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You keep asking "WHY?" Well....Here's WHY!

Now, I'm not trying to knock any GSoMer's on here, but I keep hearing people questioning every move we have made this off season, and keep saying this guy or that guy is a horrible acquisition, but I just don't see your reasoning? Don't get me wrong, I love my Dub's and like most homers I get attached to the players. You root for guys like Barnes with his career on the brink of extinction, who all of a sudden resurrects himself to help the Dubs end the 13 year drought, or Azubuike who makes a name for himself in the D-League only to step up in the absence of our beloved J-Rich and become another fan favorite, Pietrus, the crazy/funny Frenchy who we drafted and came w// the hopes of "Air France", I'm not even going to get into the whole Baron debacle.

But here's the bottom line....Baron bolted for the Clips(I don't care who's fault it was),Pietrus wanted a bigger role and signed w/ the Magic, Barnes barely made the rotation last year and is now a Sun, and Azubuike will be joining Baron the LaLa Land.

Aside from Baron, the impact the rest of these guys had on the squad was minimal. Pietrus did a great job trying to become a 4 and rebound/defend for us, Buike did great as a starter for a short while, but just couldn't put it together consistently off the bench(Yeah, we know he was injured, it showed in his lack of hops/mobility), and Barnes, well, he just kind of fell off.

So I want to address all of you who have asked "Why?" This guy or that guy, and how I've heard some say " I don't see how he fits?" I've put together my scouting reports on these guys and compared them to a need for the Warriors or a deficiency that they fill.

Mags: This guys is the NBA equivalent of an up the middle running back, he just gets there. His ability to get to the rim, get fouled and get points from the stripe at 81% is something the Warriors have lacked for a few years now. How many of us sat there and got increasingly frustrated when we would keep throwing up 3's or settling for jumpers when we had a diminishing lead or the opposing team had a big name shot blocker in the paint? Not to mention he shot 45% from the field and 39% from long range last year? This guys 22 ppg will dramatically lessen the loss of Baron points. GREAT pick up, and adds a dimension the Warriors have lacked for quite some time.

Ronny: Lets see, he's described everywhere as a "High Energy" guy who comes off the bench to Rebound, Block Shots, and provide some good Hustle and Defense? Yet some say they don't know why we would pick him up? THIS is a combination of EVERYTHING the Warriors lacked last year. People feel we needed a Low-Post scorer, which on some teams would be essential, but with Nellie Ball, the rock wouldn't slow down enough to get to the post that often. So instead, we pick up another good big, in the mold of Biendrins who can bang with the low-post scorers that dominated us down low in the paint through out last season. At 6'10", 250 Lbs, he's not the "Ideal" 5 spot for teams, but in Nellie's Run-Gun style, you betcha he is.(Don't forget he can hit a 18-19 footer pretty consistently) Another great fit for the team.

Marcus Williams: Ok..coming out of college, everyone had him pegged as the best "Pure PG" in the draft. He hasn't panned out for the Nets. Don't get it twisted, he is NOT J-Kidd. Kidd plays at a whole different pace than we do, the Nets were molded around him. For a young, highly touted PG to fill those shoes? It's a ton of pressure. Watchin him @ UConn, the kid CAN play, he excelled in the open floor, he's got great court vision and handles, he has struggled in the half court set when trying to create a little too much for himself, he would be better suited on a team that can get up and down quickly so he can emphasize his strong points...Oh!...Wait! A team JUST like ours!! This is a gamble, but just like Mike DunNothin was NOT a good fit for our squad, now he's got Indy fans eating out of the palm of his hands, I'm sure the Warriors are hoping he'll be a product of his environment and develop into the PG he was supposed to be. (Oh..he's a 38% 3pt shooter also) So another good move that spells Monta(Yes he'll be a backup) at the 1 spot.

Mo Evans: Why O' Why didn't we just keep Azubuike??? Well, we don't know if we will or not, you can speculate we won't match because of this signing. But either way, it doesn't take away from Evans being a good(cheap) pickup. The guy can play in this league, he's proven it. He's got good D, he's a good athletic scorer w/ hops, can hit the 3 well, his knocks are his handles, so he's better suited for a 3 than a 2, but is under sized for that position on most teams...but NOT Nellie Ball. His game does remind me allot of Azubuike's but his 48%(+4%) from the floor and 39%(+3%) from 3pt land are BETTER than Kelenna's stats last year AND he's cheaper! How is this not a good pick up??

Update: Great to see Azubuike back, a little more expensive than Evans, but good to see the organization bring back a fan favorite.


I know we all root for our guys, and get attached, but people, this is a business, I would be all for beating down Mulson's door if they were just playing pick-up sticks with our roster after Baron bailed, BUT if you take a step back, count to 10 and rub your ear lobes while saying "OOOOSSSSAAA", you'll see that we're adding key pieces that do indeed fit our play style, and in fact, one can argue that the players we picked up, will see a significant improvement to they're production and numbers, while the guys that have decided to bail, will almost certainly see a drop, so goes Nellie Ball

We'll see during the season how things play out, but I believe the subtraction of Baron has jaded some of us, while other have noticed that the sum of the pieces which we have been added have essentially replaced what we'd be missing.

