Warriors sign Maurice Evans
Warriors sign Maurice Evans to a 3 year deal worth 6.4 mil today so, sources say that Warriors not going to resign buike. Maurice played with the lakers and magic before signing with us. What do you think of this signing? Maurice Evans has been a player that hasn't gotten much playing time, but i think hes a pretty good player.
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If this is true
I don’t think I like it. Why would this just hit the news when the article is dated Tuesday morning at 9 AM? I can’t find it anywhere else.
Plus he’s 30, why would we give him 3 years?
by Eggman on Jul 22, 2008 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HE GETS THE LAST LAUGH PEASANTS
you guys said he wont get a contract after he turned down the dubs. he just signed with the hawks.
by ADOBO on Jul 25, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see this...
sure he can shoot the rock from downtown, but so can all the other players. This guy did even have an impressive 3pt% (39). I’d rather have Bukie IMO since he is a guard that crashes the boards. Mo is just a spot up shooter who has no intangibles or anything. If the Warriors were lookin for a spot up shooter, then they could of gotten a hella cheap one in Morrow.
by Spee-D on Jul 22, 2008 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow...even with baron, barnes, pietrus, and buikie gone,
u can still say we have more depth this season…amazing. lol
Ellis/Williams/Watson
Jackson/Evans/Bellinelli
Maggette/Randolph/
Harrington/Wright/Hendrix
Biedrins/Turiaf/Perovic
Thats 14…
This means Hendrix stays in D-League or Perovic is definitely going back to Serbia?
by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Jul 22, 2008 10:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow...even with baron, barnes, pietrus, and buikie gone,u can still say we have more depth this season
Yeah but it only counts if it’s good depth! Those missing four took half of our playoff experience.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 22, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason
i don’t trust this article. i’ll wait for one that doesn’t throw it in as an aside.
by Foulacy on Jul 22, 2008 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pree, where are you?
Have you heard this, it seems weird the only place this has popped up so far is a small clip at the end of a LA article.
So is this true or not?
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that Mullin...
is trying to do what the Celtics did. I don’t mean build a contender, but at least building a good team with just about brand new players
by Golden Boy on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mo Evans
I watched this guy play alot in LA and, believe me, this is a solid signing. You’ll be amazed with his underrated athleticism. The dude has major hops for a yoked guy and he’s a quick leaper like as if he were on a pogo stick. Not only that, he’s been a solid shooter and finisher for his career. The rest of his game is below average to average, but he’ll be a perfect veteran backup for us at $2mil/yr.
We should just re-sign Azubuike anyway, then we could have three of the buffest swingmen in the league: Maggette, Evans, and Azubuike.
On a serious note, we really should just re-sign Azubuike anyway just in case Belinelli and Randolph don’t pan out well in the future. It’s of little cost to us, won’t get in the way of re-signing Ellis or Biedrins, it’s a good value signing and he’d be a good trading piece, and we’d have crazy depth in case of injury.
Ellis / Williams / Watson
Jackson / Evans / Belinelli
Maggette / Azubuike / Randolph
Harrington / Wright / Hendrix
Biedrins / Turiaf / Perovic
That’s a beautiful, deep, full squad right there. I’ll bet anybody that Randolph is going to end up in the D-League regardless (due to his 200 pound stick figure), Perovic is never going to be suited up, and Watson/Hendrix will have their stints in the D-League as well. Shoot, even our second string team could hang with alot of teams in the NBA.
by YaHeard on Jul 22, 2008 10:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They have the money if they really wanted to
But they wouldnt pay that much for that far down the bench. Just would be nice if a better source would confirm this.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have plenty of money
for Buike now, and he’d be our dependable backup SF. It’s a big mistake to assume that Watson, Belinelli, Randolph, and Hendrix are for sure NBA-calibur players; they haven’t proved anything yet.
Where did you hear we don’t have the money for Buike? We own the rights to match his offer sheet regardless of where we’re at with regards to the salary cap. After re-signing Buke, we’d be about $16mil this year under the luxury tax level, which is plenty of money to re-sign both Ellis and Biedrins. (assuming the contracts are backloaded) (plus Mullin could use that figure as leverage to not overpay them)
by YaHeard on Jul 22, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just hope Mully
Doesnt get carried away with I dont have to over pay you. Thats when they will get mad just accept the qualifying one year offer and be unrestricted free agents next year.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AR to D-League would be a mistake
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that sending AR to the D-League is a miserable idea. AR’s 200lb stick figure is much stronger than any of us thought. AR is sinewy but stronger than BW’s stick figure. No, if we are indeed in rebuild AR should get 10-15min a game this season. Nelly loves his skills and comfort with the ball. BW is better suited for the D-League as his Elven frame fills out (nobody hold their breath while waiting for this). For the record, I think both players should be getting 10-15min a game this season.
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be the other way around...
You don’t put players in the D-League just to dump ‘em somewhere… You put ‘em there for them to improve and if they do send anyone to the D-League it should be Randolph who needs to improve much more than how he is now… He’s very turnover prone as we all have seen in Summer League and it’s only bound to get worse with players that are in the NBA. D-League would be the right move for him because instead of getting 10-15 he could get starting position and go for 25-35 mins per game.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Don’t send him to the D-league
by Nellieball on Jul 23, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i truly hope this is BS…evans is 30…and for just 1million more a year for buike back…wtf…wtf
by war i are. on Jul 22, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess
this gives them flexibility to add a vet at midseason should they have a major injury or two. Buike woulda left them with almost no room. thats about the only explanation I can come up with.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any vet added mid season
Would be through trade or so. So having Buike wouldnt really matter about his money in that situation.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
there could be vets available to sign midseason. or a D-Leaguer.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would most likely be the minimum
If available and there exceptions and stuff they can use then.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the one where he steals Cabbages pass right in front of him and then finishes the And1 with Cabbages wrapped around him. Good Signing!
by KeepRunnin on Jul 23, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this BS is true…then Mullin has OFFICIALLY lost it. He could have gotten Anthony Morrow for WAY cheaper as a shooter…and he’s younger too!
by thebaydestrian on Jul 22, 2008 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea but there is a good chance
It’s in his contract he can get out of it if he gets an NBA offer.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would explain him playing in the summer league
Else why risk getting injured if he couldn’t sign on with an NBA team.
by mosdl on Jul 22, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look.
Evans is a proven NBA caliber veteran that gives you average production and good hustle it looks like in a reserve role.
Morrow has yet to even play one NBA game. SL is nothing like an actual NBA game. You can’t project Morrow’s kind of production to an NBA calibar squad from a handful of SL games, but you can project what Evans gives you.
Sure, Morrow could be a diamond in the rough. But it’s more likely that he won’t. Otherwise, why wouldn’t someone have drafted or signed him to a contract by now?
Mullin makes the right decision here by taking Evans over an unknown.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 23, 2008 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Thanks kenntoe
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add that Evans apparently has a rep as a good defensive player. It seems that so much of defense is learned through experience in the league. Evans should be a plus there when he comes in.
Morrow, if signed, will command the NBA min. I don’t think Evans precludes Morrow.
For what it’s worth, neither of the last two years of summer league action have seen a walk on make the team.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Morrow
is unproven. He’s done well in Summer League, wow so what. So did Belinelli last year. So does Nate Robinson every year.
