Warriors sign Maurice Evans
Warriors sign Maurice Evans to a 3 year deal worth 6.4 mil today so, sources say that Warriors not going to resign buike. Maurice played with the lakers and magic before signing with us. What do you think of this signing? Maurice Evans has been a player that hasn't gotten much playing time, but i think hes a pretty good player.
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If this is true
I don’t think I like it. Why would this just hit the news when the article is dated Tuesday morning at 9 AM? I can’t find it anywhere else.
Plus he’s 30, why would we give him 3 years?
by Eggman on Jul 22, 2008 10:10 PM PDT 0 recs
HE GETS THE LAST LAUGH PEASANTS
you guys said he wont get a contract after he turned down the dubs. he just signed with the hawks.
by ADOBO on
Jul 25, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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I dont see this...
sure he can shoot the rock from downtown, but so can all the other players. This guy did even have an impressive 3pt% (39). I’d rather have Bukie IMO since he is a guard that crashes the boards. Mo is just a spot up shooter who has no intangibles or anything. If the Warriors were lookin for a spot up shooter, then they could of gotten a hella cheap one in Morrow.
by Spee-D on Jul 22, 2008 10:23 PM PDT 0 recs
wow...even with baron, barnes, pietrus, and buikie gone,
u can still say we have more depth this season…amazing. lol
Ellis/Williams/Watson
Jackson/Evans/Bellinelli
Maggette/Randolph/
Harrington/Wright/Hendrix
Biedrins/Turiaf/Perovic
Thats 14…
This means Hendrix stays in D-League or Perovic is definitely going back to Serbia?
by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Jul 22, 2008 10:28 PM PDT 0 recs
wow...even with baron, barnes, pietrus, and buikie gone,u can still say we have more depth this season
Yeah but it only counts if it’s good depth! Those missing four took half of our playoff experience.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on
Jul 22, 2008 10:49 PM PDT
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for some reason
i don’t trust this article. i’ll wait for one that doesn’t throw it in as an aside.
by Foulacy on Jul 22, 2008 10:30 PM PDT 0 recs
I agree
I’d rather not believe it, so that raises my skepticism another notch.
by Eggman on
Jul 22, 2008 10:34 PM PDT
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Pree, where are you?
Have you heard this, it seems weird the only place this has popped up so far is a small clip at the end of a LA article.
So is this true or not?
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM PDT 0 recs
I think that Mullin...
is trying to do what the Celtics did. I don’t mean build a contender, but at least building a good team with just about brand new players
by Golden Boy on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Mo Evans
I watched this guy play alot in LA and, believe me, this is a solid signing. You’ll be amazed with his underrated athleticism. The dude has major hops for a yoked guy and he’s a quick leaper like as if he were on a pogo stick. Not only that, he’s been a solid shooter and finisher for his career. The rest of his game is below average to average, but he’ll be a perfect veteran backup for us at $2mil/yr.
We should just re-sign Azubuike anyway, then we could have three of the buffest swingmen in the league: Maggette, Evans, and Azubuike.
On a serious note, we really should just re-sign Azubuike anyway just in case Belinelli and Randolph don’t pan out well in the future. It’s of little cost to us, won’t get in the way of re-signing Ellis or Biedrins, it’s a good value signing and he’d be a good trading piece, and we’d have crazy depth in case of injury.
Ellis / Williams / Watson
Jackson / Evans / Belinelli
Maggette / Azubuike / Randolph
Harrington / Wright / Hendrix
Biedrins / Turiaf / Perovic
That’s a beautiful, deep, full squad right there. I’ll bet anybody that Randolph is going to end up in the D-League regardless (due to his 200 pound stick figure), Perovic is never going to be suited up, and Watson/Hendrix will have their stints in the D-League as well. Shoot, even our second string team could hang with alot of teams in the NBA.
by YaHeard on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 PM PDT 0 recs
They have the money if they really wanted to
But they wouldnt pay that much for that far down the bench. Just would be nice if a better source would confirm this.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:03 PM PDT
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we have plenty of money
for Buike now, and he’d be our dependable backup SF. It’s a big mistake to assume that Watson, Belinelli, Randolph, and Hendrix are for sure NBA-calibur players; they haven’t proved anything yet.
