boy you know more about the NBA than
I do but I have always been very low on Marko Jaric. maybe I have an unfounded high regard for Arroyo. Isn’t he a true point?
What about trading for heinrich? I loved Baron but I wouldn’t mind seeing a true point running this team
Where is this years Udrih? Just feeding the ball to all of these young bigs we have?
by SFzig on Jul 2, 2008 4:11 PM PDT 0 recs
You never know
Maybe you know more than me :)
In any case, yes, Arroyo is more of a true point guard. My argument for Jaric is mostly because of his shooting ability (I’ve seen this guy REALLY knock down shots when he was with the Clippers) and his size. When you have Monta, you need a bigger guard next to him, which is why the Baron situation worked well. Arroyo is a true ball-handling guard, but he is also smallish (6-2, barely 200) and I feel like he’s inconsistent.
As a back up, though, I’d love Arroyo. Just don’t think he’s ready for the big time starting gig.
Don’t see Hinrich as a possibility .. I mentioned it in the article .. but I just don’t see why the Bulls would part with him unless they get something really nice in return. They want to move him, but there isn’t any hurry.
I think this year’s Udrih is none other than Sebastian Telfair. Kid has skills, just never had the work ethic. Maybe he’ll be inspired now that everyone has officially given up on him? I also like Fred Jones .. yea .. I’m weird.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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Have to admit I don't even know
Fred Jones
I guess with Jaric I watch Slav players more closely when they come over since my grandfather was a Croation. Jaric just never seemed to live up to my expectations.
Sebastian Telfair is interesting. Seems it is time for him to show up
by SFzig on
Jul 2, 2008 5:30 PM PDT
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Jones ..
Undersized SG with some PG skills .. very athletic .. he’s the little guy that beat J-Rich in the Slam Dunk Contest back in (I think ) 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GeOaueOCCg
A nice mix .. takes a while to get to him, but he’s a fun guy to watch
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 5:34 PM PDT
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watched Jones in his Pac-10 days
with Oregon. He never struck me as having much PG in his game, he definitely has some pure scoring skills, but I don’t think he makes a good point guard.
by Hac Man on
Jul 2, 2008 6:17 PM PDT
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His dunk was weak
J-rich was robbed in that contest!!!!He should had done the threw off the backboard between the leg dunk for his final ones. But, anyway he is nothing but a overated dunker.
by warriorfan4life on
Jul 2, 2008 7:59 PM PDT
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Backup
He’s a backup .. wouldn’t ask anything more of him.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 8:09 PM PDT
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Fred Jones played as a PG-esque type for the Blazers
Fred Jones DOES have PG skills, and I was surprised what a willing and capable passer he was. He’s better than any PG the Knicks have right now, except for a Starbury with his head on straight (which isn’t happening, so Jones wins by default).
He is a undersized shooting guard, and his shot was completely broken when he was a Blazer, but he has fixed that since and he’s a good ballhandler and distributor. If you’re in trouble he could start, but as an athletic backup with the running Dubs, he’d do pretty well.
Fred Jones for the Warriors and no longer on the hell that is the Knicks sounds good to me!
He’d be ultra cheap to get as well.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Jul 3, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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Just because Jaric is 6’7” doesn’t mean he can play defense. He’s just big and slow and all he can do it shoot.
by jakeaco on
Jul 4, 2008 10:28 AM PDT
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I like the idea but lets leave warrick out
Lets trade for Crittenton and sign both Livingston and Kwame Brown. Kwame is 26 years old and even tho he has dissapointed time and time again, he has a lot of potential and can definitely help us on the boards. Also cut CJ watson, don’t sign barnes or pietrus. Resign Buike and our lineup looks like
PG: Jaric/Crittenton/Livingston
SG: Monta/Bellinelli
SF: SJAX/Buike/AR
PF:Wright/Henrix
C: Biedrins/K. Brown
Not that good, but a lot of potential.