Keep Believing GSoMer's....it's what's gotten us this far in the first place.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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HEY THAT DOES WORK!!!

by hyphy cowboy on Jul 23, 2008 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WE SHOULD JUST HAVE

signed josh smith instead of maggette as our small forward if we were going to pay that much. he has always been a good player on losing teams. he was decent in their playoff run for the clippers a couple years ago but did not really have as much an impact as he should have had. his game actually dropped in the playoffs compared to the regular season

by ADOBO on Jul 24, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

... the difference between a restricted free agent and unrestricted free agent

is that one is hard to sign and one is easy to sign. guess which one’s josh smith.

by dso on Jul 24, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yawn.

Yeah. We should have offered the money to Smith, so he could say, “you’re out of your frakkin’ mind. No, I won’t sign that because ATL will just match and then I’m stuck with it.”

Yawn.

by jae on Jul 24, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I HOPE OUR FAN FAVORITE BUIKE

steps up to the challenge. we do not want him to be like the other fan favorites like dikembe waving a towel around from the bench.

by ADOBO on Jul 24, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But... but... sniff, sniff

I want my BD back!!!! Mommy, the Clippers stole my BD and I want him back! Waaaahhhh…

Good analysis, though leave out the rumored Mo Evans pickup until it actually shows up from real source.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 23, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

we are talking about an NBA organization. They aren’t picking up these guys just for the hell of it. They must have good reasoning. Mully brought in Baron and i loved him for that. Now that mully has brought in these other players, i can’t complain until i see them play for our team.

by Young Moolah on Jul 23, 2008 11:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well said

Lets wait until the season starts ladies!!! I believe we will be better than last year.. Go DUBZ

by cel2k on Jul 23, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just thought I'd throw Mo a bone...

and give the him the benefit of the doubt that he’d join such a great organization.

by esco41510 on Jul 23, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I was actually going to comment on another post how MAGGS, TURIAF and EVANS have done quite a bit on their previous teams, while we get all butthurt that we lose BARNES, PIETRUS and (possibly) BUIKE, who we’ve seen only do SOME good on our team. Too many emotional ties, when in the end we know it’s a business.

Sorry, I intentionally left out BD, because he was/is a tough loss, but he made the decision to leave, regardless of what people say about MULLIN not trying hard enough to keep him or whatever!

Great recap of the NEW WARRIORS!!! We should all be positive about what they can bring, not to mention the talent we already have. The WARRIORS definitely look more balanced now than they did, so hopefully that translates into being more consistent and being able to play NELLIEBALL and the conventional half-court game!

GO WARRIORS!!!

by scottiepimppen on Jul 23, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you for reminding people that it's not mullins fault.

I am tired of people complaining about Mullin.Mullin is OK in my book. people blame him for BD leaving -that’s just silly.

by gsw-fanatic on Jul 24, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude dont you know? back when mullin traded dampier for van exel

who was traded for D.Davis who was then traded for B.Davis and then we signed Dunleavy to too big of a contract as well as murph and jrich but figured o shit jrich is a pretty good player but still not 10 mil worth and then decided to gg JRich and then Davis decided o dang warriors dont care about winning cuz we decided not to keep an overpaid redundant part whose production was matched by a d leaguer and a frenchie and so bdiddy boned out to make a super celtics west on the clippers cuz u know he only joins winning organizations and doesnt stick with loser organizations run by people like mullie except maggette and brand left but still that glaring contradiction doesnt mean anything it’s all mullin’s fault!!!!!!!!!

by dso on Jul 24, 2008 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jamison was traded for Van Exel, not Dampier.

(Shorter sentences really make it more likely that someone will pay attention to what you have to say. I stopped reading after the intro title, inaccurate as it was.)

by jae on Jul 24, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heard of sarcasm, yeah. But it’s one of those things that is often lost on the internet. And with the dumb s$#t that gets posted here, the number of people who can’t be bothered to actually check a fact, the number of people who don’t seem to possess 3rd grade writing skills, it’s usually safe to assume that someone’s being serious and is a moron than to assume sarcasm.

by jae on Jul 25, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im not a moron

but i forgot about jamison for exel instead of damp.

by dso on Jul 25, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but still that glaring contradiction doesnt mean anything it’s all mullin’s fault!!!!!!!!!

Damn right!!!!!

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec from me

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 23, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I know about grownig attached to players too..

but over the years, I’ve really kinda just gotten the gist of the business side. I thought Vonteego would become a great player, along with Chris Porter, and Chris Gatling….but you have to look the team you got, not the individual players you had.

Your right scottie, this is a league that jams to Janet Jackson tune “What have you done for me Lately?”....and those 3 hadn’t done much in that sense.

I hope(and Believe) these moves will pan out.

by esco41510 on Jul 23, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

Nice example!

I think some WARRIORS “fans” 1) have grown too attached to “our” players and 2) not thrilled w/ these acquisitions because they’re not “flashy.”

