Marcus Williams is coming (qouted)
July 22, 2008 Marcus Is Gone
By FRED KERBER
Well, so much for fighting for his job.
Point guard Marcus Williams, who recently vowed to fight for his minutes after the Nets acquired Keyon Dooling, is headed to Golden State for a future first round pick. The trade will be announced later today.
The pick is lottery protected for 2011 – so the Nets get it if the Warriors are in the playoffs. If it goes to 2012, the pick is protected 1-to-11. It’s protected 1-to-10 for 2013. If it is not conveyed by 2013, the Nets s\get second rounders in 2013 and 2015.
BTW, IT LOOKS OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL!!!!
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Wow
so much for a big trade.
i hope we win a championship soon
by Da Jrich tribute on Jul 22, 2008 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a good trade.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird terms
Trading a draft pick 3 years ahead of time. At least we’re never giving up a top 10 pick. We’ve got that going for it. I like the trade. I’ve liked Marcus since his college days.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 22, 2008 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe
the years of the pick reflect when mullin believes the team will be competitive again at least? as in 2011 is when he expects the warriors to make the playoffs again. sad if its true
by llamalimbo1 on Jul 22, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thinking
seems to be that thats when we could/should be legitimate contenders. With such a young core I wouldnt argue that. I’m hoping the young guys can learn quite a bit this year and we land a top 10 pick, next year we make the playoffs as a bottom 4 seed and then in 2011, as Beans, Monta, Wiliams, Wright, Randolph and whoever we land next draft enter their primes, we contend for a top 4 spot in the west.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
you think it is good thinking or bad thinking? Because you say you wouldn’t argue it, but your reasoning sounds like you would.
I don’t really know what to make of the deal because I don’t know what kind of player Williams is, and I don’t know the terms of his contract.
by belilaugh on Jul 22, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no I dont argue with the reasoning
I think we could have a very good team in 3 years…. a team that could be picking in the 20’s rather than in the teens. If that happens its a good trade.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
next year we make the playoffs as a bottom 4 seed and then in 2011, as Beans, Monta, Wiliams, Wright, Randolph and whoever we land next draft enter their primes, we contend for a top 4 spot in the west.
You forget that if they do ever make the playoffs the management will send rudolf to the bobcats to shed salary, Montay to the clips, and sign a rebuilding core of 8th graders.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Billy Beane doesnt run the Warriors.
NO ‘Y’ IN MONTA!
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
the warriors don’t make the playoffs often enough to be a billy beane run team.
god, it hurt to write that, but the remark had to be made.
and can we get a “spell monta’s name right” movement? come on people. i bet no one in denver botches the spelling on carmelo.
by cap'n hack on Jul 24, 2008 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah its a good trade for us
but im not sure if this is going to help us….what are we gonna do with CJ Watson? i think he might be a better/if not just as good option as a backup PG
by 3Kings650 on Jul 22, 2008 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We sort of have Watson. He isn’t actually signed at this point.
Watson may or may not be better than Williams. Williams shot the long ball better last year, rebounded much better and is reported to be more of a “true point guard”. He also turned the ball over a bunch and his overall FG% stunk. Watson was the more efficient scorer, but never really showed that he was a point guard and he’s pretty small. I don’t know how accurate the height/weight listings are, but Marcus Williams is a solid, strong player. He was considered a late lottery talent coming out of UConn who slipped because of character issues. I’d have rather had him than the POB then and the same is true now.
Will it help? Doubtful it will make a big difference, but if we find out that Monta is much more effective next to a real point guard, we’ve got the insurance policy to give it a try. With Watson, no such option was available.
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
Watson has limited salary protection. If we renounce in the next 2 days, he’s just gone. After that, he’s got 100k coming to him if waived, else the Warriors keep him on a min salary. No official decision has been made as far as I’m aware though.
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU
Guess what! I knew Marcus Williams would fit into the Warriors perfectly who remembers me saying Marcus Williams!
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
quite a few people mentioned him, dating all the way back to the Devin Harris trade.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
I just wanted to feel special for a little bit… Thanks for bringing me back to reality… lol hahahaha
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you were probably
the first to dedicate a post to the subject if that makes you feel special
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With this trade...
... I have a feeling we’re gonna let go of CJ.
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by JonDoe on Jul 22, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
worry more about
KAz – he’s more likely the one out of the picture now
CJ & Williams are cheaper and can swing between pg/sg + we are stuck paying Bellinelli, which is three guards backing up Ellis, SJax, and Maggs and that doesn’t include Randolph if he’s really a SF
Ellis- CJ- Williams
SJax- CJ/Williams/Bellinelli
Maggette- Randolph
cannot imagine Ellis & CJ playing together much but could imagine Williams (who’s a good 30 lb thicker than Monta) guarding bigger guards.
IMO KAz is more valueable than any of the three of them.
damn, wanted to see KAz re-signed too
at least we’re not making a foolish trade, like moving Harrington for a backup PG …
by hardcore on Jul 22, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d think this actually makes it more likely than we re-sign Buike.
Mullin hasn’t commented on Buike one way or another, which would make you think that the decision was contingent on how they added a backup PG salary-wise. This Williams addition is much cheaper than many of the rumored alternatives, so the numbers for Buike are more likely to add up now.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like this trade at all...
We allready have a backup point guard in CJ that is just as good as this kid, and we’ve now pretty much given up on matching Kelenna which sucks, because he’s going to be a solid player in the league for years to come. Oh well I’m not the GM.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jul 22, 2008 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
Warriors already stated they wanted to carry 3 point guards this season.
Why do you say the Warriors have givin up on matching Kelenna?
Pree said the warriors were waiting to see what happned this week before they match Kelenna or not. With this trade its more likely they do match now. Because speculation, was they were waiting to see if they got Louis, who would have cost alot more. Below you said he is not free, True. But he is not that much.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that i'm disagreeing with you
but the roster is currently at 13 players and depending on how much Monta & Andris sign for and what the specific # ’s are on KAz’s and Magg’s contracts, Kelenna could put us over the luxury tax.
either way we should know what the plan is with CJ in the coming days. since
A partial contract guarantee kicks in for Watson on July 25, and another kicks in if he’s on the roster at the beginning of the season. If he’s on the roster in January, his deal becomes guaranteed for the year at the league minimum for a second-year player ($711,517)http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_9903531
by the evil monkey on Jul 22, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt the roster at 12?
who am I missing
1. Marco Belinelli 2. Andris Biedrins 3. Monta Ellis 4. Al Harrington 5. Richard Hendrix
6. Stephen Jackson 7. Corey Maggette 8. Kosta Perovic 9. Anthony Randolph 10. C.J. Watson 11. Brandan Wright 12. Marcus Williams
or were you counting Kaz as #13
I still think there is a good chance Kosta goes back to Europe.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
turiaf
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 22, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not much room
for roster hopefuls like Demarcus Nelson, Jamont Gordon, Louis Amundson, or Anthony Morrow. Too bad I kinda liked each of those guys, and would especially like to see Gordon, even if it means releasing Watson.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can still make the team
the NBA season allows 15 players on a team but only 12 active on roster… so we still could take some in.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what Marcus Thompson just said on KNBR...
Dubs still have a chance to keep Kaz because they have a lil change left. I hope this is true and I hope the Warrior organization’s intentions is too keep him. Even though Barnes had a bad season last year, I would have liked to see him return and see what he could do next year. Oh well, its done and over it.
Romes Mac Mojous
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jul 22, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With this trade, the Warriors sit about 3.2 million under the cap if they do not match Azubuike. If they match, they’re essentially at the cap. Getting rid of Azubuike and CJ would clear about 4 mil for next season. That’s enough to do something with, and if there’s a reasonable player who fits a need, I could see spending the change to do it, but I suspect strongly that they won’t find a guy who is both as productive and young as Azubuike.
Assuming that the money under the cap is spent (e.g. Azubuike is matched or that money gets spent elsewhere) this leaves 21million under the TAX threshold for next year’s contracts to Ellis and Biedrins. That’s sort of the price tag that I’d seen them averaging (combined) going into the off season, but figures go up, so it will probably take that to keep them happy. Still, it’s probably enough.
That doesn’t leave the team as a contender, but they could stay in the playoff hunt, provided the ball bounces their way a few times.