Unless we somehow sign Brand, then I say we trade Al for Artest and have
PG: Monta
SG:SJAX
SF: Artest
PF: Brand
C: Beans
by scwarrior24 on Jul 2, 2008 4:29 PM PDT 0 recs
I'd just trade for Warrick
Because of the depth he adds. It’s a free flyer on a guy for one year and he gives them another option off the bench. He can play the 3 or 4 and has a developing jumper. I kinda like what he can bring and if he doesn’t bring it, slide him to the end of the bench and play Hendrix. No issues for me.
As far as Kwame goes .. I’ve interviewed that guy so many times to figure out what his deal is .. loads of potential, just never panned out for him. Man .. the dude is a beast as far as athleticism goes and he hasn’t been healthy for a while. I hope someone gives him a chance; he’s a quiet guy and I just feel bad for him.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 4:43 PM PDT
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We need another star
Or else we’re gonna get eaten alive. At this point we would do well to add a big name guy and sign(or trade) for a promising point. Just an opinion…
by Travis Bickle on
Jul 3, 2008 5:36 PM PDT
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Great article Pree.. as usual!
I would love to potentially get cute and trade Harrington for Williams and Villanueva. Villanueva is basically Harrington Jr with more upside and Williams is… a really good point guard with a long term contract. I would love to see both come in… espcially at the expense of Al Harrington. I wonder if the Bucks would really consider it though.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 2, 2008 5:01 PM PDT 0 recs
disagree
I’ve watched Charlie the last few years - even tried having him on my fantasy team last year - and I can tell you one major difference: he’s lazy. Al is not lazy, Al always give 100%. He might not be playing well (esp. as center or as a bruiser 4), but he works his a$$ and you can’t fault him for that. All Chuck Newhouse does is camp at the 3 line with his knee high socks and chuck up prayers. At least Al rebounds. Mo Williams would be nice, but why would the Bucks trade him? Who’s going to fill his position?
by b.radley on
Jul 2, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
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It's a longshot, but
I wonder if Hammond wants to get out of that contract .. the team has two other PGs in Bell and Sessions and they could pick up one of these FAs after doing the deal. Duhon might fit in well with his old coach, Skiles, or there’s always a guy like Arroyo out there, maybe Keyon Dooling.
Ultimately, the Bucks could be
Bell / FA / Sessions
Redd / Mason
Jefferson / Alexander
Harrington / Mbah-a-Moute
Bogut / Gadzuric
Not too bad, but depth is pretty gross .. I mean .. Gadzuric?!
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 5:24 PM PDT
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Well looking at the contract situation,
Williams is set up for the next five seasons, where as Harrington would be off the books the same time as Michael Redd after next season right in time for the Lebron/Wade sweepstakes… not like they would have a good chance, but hopes and dreams do live. Sure their bench isn’t deep yet, but after the trade they would have some room to bring in random bigs to fill out their roster. In any situation, I could care less how the Bucks would fare after the trade ;)
As for the the Warriors, Williams is on a long term contract, which is fairly moderate in nature given his talent level and potential production. He is a little weak defensively, and with Monta’s tendency to be weak defensively… it might make for a very big liability on the other side of the ball. Now unless Wright & Beans become remarkable weakside defenders and/or strong presences in the paint, this will be a problem
by Mr. Monday Night on
Jul 2, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
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I never said that Villanueva was better than Harrington
I know that Harrington does work his ass off. I’ve said it multiple times on this site. I honestly love the guy and would not trade him for chicken scratch. As for Villanueva…. I had him on my fantasy squad from time to time as well. He has talent, but the situation at Milwaukee definitely took a toll on his productivity and he is a little bit of a head case. I simply said he had more upside. I would never trade Harrington for Villanueva straight up. But I would take Williams and Villanueva in a trade for Harrington. Villanueva would be a filler in the trade, a great one at that since his contract would be up at the end of next season.
by Mr. Monday Night on
Jul 2, 2008 6:00 PM PDT
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fair enough
i just sorta feel like newhouse is dead weight, and i’m not too interested in picking up dead weight these days. i’d rather take a guy like jaric who could more likely contribute… but i know where you’re coming from.