I hope they will pan out too, but who’s to say that dropping $$$ on 1 player like BRAND or J-SMOOTH would automatically pan out either. We probably would have had 1 very good player, instead of a complement of good players.

by scottiepimppen on Jul 23, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DEPTH being the key word

I believe Mullin wants Nelson to be able to play all of the players he has on the bench and go into a 9 or 10 man rotation. I would not call their revamped roster an improvement over last year.
We lack that superstar that most of the championship caliber teams have with Baron gone. I wouldn’t trust anyone but him to have the ball in his hands down by 1 with 10 seconds left. Hopefully Monta can be that big time player for us.

by Captain Jack on Jul 23, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, yeah, if winning a championship was in our immediate plans, then yes, the recent player moves are a big blow to that goal; we were forming such a foundation between 2005 and 2007 only to see it slowly dissipate starting from the ‘07 draft up to earlier this month.

But as far as staying competitive and building for the long term given our current circumstances, the revamped roster is still a good team and can easily do just as well as this past year’s team. It’s just a matter of everyone getting readjusted for a little bit.

by J-Triumf on Jul 23, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I like your optimism… we need more of that going around here.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts as well

Yep, we’re going to take a hit for a year or two, but my feeling is that when Randolph and Wright are a bit more seasoned, they are going to wreck shop down low.

My only concern/question at this point is Biedrins. I wouldn’t be completely heartbroken if he bolted (!), because of the extra cap space, but I would hope to see us pick up another big man in his absence.

by Gob on Jul 25, 2008 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bs
revamped roster is still a good team and can easily do just as well as this past year’s team.

ignorance is bliss i guess

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Jul 25, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Jack....

Baron’s role will be the hardest thing to replace in the long run…the statistical things like Point,Assists,Steals, can be filled by a number of players. I agree that it’s his intagibiles that made him the “Man”.

The Depth of this newly revamped squad is significantly better, the caliber of the bench players is better, the Starting Lineup has taken a hit. It’ll come down to WHO steps up, if Monta is ready to become the player we all believe he can be, Baron’s departure will be the catalyst of his success. Maybe Wright starts to fill his potential? Maybe we’re seeing the next….no….the only Anthony Randolph???

I think alot of us would gamble on one of them become that superstar….though the odds are always against it. I’m betting on Ellis to come through.

by esco41510 on Jul 23, 2008 12:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

im gonna copy and paste this link

and spam it in Atma’s face when comes back from his hiatus and keeps up his moping-eeyore-bitching spree

by dso on Jul 23, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE IT!

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 23, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bout time...

Thanks. Someone needed to say this. Tired of everyone thinking they are the best GM for our team. Just believe and shut up.

Put a little mustard on it

by The Barnes Supremacy on Jul 23, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly

We are not scouts and we don’t know exactly how the NBA runs so thats why we have management to do it for us and to take the blame even though our management sucks lol

by goldenstatewarriors on Jul 23, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

I think the hater are just the new fans who are not used to our losing or the changes we have gone through the years as a winning or losing team. Some fans come here and see the group that grought them wins and think thats the way to win when in fact there are numerous ways. The bandwagon just complains and spreads the news that as a fan with the changes they are losing hope. while fans post like this keep the true warriors fans going in hopes of helping these wannabe or maybe new fans as better term of becoming one so that this season we can come together in one roof and cheer our warriors regardless who is on or gone in the time.

QUit crying and keep loving your team.

by goldenstatewarriors on Jul 23, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post!!!

I have been following and reading a lot of stuff in here as a guest, but after seeing your post I just have to create an account just to show my support. I couldn’t agree with you more man, you have stated what I wanted to say for the past few weeks. I really don’t get the hate of the recent signings and transactions we had. And IMO, among the 4 players that left us, assuming Buike will, only Baron is not replaceable, the rest are not hard to find replacement. And I truly think that we have gotten better, maybe not a whole lot but at least better. And when the new comers did some good thing in the season, the doubters would become believers, and would say how much they love the new comers, lol.

by Always Believed on Jul 23, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good to see alot you guys agree'in

I do think that the all the guys who constantly complain aren’t any lesser of fans. I just don’t think they see the big picture. Yes, some are bandwagon fans,some are always probably negative and every year think we’re gonna suck. But they just for some reason see thing differently, and I hope this might make them think “Outside THEIR box”. lol

Welcome to the board Always, and man I can’t wait to see Mags first drive w/ the “And 1” mid way through the 4th quarter, after the Warriros lead started to shrink because of so many missed Treys! OR Turiaf’s first time off the bench with a block that starts a fast break that leads to and beautiful cross over and dish from Williams to Evans! LOL

by esco41510 on Jul 23, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

for real dude

i agree many who post here are knowledgeable, and i have learned alot from them. However they do lack the “outside THEIR box” thinking, and their comments soon get triring and old. honestly thx for the post. on another post someone listed the line-ups for the last 2 yrs and this present line up, and i am excited bout the coming year. we look decent but more importantly, we look DEEP.

me is thinking and hoping suns and mavs (new coaches), rockets (injury prone) will not be as good next year and that 45 wins may get us into the playoffs. if this happens than damn we looking good for the next 3 years.

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

don’t 4get denver is rebuilding also.