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s about how I see it. It’s a team that’ll go as far as Monta can take them, essentially. If he can hang at point guard decently enough and everything breaks our way, I could see maybe a 47-win season. If the experiment bombs, a 47-loss season wouldn’t surprise me.
Cheering for a team in the middle of the pack isn’t the most fun thing, but I feel strangely good about this season. The team is Monta’s… it’ll be fascinating to see how he handles being The Guy.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see 47 losses without some significant injury issues.
I’ve done some win estimates based on who we have and what they did last year and their injury history over the last three years and see this team’s 50th percentile for wins at about 43. Note: this does not at all include any changes to strength of schedule, but that rarely impacts win totals as much as people think. Since we’re in the west, it’s probably more like a 42 over-under. This includes the likelihood that Maggs will only be available for mid 60 games, but it also includes Azubuike coming back and performing at the level he did last year in the replacement minutes at the 2 and 3.
The prediction has upper and lower quartiles of 47 and 38 wins, meaning that there’s no better than a 1 in 4 chance of being better or worse than those figures. A 47 win season means being in the total bomb out space and no production from the Azubuike spot. Of course, if we’re depending on Belinelli, that could happen, as his “production” last year was actually a drag on win probability. Every minute he plays at the level he did last year increases the likelihood that we lose.
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds about right to me… on talent, we seem like a .500 team, maybe even a bit better than that. I just don’t know how to quantify the Monta-as-PG experiment in terms of our expected record… how bad would the worst-case scenarios be in terms of wins and losses? I assume we wouldn’t lose that many games before they decided to shift things around - maybe 35-47 is excessive - but I just can’t tell how damaging the lack of a capable point guard would be in this league.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The prediction has upper and lower quartiles of 47 and 38 wins, meaning that there’s no better than a 1 in 4 chance of being better or worse than those figures.
Hi Jae, Did you run a similar evaluation of last years team? How did it compare to the forecast?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, I had the 50th at 40 wins. I didn’t compute the upper and lower quartiles. Clearly, they exceeded that. They exceeded based on two important things. #1: Monta improved significantly, more or less doubling his productivity from the year before. But more important: Baron was healthy for 82 games. Actually, the whole team stayed very, very healthy. Since I based the projections on the previous 3 seasons being a good indicator of how someone’s health would run, they exceeded what I had predicted largely by being able to play for the whole season.
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eskf
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 22, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pessimist
I dont really see this team making a serious run at the playoffs this season with Utah, New Orleans, San Antonio, and LA as virutal locks for the top 4 seeds. That leaves Houston, Phoenix, Dallas, Portland, Sacramento, Denver, and the Clips all battling the Warriors for the last 4 spots if your rule out the TWolves, OKC, or Memphis making huge jumps. All those teams have serious question marks, but, as much as I’d love to see it I dont see the Dubs beating out 4 of them. I’d love to hear an argument for how it could happen though, I want to believe!
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to hear an argument for how it could happen though, I want to believe!
Yao breaks his leg, Shaq has a heart attack, On a double travel day the Denver and portland teams planes have a mid air collision?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao breaking (or injuring) his leg is likely, because he puts so much pressure on it being 7’6.
Shaq may not have a heart attack, but will he really be that effective over an entire season? And Phoenix no longer has Marion since they gambled last year, and they no longer have D’Antoni. Nash is getting up there, though he’ll likely still be elite in the near future.
Denver just gave away Camby, who according to some following the team was the only guy playing defense sometimes. They have Carmelo Anthony’s issues over their head, Iverson is getting up in age, and they lost Najera, a guy who last year hit all sorts of clutch shots he’s never hit in his career before that (I still couldn’t believe his play last year).
Portland is still very young. There are no guarantees that Oden or Bayless or Fernandez will be anything. Oden is injury prone. Bayless looked good in summer league, but so do a lot of players. Fernandez is coming from Europe, and a lot of the European transplants (one we know very well in particular) struggle to play NBA level defense. They lost James Jones too. This may be the year where they all learn to play together (all of them, unlike last year).
San Antonio may be relying on Ginobili, who got hurt yet is still participating in the Olympics. And it’s never been wise to bet against Duncan before, but eventually he will have to slow down due to his age.
Dallas has Jason Kidd, who is getting up in age as well.
Sacramento has the Artest situation. In addition to that, Brad Miller may be done for, and quite honestly we are just better overall than Sacramento. They aren’t a team that concerns us.
The Clippers don’t have Elton Brand. What they do have are two players that play the same position (Camby and Kaman), an injury prone point guard who burned out last year and is getting up there as well, a rookie who did not look particularly good in summer league, and of course, a starting lineup that includes Cuttino Mobley. Unless Thornton makes a big leap, I think we are better than them too. Kaman at the four?
Utah, New Orleans, and LA have to stay healthy. But hey, if LA gets a significant injury Memphis has a good little farm system to choose from.
We are flawed, but so are a lot of teams.
by belilaugh on Jul 22, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skeptic you a lame
Lkaer fan who gived a shi* whether you beleive.
by smearthebeard on Jul 22, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man ease up
he’s a big contributor to this blog respect him.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember...
Back in the days when there were only like 8 people blogging on GSoM?! I don’t! hahaha!
by Tony.psd on Jul 22, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah lol HAHAHHA
and I was one of the dummie ones lol hahahaha i remember that and people would always try and kill me… you gotta admit though these new people are waaay worse than i was and plus like all the dudes back before were waaaay more harsh man lol hahaha
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAN!
You a Jive Turkey aka Lakers fan!
I kid! I kid!
by Tony.psd on Jul 22, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH NO!
personally I think the penalty should be like… getting kicked off the site for that lol hahahahaha
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember when
I was the only besides two others that would post fanposts as there called now. Things are definately alot diff around here now.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah not the same as before....
lots of Bandwagoners!
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Web Pins!
Like my Ike Diogu Webpin! LOL
by Tony.psd on Jul 23, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow I never got to see that one...
LOL HAHAHAHAHA and yeah I definitely miss my 1965 Warriors Logo…
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a classic
I still remember the contest for the warrior wonder logo, only 4 images were submitted and two of them were by me. And I still lost… Doh.
Or who all remembers the essay contest way back?
These days if they did those they would get so many entires and so much garbage to go through, they would have to pull their hair out.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol hahahaha
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want old school?
I remember bulletin boards before there was a World Wide Web and you didn’t need five citations to back up any crazy assertion you felt like making.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
by achiappanza on Jul 23, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol GSoM is that old? lol I think were talking about OLD Skool GSoM
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but you can add picture easy to every post 
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 23, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
You know you love the unrealistic trades, the impossible trades or blaming Mullin for every free agent that doesn’t choose to sign with the warriors at the league min.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you a lame Lkaer fan?
You do know that the Lakers were in the finals while we went fishing?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang thats the new thing here on GSoM!
Calling someone a laker fan here on GSoM!
Did you see Semi Pro- Peeps would be mad for callin’ folks JIVE TURKEYS!
by Tony.psd on Jul 22, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
foyles deal
Dont forget to add foyles deal, so thats like 10 million we’ll have under the cap if buike and watson arent around. Thats pretty significant… I hope we have that much free space in the next two years, we’ll have even more FA’s to talk about.
by q00pster on Jul 22, 2008 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good trade. If we don’t have to dump Al to get a credible backup, we shouldn’t. This trade will literally never cost us a truly valuable pick… pretty impressive.
I’m not convinced that this spells the end of Buike, either. We shall see…
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
correct me if im wrong...
Was Monta picked in the second round?
by sarangc on Jul 22, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade will literally never cost us a truly valuable pick
How can you say that? Randolph was picked at 14, are you saying he’ll never be valuable? Nobody picked after the top 10 is ever valuable?
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph was picked at 14, are you saying he’ll never be valuable
That’s not the point, it was that a decent backup now is worth more to this team than a 14 pick somewhere down the road cause usually the only easy decisions are the Odens and Roses that go right away , by 14 it’s a more difficult guess . We had to get someone cause all we had was a 2 guard and small backup.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a fine argument
but you cant say we gave up a pick that will “literally never have any value.”
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key is the word “truly”... that may sound like hair-splitting, but I elaborated in a post a little farther down.