He wasn’t even a lights out shooter in college until his final year, and he does very little else on the court too.
by YaHeard on Jul 22, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying Belinelli did well in the summer league last year is even a bit of a stretch. He was electric in the first game and shot light’s out. He came back to earth, scoring points by taking a gazillion shots, but for the most part, not shooting all that well. He couldn’t rebound to save his life. He didn’t rebound well for a guard. He didn’t rebound well for a quadruple amputee. But the first game was huge shooting and seemed to come out of nowhere and it left the impression that he “did well” in the summer league.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Mo was consistently our top or 2nd leading scorer 3 out of the 4 years he was in college. Trust me, I went to school with the guy. That’s why I made an earlier comparision to Kyle Korver. And I agree that Mo Evans can play D and is proven, but there is no doubt A-Mo can make the NBA shot, and personally, I think it would be better paying the NBA minimum to get a rookie sharpshooter than pay much more for a veteran that is essentially a shooter asa well.
by thebaydestrian on Jul 23, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust Mullin
He has something up his sleeve. Despite our losses, look what he’s brought us. Maggette, Turiaf, and Williams. Maybe Evans. More to come??? We will be competitive
by Golden Boy on Jul 22, 2008 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what?
Maggette, Turiaf, Williams, and Evans? For Baron, Pietrus, Buike, and Barnes? I wouldnt make that trade. we will be competitive? I’m not so sure. At least we will have Monta and Biedrins back.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
monta and beans arent even official yet…makes me even more nervous
by war i are. on Jul 22, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea but
we have the cap space and almost nobody else does.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
our cap space...
has been pretty much used up.
by kinetic on Jul 23, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have around 20+ Million before the luxury tax.
Which will theoretically be used to sign Mondris!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 23, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhh
The two-headed Mondris might become a distant memory in the land of the Golden State. I surmise that at least one of the beast’s heads is on the block. Not convinced Mully is sold on AB as Center after Nelly leaves…”What!?”...yeah I said that ish.
Mulson against Mondris in a clash of the titans.
I would be intrigued and piqued if the team made a BOLD play and replaced AB, the power forward masquerading as a center, with some unforeseen, all star caliber, youngish talent.
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There still are "active" trades on the board...
All I can say…
by streetballer on Jul 23, 2008 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooo
See, bigs viewed as Centers are an overvalued commodity across the league. Typically, the right trade can bring in star-power for a young C-type player.
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see that happening...
which is the exact reason why we have added all these strong role players onto the team… they act as trading chips come the trading deadline…
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm... name these trades you're talking about
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know...
but what I’m trying to say is that we have enough good pieces to move around… I don’t know if we’ll make something crazy go down..
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that quality big men rarely move around
Marcus Camby doesn’t count. Elton Brand does. This offseason has been crazy. Shaq forced out, but would never come to Oakland because he wouldn’t be able to keep up a high enough profile. And when they do, they’re usually towards the end or past their prime and can’t give that much more.
KG was traded for ANOTHER quality big man (Al Jefferson), so that doesn’t count because the net big man move was nil.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sniff,sniff
I don’t know mang. I smell something involving AB and Josh Smith…
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about sheed?
I think Sheed coming over is more likely than smith coming over.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Jul 23, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the worst that could happen with Monta and Biedrens
is they only take the qualifying offer and are unrestricted free agents next year. They are at least here this year. So you can be nervous of possibly losing them next year if they dont sign soon. But there is nothing to worry about this year with them.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know how screwed...
the warriors would be if that happened? It’d be basically saying good bye to Monta and Beans after this year. So you’re happy as long as this year they’re around? They’re the only bright spots on this roster, and without them we’re back in another 13 year drought.
by kinetic on Jul 23, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not 13
but it definately would not be pretty.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea but it wasnt a trade
It’s doing the best of getting out of a situation they didnt expect to be in now (Baron opting out)
If you want to compare this years team to last years team. Also remember players like Monta and Biedrens, should be better this year than they were last year. Because they are so young and keep growing as NBA players.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it wasnt a trade obviously
but if you look at the sum of our offseason it aint so rosy.
by sam23 on Jul 22, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I know what your saying
Just so many people have called it a trade and just you really shouldnt look at it like that. Since it wasnt there choice. Plus I just wanna try and make other warriors fans feel better about the situation. Pump some positive up around here.
That’s what we were known for for 13 years. ( Unrealistic expectations) So just gotta deal with the hand we were dealt.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peep this thought
I’m gonna say that AB hit his plateau betwixt the 06-07 season and 07-08. Matter of fact, whether by fault of team deficiencies or just over-achieving, I think his defense regressed last year. Barf…can’t believe I’m gonna refer to the ever-misleading stats but, check the numbers.
PS: I hear Woodson wants his squad to get bigger
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
The kid was born in 1986. He’s 22 years old. He has not peaked. Just stop.
His FT percentage is going up yearly, his defense will improve (it takes a long time for players to learn that ish)
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont hit your plateau in the NBA when you're 22
most players are in their prime from like 27-32
by 3Kings650 on Jul 23, 2008 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If your upside is limited you can! Where do you guys expect the groundbreaking improvements to come from? Problem is that he has a Center’s skillset in a PF’s body. He’s a wrist shooter. I am very happy his FT% improved so much. But, let’s be honest, at 40-50%, we had to expect THAT to get better.
I know I’m on record for drawing attention to the flaws in BW and AB (for abt an year and a half now) but, I’m consistent for a reason. I see glaring limitations concerning their development as NBA bigs. I don’t care what age they are, I smell role players. In Andris’ case, his value is pretty high and (to me) overvalued. This could be the perfect opportunity to take a flyer out on what kind of talent we can get in return.
I’m here everyday reading these diaries and posts just like you fellas. And me love GSW basketball long time. I just don’t agree on who constitutes the nucleus of this team. Hey JAE, just saw the comment below in which I’d respond that:
I, probably much like you, prefer to eschew stats in favor of watching players on the court and applying my knowledge and experience playing and watching the game, to evaluate talent. And much like objective analysis of qualitative data, empirical evidence has flaws and often doesn’t tell the whole story when effected by external variables (sorry for the whole research methodologies jargon).
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in addendum
I think AB does have great value when it comes to the makeup of this team. I get that. But he’s never going to be a top tier center IMO. I’d rather stash a serviceable, do all the little things center like KPerkins at the 5 (especially in the Warriors system…which ain’t gonna change much with Ellis on the squad and even with KSmart at the helm) and score a star player (like a younger, healthier BD) at one of the skill positions.
Our swing men and skill players are the element that make this system live or die. Last season: Lack of depth at the 1,2 and 3= tired legs, incapable of running our style of ball/ players petered out as the season wore on. That’s why we are stocking up on guys like Mo Evans this year. Tired legs effect all facets of play including (gasp) rebounding. When we’re right, our rebounds should come from our 1,2 and 3’s crashing the bucket in space (yeah, JRich style). Whatever, sometimes I lose track and start writing a diary.