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the west is sort of in flux right now

i think it would take some lucky breaks, but considering the weakening at the 4-8 spots in the west, the playoffs are not totally out of the question. it all comes down to wright and randolph and of course, the monta-jax point guard situation (assuming they will split ball handling/offense running duties). if those two things go well, this team could be the 7 seed, if they go terribly, the 12. anything can happen this year, so let’s see what these guys can do.

oh, and the suns and mavs have way more issues than just new coaches. questions everywhere on those teams. the suns will need to play an entirely different system because of their aging, injury prone roster, and it’s possible that it doesn’t work out. the kidd experiment failed in dallas. plain and simple. that team looked bad after the trade, and now trot essentially that same team out there this year. even the spurs will need to make some moves to keep in the hunt (not for the playoffs, they’ll definitely be there, for the west title). and you are right about the rockets and nuggets as well.

unfortunately, with the team as constructed, the best we can hope for will earn us a date with the lakers, hornets, or jazz in the first round. it would take another upset of epic proportions to get through any of those teams. but hey, i believe.

by cap'n hack on Jul 23, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More optimism!
it would take another upset of epic proportions to get through any of those teams. but hey, i believe.

Yahoo! Keep ‘em rollin’!

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

I think with this new line up and a little luck, we have the makings of the next NBA dynasty! Stack Jack for MVP! All 5 Warrior starters voted in as Western conference All-Stars! We Believe! We Believe! Hercules! Hurcules!

Too much?

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Jul 24, 2008 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YAHOO!!!

ssmokinjoe get the official

WARRIORS OPTIMISM AWARD!

Congratulations! And the award will be given by The Warriors owner, Chris Cohen!

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the award looked more like this...

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Jul 25, 2008 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t wait to see Mags first drive w/ the "And 1" mid way through the 4th quarter, after the Warriros lead started to shrink

Ha, You forget that Boom was usually the reason we had the leads. If you watched Warriors pre Boom you should appreciate what we lost a lot more, it’s gonna be tough going from the 3rd best point guard in the league to one of the worst.

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol stalkin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 23, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't go as far

to say one of the worst PGs since we haven’t seen Monta full-time at the point yet. But you are right about Boom’s contribution beyond the stats. People see 22 points a game from Mags and they think they are getting an equivalent player. Delusionary.

by misterjennings on Jul 23, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well I really wouldn't go as far as saying that...
People see 22 points a game from Mags and they think they are getting an equivalent player.

I don’t really think people are seeing it that way… I think people are aware enough that Baron was much more than what we supposedly replaced him with… Overall I’m pretty sure that people are actually disappointed that it was only Maggette that we were able to capture in the FA as far as stars if you even consider him one…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops..I meant

“I don’t think….”

by esco41510 on Jul 23, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great piece of writing….said everything i had on my mind about our acquisitions

by bizzy34 on Jul 23, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Phenomenal post!!!!

I am feelin’ this squad, no one star (Monta’s not there yet) just a group of guys who could become a very good, cohesive unit. All working for the betterment of the team. Each pickup fits a need and I think that the fans who are questioning each move are looking for a superstar. What we are assembling is a group of guys each with a specific role who can blend together as a team.

by goldenstatefan on Jul 23, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THANK GOODNESS FOR YOUR POST

Jebus. Instead of complaining, why don’t we see how the team fairs against competition first rather than jumping to “OH GAWD WE SUCK! WHAT IS MULLIN DOING?!.”

by spacedout on Jul 23, 2008 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FTA

that’s one thing i like about mags, and that was one of the big things b-diddy brought to the table. (getting to the ft line)
so, if the playmaking doesnt suffer too much, w’s may be ok.

by tkired on Jul 23, 2008 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Its beacuse the whiners are 18 year olds who have no life, job or season tickets

yet they think they know basketball talent. Most of the posts are just stupid

by smearthebeard on Jul 23, 2008 2:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

honestly.....

most of the whiners are not 18. they are mostly between 30 – 40 yrs with bball being such a big part of thier lives that they think nothing they say is wrong.

i do enjoy the devils advocacy tho but it does get tiring.

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

We should have that age thing we have a while back… Tony.psd you remember that? We had that one post where everyone posted their age and stuff and where they were from if they were away or had moved or whatever? We should do that somewhere… Hell I’ll start it off… I’m 19.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do agree with a lot of this...

EXCEPT. for Mo Evans.

I don’t like the idea of picking up a former Laker cancer in favor of a developing solid role player. All the advantages you say have a little truth in him, but to be honest, I think his shot selection is poor, and I think his concentration in big games is poor. I’ve seen the guy choke multiple times watching Laker games (I go to school in LA, not a lot of Warrior games to watch). And I just don’t think this is a smart move, maybe I’m a little biased in favor of Special K, but I truly believe he will pan out better in both short and long terms than Mo Evans.

by doheezy on Jul 23, 2008 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree with you on the fact that

Kaz will most likely be a better player in the long run but I’m pretty sure that jae had said that we still can keep both of them so it’s not really time to say that it’s over yet…

P.S. All you Anthony Morrow fans… we can still sign that dude at the minimum without going over the cap… In fact we can sign as many league minimums we want without exceeding the 15 player limit if I’m correct.