Where did you hear we don’t have the money for Buike? We own the rights to match his offer sheet regardless of where we’re at with regards to the salary cap. After re-signing Buke, we’d be about $16mil this year under the luxury tax level, which is plenty of money to re-sign both Ellis and Biedrins. (assuming the contracts are backloaded) (plus Mullin could use that figure as leverage to not overpay them)
by YaHeard on
Jul 22, 2008 11:42 PM PDT
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Just hope Mully
Doesnt get carried away with I dont have to over pay you. Thats when they will get mad just accept the qualifying one year offer and be unrestricted free agents next year.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:48 PM PDT
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do agree
Randolph looks like likely to start in Bakersfield. Hendrix too. Among the teams our 2nd string team could hang with is OUR first string.
by sam23 on
Jul 22, 2008 11:01 PM PDT
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AR to D-League would be a mistake
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that sending AR to the D-League is a miserable idea. AR’s 200lb stick figure is much stronger than any of us thought. AR is sinewy but stronger than BW’s stick figure. No, if we are indeed in rebuild AR should get 10-15min a game this season. Nelly loves his skills and comfort with the ball. BW is better suited for the D-League as his Elven frame fills out (nobody hold their breath while waiting for this). For the record, I think both players should be getting 10-15min a game this season.
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 6:41 AM PDT
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It should be the other way around...
You don’t put players in the D-League just to dump ‘em somewhere… You put ‘em there for them to improve and if they do send anyone to the D-League it should be Randolph who needs to improve much more than how he is now… He’s very turnover prone as we all have seen in Summer League and it’s only bound to get worse with players that are in the NBA. D-League would be the right move for him because instead of getting 10-15 he could get starting position and go for 25-35 mins per game.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on
Jul 23, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
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i truly hope this is BS…evans is 30…and for just 1million more a year for buike back…wtf…wtf
by war i are. on Jul 22, 2008 11:03 PM PDT 0 recs
I guess
this gives them flexibility to add a vet at midseason should they have a major injury or two. Buike woulda left them with almost no room. thats about the only explanation I can come up with.
by sam23 on
Jul 22, 2008 11:06 PM PDT
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Any vet added mid season
Would be through trade or so. So having Buike wouldnt really matter about his money in that situation.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:21 PM PDT
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not true
there could be vets available to sign midseason. or a D-Leaguer.
by sam23 on
Jul 22, 2008 11:29 PM PDT
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They would most likely be the minimum
If available and there exceptions and stuff they can use then.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
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I like the one where he steals Cabbages pass right in front of him and then finishes the And1 with Cabbages wrapped around him. Good Signing!
by KeepRunnin on
Jul 23, 2008 8:23 AM PDT
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if this BS is true…then Mullin has OFFICIALLY lost it. He could have gotten Anthony Morrow for WAY cheaper as a shooter…and he’s younger too!
by thebaydestrian on Jul 22, 2008 11:05 PM PDT 0 recs
Yea but there is a good chance
It’s in his contract he can get out of it if he gets an NBA offer.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:15 PM PDT
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Would explain him playing in the summer league
Else why risk getting injured if he couldn’t sign on with an NBA team.
by mosdl on
Jul 22, 2008 11:19 PM PDT
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Look.
Evans is a proven NBA caliber veteran that gives you average production and good hustle it looks like in a reserve role.
Morrow has yet to even play one NBA game. SL is nothing like an actual NBA game. You can’t project Morrow’s kind of production to an NBA calibar squad from a handful of SL games, but you can project what Evans gives you.
Sure, Morrow could be a diamond in the rough. But it’s more likely that he won’t. Otherwise, why wouldn’t someone have drafted or signed him to a contract by now?
Mullin makes the right decision here by taking Evans over an unknown.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Jul 23, 2008 12:49 AM PDT
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+1
Thanks kenntoe
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on
Jul 23, 2008 12:51 AM PDT
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Add that Evans apparently has a rep as a good defensive player. It seems that so much of defense is learned through experience in the league. Evans should be a plus there when he comes in.
Morrow, if signed, will command the NBA min. I don’t think Evans precludes Morrow.
For what it’s worth, neither of the last two years of summer league action have seen a walk on make the team.
by jae on
Jul 23, 2008 12:54 AM PDT
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Anthony Morrow
is unproven. He’s done well in Summer League, wow so what. So did Belinelli last year. So does Nate Robinson every year.