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you that AB
surely does seem limited but at the same time his stats are solid… I believe that it is only that our style of game play makes it seem that he is not of that much importance due to the fact that he is probably our last option when scoring and we only utilize his strengths as a rebounder more than anything. We play a fast paced game and if it were more slowed down I’m sure other teams would find him very valuable. Biedrins is very skilled underneath and he finds a way to put it in the hole… very efficient scorer that you will always get very good minutes out of.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost all players are “limited” in some sense, so the question then goes to what are within his limits and are those skills useful enough that he can contribute to winning basketball. All but the most Stern-fed-hype mad individuals should recognize that the answer to that is a resounding “yes.” Not only can he contribute to a winning team, but he has and he’s shown that the team he plays for is better with him than without.
Biedrins is a very good rebounder. If you want to believe that those rebounds “just happen” or that his stats are somehow false because of “the system” you are entirely free to do so and be wrong and misled. He’s been a very good rebounder since he got to the league, before this “system” came to be when he had other good rebounders playing.
Biedrins shoots for a very, very, very high percentage from the floor. Yes, they’re short shots, dunks, layups and putbacks. They count for 2 points. He doesn’t miss shots and missing shots is a great way to hand the ball back to the other team without scoring. Sure he might not be a “go to guy” but his offense is entirely gravy in that his points do not come at the expense of someone else who would be more efficient at scoring. Knocking the “dunks and layups” makes it sound like these things are easy. It it was easy, more guys would do it. It isn’t easy. Remember Foyle fumbling passes to him? Remember him letting rebounds (that Biedrins converts to a dunk or layup) bounce off of him and go out of bounds? Remember watching the “athletic” Harrington somehow struggle to hit layups? I certainly do. All of those instances cost the team. Biedrins doesn’t make those mistakes often.
But of course, we’re fueled with hype that points per game scoring is what makes a guy valuable and that a big man has to “bang” to be effective. The results strongly suggest that Biedrins is quite good and valuable to the team.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...AB DOES have great hands
His point production will always be contingent on a having a fine distributor that breaks down the defense and creates space to get AB those looks. Dunks and layups in AB’s world come because he is effective slashing and rolling to the basket. His post game is middling at best (he has quick feet but nary the size to muscle up to the rim and never a jump or set shot that a player with his lack of girth must rely on). But PPG is not even my #1 requirement for a Center (be it in our system or any other…because we know how different the chemistry for success is between a traditional team and a Nelly team). Nay, I prefer one of two things defensively. A player who is an imposing shot blocker or a beast who throws weight on opponents crashing the boards. Problem is, AB is pushed around in both scenarios and is hardly an imposition in the key as a defender.
I must say, I appreciate AB’s hands and to me, that is his most valuable asset. Foyle (ice tongs) and Dampier (baby hands) were tough to watch. I’d argue, however, that there are many players in the league capable of grabbing rebounds who also might provide the size and body to allow our larger, athletic guards and SF’s to put up rebound numbers.
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i m tired
of people who think that Andris will be skinny until his 50 anniversary -do you think Big Z or Sabonis never were skinny guys (i named them because they come 200miles southern then Riga -Andris hometown)
-i was pretty skinny untill my 24 -that’s about genes -so latvians are build
sometimes when i read this “dominant big man thing” i remember Bob Marley’s lyric
some people think
that God will came from the sky
make everything allright
and make everybody feel hi…
why you don’t want to trade Al for some banger PF?
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 23, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andris will be skinny
as long as he keeps getting to pound, I mean, exercise with that smoking gf of his.
by misterjennings on Jul 23, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
out of my experience i can say that this exercising just makes you stronger
-after some time you even start to bulk up -and became confident and bold and even starting to push other people around
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 23, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blocking shots seems impressive, but it has a low correlation with win totals. Teams that block a bunch of shots don’t necessarily have better defense as a whole. Biedrins doesn’t have weight to toss around, but he seems to get rebounds anyhow.
I am curious how you come to your argument that there are many players capable of grabbing rebounds (presumably as well as Biedrins). Rebound rates seem to be ridiculously stable from year to year for a player even when that player changes teams and “systems.” The notion that rebounds can just happen if you put someone in the right situation seems to be a rather common one, though there’s next to no evidence that this is the case.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he’s shown that the team he plays for is better with him than without.?
That’s hard to say if he won’t go away! How can we know if we’d be better off or worse without actually trying someone else? His time on the bench with a backup doesn’t tell us anything cause if we dint have Dris we wouldn’t be playing his backup we’d be playin his replacement?
I don’t think he’s a top drawer center cause he’s too weak to bang in the paint , reluctant to flatten guys driving to the rim, and too poor a shooter to draw any defense away from other players. I see a lot of his rebounds as gifts simply because he has no competition in the paint from our midgets. He’s about average , not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hard to say?
bring back Foyle
hi Zorgon :)
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 23, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, granted the playing time prior to a couple of years ago was limited but the Warriors have* been positive plus/minus with Biedrins ever season he’s been around, significantly moreso than when he’s been on the bench. This predates the “no backup center” lineup this year (and effectively the year before when Foyle never played) and goes back to the Montgomery era. Of course there’s no way of determining what a backup would have done short of some oracle to other dimensions, but at a certain point when the team is always better with him year after year, and are not just better, but a team that outscores their opponents with him but seldom does without him that he’s a rather positive contributor.
The subjective measure that he’s not able to “bang in the paint” seems to put value on it as if that somehow correlates with winning games. I’ve seen no evidence that it’s all that important. I have seen MUCH evidence that making shots and grabbing rebounds DOES positively correlate with winning games. This is not opinion. It’s analysis. In such analysis, he’s significantly better than average.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
which is exactly what I wanted to say but of course I get lazy lol HAHA
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re going to refer to stats, just refer to the ones that aren’t ever misleading.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely think
that we will be a VERY good team actually… there’s is alot of skill on the roster now… at this point its no longer fillers of players who have no real talent with the basketball if you think about it… and yes trust Mullin I really think that for the most part aside from the Turiaf signing everything is looking good. Maurice Evans is a very aggressive SG that is offensive minded but at the same time plays great defense. He’s a great player overall.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think about
How happy we would be if we were in the East right now.
We don’t have a horrible team. Just sucks the West has so many good and great teams right now.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but honestly…. I really think that everyone’s over-reacting to the situation I’m sure that Mullin knows what he’s doing he’s doing a great job for the most part and I really believe in his decision making that he’ll make the right choices to build this team correctly and head it in the right direction. Also I think that Mullin is also thinking post Nelson when we don’t have 2s and 3s playing 4s and 5s.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea probably so.
Only thing you gotta worry about at times, when young kids like Monta get thrown all this money around them, they may not take a good offer. If there friends or agents can make them believe they will get even more later.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you're absolutely right....
but at the same time I think being in a place where you’re the star at the same time… You probably wouldn’t leave that type of atmosphere when you’re at that young age… and I also think that since Mullin and Nelson talk so highly of him, I would expect that you would stay… Plus he flourishes in the system that he’s in…
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 22, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea it definately..
is the best system for him. Just will feel a little better once the deal is done. Were warriors fans, you never know what could happen to us.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL hahaha yeah were like TNT
Full of Drama and ish but you know what I find this all exciting and I mean I really don’t mind the droughts and whatever but really I just like entertaining basketball and I know that that’s what the Warriors will always provide.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bet you never thought when the season
ended our off season would be filled with this much drama.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol to be honest with you...
I thought it would… for some reason I get these haunches about things… LOL and it never really amazes me that much… I mean really the only thing that has really gotten me going like WOW is that Turiaf signing…. but the rest is cool I’m fine with it and I expected us to go for Williams anyways lol i had a little Post about it a while ago…
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
was the wow about the Turiaf signing for you
a good wow, great move or wow what the hell are they doing?