by b.radley on
Jul 2, 2008 6:20 PM PDT
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Crittenton + Smith or others
Pree, maybe I’m missing something but if we trade Al + Draft Pick for Crittenton + Jaric + Warrick, aren’t we basically just swapping salaries (maybe eating a few mill)? Wouldn’t we still have Baron’s $$ to make another free agent play like going big for Josh or even our current attempt to sign EB? They aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive, are they?
by b.radley on Jul 2, 2008 5:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Yes, the Warriors would still have money
That was the point .. I like the fact that the team can fill out the roster and still keep itself under the cap. You are correct in saying the two are not mutually exclusive, I just do not believe that a big FA move is smart right now .. in all honesty, I don’t see anyone out there that is a) a realistic possibility and b) an impact player at the price that would be thrown at them.
Now, I don’t mind these offers for Smith or AB, because I think they’re good players that could work out. Just don’t see it happening on either front, y’know? I expect them to give Wright a lot of PT, so maybe spending all that money on a 4 isn’t wise.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 5:26 PM PDT
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Big money for Brand (or Smith) would likely mean that they’d start shopping Wright for guard help ASAP.
I’d heard that Nellie didn’t think that Wright and Biedrins could play together. Nellie says a lot of things. I believe few of them because I think he likes talking more than he’d even admit and may even use his words to bluff. I also think that despite his enormous knowledge of the game and creative talent, Nellie can get stuck in his own plans and limit his success because he gets a notion that may not be true. But on the Wright/Biedrins front, I think he’s spot on. I checked every lineup the Warriors used last year (exhaustive search—took me more than a few days of programming to search for what I was looking for) and found that the team was significantly negative in the minutes they were on the court together and neither played as well as they did without the other on the court. It’s a small sample size, but from the looks of it, given that both played pretty well on their own, it doesn’t look like they’re ready to play together in major minutes.
by jae on
Jul 2, 2008 5:39 PM PDT
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Good research
I agree that Wright and Biedrins have yet to learn how to play with each other, but you have to understand why.
Biedrins played with Al, Jackson, or Barnes at the 4 most of the time and they typically hung out by the three-point line or tried to take their man off the dribble. Brandon is going to be in the post, which changes the spacing and takes an adjustment on the part of both he and Biedrins.
If – and this is a big if – both of these guys learn how to hit a jumper, what you’re going to start seeing is one of them at the high post and one on the opposite low-post. The ball would go to the high post man for screens in a modified triangle offense that would rely on pick and rolls rather than back cuts. It’s definitely possible: see what the Raptors plan to do with Bosh/O’Neal as what could be.
It isn’t something that I’m sold on either, but they have the skills to make it happen.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 5:45 PM PDT
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sounds like Wright is headed for the high post
its been mentioned that the work he’s been putting in has been on his jumper (and even on trailing 3-pointers?), which sounds to me that he’s working a bit on his top of key, high post game.
by Hac Man on
Jul 2, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
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Pree, man
Great insights, as always. You’re a breath of fresh air on this site lately. I’m a little less sanguine than you on our prospects without BD, but I think your position as Warriors observer (admirer? friend? ally?) gives you a perspective a lot of the long-suffering brethren lack.
For my own peace of mind, I’m going to ignore your reality check on Iguodala (I mean, what if Philly goes after Brand or Smith?) and share your optimism about a Wright-Biedrins 4-5. :-) Weaving together a few separate posts, voilà my fantasy 2010 eight-man rotation:
Livingston
Monta
Iguodala
Childress
Randolph
Hendrix
Wright
Biedrins
= Championshipzzz1111!!!1111
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on
Jul 2, 2008 7:30 PM PDT
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Humph
I will let you live in the bliss of ignorance for a while :) Not a bad rotation, though
Iggy might be available .. I just think the Sixers would like their lineup with Smith plugged into the four. Man, crazy athletes.