He wasn’t even a lights out shooter in college until his final year, and he does very little else on the court too.
by YaHeard on
Jul 22, 2008 11:47 PM PDT
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Saying Belinelli did well in the summer league last year is even a bit of a stretch. He was electric in the first game and shot light’s out. He came back to earth, scoring points by taking a gazillion shots, but for the most part, not shooting all that well. He couldn’t rebound to save his life. He didn’t rebound well for a guard. He didn’t rebound well for a quadruple amputee. But the first game was huge shooting and seemed to come out of nowhere and it left the impression that he “did well” in the summer league.
by jae on
Jul 23, 2008 12:52 AM PDT
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A-Mo was consistently our top or 2nd leading scorer 3 out of the 4 years he was in college. Trust me, I went to school with the guy. That’s why I made an earlier comparision to Kyle Korver. And I agree that Mo Evans can play D and is proven, but there is no doubt A-Mo can make the NBA shot, and personally, I think it would be better paying the NBA minimum to get a rookie sharpshooter than pay much more for a veteran that is essentially a shooter asa well.
by thebaydestrian on
Jul 23, 2008 11:04 AM PDT
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Trust Mullin
He has something up his sleeve. Despite our losses, look what he’s brought us. Maggette, Turiaf, and Williams. Maybe Evans. More to come??? We will be competitive
by Golden Boy on Jul 22, 2008 11:05 PM PDT 0 recs
what?
Maggette, Turiaf, Williams, and Evans? For Baron, Pietrus, Buike, and Barnes? I wouldnt make that trade. we will be competitive? I’m not so sure. At least we will have Monta and Biedrins back.
by sam23 on
Jul 22, 2008 11:07 PM PDT
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monta and beans arent even official yet…makes me even more nervous
by war i are. on
Jul 22, 2008 11:09 PM PDT
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yea but
we have the cap space and almost nobody else does.
by sam23 on
Jul 22, 2008 11:11 PM PDT
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We still have around 20+ Million before the luxury tax.
Which will theoretically be used to sign Mondris!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Jul 23, 2008 12:51 AM PDT
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Shhhhh
The two-headed Mondris might become a distant memory in the land of the Golden State. I surmise that at least one of the beast’s heads is on the block. Not convinced Mully is sold on AB as Center after Nelly leaves…”What!?”...yeah I said that ish.
Mulson against Mondris in a clash of the titans.
I would be intrigued and piqued if the team made a BOLD play and replaced AB, the power forward masquerading as a center, with some unforeseen, all star caliber, youngish talent.
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 6:57 AM PDT
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There still are "active" trades on the board...
All I can say…
by streetballer on
Jul 23, 2008 7:12 AM PDT
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Ooo
See, bigs viewed as Centers are an overvalued commodity across the league. Typically, the right trade can bring in star-power for a young C-type player.
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 7:29 AM PDT
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I could see that happening...
which is the exact reason why we have added all these strong role players onto the team… they act as trading chips come the trading deadline…
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on
Jul 23, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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Ummm... name these trades you're talking about
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Jul 23, 2008 11:34 AM PDT
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Don't know...
but what I’m trying to say is that we have enough good pieces to move around… I don’t know if we’ll make something crazy go down..
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on
Jul 23, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
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My point is that quality big men rarely move around
Marcus Camby doesn’t count. Elton Brand does. This offseason has been crazy. Shaq forced out, but would never come to Oakland because he wouldn’t be able to keep up a high enough profile. And when they do, they’re usually towards the end or past their prime and can’t give that much more.
KG was traded for ANOTHER quality big man (Al Jefferson), so that doesn’t count because the net big man move was nil.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Jul 23, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
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sniff,sniff
I don’t know mang. I smell something involving AB and Josh Smith…
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
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what about sheed?
I think Sheed coming over is more likely than smith coming over.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on
Jul 23, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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Hmmm
I’d embrace it but feel then AB might have more percieved value around the league than a Sheed swap. Perhaps we can break the seal on those Al and a pick for Sheed talks again?
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 12:47 PM PDT
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monta
he’s the one that goes. imo he has more trade value right now than beans.
by Rach on
Jul 23, 2008 8:00 AM PDT
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the worst that could happen with Monta and Biedrens
is they only take the qualifying offer and are unrestricted free agents next year. They are at least here this year. So you can be nervous of possibly losing them next year if they dont sign soon. But there is nothing to worry about this year with them.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
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you know how screwed...
the warriors would be if that happened? It’d be basically saying good bye to Monta and Beans after this year. So you’re happy as long as this year they’re around? They’re the only bright spots on this roster, and without them we’re back in another 13 year drought.
by kinetic on
Jul 23, 2008 12:10 AM PDT
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Maybe not 13
but it definately would not be pretty.
by The Golden One on
Jul 23, 2008 12:12 AM PDT
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Yea but it wasnt a trade
It’s doing the best of getting out of a situation they didnt expect to be in now (Baron opting out)
If you want to compare this years team to last years team. Also remember players like Monta and Biedrens, should be better this year than they were last year. Because they are so young and keep growing as NBA players.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:19 PM PDT
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I know it wasnt a trade obviously
but if you look at the sum of our offseason it aint so rosy.
by sam23 on
Jul 22, 2008 11:27 PM PDT
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Yea I know what your saying
Just so many people have called it a trade and just you really shouldnt look at it like that. Since it wasnt there choice. Plus I just wanna try and make other warriors fans feel better about the situation. Pump some positive up around here.