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I like his energy… I just don’t like how he’s a cry baby sometimes and over reacts to things… I think he goes a little too Hollywood with it… no pun intended being that he was in LA but in any case I think it was a descent signing… A little too much for my wallet but it was just WOW for me because to me it was really random to go after Turiaf in the first place… I never really pictured him being on our team… and I though we would have gone for someone who is a better scorer… I think we could have gotten a better player for cheaper… someone who is I guess a bigger banger a more aggressive player… If you think about it… the past 5 championships were won because of aggressive players… players that just want to rip the other teams’ head off… Posey… Garnett.. Shaq.. Mourning.. Bowen.. Horry.. Haslem.. Sheed & Ben Wallace… Perkins.. Players that could care less what happens to other players after they terrorize them during the game… by giving out hard fouls or playing dirty doing the little things that change the game… I call them bastards of the sport because they never got love from their daddy… so they’re out to prove how man they are by destroying people… lol I understand I’m going a bit over board with it but that’s just how I see it… Hopefully I answered your question somewhere in there…but basically what im trying to say is I was just caught off guard. I thought we could get a better player at a better price.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a minute...
you have way too much faith in Mullin. I mean, I can see someone saying something like that about Billy Beane, but that guy has a great track record and always seems to get the better of everything.
Meanwhile, Mullin has made two rather lucky trades (Baron and the Harrington/Jackson) for players that teams were unhappy with. He’s never done anything special to gain that type of trust. And I gotta say, I’m losing more and more faith with each signing.
by kinetic on Jul 23, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just want buike back…thats all…we gonna watch him develope with a rival team…a la agent zero
by war i are. on Jul 22, 2008 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agent zero didnt develop with a rival team
and buike is no gilbert
by 3Kings650 on Jul 23, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the warriors really signed Evans.
There is also one other possibility. If they think Buike has the potential to keep getting better. Match the offer. Wait till mid season and use him as a trade chip.
Luxury tax rules dont apply till the end of the season. So this would have no affect on Monta and Biedrens contract.
This is what the warriors did with Marc Jackson when they thought he was worth something. They didnt really need him. But he was so cheap they didnt want to ose him for nothing. So they resigned him and then saw what offers they could get for him.
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post.
I would really hate to see us lose AB for nothing and develop with the Clips. Especially since we discovered him. I’d much rather have him than Evans anyways.
by mundavelli on Jul 22, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Warriors match Azubuike, he has the right to veto trades for a year. That limits his value as a trade chip. Getting rid of him mid season to reduce salary also means sending him to a team that can absorb his salary without sending anything back. Those teams are…? And he’s approve a trade to that team because…?
Matching a player with the express purpose of trading him DOES recall the fiasco that was Marc Jackson. The offers they could get for him turned into a conditional 2nd round pick 5 years after the trade. Yeah. Great plan.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm calling BS
I don’t think this is gonna happen. Maybe the Warriors are entertaining it, but why would Evans accept so much less money? 3 yrs $6M does not make sense. Pietrus got for $5M per year and Evans is a better player. If this is true, its an absolute STEAL for the Warriors. I hope it is true, but I’ve only seen one source and if it looks too good to be true, i think we all know the rest.
by warriordrp on Jul 22, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pietrus has "potential" cause of being younger
Evans has peaked cause of age. That’s why the money could be less.
But I just wish for a better source.
Pree was on here earlier today and never mentioned this signing. The article is from 9 am, so you think he would have known something.
Sp pree if your around, you know the truth to this?
by The Golden One on Jul 22, 2008 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If true, this is… extremely odd.
If it doesn’t cost us Buike, then fine. I don’t really get the point of it, but no harm, no foul, I guess… maybe it’s leading towards something else. If this costs us Buike, it’s lame… why sign an older, worse-rebounding version of Buike? To save seven hundred grand a year? Are we that terrified of Monta and Beans putting us over the cap?
We’ll see what happens here, but I hope this isn’t true.
by onlxn on Jul 23, 2008 12:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone have so much faith in Mullin?
Pros:
Baron trade
Jackson/Harrington trade
drafted Monta and Beans
Cons:
overpays free agents, way way way overpays them
other than Monta and Beans his drafts have been terrible
His two big trades were lucky. He landed disgruntled players that the teams wanted to move, so was able to pay .50 to the dollar. Of course they were good trades.
Why is everyone so positive that he has a plan for the team? Everything I’ve seen him do since the Baron opt out just reeked of panic moves to me. Throwing max money at Gil and Brand. Overpaying the next best guy out there. Overpaying Turiaf (although we do have a backup C now). Saying that Monta is gonna play the point, and then going after point guards. Not signing buike, even though the guys a stud and due for a breakout. I just don’t see what he’s trying to do. Is he gearing up for the future? Is he just trying to have a respectable year? Is he worried about his job if the team stinks? Is he planning to make a run at free agents in the coming offseasons? I just don’t understand any of his decisions.
Plus, I’m gonna say it now. I don’t think Belinelli is ever going to play a role in the NBA, and I don’t see Randolph having an impact until a year from now.
by kinetic on Jul 23, 2008 12:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well think of it this way...
Mullin has turned the Franchise around… he ended a drought and so far we’ve been playing better each year that he’s been in the front office… sure people leave.. come and go… but whatever that doesn’t take away from the fact that we’re much better off than before and at least now hopefully we become a consistent team. Consistency I believe is what Mullin is looking for and once that’s good he’ll go for the big fish…
Everyone always talks about us landing a Big Fish in the future like LeBron or Carmelo, Wade, Bosh… whoever but guess what… if you’re teams been sucking for more than a decade… how many players are really going to want to come to your team and play? Look at what happened to Arenas & Brand… You have to become a desirable location and Mullin, I believe is doing just that by putting a good team together that can compete and be at least a .500 team.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
turning the franchise around
Mullin got the GM job when the franchise in poor shape, no one disputes that but his decisions prior to hiring Nelson were by an large pouring gas on the fire – poor decisions on FAs, resigning players & poor drafts except for Andris and Monta, who blossomed under Nelson. It wasn’t until he couldn’t make any trades to change the roster that he changed coaches. Nelson’s arrival turned the franchise back around, not Mullin. As far as big fish and making GS a desirable location, Mullin has a ways to go as evidenced by this summer alone.
by hardcore on Jul 23, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so positive that he has a plan for the team? Everything I’ve seen him do since the Baron opt out just reeked of panic moves to me.
For me at least, it’s not faith in Mullin having a plan, really. I just don’t hate how our team looks. I’ll admit, I don’t get this Mo Evans thing, if it’s true.
Throwing max money at Gil and Brand.
I totally agree about offering Gilbert a max deal… that was odd. Offering Brand a max deal, on the other hand, was a fine move. It did somewhat reek of panic, but it would’ve really helped this team if he’d signed with us, and (IIRC) it was the highest-money offer he got.
Overpaying the next best guy out there.
Yeah, fair enough. I don’t think it was a dramatic overpay, but he did overpay for Maggette.
Overpaying Turiaf (although we do have a backup C now).