Hmm .. as for my position as Warriors whatever .. consider me to be the Deist .. I watch the clock run and just hope it works well :)
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
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i think smith is possible
we have more money to spend than anyone else. the question is what he’s worth. even though atlanta claims they’ll match, for practical purposes we can price them out unless they want to tie their hands going forward. and he might be worth $13MM or $14MM a year, too. i dont see him as just a 4—i think he’s a 3/4. Given that AR is a project, we’d immediately have a solid lineup (Jax could play a big 2, monta at 1) and we’d be surprisingly good on defense, even with all the running and gunning.
Coupled with a deal for a point guard like Crittenton (and BTW i think we should try to sign Livingston too; if he’s 80% he’s still worth the gamble now if we can get him for under $5MM), we’d have a fantastic young lineup.
Even if we can’t land Josh Smith, we should be willing to try—worst case we bid up his price. You might say we’d get just desserts and end up with someone else bidding up Monta, but no one else can bid much more than our high-end expectations for him anyway (~$10MM), so I think we’re fine there. Same goes for AB.
by b.radley on
Jul 2, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
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I like Smith
And like I said, he might be worth going after at the right price. I would worry if they go far above his market price, though. The Warriors would have to change some of their offensive strategy if they got him, which I’d like to see Nellie do anyway.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 5:46 PM PDT
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no
he is not good
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on
Jul 3, 2008 11:59 AM PDT
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Im not really sold on Critt.........
But I am sold on Monta at point next year, its gonna be awesome to watch him develop into one the the elite west pgs. He was groomed for it last year and got lots of exposure, hell he brought the ball up the floor just as much as Baron did, Basically I dont see the value in getting rid of Harrington right now when he will be an expiring next year. Good call b, radley, at least harrington is gonna give us hustle and veteran leadership as well. What we should really try to do is run
Ellis/Watson
Buike/Bellineli
Jackson/Randolph
Wright/Harrington
Beidrins/Hendrix
Fiil it out with Cro, and another underpaid hard working vet, and we have a pretty exciting squad with huge potential. Not to mention all the kids will get to play and develop.
The last thing we need right now is to replace either Al or Jack because they are our veterans and leaders. Too much youth would not be good, these young kids need some older brother figures to show them the ropes of playing in the NBA.
Lets save up some money and play our future at the same time, then when the time is right we can swoop on an all star in free agency. Then we will have developed our youth and poised to be playoff contenders for years instead of not knowing year to year the status of our team.
What Im saying too is i want ellis to play point, hes a trough kid with limitless potential. The only way I envision the dubs hoisting the trophy is with monta at the one not the two. So ill pass on Critt and Williams and just roll with CJ as backup
by bigshotbob05 on Jul 2, 2008 5:34 PM PDT 0 recs
Good take
I just don’t think Ellis is going to be able to run the point consistently. I know he can “bring it up”, but the team needs someone that can distribute and set the table for others. I’m not convinced that Monta is that guy. He worked on PG skills all of last summer and I just didn’t see the growth I originally anticipated.
I think he’s a great scorer and a tremendous talent, though.
LOL the lineup you mention is basically the team they have now. I’m pretty sure most fans would be pretty angry if the Warriors came back with that lineup – they’ve got to do SOMETHING solid right now.
As for leadership, that really comes from Jackson. Al is a very indeed, but he doesn’t have the locker room presence you’d hope for. He’s a fun guy and is always smiling, but take it from someone that has been in that room a lot: he isn’t exactly a tremendous influence on the young’ns like Jack is. I’d take James Jones over Al in that department.
(plus, I think Al wants out and is sick of being used in a way that he doesn’t want to be used under Nellie)
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 5:40 PM PDT
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they shouldn't do something just to do something
everyone talks about how the warriors were rebuilding for 12 yrs… but they weren’t rebuilding… they were stop-gapping themselves w/ enough veterans to not be in the cellar.
they need to not overreact and realize that losing baron means rebuilding in the truest sense. No more band aids like bimbo, mookie, speedy, mugsy, dale, starks, cummings, cliff, damp, etcetera.
getting heinrich, critt, jaric, felton, duhon, crawford, marbury, magette, warrick, fred jones, malik rose, etcetera is making the same exact mistake the W’s made the 12 yr’s in between playoff runs.