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still haven't heard anything official about it

I think that means it was made up or didn’t go through

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 24, 2008 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to diffuse your optimism

but the whole “an NBA organization ought to know” rhetoric? i still don’t understand why owners think former players would make good GMs/VPs, you don’t see this in baseball/football. Outside of Warrior’s nation, there are few who think we didn’t severely overpay for Maggs and even Turiaf. Maybe they’re just cutting and pasting, but i’m getting tired of reading the running joke about agents having “shrines dedicated to Chris Mullin”.

although to be honest, i’m a little surprised by all the talk of overpaying for Turiaf by national journalists and on national boards outside of the LA area where they think we got a great bench guy. though having a bunch of Fakers fans tell me how great Turiaf is isn’t exactly comforting.

the whole if you don’t believe then you’re not a real fan talk…...... that sounds like Bush rhetoric… like criticizing the war means you’re “un”American. not trying to offend, just using an example to hopefully convey a point.

i mean, come on, you guys do realize that some of you are whining about the whiners don’t you?

anyway, i’m still going to root for the W’s every game as i always do no matter what i think of their moves. i don’t see anything wrong w/ continuing the debate and when it comes down to the season, rooting for the dubs.

by the evil monkey on Jul 23, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

At least someone is seeing things my way.

Look, I’m glad we got Maggette, he’s a great player. BUT we overpaid for him. I’m glad we got Turiaf, he’s a high energy, legit center. BUT we overpaid for him. Marcus Williams I’m ok with. I’m not high on him (poor FG %, poor assist rate, takes too many shots) but the dubz gave up essentially nothing for him. Mo Evans (if it’s true) I am pretty irate about. They’re essentially signing him instead of re-signing buike. I understand he’s a little cheaper, but I’m very high on Buike and won’t be surprised when he becomes a warriors killer.

All in all, I don’t trust Mullin as much as some of you. I think his overall stay as GM has been so-so. Yeah, he got us back into the playoffs, but he has also done a lot of TERRIBLE things that would’ve handcuffed the franchise if he wasn’t lucky enough to find other worse GMs to pawn all of his problems off to.

I love the warriors, I’m not crying about this season. I’ll continue to support MY team even if they NEVER make the playoffs again. I’m just pointing out some things about Mullin that I have an issue with. Now, I’m just being honest. I have some legitimate criticisms of the way he is running the team. He may know better, but I can honestly say that most of the GSOMers knew that the Dunleavy/Murphy contracts were idiotic. Did he know better then?

Plus, saying that we’re all crying about losing our “favorite” players is absurd. I’ll admit it, I grew attached to BD, but I got over that the day he opted out. I don’t care that Barnes is gone(even though he was the poster boy of our amazing “we believe” season), or that Pietrus is gone. It hurts that BD is gone, but it was the right decision for the team. I am disappointed that Buike is gone, but that’s because I think he’s one of the best available guys out there.

by kinetic on Jul 23, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"overpaid"

It comes down to whether you’d rather have an overpaid Maggette or a fairly paid but significantly worse player, maybe like Childress. Maggette was the best player available, but to get him we had to overpay since there are other teams/cities he’d rather play in. From my understanding after resigning AB and Monta well be over the cap and unable to sign free agents over the MLE. Under this assumption I think it’s great that we got the best guy available, even if we overpaid. If we decline to overpay Maggette and get a cheaper Childress, what exactly are we saving the extra money for?

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Jul 24, 2008 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

JAE makes the same point as me below but he’s smarter than me

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Jul 24, 2008 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

nice one! very very clever!

by nuttinbutnet on Jul 23, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like the real New Edition: Bobby Brown conspicuously absent. :P

by J-Triumf on Jul 23, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this...

I wish we could have webpins again…

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!

Tony Tony… my hero! Although you do have to remove Evans and replace him w/ Marcus Williams.

by Mr. Monday Night on Jul 24, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doheezy, I agree with you, but....

Let me ask you this, you said it yourself, he’s a develping role player, I agree with you, to a point, but at what point does KAz accept his postion as just a bench player, his best moments with us were as a starter at the beggnining of the season, and towards the end when he got extended minutes. It’s a different animal that comes off the bench to contribute. KAz has skills, and he’ll probably end up being better than Mo Evans, very true. But at better numbers for last year, as I listed above, and cheaper? How could the organization really pay more for Azubuike? I guy who’s gonna be better and eventually want more and more of a role on a team developing Monta,Bellinelli,Randolph,Wright? I just think we had to part ways with him, and in doing so, we pretty much replaced him with a comparable refurbished part. lol

And Monkey,
Your point is well made, but later I posted how I didn’t feel the people who complain are not fans(see above)they just don’t see it same way. Hell, it’s part of being a true fan to not always agree w/ the managment 100% of the time, after all they want our money, not our friendship or trust. Most organizations know that when it come down to it, complain all you want, if your a fan, you’ll be around, and you’ll come to the games. It’s inevitable. I know I’ve one of those people.

As for the $$$ figures on each player, that’s a toss up, I don’t number crunch enough to really get into the “we paid too much convo”, I’m lookin @ it from a player to team aspect. And I like what they’ve done.

All in all, I’m glad you guys don’t all see it my way, if that was the case, what the hell would we talk about on GSoM? lol….I just wanted to give some people some thoughts on why I feel we shouldn’t be worried too much. And why I feel we made some of these moves/decisions were warranted.

by esco41510 on Jul 23, 2008 5:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh...