Saying that Monta is gonna play the point, and then going after point guards. Not signing buike, even though the guys a stud and due for a breakout. I just don’t see what he’s trying to do. Is he gearing up for the future? Is he just trying to have a respectable year? Is he worried about his job if the team stinks? Is he planning to make a run at free agents in the coming offseasons? I just don’t understand any of his decisions.
Plus, I’m gonna say it now. I don’t think Belinelli is ever going to play a role in the NBA, and I don’t see Randolph having an impact until a year from now.
I’ll admit, I have no idea what this Mo Evans thing is about. Seems bizarre to me.
by onlxn on Jul 23, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill take you up on that...
I’m gonna say it now. I don’t think Belinelli is ever going to play a role in the NBA
Because I really think he’s a pure shooter… Just watching his shooting mechanics and his finesse of his shot is amazing to me… I mean anyone who’s played competitive basketball HS & College would know and could tell the difference between’s peoples shooting techniques and how Belinelli’s differs from other people in the NBA… He will be good and he will get much playing time this season.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Just watching his shooting mechanics and his finesse of his shot is amazing to me
the way he is shooting the ball with uncoordinated body (legs in rotation not fixed spine etc) and still makes the shot amazes me too -this guy is pure shooter
though his defense still sucks -but i hope he is capable to play some NBA level D @ least for 10 minutes per game
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 23, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can tell too huh?
Yeah some people just understand and see things that other people cannot and this dude Marco is very very talented… he can shoot off balanced even though I find it not very difficult myself… but to others it’s impossible to learn… it’s just like people saying that LeBron is going to be like Jordan or better… that will never happen because they have different game styles and LeBron will never be as good a shooter ever… If anyone was a complete player it would be Kobe Bryant… Ill say it… He’s the best player in the world and there is no one right now in the NBA that has the potential to be as great or even close to his skill. Of course Mike is #1.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about AR
Who else is seeing how savage this dude is. And he’s much stronger than given credit for. And his handles are nice. And his jumper is smooth. And he has great reflexes that allow him to block shots.
I mean, using your logic, why is everyone on that “project player” tip. I see AR ironing out the rough edges THIS year on an NBA court. I’m baffled by all the D League banter.
by Hoof on Jul 23, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see AR ironing out the rough edges THIS year on an NBA court. I’m baffled by all the D League banter.
The reason he should be in D league is cause we want to win games. He can grow and learn there then come back when he’s got some experience and conditioning. If he’d stayed in school for a couple more years it would be different, he’d been more mature and more refined.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I answered this question up a couple posts ago but yeah exactly. Plus the fact is that he will be able to play waaaaay more minutes in D-League since he will be behind Jackson/Maggette/Evans/Belinelli which could all possibly rotate into that 3 position. The minutes would be too limited for him in the NBA and the D-League he would start most likely playing 25-30 mins instead of 10-15 with us. Plus he is very raw… 6 TOs per game… imagine playing on Rookie averaging 6 TOs/game (if you’re into video games) then moving the setting up a little higher to Hall of Fame… what do you have? 11 TOs/game? LOL I don’t know but I’m going with Skeptic on this one that I really see him going to the D-League.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
das what i am saying...
the kid shoots off balance alot like stojkavic and turkoglu and makes it!!!!!!!! the way they shoot is effortless. give him some playing time this year and let see what he can do. if not than at least give him another year of training, and if it don’t work out than let him go. let him go where he will light us up on another team…........LOL.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHOOPS, sorry about that. Continuing through kinetic’s Mullin gripes:
Overpaying Turiaf (although we do have a backup C now)
I have trouble seeing Turiaf’s contract as excessive… that’s about what an effective role-player big costs in the NBA. If you want to argue that we don’t need Turiaf, fair enough, but I think Turiaf is worth that much.
Saying that Monta is gonna play the point, and then going after point guards.
There’s nothing inconsistent about that… the team rightly felt that C.J. Watson isn’t sufficient backup at the position, and did something about it. I get having a beef with the Monta-at-point plan, but there’ve been no inconsistencies about how they’ve pursued that plan.
Not signing buike, even though the guys a stud and due for a breakout.
Buike’s not gone yet. The only indication he might be is this one strange PE article, and even if the Evans signing is for real, that doesn’t necessarily mean we won’t keep Buike as well. If we do lose Buike, it’s a huge mistake, and I’ll come a lot closer to joining you in the anti-Mullin ranks. But we haven’t lost the guy yet.
I just don’t see what he’s trying to do. Is he gearing up for the future? Is he just trying to have a respectable year? Is he worried about his job if the team stinks? Is he planning to make a run at free agents in the coming offseasons? I just don’t understand any of his decisions.
It’s true that Mullin seems a little all over the map, but so far, I think there’s a degree of consistency to what he’s doing. He seems to be emphasizing two things: youth, and depth.
This team is well-designed to see what we have in our young players. We’re (presumably) about to commit to Monta long-term… the ideal version of Monta would be one that can play PG, so we’re going to find out if he can. We’re commiting to Biedrins at center. We have two young high-potential forwards in Wright and Randolph. Azubuike is 24, Turiaf is 25, Marcus Williams is 22. There is a helluva lot of high-upside youth on this team. That’s complemented by Captain Jack, an emotional leader who’d be difficult to trade in any event, and Al, an ill-fitting piece that Mullin’s trying to move.
It sure looks like a youth movement to me. The one move that contradicts that is the Maggette signing. A lot of folks are down on it, for legitimate reasons. But to me, given the Warriors’ exact position in terms of finances and team strength, it was a decent decision. The Maggette-less version of this team wasn’t going to suck quite enough to land an impact pick, and our cap space was going to disappear after this year anyway… Randolph’s a couple years away, even if he does develop. Essentially the question is, do you want Corey Maggette to help your team now, at the risk of not wanting him in three years? I think it’s perfectly fair to answer “no” to that question… I do think we overpaid him a bit. But I think answering “yes” isn’t ridiculous either.
If we have indeed punted Azubuike for Maurice Evans, that’s pretty dumb, and contradicts a lot of this. So we’ll see.
Plus, I’m gonna say it now. I don’t think Belinelli is ever going to play a role in the NBA, and I don’t see Randolph having an impact until a year from now.
Agree on Belinelli, and I might be even more pessimistic about Randolph than you. I’m not gonna spend much energy defending Mullin’s draft record.
by onlxn on Jul 23, 2008 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You people believe everything you read in the newspaper
Much of the crap you read before signings were legal was agents spewing whatever they could to get what they wanted. So Gilbert is coming off a couple injured seasons? The Wizards don’t want to lock him up long term? OK, say the Warriors are going after him to get Washington to pony up? Hey, it worked cool!
You get cap space to acquire players like Brand, if the Clippers wanted him so badly, and the Sixers wanted him so badly, I don’t think the Achilles was much of an issue. If we could have got him for 90M/5 years, that’d have been pretty good.
I’ve said my piece on Maggette, 14 shots per game turns into 22 points per game. End of story.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
“You people”
Put a little mustard on it
by The Barnes Supremacy on Jul 23, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mullin's trades were lucky?