That’s what we were known for for 13 years. ( Unrealistic expectations) So just gotta deal with the hand we were dealt.
by The Golden One on
Jul 22, 2008 11:33 PM PDT
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Peep this thought
I’m gonna say that AB hit his plateau betwixt the 06-07 season and 07-08. Matter of fact, whether by fault of team deficiencies or just over-achieving, I think his defense regressed last year. Barf…can’t believe I’m gonna refer to the ever-misleading stats but, check the numbers.
PS: I hear Woodson wants his squad to get bigger
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 7:09 AM PDT
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Umm...
The kid was born in 1986. He’s 22 years old. He has not peaked. Just stop.
His FT percentage is going up yearly, his defense will improve (it takes a long time for players to learn that ish)
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Jul 23, 2008 7:28 AM PDT
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you dont hit your plateau in the NBA when you're 22
most players are in their prime from like 27-32
by 3Kings650 on
Jul 23, 2008 8:52 AM PDT
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Well
If your upside is limited you can! Where do you guys expect the groundbreaking improvements to come from? Problem is that he has a Center’s skillset in a PF’s body. He’s a wrist shooter. I am very happy his FT% improved so much. But, let’s be honest, at 40-50%, we had to expect THAT to get better.
I know I’m on record for drawing attention to the flaws in BW and AB (for abt an year and a half now) but, I’m consistent for a reason. I see glaring limitations concerning their development as NBA bigs. I don’t care what age they are, I smell role players. In Andris’ case, his value is pretty high and (to me) overvalued. This could be the perfect opportunity to take a flyer out on what kind of talent we can get in return.
I’m here everyday reading these diaries and posts just like you fellas. And me love GSW basketball long time. I just don’t agree on who constitutes the nucleus of this team. Hey JAE, just saw the comment below in which I’d respond that:
I, probably much like you, prefer to eschew stats in favor of watching players on the court and applying my knowledge and experience playing and watching the game, to evaluate talent. And much like objective analysis of qualitative data, empirical evidence has flaws and often doesn’t tell the whole story when effected by external variables (sorry for the whole research methodologies jargon).
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
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in addendum
I think AB does have great value when it comes to the makeup of this team. I get that. But he’s never going to be a top tier center IMO. I’d rather stash a serviceable, do all the little things center like KPerkins at the 5 (especially in the Warriors system…which ain’t gonna change much with Ellis on the squad and even with KSmart at the helm) and score a star player (like a younger, healthier BD) at one of the skill positions.
Our swing men and skill players are the element that make this system live or die. Last season: Lack of depth at the 1,2 and 3= tired legs, incapable of running our style of ball/ players petered out as the season wore on. That’s why we are stocking up on guys like Mo Evans this year. Tired legs effect all facets of play including (gasp) rebounding. When we’re right, our rebounds should come from our 1,2 and 3’s crashing the bucket in space (yeah, JRich style). Whatever, sometimes I lose track and start writing a diary.
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
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I agree with you that AB
surely does seem limited but at the same time his stats are solid… I believe that it is only that our style of game play makes it seem that he is not of that much importance due to the fact that he is probably our last option when scoring and we only utilize his strengths as a rebounder more than anything. We play a fast paced game and if it were more slowed down I’m sure other teams would find him very valuable. Biedrins is very skilled underneath and he finds a way to put it in the hole… very efficient scorer that you will always get very good minutes out of.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on
Jul 23, 2008 11:06 AM PDT
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Almost all players are “limited” in some sense, so the question then goes to what are within his limits and are those skills useful enough that he can contribute to winning basketball. All but the most Stern-fed-hype mad individuals should recognize that the answer to that is a resounding “yes.” Not only can he contribute to a winning team, but he has and he’s shown that the team he plays for is better with him than without.
Biedrins is a very good rebounder. If you want to believe that those rebounds “just happen” or that his stats are somehow false because of “the system” you are entirely free to do so and be wrong and misled. He’s been a very good rebounder since he got to the league, before this “system” came to be when he had other good rebounders playing.
Biedrins shoots for a very, very, very high percentage from the floor. Yes, they’re short shots, dunks, layups and putbacks. They count for 2 points. He doesn’t miss shots and missing shots is a great way to hand the ball back to the other team without scoring. Sure he might not be a “go to guy” but his offense is entirely gravy in that his points do not come at the expense of someone else who would be more efficient at scoring. Knocking the “dunks and layups” makes it sound like these things are easy. It it was easy, more guys would do it. It isn’t easy. Remember Foyle fumbling passes to him? Remember him letting rebounds (that Biedrins converts to a dunk or layup) bounce off of him and go out of bounds? Remember watching the “athletic” Harrington somehow struggle to hit layups? I certainly do. All of those instances cost the team. Biedrins doesn’t make those mistakes often.