the only player even worth a look is Livingston (who is probably out of the Clipper picture). W/ the main draw being a chance for playing time in a high octane offense rather than money.
i like iguodala & josh smith’s games, but both are likely to be way, way, way overpaid and therefore a bad idea for the long term.
the 1st order of business should be to see whether the Clippers are amicable to a S/T w/ Baron like Orlando did for Rashard Lewis from the Sonics. Try to pick up a few picks at least. There are PG’s in the next draft.
by the evil monkey on
Jul 3, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
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S/T not possible
The Clippers have the cap space and the commitment from Baron to make his contract work.
by Mr. Monday Night on
Jul 3, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
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Orlando
was under the cap when they signed Lewis as well. Seattle just got a couple draft picks and a massive Trade Exception. But S/T Baron means we have a huge exception counting against the cap, restricting our ability to sign free agents.
by racsan on
Jul 3, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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not one
of those guys has been mentioned in any reliable articles as the warriors trying to get them except for Maggette and he is a decent player, i really don’t think the warriors are heading in the same direction as the 12 years before the playoffs. Mullin isn’t a genius but he isn’t retarted.
by warriorsalltheway on
Jul 4, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
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yeah i know
my point was in reaction to pree’s concept that the warrior’s have to do something (based on his actual article concerning possible moves, i interpreted it to mean that the warrior’s need to make moves).
by the evil monkey on
Jul 5, 2008 3:35 PM PDT
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What about Duhon?
I know the Knicks are after Duhon, but I like him and he is unrestricted. I also wonder if there is a team out there who really wants Al. That would help us with the leverage issue.
By the way, Pree, count me in the group who deeply appreciate your posting and writing. Thanks very much!
CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.
by commish on Jul 2, 2008 5:36 PM PDT 0 recs
You're welcome
As for Duhon, I don’t like him on the Warriors. Not much of an offensive game and is expecting too much money. He’s visiting the Magic today and supposedly wasn’t sold on a two-year, $8-million deal that New York offered yesterday. For a guy that hasn’t done all that much in the NBA, I don’t think he’s worth it.
A solid defender and a good backup, definitely, but I don’t see him fitting in well on the Warriors without a jumpshot.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
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What about Harrington?
Hey Pree, is there any team hot for Al? And if there is, do they have anybody we want?
CWebb is undoubtedly the answer but I forgot the question.
by commish on Jul 2, 2008 5:53 PM PDT 0 recs
yes there is.
coincidentally, it’s a team that already had too many point gaurds and drafted a point gaurd number one.
GET HINRICH NOW.
by dso on
Jul 2, 2008 5:54 PM PDT
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Really?
Everyone I have spoken to says that the Bulls do not have a high interest in Al. They like their current PF situation, able to use Gooden, Nocioni, and Tyrus Thomas there. Gooden has really impressed them and has secured the starting spot and I don’t think the Bulls will swap Nocioni out for Al.
If you say so, though, I guess.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 8:15 PM PDT
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rofl i dont speak to anyone
and either way the bulls are going to have a glut. but the question is in which area do they want their redundant parts to be in more? and i think the ability hinrich had once shown and the loss of confidence he had last year has led to the drafting of rose and the need to get rid of kirk. nocioni is in a similar situation in that he’s a pretty good talent but needs a change of scenery and they will probably seek to move him as well.
so they want to get rid of one pg and one forward. also, harrington has shown he’s pretty good coming off the bench: a second unit with gordon and harrington is tons of burst-fire scoring that would be hard for any team to keep up.
i think we can make it work _
by dso on
Jul 2, 2008 8:42 PM PDT
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no
hinrich is not good
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on
Jul 3, 2008 12:01 PM PDT
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PF needed signs
Several teams desperately want to upgrade their situation at power forward, mostly in the Eastern Conference where Al once thrived as an undersized four. I like his potential over there. Because his deal is going to end soon, there are plenty of options for him and more may arise as the summer goes on.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 8:17 PM PDT
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hell
minds as well get all the old big 3 back. that this 30-40 million dollars of salery there, but it all good. lol naw j/p with you, get Hinrich and Brand and call it a day.
by warriorfan4life on Jul 2, 2008 6:05 PM PDT 0 recs
just like that
sounds easy
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on
Jul 3, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
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PREE
The First rounder you suggest to go with Al for Memphis’ trio, i’m assuming you’re thinking that pick should be lottery protected right?