VERY nice Tony! I know your excited to have the new faces around to play with!

by esco41510 on Jul 23, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

great post. you just said exactly what i’ve been thinking the last few weeks and more .. all that i agree with. Huge props on “being sick watching everyone jack up 3s” and the whole tidbit about Maggette. Huge props on your thoughts on turiaf. The man is an absolute beast, he is huge and he is mobile and he is aggressive. Both of these players i have wanted in a dubs uni for a year or two. Marcus Williams, solid, i see some potential there. we should have done something like this last year instead of signing troy hudson and then trying to bring up a D-leaguer. Evans very solid as well i believe.

While some love Barnes and Buike and how they have shown moments of being good, imo they are what they are: a journeyman and an undrafted D-leaguer. Neither are huge losses. good guys decent players, Buike still has a chance at being good but im probably slightly biased against him ever since Option Zero claimed that Buike is better than JRich

by Agent Zero on Jul 23, 2008 5:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No, reality check please.

I’m glad there’s so much optimism, and I hope I’m wrong about the next two seasons, but I don’t think Mullin’s use of cap space was very smart at all. It takes a critical mind to point out how badly the Warriors have failed again this off season. After 14 seasons of futility, we were on a rising slope back to a playoff team, led by Baron, the only difference-maker next to Ellis. Was Mags that important a need to fill? Did you have to outbid and overpay for him by $15M? After Baron’s departure, we had a huge $18M gap to play with. There’s no way the Clippers re-signed Mags after his constant conflict with Dun Sr. I don’t think he’s a difference-maker. JSmooth, Deng, AI2, maybe Okafor are. And, as it turned out, we took our selves out of the running for those players by signing Corey.

Maggette is not an All Star, and Turiaf is not a certified “Beast.” Has anyone looked at his rebounding numbers? He doesn’t pass nor shoot from the perimeter. Will Nellie play him? Croshere can hit the 3 and boards better. At least Ronny can block shots and play defense, but I fear he’s a lane-clogger not a playmaker.

At least we picked up a PG that likes to create shots in MWill. I don’t think of Mo as a defender, wasn’t that his problem with the Pistons, Lakers and Magic? He seems to be a selfish scorer, much like CM and MWill. Will this team have chemistry? Leadership?

The worst part, is that we’re not really set up well to compete in the 2010 Free Agent sweepstakes. So, we better hope that Nellie plays the rooks and that we can find another difference-maker in AR, BW, or in a complete shocker, MB.

"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Jul 23, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you have to outbid and overpay for him by $15M?

Probably, if they wanted to get him, they did have to give him that price. There wasn’t another unrestricted FA anywhere close to as productive as him. The cap room wasn’t going to roll over to next year as Biedrins and Monta are going to have bigger deals, so it was a spend it or lose it situation. I’m open to the possibility that the money could have been spent in better ways, but in abstract, that’s meaningless. Who else was out there? What were the better ways to spend the money? Hypothetical offers for restricted free agents ignore a reality: for a restricted free agent, you’re probably going to have to over pay. Are Smith, Iggy, and Okafor better long term prospects than Maggs? Yeah, probably. But they’re more expensive, they AREN’T perfect players either (Smith really needs to learn some shot discipline for starters) and aren’t necessarily going to bring more wins next season. They would be more expensive though IF we could even outbid their current teams.

Maggette is not an All Star, and Turiaf is not a certified "Beast."

Maggette is a very productive player, a good rebounder for his position and an extremely efficient scorer. “All Star” is in large part a popularity contest. Maggette’s a good player. There are a number of “all stars” who do not help their team win as much, but for some reason, have received most favored nation status from the All Star hype voters.

Turiaf is a backup center, a very average player, commanding a salary below the NBA average. World changer? Probably not. But value for the dollar. He does have a reasonable mid range jumper for a big and he’s shown he can pass in the triangle offense. Will Nellie play him? Who knows, but people have to get past the false premise that Nellie desires nothing but three point bombers and only plays guys who are 3 point bombers.

The worst part, is that we’re not really set up well to compete in the 2010 Free Agent sweepstakes.

Probably true, though it’s tough to see what sort of move were available that would change that. The Warriors may have room in two years, but much can happen in the mean time. The only way to be sure that we’d have space would be to ignore more or less everything, scrap the who squad and tank 2 seasons.

by jae on Jul 23, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now THAT is a reality check. Thanks for that, Jae.

by J-Triumf on Jul 23, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But... I want a championship NOW!!!!

Now Mully. I’m gonna throw a tantrum if you don’t give me one NOOWWWWW!!!!

MULLLLLLYYYYY!!!

+99999

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jul 24, 2008 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

tantrum…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScA7PhDJPJE

you mean this kind of tantrum?

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Jul 24, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or more like this kind of tantrum!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBmo-M_4BTc

LOL HAHAHAHAHA this is how I am with my obsession with GSoM!

Stop crying about it alright?!?! GO MULLIN.

by jeppalepala on Jul 24, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't want to win, boston?

enjoy your feast of mediocrity. the warriors need a vision statement. i submit that their team is a mess, a crowded one at that. that ain’t a tantrum. recent history shows you need to assemble an all star team or play awesome team d in order to win. are we going to do it with a relentless slashing offense that plays at 100MPH for 48 minutes? mags to the foul line is NOT consistent with that type of play.