But of course, we’re fueled with hype that points per game scoring is what makes a guy valuable and that a big man has to “bang” to be effective. The results strongly suggest that Biedrins is quite good and valuable to the team.
by jae on
Jul 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
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Yeah...AB DOES have great hands
His point production will always be contingent on a having a fine distributor that breaks down the defense and creates space to get AB those looks. Dunks and layups in AB’s world come because he is effective slashing and rolling to the basket. His post game is middling at best (he has quick feet but nary the size to muscle up to the rim and never a jump or set shot that a player with his lack of girth must rely on). But PPG is not even my #1 requirement for a Center (be it in our system or any other…because we know how different the chemistry for success is between a traditional team and a Nelly team). Nay, I prefer one of two things defensively. A player who is an imposing shot blocker or a beast who throws weight on opponents crashing the boards. Problem is, AB is pushed around in both scenarios and is hardly an imposition in the key as a defender.
I must say, I appreciate AB’s hands and to me, that is his most valuable asset. Foyle (ice tongs) and Dampier (baby hands) were tough to watch. I’d argue, however, that there are many players in the league capable of grabbing rebounds who also might provide the size and body to allow our larger, athletic guards and SF’s to put up rebound numbers.
by Hoof on
Jul 23, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
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i m tired
of people who think that Andris will be skinny until his 50 anniversary -do you think Big Z or Sabonis never were skinny guys (i named them because they come 200miles southern then Riga -Andris hometown)
-i was pretty skinny untill my 24 -that’s about genes -so latvians are build
sometimes when i read this “dominant big man thing” i remember Bob Marley’s lyric
some people think
that God will came from the sky
make everything allright
and make everybody feel hi…
why you don’t want to trade Al for some banger PF?
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on
Jul 23, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
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Andris will be skinny
as long as he keeps getting to pound, I mean, exercise with that smoking gf of his.
by misterjennings on
Jul 23, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
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LOL
out of my experience i can say that this exercising just makes you stronger
-after some time you even start to bulk up -and became confident and bold and even starting to push other people around
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on
Jul 23, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
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Blocking shots seems impressive, but it has a low correlation with win totals. Teams that block a bunch of shots don’t necessarily have better defense as a whole. Biedrins doesn’t have weight to toss around, but he seems to get rebounds anyhow.
I am curious how you come to your argument that there are many players capable of grabbing rebounds (presumably as well as Biedrins). Rebound rates seem to be ridiculously stable from year to year for a player even when that player changes teams and “systems.” The notion that rebounds can just happen if you put someone in the right situation seems to be a rather common one, though there’s next to no evidence that this is the case.
by jae on
Jul 23, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
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and he’s shown that the team he plays for is better with him than without.?
That’s hard to say if he won’t go away! How can we know if we’d be better off or worse without actually trying someone else? His time on the bench with a backup doesn’t tell us anything cause if we dint have Dris we wouldn’t be playing his backup we’d be playin his replacement?
I don’t think he’s a top drawer center cause he’s too weak to bang in the paint , reluctant to flatten guys driving to the rim, and too poor a shooter to draw any defense away from other players. I see a lot of his rebounds as gifts simply because he has no competition in the paint from our midgets. He’s about average , not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on
Jul 23, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
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hard to say?
bring back Foyle
hi Zorgon :)
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on
Jul 23, 2008 2:03 PM PDT
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Well, granted the playing time prior to a couple of years ago was limited but the Warriors have* been positive plus/minus with Biedrins ever season he’s been around, significantly moreso than when he’s been on the bench. This predates the “no backup center” lineup this year (and effectively the year before when Foyle never played) and goes back to the Montgomery era. Of course there’s no way of determining what a backup would have done short of some oracle to other dimensions, but at a certain point when the team is always better with him year after year, and are not just better, but a team that outscores their opponents with him but seldom does without him that he’s a rather positive contributor.
The subjective measure that he’s not able to “bang in the paint” seems to put value on it as if that somehow correlates with winning games. I’ve seen no evidence that it’s all that important. I have seen MUCH evidence that making shots and grabbing rebounds DOES positively correlate with winning games. This is not opinion. It’s analysis. In such analysis, he’s significantly better than average.
by jae on
Jul 23, 2008 3:52 PM PDT
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