Wow thats a moronic thought, you can talk shit about what he does wrong but makes two great trades and they were lucky? Thats retarded
by pbra17 on Jul 23, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
i hear you, kinetic. the buike signing is one of the most obvious, simplest things to us. mullin as gm is a farce. here’s to wishing our gm was instead pritchard…
by steelekord on Jul 23, 2008 12:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
that guy is just picking people’s pockets in the draft.
by kinetic on Jul 23, 2008 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont trust this article
This PE.com doesn’t seem very reliable. To throw in something never said before like acquiring maurice evans at the end of an article seems like bs. there are no articles on evans linking him with the warriors, not even rumors. i mean the article says that the warriors already signed him, which is already false information; they could be planning it but they haven’t signed the guy yet. so when i read this article after checking up on any news on buike, i compared the two players and they’re very similar except for the age (6 YEARS) and the 3 more rpg that kaz has over mo evans. so would you rather sign someone significantly younger who attacks the boards on a team that desperately needs that or someone who isn’t necessarily old but is getting there soon who scores 0.4 more ppg? i choose the younger one with the boards. i see no need to sign evans with azubuike. sure, he’s a little under 1 mil/yr cheaper but buike’s worth it, especially with all he’s given us. we have enough money to sign ellis and biedrins. and in the long run, it’s better. who knows how evans will age, and it probably won’t be well. his numbers seem to increase but i wouldn’t take the chance on him increasing that much more. with buike, you can expect improvement. there has been speculation on how hard kelenna’ been working this summer, especially now that his knee tendonitis has cleared up.
if mullin is really gonna get rid of buke just to save a few dollars and play an older version of him is the last straw; mully’s track record isn’t the best. cough murphy and dunleavy cough and if his reasoning is that we still have belinelli, randolph, hendrix, then i have reason to believe that he’s not doing okay upthere in his head. its too big of a risk to depend on two rooks, one of whom i admit has potential, and a guy who played like 30 games under the coaching of don nelson, who doesn’t seem to really use rookies and noobs.
all im saying is Kelenna Azubuike is solid and extremely versatile. The guy played guard, forward, and even freaking center for a game. He can shoot, he can rebound, he can defend. He’s perfect for the W’s and if Chris Mullin lets another wonderful player go to the Paper Clips, then it’s going to be proven that Mullin is one of the worst GMs ever.
by goldenstatelove on Jul 23, 2008 1:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Evans
Scrappy, tough, athletic, hits the glass a little (5.0 reb/36 career), pretty efficient from the floor (.453), downtown (.366) and stripe (.766). He’s been a bit of a glass jaw over his career, but that’s probably why he came so cheap.
Plus, he was fantastic as Hutch in Rosemary’s Baby and Dr. Zaius in Planet of the Apes…

Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 23, 2008 4:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like it
its great evans has good playoff experience, turiaf has experience, maggs has a little, and williams has a little to. these were step ups from pietrus, barnes, and azubiuke. and tha maggs and baron r both equal he averaged 22 points just like baron so i like tha evans pick up and all tha other one plus to get williams 4 a pick wuz great az well.
by thomasjustyn on Jul 23, 2008 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is Real. And I like it.
On the heels of adding point guard Marcus Williams, the Warriors are now reportedly adding free agent forward Maurice Evans, who played for both the Lakers and Magic last season.
The Warriors have signed Evans to a three-year, $6.4 million deal, according to the Riverside Press-Enterprise. By adding Evans, it means the Warriors would not match the three-year, $9 million contract restricted free agent Kelenna Azubuike signed with the Los Angeles Clippers last week. The Warriors had until Friday to match Azubuike’s deal, but Evans represents a cheaper – and perhaps better – alternative.
San Jose Mercury Says it Now:
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_9969946
In Evans, the Warriors are getting an athletic swingman who’s known as a solid defender and good three-point shooter (39 percent last season). The 6-foot-5 Evans averaged 9.3 points in 68 games for Orlando last season. He came to Orlando with Brian Cook in a November trade with the Los Angeles Lakers that sent Trevor Ariza to Southern California.
Evans, 29, has played five seasons in the NBA, including stops in Detroit and Sacramento.
by Squall on Jul 23, 2008 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just wonder why this took until about 10PM last night to start to hit the news wire, when the article that everybody is siting (including ESPN and hoopshype.com and the merc news, etc.) was posted at 9:44AM yesterday morning.
by Eggman on Jul 23, 2008 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The mercury
is just taking the news from that other website also. Still waiting for another source to actually say it. If it was official, it would be on the warriors website.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Trust the Warriors website more than the rest of them or ESPN
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to chose
Bukie or Evans, I would sadly have to take Evans AT THE CURRENT STATE OF OUR ROSTER!!! I think Bukie will have a fantastic career, and its good to see that he is going to get a chance to shine. But a 3 point shooter who is known for fantastic defending? Ill take him on the cheap folks in a second
by pinkycheal on Jul 23, 2008 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't
have to choose – you can have both & our roster would be deeper (better is yet to be seen in the post BD era):
Monta – Williams/CJW
Jax – KAz
Maggs – Evans & AR
Al – Wright & Hendrix
AB – Turiaf & Hendrix
Every second string backup would have NBA experience, most with playoff experience
Nelson has flexibility with the top 10 rather than 7-8 due to versatility & depth inside
Marco & Kosta are not listed because they will not provide meaningful depth imo
Even with Evans, we are able to re-sign all our RFAs under the luxury cap
by hardcore on Jul 23, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ps
we are still very very young – Jax, Maggs, and Evans excluded – so the rebuilding is happening unimpeded by the Maggs signing (who’s salary, while GS has to overpay, isn’t impacting the rest of the roster this year as few other FA would be able to match his contributions and we would not have had the $ “saved” under the cap to use later once we re-signed our RFAs).
by hardcore on Jul 23, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ with Marco this season
I think he will be in rotation this season I know it sounds funny but I just have a feeling… but yeah I thought Evans was a great signing and I think it’s more likely to move the other way around that Kaz would play 3 and Evans would play the 2.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree
and if you’re right at season’s end, I’ll also agree I was wrong (and happily) – but until there’s more than a game of SL evidence to go on I’ll base my opinion on what I saw last season …
by hardcore on Jul 23, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright lol
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last Years Orlando Game At Home
Maurice Evans was annoying as hell last year when I went to the Dubs game against Orlando. That guy kept draining 3’s and getting scrappy rebounds all night. I was like, “who is this dude?” Well, now he’s on our team.
Buike would have been great to have back, but I think its better for him to be down in LA Jr. where he will get much more playing time throughout the season than he would have on the Dubs. Its been fun Buike…Adios dude!
by gabezgsw on Jul 23, 2008 8:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good pick up...
I like Mo Evans in the role that Pietrus used to play… off the bench defender who may spark some energy. His rebounding from the 2 spot is suspect… but there is no doubt he is going to be used off the bench… so I don’t mind him at all.
by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 23, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him better than Pietrus in the role of designated defender. Pietrus had the ability to play defense, but he was limited in his overall effectiveness by his propensity to do something stupid at a key time.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him better than Pietrus in the role of designated defender.
You think this guy can bird dog them all game like pietrus did? Evans might be getting a little old for that? If he don’t break down the price was right, makes me wonder why?? I’d still sign BuKaki for depth so Randolf can play in D league then dump Bellinili.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I don’t know if Evans can or can’t be the defensive presence. I’m going only on what I’ve read, that he’s a good athlete who plays good defense. This report suggests he can. At 29/30, he’s likely got a year or two left where he’s going to have the physical abilities and one thing I’ve noticed across the NBA is that players tend to learn defensive skills that don’t rely on being the best athlete in the world. Experience seems to count for something if a guy is interested in learning.