Yes, #14 picks have some value. You can sometimes get a good player at 14. You can get a good player in the second round sometimes… you can even get a good player from the D-League, occasionally.
The point is that mid-round picks are fairly unlikely to net real stars. You can get pieces to add to your team, maybe you luck into somebody every once in a while, but the really intriguing talents are generally gone by then. You’ll never hear a team say, “Awesome, we got the 11th pick in the draft.” It’s a somewhat mediocre position to be in… I think we’re all worried that the Warriors are headed there.
That’s not to say that the picks are worthless. You can get solid rotation guys at 14, you can draft a project, you can trade the pick… the pick has some value.
In my opinion, Marcus Williams equals or exceeds the maximum value of this pick. This pick can be no higher than 11th, and it’s more than likely going to be lower than that. There are no nightmare scenarios here. At 11th or lower, you’re not likely to find a star. You’re hoping to find one, sure, but you’re just hoping. Marcus Williams has at least as good of a chance to be a star as the 11-15 picks in most drafts.
Incidentally, I’m certainly intrigued by Randolph, but I still think the safest bet is that he doesn’t amount to anything. He’s skinny, he’s raw, and his teams haven’t won… there are very big, very real question marks around him. Those question marks are why he was available at 14.
by onlxn on Jul 23, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.what are we gonna do with CJ Watson?
Trade CJ and Montay for one good point guard, then re-sign KaBuki!
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Never trade Monte...
....unless you getting Kobe or D-How in return.
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by JonDoe on Jul 22, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never trade Monte...
If we could trade Montay for a top flight point guard we’d never have to worry about covering for Montay’s lack of size or lack of defense. We could play a more balanced game with a distributing point and a full size 2 guard. We were a lot better with Boom and JRich at 1 and 2 than with Montay at 1 and Belinelli or Rudeolf at 2.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Define "top flight PG"
CP3? Yes
DWill? Yes
Billups? No
Diddy? Humm….
What’s your bottom line with Monta?
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 22, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billiups is the only one of those 4 who has won a title.
I’d give him a little more credit than what you think.
P.S. Our fans can’t spell Monta’s name right.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 22, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s your bottom line with Monta?
I’d love to keep him and let him play the 2 spot. I’d rather we invested Magette’s money in a young hi quality point guard unless we plan to trade Montay? I think playing players in their natural position works better than trying to make them something they aren’t. Do you have a position you are best at? Would you feel you could do better playing a position you are not good at?? Do you like playing for a coach that recognizes your talents and shortcomings and can adjust his roster to match what he has???
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory, I’d have rather had a young, high qual PG than Maggs as well. In practice though, who is that guy? Who might have been available?
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who might have been available?
I don’t know but I’d have been on the phones dealing. Maybe Felton? He’s not CP3 quality but he’s a lot better than what we have now.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felton is so good Larry Brown took a look at him and drafted a point guard.
by Nellieball on Jul 22, 2008 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felton may be a better prospect at this point than Marcus Williams, but I don’t know if it’s that substantial. I’m pretty sure it’s NOT as substantial as their guaranteed salary differences. Williams and Maggs does more for this team than Felton and…?
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams and Maggs does more for this team than Felton and…?
Who knows? I don’t remember who was on the trading block back then :>) Maybe Felton and Artest?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skeptic...remember what your twin bro said
“Stupid is what stupid does”
by smearthebeard on Jul 22, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams+Maggs >>>>>>>>> Felton+Artest-Jax
or whoever we’d now have to trade for Artest.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors already said
They wanted to carry 3 point gaurds this season. So CJ should be back, just might have less playin time. Who knows with injurys and all though, what could happen.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get your hopes up on SL.
I like CJ, but he and Marcus Williams’ game are totally different. CJ is more of the shooter, slasher type player, while WIlliams can shoot the long ball but also will look to set up his teammates a little more.
I think a battle for first PG off the bench is in order right now, but I give a slight edge to Williams (for now), coming into this season.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 22, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also this kid
is a career 39% shooter, he shot a percentage point better from 3 point range then from the field last year, c’mon I don’t need this kid on the team, Watson looks to be a much better player.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jul 22, 2008 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
why would we trade a first-round pick for a guy who wouldn’t make the team? you are nuts.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 22, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like we gave up alittle to much
for someone whos going to be a back up. i know its a protected 1st still to much. is he that good to start him next to monta?
by Rach on Jul 22, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is he that good to start him?
No way, can’t believe he is being brought in as any more than Monta’s backup, and if he beats out CJ or they split the duties that’d probably mean 12-15 mpg max under Nelson
by hardcore on Jul 22, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with maggette and jackson at the two spots there is no way this team acquires anyone that starts “next to” monta.
every remaining move this off season is for role players and bench depth. unless any obvious starter gets moved.
by so ill so d0pe on Jul 22, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anticipation
I think Adam Lauridsen sums it up best in his latest blog entry in regards to CJ WATSON.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/warriors/2008/07/22/where-we-stand-2/
What he failed to demonstrate, however, was that he could run a team in anything other than a fast break setting. He’s young and might still learn, but from my limited exposure to Watson running the summer league team, the intangibles of timing, court vision, and spacing didn’t appear to be there. CJ should have a fine NBA career as a combo guard, but with the Warriors in desperate need of a true point, it remains to be seen whether the team will lock him in for the 08-09 season.
Things are surely getting interesting…
I’m just waiting on news about Kelenna Azubuike and any news on the re-signing of Monta and Andris.
talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish
by starry night on Jul 22, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
CJ
is allready signed for the 08-09 season at the minimum or 8.5% more than the minimum since it’s his second season with us, and it’s not like this Williams kid has shown anyone that he can be any good at the point. All in all I like CJ’s defense he’s got handles, quickness and a shot, I’m not so sure if Williams has any of the above.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jul 22, 2008 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You've never watched New Jersey play then.
I’m confident that Mully has found his diamond in the rough. Although I liked Williams coming out of UConn.
If he can play good as a reserve and get Monta’s minutes down to 30-32MPG, all the while maintaining intensity and flow of the game, then isn’t a future protected lottery selection worth it?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 22, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Way
Monta plays 30-32 mins/game. 40-42 mins/game is more like it.
by Colorado Fan on Jul 22, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why Mullin went and got a backup PG. He doesn't want Monta's minutes to be 40+mpg.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 22, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you already lost your credibility
when you said williams won’t make the team…just stop there
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 22, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade give us diversity
I don’t think scoring is Marcus’s strength – which is good – hopefully he will bring a pass first mentality and a bigger body to match up against Deron Williams, Baron Davis type pgs. Has anyone seen his defensive skills? I like this trade because it gives us some diversity at the pg.
by lawrencehagman on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
KELENNA
i think this means that we’ll probabaly resign buike….we were holdin out for that possible offer to Lou Williams for the last pieces of the salary cap. but now that we picked up our PG for FREE then we can afford to bring azubuike back…fuck the clippers
by 3Kings650 on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Williams is not free he's 1.2M
Which means we are closer to the lux tax afer we sign Monta and Biedrins leaving little to no money to bring back Kelenna. He’s as good as gone, hope you all like Marco Bythewayicantdefendatallelli
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jul 22, 2008 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hes alot cheaper than trying to give williams an offer
and i will like marco belinelli. and so will you once the season starts
by 3Kings650 on Jul 22, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I won't I've seen him play in the summer league
against inferior competition and I wasn’t impressed.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jul 22, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
against douby?
i saw that one. ouch.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 22, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
relatively free
in that we don’t have to trade a player for him, we add his salary (and KAz’s too hopefully) BEFORE re-signing our RFAs and going over the cap but under the luxury tax … those picks cannot be assessed until those drafts actually take place but considering how young we already are, not adding another rookie in one of those years wouldn’t stem our youth movement much and if we suck and are in the lottery we essentially rented MW for two second rounders … not sexy, but not a big gamble either
by hardcore on Jul 22, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question? Where did this news come from? What Quote?
by ineemoney21 on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's on Sportingnews.com
quoting the ever-reliable NY Post…
by Eggman on Jul 22, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its
because marcus is left handed.