I don’t think this team needs to give first rounders away, especially if there is an above average chance that we will be deep in the lottery in the coming years.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 2, 2008 7:07 PM PDT 0 recs
Heck yea
Protect a lot for the next few years. At least three years.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 8:18 PM PDT
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Raymond Felton
Well, I’d rather have Boom but out of the ones mentioned I’d be happy with Felton. I like LittleAl but if he’s unhappy I’d try to work out something with Charlotte for Felton. They do owe us big time for giving them Jason! and If they want to move Wallace for master Randolph that would be sweet!!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 2, 2008 8:39 PM PDT 0 recs
pree, by the sound of things
are we playoff contenders or in rebuild mode??? i think we need to strike while the iron is hot and offer brand, gil or maybe even josh smith what they want cause jaric, warrick and crittenton arent gonna give us that push we need.
i can see how al harington can be a bargaining chip but if i think it would be a downgrade to get them from memphis. i say mullin needs to down a gallon of red bull and glue that phone to his face and make something happen in our favor.
aka GOLDENBOYWARRIOR
by gogomaplata on Jul 2, 2008 10:38 PM PDT 0 recs
Somewhere in between ..
I think you have to be honest with yourself and ask if picking up Josh Smith or Elton Brand makes you a contender in the Western Conference. Maybe with Baron AND one of those guys, you have a chance, but that simply is not the case now.
With that understanding, it’s very possible that the team decides to just go ahead and rebuild now, staying as competitive as they can with that reality. Keep your cap space intact as long as you can, because at some point real talent that is impactful will be made available.
by pree on
Jul 2, 2008 11:14 PM PDT
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Great article.
Lots of great insight. The first thing I thought, too, was to get Hinirch, but I also thought the Bulls don’t need another face-up forward (Deng, Nocioni, Ty Thomas, etc) I think the Felton idea could work short term. My only apprehensions about Felton are that he’s a bad shooter, and I hear he’s really a 2-guard. Even if we offer Al and Wright/Randolph, I think it’s an unlikely scenario, though. For some reason, I don’t see us working out a deal for Felton.
In most likelyhood, though, I think we’ll leave the point issue unresolved this season and go into rebuilding mode, or we’ll overpay an underachieving point guard to fill our hole. Out of all the guys you mentioned, I like Duhon the best. He’s had an underachieving career (like 8 ppg in 30 mpg about 2 years ago) but he’s a good passer and decent defender. I think if we have to resort to acquiring guys like Jaric, it might not be worth the trouble.
I’m not sure if overpaying guys like Josh Smith or Iguodala are the solutions, either. Neither seem like main bananas or guys you run your offense through. I don’t think they can LEAD their teams to a Championship. They’d be nice complimetary guys, but neither would probably won’t be “the man” on their team (someone like Elton or Baron). Again, great article, but by leaving the Warriors with no warning whatsoever, Baron REALLY left this team in a mess. Despite what people say, I think Baron REALLY screwed this team over by leaving our team with no time to prepare…
by The Daydreamer on Jul 2, 2008 11:15 PM PDT 0 recs
Felton isn’t a great shooter, but he’s not a 2-guard. He’s got very, very good handles and is one of the few guards who will keep up with Monta in a footrace. His assist numbers are very good and his turnovers are very low for a primary ball handler.
Charlotte has been horribly mismanaged and miscoached for several years. I’m not sure we know what any of their players are really capable. Felton is unlikely to turn into a great outside shooter, but I suspect that his FG% could increase dramatically if he was allowed to open things up and drive more often. He is very, very capable of that.
by jae on
Jul 3, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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He’s got very, very good handles and is one of the few guards who will keep up with Monta in a footrace.
OK, We’ll take him. Now how do we make Mullin understand?
by Skeptic con Urquell on
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