What I’ve seen of Pietrus makes me believe that he isn’t as effective a defensive stopper as some here seem to want him to be. He had the ability to stick with someone, but he also had the ability to foul at the least opportune time. He’s been in the league long enough to make me this that he’s incorrigible in that regard.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you mean with the defense thing...
I believe that Pietrus was one of those players who just was more of an annoyance to other players rather than just actually playing defense… There are numerous players out there that get to be in that “good defenders” box but when you take ‘em all out to play a lot of them are really just players that get inside of other players heads and annoy the crap outta them… Look at Bowen/Horry they’re great defenders even in their old age and they’re not extremely athletic at all…
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coach Carter
Dude, what are we like 10 deep now on the roster for playing time? Is it me or am I the only one that thinks mulson is going old school like Coach Carter. Basically run and run and run with your deep bench and just wear the shit out of the other team. I think we are going to be exciting to watch!
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it would be fun to watch
us run teams of the floor. hopefully nellie’s on board to. he’s the one putting the brakes on these guys by leaving them in all game
by Rach on Jul 23, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans for Pietrus
Basically what has happened is we swapped Evans for Pietrus with the Magic and got Evans at a much more reasonable price. Evans is older then Pietrus but in the games that I have seen Evans play he seems to give it his all every time which is something that I can’t say about Pietrus. If Pietrus would have played with the same intensity that Evans does, I would say Pietrus would have been the player to hold on to but in reality, Evans is our guy.
As long as Evans can manage to keep from stepping on the sideline, I say we got the better end of this deal.
by NBA on Jul 23, 2008 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
im skeptical
whether this is real, but if it is, im dissappointed in mully. i would rather have buike or we could use our cap space to go after j.r. smith.
by thedagger on Jul 23, 2008 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You think JR Smith was available for less than 4 million?
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably dumped
Marcus Camby for that very reason so that they could sign their more desirable players.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, talk about a total makeover....
look how much our team changed from the year we made the playoffs to where we are now:
06-07 Playoff team:
Baron/ Sarunas
Richardson/ Monta/ Bukie
Jackson/ Pietrus/ Barnes
Harrington/ Powell/ Zarko
Andris/ Foyle/ POB
07-08 2 games short of Playoffs:
Baron/ Watson
Monta/ Bukie/ Marco
Jackson/ Pietrus/ Barnes
Harrington/ Croshere/ Wright
Andris/ Kosta/ POB
Present team
Monta/ Williams/ Watson
Jackson/ Evans/ Marco
Maggette/ Randolph
Harrington/ Wright/ Hendix
Andris/ Turiaf/ Kosta
by Spee-D on Jul 23, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the line-ups
i know we all agree that the present line-up is much much deeper. but i can’t help think that it is even as good as the first 2 or better. i mean we lose davis and richardson, but we gain maggette at SF and jax gets to play his true position as SG. ellis gets to shine like he did last year and the bench kicks the shit out of the bench we had the last 2 years.
i know many are going to disagree, but i am still looking at the line-ups and am thinking we don’t look so bad.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Build instead of re-build?
06-07 Playoff team:
Baron/ Sarunas
Richardson/ Monta/ Bukie
Jackson/ Pietrus/ Barnes
Harrington/ Powell/ Zarko
Andris/ Foyle/ POB
08-09 Playoff team
Boom/M.Williams
JRich/Montay
Jax/MoEvans
TMNT/Powell
Dris/Turiaff
Till I get free
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dream on skep
that would make us the highest salary team out there…............LOL. cohan would commit suicide.
by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah NY is retardedly high on the salary... or was... I don't know how well off or how bad off they are now..
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.LOL. cohan would commit suicide.
I could live with that.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you're forgetting that we actually are playing better as every season passes.
Sure we didn’t make the playoffs last season but we did have 5 more wins than the season before that… we’re getting better and people are losing sight of that… it’s too selfish out here you wanna win now and it’s not coming… for a while… were building up to it… you got to have a consistent team who constantly makes the playoffs before actually gaining enough support to actually win one.
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.contracostatimes.com/warriors/ci_9969553
Don’t know if anyone has seen this yet… contra costa times has an article up on the report of signing mo evans… this move has me torn… ugh…
by marvel88 on Jul 23, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There just basically saying they
have seen the same article above.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ball grabber
Is this the same player that grabbed Chris Kaman’s balls in a rebounding scrum underneath the basket (pun intended) during a game. If so he’s a PLAYER.
by goldenballs on Jul 23, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's reggie evans.
I can’t remember what Mo Evans is known for. Other than dropping his career high on us when he was a Laker (then again, who doesn’t?)
by GS fan in Vegas on Jul 23, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope -that's Reggie Evans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFcinlrgojk
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Jul 23, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farewell, Buike...
As solid as a bench player Kelenna was, I think Mo’s game is better, I hate to say it. I’ve seen this kid play throughout his years in the league and he’s instant offense and he boy hustles too.
As far as bench DEPTH, I think the Warriors got better over last year, and we are younger! Its not all about the big names, its how they mesh together and execute. Look at the Pistons Zoo Squad. I wouldn’t consider them big names but they know that they need tomake the most of the minutes they get and they get it done.
So as long as the Dubs new bench players have the same mentaility, who cares if its not Buike-Barnes-Pietrius…we love those guys and we wish them the best but let’s rally around the new boys in town! I’m hyped now. Mully gotta sign Beans and Monta, but I think that should happen any day now.
We Believe!!!
by crossphaded on Jul 23, 2008 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry if this has been repeated
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/
marcus thompson reports that the offer has been made, but mo evans hasn’t taken it. The man wants more money. Buike fans, there is hope!
by GS fan in Vegas on Jul 23, 2008 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally some info
on what is going on. Good find.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mo can’t dribble, Mo can only make shots when he’s wide open and he’s not good at anything else. He’s very mechanical and is not natural basketball player. He is a terrific athlete, but it doesn’t matter because he can’t get to the rim because he can’t dribble.
by Bad Bart on Jul 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at this point i can care less about mo evans here…but if it means sacrificing buike HELL NO…i hope evans wants more money so we can eventually turn the offer back to buike to match the offer…whats the point of an older version of buike just to save a few bucks. I think buike will be WAY better than evans when he reaches 30 anyways…I hate to say i told you so in a few years
by war i are. on Jul 23, 2008 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But
What if Evans takes too long to decide, then we miss out on Buke, then Evans eventually says no, then we lose both.
Put a little mustard on it
by The Barnes Supremacy on Jul 23, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Merc sez warriors signed
The Warriors have signed Evans to a three-year, $6.4 million deal, according to the Riverside Press-Enterprise.
by Psion on Jul 23, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everybody stop linking to secondary linkers
Just because 5 journalists are linking to something one CLIPPERS journalist said to give his readership hope that they’re getting Buke, doesn’t make it any more of a real story. If the Warriors had indeed signed this guy more than 24 hours ago, we’d have seen something on the Warriors website. Stop linking to people linking to people linking to crap.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Everyone read the link by GS fan in Vegas. It says Evans agreed to the deal. Then backed out and demanded more money. So if he won’t decide to take the deal we have on the table by Friday, the Warriors will match Buike’s offer instead.
by The Golden One on Jul 23, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The addition
Of Mo Evans is a decent signing. Azi would have been better, but I can’t say I will be made at Mullin for this pickup. I will not pay a cent more for him though.