by t1andonlywall on Jul 22, 2008 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 22, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
marcus williams has A LOT of potential he just hasn’t had the chance to develop because he got stuck playing behind jason kidd and devon harris. I think he could be a very nice pickup considering what we gave up for him. I’m guessing he’s going to be another project though…....
by shakenbakeuhear on Jul 22, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Left Handed Shooter
Looks like Mullin is almost done putting together an all left hander line-up!
by jrchristian510 on Jul 22, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Insert
humorous Attack of the Clones/Warriors mashup poster
"Hold it. The Schwarzenegger Library?" - John Spartan after hearing Arnold became President, from Demolition Man
by 61st Amendment on Jul 22, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
solid
i seem to like it more than most people. granted he was a 20-something pick in a weak draft, but he should have gone higher, so basically we’re trading a similar pick for him. also, we don’t need any more young players at those times (2011-2013). however, with the warriors luck, watch a future superstar be taken with the pick we give to the nets.
anyway, i’m not sure how valid this report is. i heard on KNBR that the warriors were signing louis williams to an offer sheet. that kinda contradicts this…
by gogoldenbears on Jul 22, 2008 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just kidding
maybe it was marcus williams they mentioned. but regardless i guess this eliminates louis williams from our radar?
by gogoldenbears on Jul 22, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Like the Trade
Since we’re not giving up much, I like the gamble. He has upside, and that seems to be Mullin’s middle name nowadays. However, after reading Hollinger’s take on him before last season, he definitely won’t be our savior. Let’s hope the new scenery helps him out.
2006-07 season: Talk about false advertising. Williams came into the league billed as a pass-first point guard, but instead started firing away like he was World B. Free. The lefty had the sixth-highest usage rate among point guards - for comparison’s sake, Jason Kidd was 27th - and was second only to Vince Carter on the Nets in that category. But the shots he was creating weren’t for others—he ranked a modest 35th in assist ratio.Instead, Williams kept shooting, even though he wasn’t particularly good at it. He made 39.5 percent from the floor, only 28.2 percent on 3-pointers, and had one of the league’s lowest shooting percentages in the immediate basket area (46.5 percent). He was terrible at drawing fouls, too, ranking 61st out of 67 point guards in free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt. All told he ranked 59th at his position in true shooting percentage, making one wonder why he called his number so often.
And while Williams didn’t create many shots for teammates, he did for opponents—only two point guards had a worse turnover ratio. All told, it was a bizarre turn for a rookie who was supposed to be following in Jason Kidd’s unselfish footsteps.
Scouting report: A left-hander with a nice touch, Williams looks like he’ll be a decent shooter when he gets the open jumper and should eventually add 3-point range. But on the drive, he forces up more slop than a sump pump. His lefty forays to the rim invariably led to him challenging bigger players near the basket, something that’s not so effective for Williams since he’s a marginal athlete.
As a point guard, Williams seems to have a good feel for the game and handles the ball well, but seemed to quit on plays if there wasn’t anything in it for him. The same mentality led him to eschew the mundane pass for the spectacular, often with disastrous consequences. He also had a nasty habit of dribbling into traps.
Defensively, Williams was beaten easily off the dribble by opposing guards and needs to improve his lateral movement and fitness. His size is helpful, and one can imagine him becoming a decent defender if he puts in the effort.
2007-08 outlook: Williams again will be Jason Kidd’s understudy; let’s hope this year some of Kidd’s unselfishness rubs off on him. Rookie point guards with high turnover ratios often show rapid improvement in their second and third seasons; the Nets will have to hope Williams learns from his rookie mistakes and makes more of an effort to be the distributor New Jersey thought it was getting in the draft last year.
Most similar at age: Jay Williams
by Dubbadown on Jul 22, 2008 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
holy crap!
That’s not oven luke-warm; Williams was terrible last season! Can’t shoot, does not pass and, worst of all, TURNS THE BALL OVER FREQUENTLY!!!
by Jeremy Belvins on Jul 22, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong on all counts!
lol he’s great! He’s just another player that need more play time and experience he’ll be a very descent player at least.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy will be our starting PG . . .
. . . allowing Ellis to stay at SG spot. The price is too cheap to not match so they will bring Buike back. Remember, Belinelli had a great summer league last year so don’t believe what you see (it almost never translates to real NBA ball). Also Belinelli may be the worst defender I ever saw (Randolph is not very good either). Belinelli will not get anymore time then last year unless the Dubs really suck next year. I don’t see that happening though. I was the biggest BD fan ever, but last year his selfish play cost us the playoffs. He shot way too much last year and was never consistent. We need a good ball handler and passer in the open court – we just found one. Sure, he can’t shoot and they say can’t defend – but hey were talking about the Dubs not the Spurs or Pistons.
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure bout that
like everyone’s mentioned…he’s a backup type of pg…
And starting him would produce this starting lineup…
1: M. Williams
2: Monta
3: Stack
4: Machette
5: (Biedrins or Al)
I can see Nelson experimenting with it, but not using it a whole lot
by wizard5ive on Jul 22, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually would tend to agree
because williams and baron were of somewhat similar stature…williams could ostensibly guard 2’s while monta “guards” the 1’s.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 22, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not feeling this trade
If Monta is supposed to be the point guard, why would you trade for Williams? This goes against everything that Mullin and Nelson have been saying since Baron bailed on the Warriors.
The Nets picked Williams with the 22nd pick of the first round a couple years ago. He hasn’t lived up to that first round pick and now the Warriors trade a first round pick for him? Good thing it’s a conditional first round pick otherwise we would have really overpaid for him.
by NBA on Jul 22, 2008 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why make this trade? Because even if Monta is your starting point guard, he’s backed up by…? Watson? Maybe, but he didn’t set the world on fire in his playmaking last year. He’s not the change of pace to a natural distributor that would make a backup useful, nor is he even the slightest bit of an insurance policy against the Monta experiment failing (and there’s a very good chance it will fail) and needing to move him back to the 2. Williams would be a better solution to pair with Monta than CJ. Williams is bigger and stronger and has more experience running the point than C.J.
Williams has lived up to about what you get in the middle of the first round. At pick 22, you’re lucky to get a guy who can do anything at all in the league. He’s played behind Kidd and received limited minutes, but he’s not better terrible. He’s been a bit below average for an NBA point guard. Given that most guys get better throughout their first few seasons, there’s still a reasonable chance that he’ll give us average production. (Think carefully about what average means. Too many people translate average to mean lousy.)
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with what you said
Except for the part about the late first rounder. Those are for guys with great upside potential and good fundamentals who are ahead of the class on the “project” scale. Williams has skills, just has never put them together right, which is why there is NO risk in this trade. Excellent deal, big fan.
by pinkycheal on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Late first rounders can be anything
They can be unathletic producers, they can be awesome guys with character issues, they can be risky projects, they can be guys nobody’s heard of. You can’t peg one type of player into any part of the draft.
Williams falls into the “had skills” in college but has character issues and conditioning issues. We’ll see. I like the trade too BTW.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 22, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope I'm wrong.
I am willing to give Williams a chance but from what I have seen of him last year and his stats, we might have given up a little too much for him. I would have preferred to see Lou Williams or possibly Janero Pargo. Let’s just hope that Williams can show us that he can play defense. If he can, then the trade was worth it.
by NBA on Jul 22, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou Williams is a restricted free agent. He’s on the small side and there’s some notion that he’s really another combo guard, a poor man’s Monta. I’m not sure that we get much balance with both of them on the club.
Pargo is a backup and would have been an adequate backup. But his numbers don’t suggest that he’s significantly better than Wiiliams and he’s very likely to have played out any upside he may once have had. Pargo
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's at least got range...
Monta does not. At this point.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure who you are referencing with as having range. Pargo or Lou Williams?
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Williams
He’s not great, but improving. I’m not saying he’s better than Monta by a long shot, just that he’s more of a standard guard than Monta. Sorry for my complete lack of clarity.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gave up too much?
what did they give up? i mean, you’re assuming the warriors make the playoffs. considering it takes 50 wins to make it there, the warriors probably just got williams for free.
by grifftannen on Jul 22, 2008 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the terms above are correct, the most Williams could cost us is the 11th pick in the draft five years from now—realistically, it’d probably be a pick in the 13-20 range.