"We're Menudo," -BB

by eshock on Jul 24, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mags to the foul line is NOT consistent with that type of play.

He’s been working on quick pitching them.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jul 24, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

needed to be said

thanks for giving a new perspective some light in the fanposts. people have been arguing a lot of those points in response to the other, whinier posts, but you really laid it out there in one good piece. i’m getting sick of 50% of fanposts lamenting another 13 years without a playoff appearance. it’s not that bad people, in fact, you can’t say that any team in the nba is likely to miss the playoffs for the next 13 seasons. that’s an unlucky rarity and the warriors are in better shape than most teams for a few years down the road. don’t worry about it, this team is going to be good. soon.

by cap'n hack on Jul 23, 2008 8:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh come on. can you really compare buike to barnes? barnes was the biggest disappointment, especially after how well he did in the playoffs. azubuike is always improving. you can’t compare buike’s stats with mo evans’ stats. the guy had knee tendonitis and is working hard this summer. watch, he’s gonna be a breakout star. all i hope is that maurice evans asks for more money and then they’ll just resign kelenna. kelenna’s 6 years younger; he can only improve, even if its just a little bit. evans is almost 30. he’s AGING and BREAKINGDOWN

by goldenstatelove on Jul 23, 2008 9:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All good pickups in light of who's leaving

I really don’t understand all the commotion over Corey Maggette, or Jason Richardson for that matter (similar player after all), being “overpaid”. With the numbers they put up, I’d say their salaries are just about right; it’s not like they’re getting Shaq or Garnett money.

I wish Azubuike and Barnes would stay; Azubuike is only beginning to develop and Barnes, despite disappointing in ‘08, is capable of showing hustle without requiring too much money. But in light of their absences we’re getting a solid starter in Maggette and three guys who can do well off the bench and fit into our team. Of note is that we’ve replaced one goofy French reserve with another. ;)

Repeating myself from another topic: I definitely believe everyone’s negative reactions are due to fan favorites suddenly leaving within a short time period, so I agree with your assertion of the Davis departure making everyone jaded. I’m just as sad to see certain key players go, but if they can be replaced and our remaining stars continue to do their thing while being properly supported, I can’t remain mad for too long.

It’s only a matter of waiting for the season to begin now; only one way to find out what went right or wrong!

by J-Triumf on Jul 23, 2008 10:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Of note is that we’ve replaced one goofy French reserve with another. ;)

The replacement has the potential to be goofier… but more valuable.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Jul 23, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the post, but...

the wheels come off your reasoning at the very end… How can you say with a straight face that the sum of what was lost has been replaced? Its possible with Pietrus, Barnes, and Bukie, but Baron? Absolutely not. Baron was the leader of the team on and off the court, he brought the identity the attitude the swaggar. Period.

Monta does not have the same leadership presence, and Jax may have that but doesn’t have the physical gifts that Baron does. And nobody on the team has the end-game brilliance. Statwise, maybe the numbers have been replaced but there are no stats for what Baron did for this team. Indeed, with Baron the whole of the team was greater than the sum of its parts. Now, not so much…

I know that there is nothing that can be done now, and a lot of people are upset and venting. GSW will probably still be fun to watch and even if they aren’t, we’ll all watch anyway, as always. But the situation is what it is and the team is worse without Baron. Its ok to acknowledge it.

by in for life on Jul 23, 2008 11:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not fair to not give Monta a chance

Ellis is young and deserves a shot at being the star of this team… and with Jackson still around the young one has a good teacher to fall back on. Monta has been improving at a significant rate in his first three years in the league; he’s gonna keep things together for the fourth.

People fear the unknown. It’s okay to acknowledge that. ;)

by J-Triumf on Jul 23, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YA BUT

sometimes you need to take a step back in order to move forward, and this is a classic case of the W’s doing just that. Baron cant be replaced, but in order to move forward it was necessary.

by bigshotbob05 on Jul 24, 2008 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

Monta is spectacular, and is going to be the star of the team, Baron or not… So far though, he hasn’t show the presence of a leader and I hope that develops this year. But its not something that you really GIVE someone, a true leader with TAKE that and everyone knows when it happens. It’ll be pretty obvious whether its gonna happen this year or not…

But please, lets not pretend this is what GSW wanted for this year. They got caught with their pants down and now they’re in damage control. Yes Baron lied, but Mully knew he wasn’t offering what Baron wanted and should have seen this coming…

by in for life on Jul 24, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Losing Boom Dizzle

definitely puts the squad in a hole, but I believe it was a much needed move. With BD’s departure, the young guns now have a chance to show what they got. I wanna see what Marco can do. I wanna see what B-Wright can do for 30+ min. Let’s get Ant Randy out there. They were all first round draft picks, let’s see them prove themselves. I don’t know exactly with all the financial stuff, but if Diddy would have tendered his $17+ mil option year, resigning M-8-E and AB probably would have been more difficult. I also think a full season of Nellieball for Baron was a bit too much (ex. the Phoenix game). He shined during the 07 Playoffs, but it was after missing a month due to injuries and coming back at the right time to end the season 9-1. His presence is definitely game changing, but only when he’s healthy. Will he log 82 games again? I doubt it. Besides, Baron is already involved in his post-NBA career. We all know Nellie’s reluctancy towards rooks, but if this upcoming season makes him go bald, so be it.

by SuperFly on Jul 24, 2008 12:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

in for life.....