I will say this. Any more pickups from the warriors and you can almost garuntee that the warriors will be trying to get rid of Harrington. With the demand to play the young guys and Hendrix strong play as a rebounder. Not to mention AR and BW. It is only a matter of time that Mullin makes a deal to spare Harrington. I would love a sign and trade to send Harrington back to Atlanta for J-smooth. But it seems very unlikely. Harrington will be dealt this season though, i just hope we get good talent in return
by shooter1525 on Jul 23, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep. In fact, with the sheer number of guys being added, you have to wonder if Mullin’s looking to package Al with another player or two for a bigger contract. That could be premature, as we can’t know for sure that they’ll keep Hendrix and Watson, or that they won’t send Randolph to the D-League. But these moves do leave us with a lot of guys.
by onlxn on Jul 23, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
better, baby, better
evans > buike
williams > cj
Turiaf > ? POB? Kosta? harrington banging down low?
Randolph > Pietrus
Maggette < Baron
4 out 5 looks good to me!
Warrior fan for life - where we are "always just a big man away" from total domination
by buttafingas on Jul 23, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget THUD and the hollowed-out shell of Chris Webber.
We probably add 2-3 wins over last season simply by eliminating their 211 minutes of “contribution”...
Sign ^^^^ !!
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 23, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry everybody
I’m tending to a friend’s family situation that has completely surprised the hell out of us.
All I know is what Marcus has reported about the deal not getting done. I have to be honest, I’m not really pushing for more right now with this other stuff going on.
by pree on Jul 23, 2008 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Pree
I hope everything is ok. Best wishes w/ your personal situation.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Jul 23, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why him instead of buike
this is retarded move by the warriors. i would take an extra 1 milllion a year for azubuike over this guy. damn cohan you are cheap as hell. we could have had garnett if you werent so cheap then you throw the same money at brand this offseason. now we lose our best bench player for an extra 1 million. i hate you cohan. let larry ellison buy the team from you cuz u are a disgrace
by montadaboss on Jul 23, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. What a flow of irrational debunked ridiculousness.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Wasn’t the “proposed” Garnett deal Monta, Biedrins, Brandan Wright and Al?
by Eggman on Jul 23, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. The “all problems are because Cohan is cheap” is pretty lame. There are plenty of reasons why Cohan has been a terrible owner. He’s spent money poorly, but he’s spent money. We didn’t get Garnett because Boston had the better package, one we couldn’t beat because of the expiring deals they could include. I don’t think there’s ANYTHING to suggest that Cohan is behind any decision to spend $3mil on Azubuike or not.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was monta, pob, wright, biedrins and 2 first rounders. look at our lineup last season if we did that.
PG Baron Davis
SG Azubuike/Jax(depends on if you want barnes or pietrus at SF with jax here
SF Jax/Barnes/Pietrus
PF Harrington
C Garnett
i would take that
by montadaboss on Jul 23, 2008 8:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i would take that
Who wouldn’t? What was the deal killer again? What coulda made it happen??
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who wouldn’t? What was the deal killer again? What coulda made it happen??
An expiring contract instead of a large, long term one for a good SG/SF. That could have made it happen.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An expiring contract instead of a large, long term one for a good SG/SF.
Could we have just sweetened the pot a bit to make them take the longer term contract?
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Cholesterol stalkin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeten the pot?
No. I don’t think we could have. When a team is rebuilding they want two things: young, cheap talent and/or expiring contracts. They don’t want any gamble that someone else took. They want to take their own gambles.
How much sweeter a pot could we have offered than Biedrins and Monta and pick?
They could have taken Richardson, but that would cut Wright out of the deal since without us trading Richardson, he’s not anything we’ve got. We had Richardson who was not grossly overpaid, but he was certainly overpaid from the perspective of a team in need of everything and wanting the flexibility to go get it. So we traded Richardson for a draft choice, cutting the salary. But this means salaries aren’t even close. Either Richardson or Harrington had to be included in the deal else the numbers just didn’t work. Harrington is overpaid (I’m of the opinion that he’s grossly overpaid) and under-talented (or perhaps just underperforming, but in any event, he’s not close to a $10mil/year player and totally worthless to a rebuilding team looking for cap space).
Could we “sweeten the pot” to entice them to take our load of poor rebounding, zero inside presence facsimile of a forward? We could have included 1 more 1st round pick, to up it to three, but that’s the limits of what the draft rules allow. It means they’d take one more 1st rounder in exchange for delaying the rebuild for another 3 seasons while they waited for Harrington’s contract to dry up and go away.
Here is the simple summary: If Minn valued salary reduction, the deals we could put together were not as good as the deal they wound up taking. This obstacle has nothing to do with Cohan being “cheap” or Mullin being stingy with parts to trade. We simply didn’t have the cards.
by jae on Jul 24, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garnett refused to play the 5
Just saying …
by pree on Jul 24, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the playoffs during his mvp season
he played more point forward than center. a lot more. and that wasn’t because the wolves had an abundance of talented centers. erving johnson and oliver miller were playing the 5 (if memory serves). the man is not a center, doesn’t want to be. still, who says a cheap veteran center wouldn’t have fallen into our laps had he come to town? oh, well.
by cap'n hack on Jul 24, 2008 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I was just referring to the post that has him listed as a center. This year in Boston, he refused to play the 5. Completely and absolutely said he wanted several guys to be able to come in .. so the Celtics were forced to play Davis and Powe there. Stilly, but it is what it is.
by pree on Jul 24, 2008 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's strange too
because it was not uncommon for him to have to d up the other team’s center for most of the game and it’s not as though the offensive strategy would change much if he played the 5. i guess he must really hate the label more than anything. even a guy that is so passionate about the game and seems like he’d suffer any torture for his team has his hangups though. it would be funny if the lineup you originally commented on would remain unchanged, but just switched garnett and harrington. could you imagine the look on harrington’s face when he was told he’d play the 5 and garnett the 4?
by cap'n hack on Jul 24, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he didnt want
to have to work so hard having to gaurd bigger stronger guys.
by Rach on Jul 24, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he didnt want to have to work so hard having to gaurd bigger stronger guys
or maybe he’s not lazy just smart?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL HAHAHA
Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.
by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he did guard centers
a lot. he kind of played a half center half pf type of position, at least on defense. his job was to guard whoever was the bigger offensive threat on the other team’s front line, unless it would leave perkins etc to cover a perimeter player. it didn’t always work out for him, as guys like dwight howard could bully him in the paint, but really, who can’t dwight howard bully in the paint?
by cap'n hack on Jul 24, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and garnett for basically monta, biedrins
garnett would give us 20-25 and 12-14 rebounds with great defense and great low post scorer with good mid range(perfect center for nelson) for monta(i love him but garnett would give us more wins. and biedrins scores on only putbacks, alley oops basically and is a skinny center with good rebounding skills
by montadaboss on Jul 23, 2008 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Better to have a center who scores on putbacks than the center who either a) fails to get the rebound for the putback or b) gets the rebound, but then misses the easy shot and/or turns the ball over before getting the shot off or passing to an open man. There’s many of those players and rather few who can score on the putbacks.
by jae on Jul 23, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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