I’m not saying picks in that range are worth nothing. They have some value, particularly for trading purposes.
But this is a 22-year-old point guard who was highly regarded coming out of college… some had him listed in their top ten. He broke his foot last year, but came back from it with no lingering effects, by all accounts - that’s not the kind of injury that tends to have long-term implications for a guard. He hasn’t played particularly well overall - has shot poorly, turned it over a lot—but he’s done some good things. His assist rate is significantly higher than that of anyone on our roster, and compares with that of a number of starting NBA points. He rebounds decently, far better than Watson, for instance. He shot quite well from 3 last year; too early to know if that’ll stay consistent, but it’s a positive.
The point is this: Marcus Williams has at least as much potential as your typical 13-20 pick, and arguably more. In light of that, I don’t see the cost as a problem.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVe24XOnnpI&NR=1
i m not biggest fan of Williams
i m fan of Mullin :)
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 22, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That alley oop at the end is SICK!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 22, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
all i could find about him in youtube shows that this kid has a great court vision
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 22, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair, that was a preseason game and there is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDGV5WJSfmU&feature=related
on the other hand, there’s this
by the evil monkey on Jul 22, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know that was a preseason game
but that’s not about court vision
-this is about court vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luNYqnZcfQQ
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 22, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, no need to be defensive
i’m just trying to look at things objectively. IMO, that really isn’t court vision that looks like a set play (notice how he’s staring at VC the whole way through). i don’t know that the jacque vaughns’ of the league don’t also make that decision – how many PGs, even back ups, miss a guy streaking to the hoop uncontested? i will say, that despite not being fundamentally sound, the pass is pretty nice.
by the evil monkey on Jul 22, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
you’re right :)
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 22, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, did you see this one?
pretty nice crossover… and looks like he isn’t too fond of either RJ or chest bumps…
by the evil monkey on Jul 22, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this vid is
LOL :))
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 22, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
that was funny as hell
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOUTUBE
Well since you guys are linking YOUTUBE vids, I thought I’d join in! =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVe24XOnnpI&feature=related
They have some nice clips of him handling the rock, passing, and shooting! I think he had 21 pts, 5 rebs, 9 asst.
by scottiepimppen on Jul 22, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You fail
That’s the same clip from the original post. That’s a SICK alley oop though!!!
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS A GREAT TRADE!!!
CJ is a point guard but is always going to have issues… Monta needs a back up to support him if/when the experiment goes bad. This guy wont start, but he had some killer games against us, need a drill sargent (Nelly) to get his head on straight, and should be an excellent piece of the team. I think it means we WILL resign Buke and Sweet Lou will stay in Philly. Reports are our talks about Lou motivated Philly to start talking to Lou about a contract, and I am going to guess that we would have been priced out of the market. Why not shore up the backup position now for a guy who could be fantastic? He has as much potential at this point as a beat up Livingston and any other trash we could find out there. Good pick up boys… now go get Buke and our two big guys.
Guess this means no Hinrich for Al trade, which is cool cause Kurt was EXPENSIVE and overrated.
Starting Five
Monta/Williams/CJ
Jackson/Bellinelli/Morrow
Maggette/Randolph
Harrington/Wright//Hendrix
Andres/Turiaf/Kosta
Throw in Morrow and a few of these other guys from Summer League that are tearing it up and we have a team with a lot of POTENTIAL. Not saying by any means we are a favorite, but hey, lets put them out there and see what happens. Who knows? Maybe we sneak up on some people
by pinkycheal on Jul 22, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s an interesting lineup, especially if we retain Buike after all. There are certainly issues - each of those PGs comes with a question mark or two, and we’re still a good big man short - but that looks like a credible, enjoyable team.
The key is how much Nelson uses the bench. Kawakami had a good blog post the other day about Mullin’s commitment to adding depth—this does look like a team that could produce a viable nine-man rotation. If Nelson gives guys like Turiaf, Wright, Randolph, Williams and (I guess) Belinelli some burn, this will be an enjoyable “let’s see what we’ve got” season, and I think we could sniff .500, to boot. If he starts grinding his starters for 40 minutes a night again, it’ll be a worse season in every way. The good news is that he’s not a big Al fan, so there should be frontcourt minutes available, at the very least.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
We finally have depth in our team. Resign Buike and we have a nice core.
by wwong01 on Jul 22, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could also let Buike go and see what we get from DeMarcus Nelson.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 22, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeMarcus Nelson sucks
this guy can’t even make half his free throws c’mon man.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!
by warriorsfiend on Jul 22, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually he is not bad
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 22, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy will be our starting PG . . .allowing Ellis to stay at SG spot.
I don’t think this guy is a good enough shooter to be our starter(his made percentages look quite low), even Montay might do better than him at point ! Dang, that’s sad!!
Williams will probably be backup to whoever we get to play point but his price is low, so no harm no foul.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some of last years stats . . .
. . . normally I hate stats:
2pt FG/3pt FG%
38/38 Williams
—-—-—-—-—-
36/36 Kidd (NJ)
49/26 Rondo
50/40 Williams, Deron
48/37 Paul (CP3)
-—-—-—-—-—-—-
42/33 BD
His 2pt FG% will rise dramatically as he will be getting more layups in the open court. His 3pt F% is respectable. BUT, he needs to PASS to the SCORERS not look to shoot. If he can do this he will be successful. Remember, Monta DOES NOT like playing PG and he is often out of control and too impatient. Dubs may try for a while (Monta at PG), but I seem them abandoning that decision early in the season (unless Monta suprises us all).
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still really young....
He might flourish in our system, everyone develops on their own schedule. Hopefully he does well.
by goldenstatefan on Jul 22, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he's already been wikipedia'd
haha…wiki shows him as a warrior…i don’t know how these people on wiki do it, but it’s amazing…
blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Williams%28University_of_Connecticut%29
by wizard5ive on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another thing about Williams: his injury last year conceals the fact that he actually did improve from his rookie year, once he got his legs back under him. Here are his pre-All-Star break stats, when they were working him back in after his foot injury:
24 games, 10.1 minutes, .329 FG%, .324 3P%, 1.0 TO, 1.2 REB, 1.5 AST, 3.2 PTS
Pretty frightful. But here are his post-All-Star-break stats:
29 games, 21.1 minutes, .396 FG%, .400 3p%, 1.8 TO, 2.5 REB, 3.6 AST, 8.1 PTS
No great shakes either, but these numbers are dramatically better. His playing time doubled as they re-incorporated him into the rotation. He responded by playing better in almost every way: he shot better, both from long-distance and in general, he assisted a bit more often and turned it over a bit less often, and he scored more. He rebounded at about the same rate. These are encouraging trends, when you’re talking about a 22-year-old point guard.
Many folks were hoping that the Warriors would add a savvy, veteran pure backup point. They haven’t done that here—in fact, they’ve added another gamble to the roster. But I happen to think this guy is an awfully good gamble, for the price.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Plus he's got a hook on laptops
good trade. we need harrington more then we need 1st round pick in 3 years. can’t believe i said that sentence.
by Squall on Jul 22, 2008 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well
It a pretty decent trade. I rather have Marcus Williams running pg than monta. At least we got real pg handling the ball now.
by warriorfan4life on Jul 22, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
disillusioned
here i thought Mullin would be looking for an experienced PG and not one still trying to establish himself. it’s going to be interesting how things work out this year. and all this happened cus of BD. karma came back to get him though. Go W’s!
by JRich25 on Jul 22, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Letting Buike go is a GOOD thing
Fact is, Buike will play backup 3 for us if he’s here. If anyone has watched the summer league, Randolph has shown that he was a much higher pick then 14, physically hes much more gifted then Buike (he can handle the ball more, create his own shots, height and length advantage, etc etc etc) and still has a ton of room to improve. The warriors front office probably looks at him and says, well we could resign Buike or we could give this kid some time to imrpove. Randolph has the potential to be a future face of the Warriors franchise, Buike will forever be a rotation player. Who would you rather give the minutes to? Thank you Buike for the work you’ve put in as a warrior, but I’d rather see you walk then take away minutes from Randolph
by kyzah on Jul 22, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m all for seeing what Randolph can do, but I think Buike would still be useful as a backup 2, both because I don’t totally believe in Belinelli, and because depth is never a bad thing. For a price that small, I think you just need Buike and figure out the rotation later.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you rather give the minutes to?