I am speaking in strictly a statistical matter. I go on to say in a later post(see above) that Baron had the intagibiles that made him the “Man” But hopefully someone will step up to fill those needs on the team. Maybe one of the youngsters will emerge and get tha swagger that BD had?

by esco41510 on Jul 24, 2008 9:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK

I gotcha, it just seems like if any of the youngsters are gonna give us swagger they are gonna need another year or two to be ready for it… But if/when it happens it’ll be obvious. For now, it looks like Monta is the best player, and Jax is gonna be the real leader.

Maybe as the season progresses Monta will grow into the role, we have certainly already seen that he is capable of making huge leaps in maturity and in the quality of his game over a short period of time…

by in for life on Jul 24, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good points esco...

But that’s assuming that the projects we have are going to pan out, i.e. Belinelli, Wright, and Randolph; for all we know we could have Maggs and Kaz switching minutes every game because these rooks still don’t know wassup in real games. I’m just saying, I don’t think that letting Kaz go (for the amount of money he’s costing RIGHT NOW) is good basketball sense. And, like I said, I’ll be honest, I don’t like Mo Evans. Stats wise he might pan out, but I just don’t think he’ll be a good presence on the court, and I don’t think he’ll give us even half of the value that Kaz will. He didn’t show me much as a Laker or as a Magic, whereas Kaz has impressed me with some dominating offensive games and that lock down D he had against Kobe. Both players are imperfect, but one of em’ has the chance to develop, the other is a former cancer. We’ll have cap room to spare if we match for Kaz, I just think cutting into it more by signing Mo Evans isn’t smart.

But who knows? I’m not Mullin. Maybe he sees something that I don’t, and who knows? Maybe we’ll actually get a spot in the playoffs with our motley crew, who expected it last time we made it to the dance?

by doheezy on Jul 24, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Get over Losing Baron?

I still have not gotten over losing Bernard King (we got nothing for him by the way). This sadly reminds me of losing Webber, although he was much younger which makes it much worse. Again, I think Nellie did not like him. I will be happy when Nellie leaves. Yes Nellie got us into the playoffs, but I wish he would stress defense. I got sad every time I see us give up a layup, which happens way too much. All this talk about Baron being a cancer (see Mullin’s comments yesterday) I am not buying. I followed Baron closely since UCLA and I have never seen anything like that. I will always love my team, but they screwed up again. Playoffs are a very long shot. I think Mully should have saved his money and built for the future, but that would have landed him in really hot water. If we would have landed Brand we would be in great shape. Screw him for not wanting to come to they Bay, but would you if you were in his place?

by There in '75 on Jul 24, 2008 2:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

woah

mullin refered to baron as a cancer…?

...?

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Jul 25, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

Even if you argue Nellie is one our problems, he is at the bottom of the list of problems. Aside from LA, Boston, and Detroit most teams aren’t great defensively…

This is like when all the people were saying the Giants had to get rid of Bonds before moving on… Well is anyone happy about that now?? It totally escapes me why people think the Giants couldn’t build around Bonds. They weren’t losing because of Bonds, they were losing in spite of him. The same analogy can be made with GSW and Baron or Nellie. Baron is gone and we’re worse for it, and if Nellie leave, its gonna be worse still. Especially with this group that is geared for speed and scoring…

by in for life on Jul 24, 2008 8:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Reality check

We had to overpay Maggette, lucky dude. I’m not sure Ronny would have chosen us, otherwise. Their signings gave us the semblance of possibility to overcome our image as an organization. Which was not good. Yes, people like playing Nellieball, The Rouracle is great. But one playoff spot in decades was not a draw. And Magette will be considered underpaid in a couple of years. Monta is a superstar. This team will cause a tremendous amounts of deflections. We often won last year by taking many more shots than the opposition. Imagine this year when we can rebound. Imagine our zone defense with two legitamate big men picking up those DR’s, instead of the other team’s OR’s and put backs. With the exception of the game in NO, BD had become lethargic. It was hard to know if he would show up. Part of that was the nonexistant bench, but not all. Having KA and Cap’t. Jack not having to be the one’s who fill the 4, will improve them on both ends of the court. Stephen Jackson is the key, and it is HIS team this year. He can teach BW how to know where his man is when he watches the ball, as he did with Monta last year (along with our great assistant coaches-a major Nellie draw). SJ can take this team to the playoffs (If there really is an AB/Santa Claus). If SJ looks around and sees very good players at all the positions, playing their positions (all starters on almost every other club{sans their stars]), the old twinkle will come back. Watch out! The experience of the coming year will be great fun for the younguns, but will really get us all high on visions of the future/sugarplums. All but SJ &AH are ours for three years! 2def 4KA. There will be a lot of sharing. Where last year we became a nongrowing team in Jan.(some injuries), this year we will end like Baron’s first year.

by allis1ne on Jul 26, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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