The guy who’s earned it with our playoff squad. Send the rook to Bakersfield for a season so we can play without distraction.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
why would randolph go to bakersfield?
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 22, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would randolph go to bakersfield?
Did they move the D league team?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean
i don’t see him going to the NBADL unless he either a) doesn’t get minutes or b) struggles. i know it’s tough to use summer league as an indicator, but he looks like a player, right now.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on Jul 22, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
randy to bakersfield
I have to agree here however unconventional this might look this could be the best move for the guy to gain strength and not get injured in nba setting. he looks very fragile on the court from what i’ve seen in sl. he falls down a lot on contact both on offense and defense. a year in bakersfield will save warriors 2-3 TO per game this year imo.
by farid on Jul 22, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a year in bakersfield will save warriors 2-3 TO per game this year imo.
As well as protecting Rudolp’s Ass-ets. He really should be in college for a couple more years so we don’t have to bulk him up and train him at warriors expense.!
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Lots of turnovers and I remember someone before was trying to hang me for saying this that everyone does this in Summer League but hey these are serious game situation in Summer League where players are working hard to get a job it’s just not a whatever league where you just play just to play… Randolph has tremendous upside I just think that his turnovers are a big deal at this point since we are going to have a 2ish guard run our point… taking care of the ball will be a big deal this coming season.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn I feel psychic ...
Wow I can’t believe we’re acutally gettting Williams. I had 2 posts on this possibility, can’t believe it actually happend ! Maybe management actually reads, GSOM posts, lol….
I think this is a good move by the franchise especially since we really didn’t give up much of anything for it, as New Jersy was just trying to get rid of him (kinda like Camby). I always envisioned him to be a solid player in the league, just didn’t get enough PT. I think he can put a good body on the opposing bigger PG in the West, like Deron, Kidd and now Baron and he’s a good pass first PG.
by TruWarrior on Jul 22, 2008 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it looks offical...
John Hollinger: (2:15 PM ET ) Quick update: Williams to GST is apparently a deal, in return for a seriously lotto-protected first-rounder. Since GST is under the cap there’s no need to trade a player back to Jersey, and the Nets come away with a small trade exception.
John Hollinger: (2:16 PM ET ) So says the NY Post, anyway.
by Spee-D on Jul 22, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
asdf
Golden State Thunder? LOL
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 22, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Maybe he is making the point the Warriors already have Thunder as their mascot, so OKC should find something else. JP.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
size
marcus williams’ skill might not be that much better than cj watson’s, but he is (listed at) 30 pounds heavier and 1 inch taller, which is pretty important with monta in the backcourt. as we all know, monta is a small dude whose D leaves something to be desired. so i think size played a big role in mully’s decision to do this trade.
i cant say its a good trade tho, because williams is not really a difference maker at all. people above me said he has decent upside. i admit i havent seen enough of his game to defy that, but if thats true, then perhaps this was a good trade.
you cant say its bad either, because the warriors give up a semi-unimportant draft pick. the pick becomes even less important to the dubz when you consider the good amount of youngsters already developing on the team.
by Run Dubz on Jul 22, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a good gamble
In addition to adding some depth to the point guard position, we get a young player who if develops under nellie just adds to the core that we have (Ellis, Beans, Wright, Marco, Randolph etc.)
by wwong01 on Jul 22, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good overall move.
Low risk low-cost. Roughly a little over $6M over the next 3 years if we pick up that option (which we should) and tender that QO that 3rd year.
I preferred Williams over Lowry. And I’d much rather have Marcus instead of dishing out about the MLE every year to little Monta Jr. in Lou Williams.
Good move Mully. You’re still a dumba**.
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 22, 2008 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I prefer this over most of the options mentioned previously - better than Crittenton, better than Livingston, better than Lowry. Delonte West would’ve been nice, but costly - even if we could’ve landed him, it would’ve almost certainly cost us Buike, which Williams might not. And we’ve retained our biggest trade chip in Al, to boot. This is a really nice little move.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great move in my opinion.
This should solidify the back up pg rotation. The only position up for grabs is the back up center… especially if Kosta is gone. We can always use six more fouls per game! Has anyone really confirmed his buy out yet?
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 22, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was all merely speculation and he confirmed himself that he wanted to stay in the NBA
by phiLthyphiL on Jul 22, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool beans then...
I didn’t follow up on that… but I do like Kosta’s skill set, even if his price tag is a little inflated.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 22, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think its a good move. I mean Marcus Williams was a projected lotto pick and put up some good numbers in college. By the way he did play under Jason Kidd who probably taught him a decent amount.
by pat52willis on Jul 22, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Start this guy
not because he’s good, but this allows Monta to stay in his natural position SG.
Williams (15-20 mins a game)
Ellis (35)
Jackson (32)
Harrington (25)
Biedrins (30)
Maggette (6th man ala Ginobili, 32 mins)
from 15 wins to 20.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 22, 2008 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now you think Ellis/Jackson/Maggette/Al/Biedrins is 33 games worse than Baron/Monta/Jackson/Al/Biedrins? I assume you’re expecting the Clippers to go 73-9 this year…
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not 73-9
but theyre at least …at least 10 games better than we are.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 22, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s possible that they’re 10 games better than we are… I wouldn’t rule that out. But as I see it, both teams are in pretty similar spots: a fair amount of talent, some holes, some imbalances, some question marks. Both teams, ironically, could really use an Elton Brand. Either team finishing higher wouldn’t surprise me.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waaaaahhhhh
I want my BD back mommy!!!! Waaaahhhhhh….
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a bunch of whiners!!!!
This is a GREAT pickup. The guy has skills and upside. He cost us NOTHING!!!! This is a freakin steal and yet the posts are a bunch of uninformed whiners!
by smearthebeard on Jul 22, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...with all those free agents in 2010...
Would be nice if we don’t have to worry about paying a 1st rounder money in 2011…
by djfivenine on Jul 22, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Read up on this guy.
He has scary skills passing and thrives in the open court. Sounds like a great fit.
by smearthebeard on Jul 22, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think it was a pretty good pickup
considering if were giving a first rounder in 3-5 years, if everything pans out and all of our “potential” players live up to their expectations, we can be giving up a pick around the 20’s. if we hit the high lottery we still dont need to give it up till the year after that. low risk move with a high reward in my mind. great court vision and something we acually need in a packup point. pass first. no disrespect from CJ but id rather have williams much more. so now we got our big bruiser and our backup point. hope we sign buike now to get that depth we desperately need.
by GSwarrior on Jul 22, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if you look at it...
It’s lotto protected the first year, then top 11 protected the second year, then top 10 protected the third year, and then reverts to two 2nd rounders. So, if we suck we’ll be giving away two second rounders.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kidd's shoes
I like this trade. Seems like people are 50-50 over here. This guy learned from Jason Kidd, one of the best. I would think its tough to come out college and fill his shoes, especially on the East Coast with the media scutiny. And he’s from LA, west coast kid. (ya I know he went to UCONN) High expectations but late first round pick. Plus the injuries he has sustained. There are reasons for under-performing.
Once he is here in our relaxing environment, watch this kid improve. Now he has a fresh start. He is the answer to our backup PG.
Put a little mustard on it
by The Barnes Supremacy on Jul 22, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He played on the same team as Kidd. The assumption that being on the same team as someone and learning from that same someone isn’t a safe assumption.
by jae on Jul 22, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that
Joe Montana -> Steve Young. Bad example?
I’m sure he learned something from Kidd, unless he was sleeping during practice.
Put a little mustard on it
by The Barnes Supremacy on Jul 22, 2008 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flamed out
He never quite made it in New Jersey and was lauded for his play at UConn .. so the Warriors are giving him another chance.
by pree on Jul 22, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pree, is this the move you were hinting about last week? Do you have any sense what this does to the chances of Buike being retained?
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small move ..
This was one of the many options the team was looking into ..
Remember .. small moves .. pick up assets ..
by pree on Jul 22, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Pree, do you think its a good trade?
If I am right and we resign buike, I really like it, otherwise I still think it is a good risk/reward, your thoughts?
by warriorbum on Jul 22, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's alright
My sources said that there were other better things in the oven, but I’m going to wait to see what the Warriors are thinking before I deem this a good or bad trade.
On the surface, you get a backup PG for almost nothing and you still have a chip to play in another move. I just don’t think the other move will happen (Al) very soon. Nellie might not like him, but Mullin does.
by pree on Jul 22, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pree...how could he make it in NJ
other thana 10 minute back up. 1st Jason Kidd, then Devon Harris. I wouldn;t call that flaming out as much as it is never getting an honest chance.
by smearthebeard on Jul 22, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He never
Gave them reason to play him more than that. When he was drafted as Kidd’s replacement, they envisioned him playing alongside Kidd as well because he was such a good shooter and Kidd, well, isn’t. That didn’t happen.
He had his chances, but it never really worked out. There were times the team played Darrell Armstrong over him. Ouch. He’s had some injuries at times as well, but he never quite got off on the right foot. Maybe a change in scenary will help.
by pree on Jul 22, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to my math we have at appx. 3.8
Million left.. Hmmmm $3M for Azi? This team is actually starting to look better than last year overall. At least alot deeper.
by smearthebeard on Jul 22, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of $$$$$ . . .
. . . is Croshere still on the team? Assuming Beans, Monta and Buike get signed what does this do to him?
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We actaully have no limit we have to stay at for Buike
He is our own player and a RFA so the salary cap does not apply. It’s just a matter of if they think he will take up to much of the money they think they need to reserve for Biedrens and Ellis.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he signed an offer already
with the Clips. Now it’s either match or he’s gone by the end of this week.
by misterjennings on Jul 22, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I know that
I’m just saying how much room we have left under the cap, does not matter in the Buike situation. If we have the 3.8 million left, like he quoted or just a million left. Either way we still have the option of matching the offer.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if he would have
scored 20 you would have felt better. He is a true POINT GUARD! We have enough scoring. I want a guy who can dribble and pass the ball, not score.
by smearthebeard on Jul 22, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so im guessing
we’re not getting conley,crittenton, or lowery anymore
by gswLLBatman on Jul 22, 2008 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no, no and no . . .
but, they may still be looking to trade AL . . . for whom?
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so too, but u got any names?
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can throw speculation out there
But I need to know more first about what the realities are. Agents have told me the Warriors have called, but I believe in hearing from sources in the team before I throw stuff out there
by pree on Jul 22, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pree
Let me know when you can speculate on some options. Thanks for staying on top of this for us.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 22, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3/4 combo
only 1 option ready to trade comes to mind – ron artest
by farid on Jul 22, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest?
Go choice, but is there cap space?
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al is at 9 million
Artest is at 7.4 million so cap space isnt an issue. Getting the Kings to want to deal him to us, is.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll repeat I'm a Kings fan
I’m personally in favor of a Wally’s World future 1st for Kenny Thomas Artest deal myself. (But I speak for noone on StR by any stretch.) That being said the Warriors don’t have many trade chips unless they want to take Thomas back and add something else like Brandan Wright to the deal. And have an expiring contract that’s big like Wally’s (He’s making 13.2 million this year). I don’t care if the Kings deal with the Dubs, but they don’t got the asset’s to get that type of deal. And low balling Geoff Petrie ain’t happening either. (See—trade to Denver that didn’t work last trade deadline.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thing that may help the Warriors
Artest is really starting to complain. So if the Kings choose to move him because of just this. They may have to take any deal and get no where near the value in return.
I could see this happening and being like Al, Harrington, Kosta or Marco and a 1st rounder for Artest and possibly another throw in.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me
Artest complaining isn’t anything new. He pretty much does whatever he wants anyway. If you don’t pay attention to the guy’s in & out behavior he strikes you as strange. I just find it irritating cuz it swamps the KIngs with news the Kings don’t really need since they really have a rebuilding team on their hands at the moment.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep just could be at some point
where they just give up with the antics, especially if there afraid it will start to affect the young kids coming in to much.
Charlotte tried to put up with Baron for awhile and then ended up just swapping him for an old Dale Davis and Speedy Claxton.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True this is true
But the Hornets also got a ton of cap relief in that deal. Plus getting Chris Paul helps the Hornets faithful forget the total parameters of that deal. That being said I agree with your point. But I don’t think Petrie will d that nonetheless.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree—Al for Artest would be a dream trade for us, but the Kings are smart enough to realize that. We can’t get Artest without dipping into our young core. And that might not be worth it, and still might not get it done, anyway.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking on Kenny Thomas is where it's really at
The KIngs want to get away from his god awful contract. And that’s where most of the stumbling blocks are in every Artest deal. Any team that’s willing to sweeten the pot (a lottery protected 1st say) with taking on Artest/Thomas most likely will win the Artest sweepstakes. (If you want to call them that. I don’t. I consider it the Artest relief.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right… that makes the Warriors landing Artest even more unlikely. From all accounts, it doesn’t seem like Mullin’s giving any thought to taking on bad contracts.
by onlxn on Jul 22, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even sure where Artest fits with
Harrington, Jackson, Wright, Belinelli, Ellis, Maggette among others. These are all guys who play where Artest plays, or need the ball to be effective. I think the Warriors are truthfully a bad fit to be honest basketball wise. (Another reason why I singled the Cavs out. They need a guy who can score consistently on the block other than having the ball in Le Bron’s hands.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He takes Harrington's place
If there is a trade for Artest, Al will be moved. That’s the best ways to get the salaries to match up.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah I don't think you quite get it (don't blame you for this either--Kings fans get it, or more accurately the one's at Sactown Royalty do)
Artest thinks he’s Kobe Bryant. He thinks he’s that type of scorer. IF Don Nelson doesn’t appease him he won’t be happy and make waves. Do you think Nelson wants to spend all his time getting Artest the ball at the behest of Maggette, Ellis among others?
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by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly at times
Nellie thinks he can deal with anyone. Think it’s part of his ego. (as much as he may be wrong)
Nelson is gone at the end of the year. He is the type that may say let’s try it. If it doesnt workout part way through the season.
He says hello to Hawaii and tells Keith Smart to have fun with the problem.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see the Dubs having the asset's at the end of the day
I realize Artest is the sexy move, and the Dubs are trying to rebound from Baron Davis in some sense, but when you don’t offer Boom Dizzle the big extension this day had to be expected to an extent. I don’t think Petrie would rule out the Dubs as a trade partner, but I don’t think he likes any asset that the Dubs would be willing to give up. (I’m not too keen on any of them either to be honest. Not your fault, or mine. Opinions, and the like.)
That being said I don’t doubt you when you’re talking about Nellie’s ego, and what he would be considering doing.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep totally agree
Anyone it would take to make the deal go through, the Warriors just wouldnt be willing to deal at this point.
But is enjoyable talking to someone that understands what is realistic and can carry on a good conversation on an opposing team’s website.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Kings fan
Who are the Warriors willing to trade to the Kings for Artest?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would give Harrington & Wright
but that’s just me (I think it’s fair offer).
by buky on Jul 22, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't work under the salary cap (Harrington for Artest straight up does but why do that if you're the kIngs?)
And the Kings aren’t looking to take long salaries back either.
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by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington as an opt out after this year
He is upset being with the Warriors. So it’s possible they can get him to agree to use the opt out to get the deal made. That way he is an expiring contract.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now come up with that extra young asset
Take on Kenny Thomas and I’m sure Geoff Petrie will agree to this deal. I don’t really care Golden One, but I don’t think Petrie will deal Artest to the Warriors for alot of reasons.
- Basketball fit doesn’t work for the Dubs right now
- The Warriors don’t have the right assets
- Trading him 80 miles down the road isn’t appealing when you live in Napa yourself
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by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I don't think it will happen.
Just giving my reason if it did. Why and how it would end up happening.
Doubt it ever will.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I never believed you thought so
The whole reason I came over was to jump in the Marcus Williams discussion, and what you all thought about it. I’m kinda confused why the Dubs did it myself, and I’m wondering how this impact’s other moves (like Azubuike for instance)? Enlighten me please. I still don’t get it from the Dubs perspective.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever since Baron left.
The Warriors have publicly stated they wanted to carry 3 point guards this season.
There plan right now is Monta to start. They like CJ as a backup, but they dont know if he is a reliable option to be the starter in case the Monta expierment fails. So they brought Marcus in to be there option B at point.
In my eyes this helps the chances of Buike staying here. Warriors were waiting to see what happned this week before matching. They were trying to get Louis Williams. He would have cost alot more. Then they would not have enough money to match for Buike.
But since they got Marcus at a much cheaper rate than Louis. They will most likely match Buike if one other deal doesnt work out this week.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense Thanks for the info
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by pookeyguru on Jul 22, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lan right now is Monta to start. They like CJ as a backup, but they dont know if he is a reliable option to be the starter in case the Monta expierment fails. So they brought Marcus in to be there option B at point.
So why carry Watson any longer? If he’s not as good as the backup to a 2 guard playin point guard? Isn’t that the bottom of the guard barrel?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If Monta fails at point, he is moved back to shooting guard.
Marcus will start and you still want a good backup, which will be CJ’s roll then.
Plus depth is a thing this team as lacked. The more depth the better.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Monta fails at point, he is moved back to shooting guard.Marcus will start and you still want a good backup, which will be CJ’s roll then.
So that circular path makes it sound like CJ is a better point guard than Montay? or is he only a better point guard if Montay is worse than Williams? :>)
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's more of
The Warriors hope Monta is the best option at point if he fails, he still is a great scorer and will the starting shooting guard. So you will need a quality backup in CJ for Marcus.
So it’s CJ is a backup in their eyes at this point and they want a plan B if Monta fails at point. Not that CJ is better just that Monta is still a starter regardless will just be at SG then.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would love to be a
fly on the wall if Nelson has to tell either Jax or Maggs that their coming off the bench for a non-playoff team
by hardcore on Jul 23, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there’s one thing that Nellie seems to be good at, it’s getting production from guys who aren’t in at the tipoff.
Whether or not Nellie “starts” a player seems to have not a whole lot of bearing on how much he uses him. I expect that there will be lineups with Maggs essentially playing PF, much like there were lineups with Pietrus or Barnes in that role last year.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This should be our starting/Bench1/Bench2 players
Williams/Monta/CJ
Monta/Buike/Belinelli
Jax/Mags/Buike/Randolph
Mags/Al/Wright/Randolph
Beans/RonyBaby/Kosta
Not sure if Croshere or Hendrix make squad.
This team better be quick and smart cause it ain’t got no power at all. Nellie-ball all the way!!!!
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
problem is even
smallish PF’s like Landry and Millsap will keep making career highs. I don’t want to even imagine what all-star caliber bigs will do to us.
by misterjennings on Jul 22, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would williams start over monta
by 3Kings650 on Jul 22, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams & Monta are
starting together. First / are starters.
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my lineup
Monta / M. Williams/ CJ
Jax/ Bellinelli
Mags/ Randolph
Al/ B. Wright/ Hendrix
Beans/ Ronnie
by thebaydestrian on Jul 22, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right if . . .
If Al is still here at least for the first 2 weeks unless Monta has a great start at PG then there will be no change. But, count on my line-up for the rest of the year as it appears Monta has been working more on tats that assists this summer.
by cfrazie88 on Jul 22, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
He’s pretty good. here’s some clips from you tube.
He looks alike jason kidd with more moves and a better shot and no complaints and he’s cheaper.
Copy n paste the link.
good passer just needs minutes. PUtting him as PG keeps monta as a shooting guard and watson as back up.
by goldenstatewarriors on Jul 22, 2008 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why its a good pick up...
I watched him in UCONN and think this is a good move for both him and the Dubs. Marcus will slim down (playing Nellie ball) and this will help him be a more effective defender and also limit his turnovers. He is a pass first PG and I prefer that to a Monta clone like Louis Willams or even Dooling when getting a backup PG.
He is better than CJ (good scorer, so-so passer, too short) for our system and as a balance to Monta.
Marcus Williams has the talent to be a starter down the road – I hope playing with the Dubs, being the only true PG on the roster (if CJ goes), and getting love from the best fans in the league will be the motivation he needs to meet his potential.
Warrior fan for life - where we are "always just a big man away" from total domination
by buttafingas on Jul 22, 2008 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
i have a feeling that we r gonna get rolled over by the quality teams from the west. We NEED a more meaty line up(literally)
brb, going to ORACLE
by warrior510 on Jul 22, 2008 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MArcus Williams
is an excellent pick up by the DUbs. MOnta is SG and is not good at playing PG , c’mon u guys know that….. CJ is gonna back up MarcWill
brb, going to ORACLE
by warrior510 on Jul 22, 2008 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this will only happen
After they try out Monta at point and it is not working out. That’s the reason they brought Marcus in, just in case Monta at points fails. But they will give it a try.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to give monta a break at point
its obvious Monta wont be as good as “HollyBoom” was for us last year…we only had CJ there to back him up too….now we have monta as the PG with two solid back ups that will be able to take alot of pressure off monta
by 3Kings650 on Jul 22, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this move and it makes sense
whether he backs up Monta or starts games, he’ll be an upgrade over CJ. He comes from a big time program and his averages look good when you consider he only played 16 min. per game. Stretch those minutes over 25-30 minutes a game in Nellieball and he’ll produce for us.
by GoldenStateDubtronic on Jul 22, 2008 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LEts keep Al for now!!
With Baron gone, Al will have a bigger role on the team.. that means more shots and padded stats. Let’s keep Al for a while and see how the team does while his stats improve and when the deadline comes, lets deal him.
by scwarrior24 on Jul 22, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
umm
I’m a bit worried that being that with him being in the silicon valley and all, marcus might have the urge to steal a bunch of laptops. someone had to bring it up.
I’m neutral on this deal until I see how Marcus does under nelly.
by ufwa on Jul 22, 2008 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mullin Speaks
“We are happy to add a player like Marcus to our roster,” said Warriors Executive Vice President o Basketball Operations Chris Mullin. “We felt that we needed to acquire another point guard and a player who is capable of running our offense and expanding our depth. We feel that Marcus can contribute to our cause next season.”
by pree on Jul 22, 2008 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Pree
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 22, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a good signing..
We filled our greatest current need, backup point guard, with a player who was a good passer in college. Now we need to see how it translates into the NBA game. Williams should be getting plenty of PT, though, because him and (maybe) CJ are the only real point guards on our roster. Marcus just needs to improve the work ethic because he obviously knows how to pass.
by The Daydreamer on Jul 22, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UConn breds solid NBA players...
So I’m more comfortable with this deal rather than picking up unproven talent like Bobby Brown. And LW woulda been kind of a gamble too since he is a flashy baller whos inconsistent.
And I’m not mad at the first rd draft pick since it can’t be a lottery pick. I think Marcus can prove he’s worth at least that. Good job, Mully.
Soooooooooo….unless they still wanna move TMNT, it looks like our roster for next season is pretty much set:
Monta
Maggs
Jacks
TMNT
Beans
B-Wright
Turiaf
Randolph
Williams
Bellinelli
Watson
Hendrix
We Believe!!!
by crossphaded on Jul 22, 2008 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That still leaves 3 open spots
Since rosters are 15 players and 12 dressed each game. I can see very quickly if TMNT doesnt get traded Nellie may not start him either. Moving B.Wright in to your bold list.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PREE
would you please try to get to talk to Captain Jack and find out what his thoughts are about all the moves the warriors had made this off season (reaction on the baron brouhaha, etc.) it would be nice to know his state of mind right about now.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Jul 22, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
his state of mind
is golden, of course :)
by AJC3317 on Jul 22, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I gotta say is...
Baron who?
Put a little mustard on it
by The Barnes Supremacy on Jul 22, 2008 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what happened ...
to trying to snag LOUIS WILLIAMS!!!
by D3F1N1T3 on Jul 22, 2008 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They wanted Deron Williams...
They would have settled for Louis Williams…
They got Marcus Williams.
Kind of a “meh” move. “Meh” moves are great if you’re the Celtics or Spurs, but vagely irritating when you’re a .500-ish team. It’s like Mullin thinks if he keeps tinkering he’s going to spin straw into gold. Dude just doesn’t seem to have the “vision thing.”
On the bright side, we snagged a more athletic version of Kevin Durant at #14, so it kind of evens out.
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 22, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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